seeing as how i’m an extreme leftist that falls somewhere between libertarian and democrat… i do realize that my post is not unbiased — strictly because i have beliefs, as all people do.

and although we all fall to it at some point, hysteria is the WRONG way to approach people with conflicting world views. no one listens to hysterical christians except other hysterical christians, no one listens to hysterical right-wingers except other hysterical right-wingers, and no one is going to listen to a hysterical leftist renegade except other hysterical leftist renegades.

you don’t change people’s minds by alienating and abusing them…

CHRISTIANITY + 9/11 + TAX BREAKS = FOUNDATIONAL PILLARS of the BUSH REGIME

These 3 belief systems are INTIMATELY RELATED: roughly 50% OF America voted for second term bush due to their beliefs regarding religion, terrorism, or taxes.

If only the entire lower class knew who was getting the real tax breaks…

The most powerful quality that a human being has that any other animal on earth has is the ability to reason. Do not waste this gift. Do not become lazy and accept things exactly the way they are presented to you. Use your logic, it would be a terrible waste to do otherwise. Look at the facts, question authority, give a damn!

On the subject of religeon being presented in Zeitgeist (part 1), I think it makes a large amount of veiwers with strong religeous beleifs either turn the movie off or discredit the rest of the movie. I think the most important issues are in part 2 and 3, and they should have been presented seperately from part 1 so that people with strong beleifs are able to analyze the information in the right light. I am an atheist, yet I think it would be more important to educate people about the issues at hand in parts 2 and 3.

As the saying goes, “Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” Look at what has happened in history, it CAN happen again, it WILL happen again if people do not take the initiative to seek the truth.

The US is already provoking Iran and staging to immitate the war in Iraq. Fact: Iran stopped their nuclear program in 2003. Why is our leadership still insisting we need to do something about them? Find the facts, they might not be in your daily newspaper or the nightly news. The truth takes digging. Find the truth and use your reason. We WILL be in Iran in the very near future if we do not do something. We have to stop our leadership NOW.

It lends itself to be scoffed at.. pity as the message is so important. If something this diabolical is indeed on the go.. then don’t detract from the gravity of it with blatant obnoxious shock tactics.. Keep thinking..

http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/1212.html

My answer is MONEY – to get a job for higher salary. The piece of paper from US college means better job, more money. How do I know? Because I am one of them.

Why did those foreign students kill people on the campus? The pressure from the of their parents’ expectation which is instilled in their minds and it becomes their drive. It drives them crazy. The killers were the smartest students. They are the victim of the monetary system.

The

“It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”

More like…

“That being said, It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth, but find out for themselves, for truth is not told, it is realized.”

Not exactly a sentence you can just cut off with a “…” Tsk tsk!

I found your review to be dismissive and a bit smug. However I do agree with you on one point–the three “parts” of this film really do a disservice to each other. Especially the debunking of religion in the beginning. Although I myself am familiar with the information that he presented and find it to be well documented and quite valid, this section unnecessarily causes potentially millions of viewers to leave the room before they ever get to the most important messages at the heart of the film. Considering that this film aims to “wake up” the world to the fact that we are being herded like sheep, why lose 90% of your audience by denouncing their life long beliefs right off the bat? That was preachy in it’s own non-religious way. A truly fundamental error in delivery. Just to show Zeitgeist to friends and family I will have to edit off the front of the movie! Sure, some of them are pretty hard headed and some are closed minded, but is it not true that such people MUST be the very people that this film is attempting to illuminate? An immense and almost unbelievable oversight on the part of the films creator.

Also, commenting that there is nothing much new in the film is really seeing the glass half full. The fact is that it is a very nice bringing together of quite a lot of information from a diverse, varied, and plentiful array of sources. Sure, I’ve run across most of this stuff over the years, but having it all in one place and presented in movie form is really quite sweet. If polished up and edited a bit, it could be a great tool for introducing those millions of Americans who don’t read or think much, who don’t surf the net looking for answers, and who are dumbed down and turned off, to some important matters of truth and looming threats to our rights and liberties.

Peace

Nobody in this blog seem to be better than the guys in the movie, because at least they have given me some book names to double check their info, wether most of the people in this blog havent giving me a single reference to prove me that what they are saying is more valid.

Therefore from an academic point of view:

PLEASE IF YOU THINK YOUR OPINION WORTH MORE THAN

THE ONE IN ZEITGEIST GIVE ME YOUR REFERENCE OR

SHUT THE FUCK UP, OTHERWISE ITS A WASTE OF TIME,

WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE YOU? BECAUSE YOU SAID SO?

REFERENCE,REFERENCE,REFERENCE YOUR OPINION

(PREFERIBLY WITH ACADEMIC BOOKS)

HOW TO REFERENCE:

Name of the author/s, year of publication, title of the piece of work, Number of edition, pages where it cites the subject, place of printing, publisher and a web link (if they have it)

Obviously!!! in some cases you may not be able to complete the whole reference procedure but at least give me something!

OR DO YOU EXPECT ME TO BELIEVE YOU AS MY GRANDMUM BELIEVES EVERYTHING THE PRIEST SAYS.

TOOO SAAAAD, NOT VERY PROFESSIONAL.

I will be back as soon I have something else I am able to back up with reference.

Thanks to all, PEGASUS

Note: If you notice some ortographic mistakes is because english is not my mother language.

The point is, Intellectual Quotient is where the ego rules. Emotional Quotient is where the heart and soul resides. I prefer the later.
That’s probably why the movie had no end credits.

When murder takes place in any city in the country, the first thing the police do is “tape off” the murder site with yellow tape so that everything in it remains untouched, this way they can do a proper investigation. When 3000-plus people were murdered on 911, somehow the normal investigation protocol was tossed out the window. A formal investigation has never been done which might reveal who done it. Instead the debris from the twin towers was swept away as fast as possible. It was a foregone conclusion from the beginning that Osama Bin Lauden and the terrorists did it. This is a Conspiracy Theory. One could argue that, if nothing else, George Bush and the media and other government officials who promote this theory are conspiracy theorists to the max. One could also state that since it a theory, their tale of what happened, which they promote, is really propaganda.

Unfortunately, the story of Jesus Christ is also Conspiracy Theory. It states that a man who claimed to be the “son of God,” and could walk on water, was murdered in cold blood at the request of Jewish elders (conspiracy). There’s no concrete proof that this event ever took place (theory). It could have been a misinterpretation or even fiction. We’ll never know the truth as to what took place over 2000 years ago, from a factual historical perspective.

Has Jay. Kinney investigated if Christ really lived and was murdered as stated in the bible? Has he investigated to see if Bin Lauden and the terrorists were responsible solely for 911 with the same critical eye that he apparently used to “review” the Zeitgeist film? I doubt it. But he should, because these two incidents are also just theories.

As with the JFK shooting, we’ll never who was responsible for 911. Zeitgeist presented alternative facts that do not align with President Bush’s Conspiracy Theory that the American government has been promoting, which, since it is only a theory, can be deemed propaganda just as easily as Zeitgeist can.

The film invites you to ‘join the dots’ as the title ‘Zeitgeist’ informs.

(Look up and research the meaning of the word ‘Zeitgeist’, dig deeper than ‘wikipedia’ at least follow up the links)

HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IS A ‘GUERILLA FILM’ IF YOU ARE UNAWARE OF THE FILM’S SOURCE?

Jay K, have you here fallen on your own sword? For what we currently know about the production this film might have even been made by ‘Main Stream Media’ attempting to future hijack the ‘conspirators emerging position of power’ as the ‘wacky / loony theories’ become evidenced truths that are taking hold within the public domain. Could this film be a prelude to the announcement of National Economic Security and Reformation Act (NESRA Research digging deep if you have not come across this yet).

What makes me suspicious of this film is it’s seemingly authority in denying Jesus Christ in the flesh, some may consider this to be a / part of / the Anti-Christ. Has the true Christian faith been hijacked (see blog #22) to here be completely denied?

Research Jesus Christ’s possible real birth date (some evidence purports to 11/09/03 bc http://www.garone.net/tony/themaster.html).

CAN ANYONE THROW LIGHT ON THE MAKERS OF THIS FILM?

Some say people need to do their homework…but they’ve taken the time to do it for you.

the moral of both?

don’t believe everything you hear and except everything as truth.

Reading the reactions to this film and the review has left me sad. It confirms the fact that most of you think your so much smarter than the ‘average’ dope because you can ‘log-on’ and watch a movie, and then browse the web…how many of you actually read books? For that matter, challenging books? Stop reading off the internet and looking to the internet for your understanding of the world. Ever since the internet, everybody thinks they now know all about the world and how we are manipulated, and how everybody else is an idiot–except of course for you, because you do ‘research’, ha, joke, you people have no idea what ‘research’ is. Have any of you heard of post-structuralism? Have any of you ever read Derrida, Foucault, Deleuze, Kristeva, Bhabha, Spivak, Cixous…probably not, you all probably think Chomsky, with his pathetic structural and universalistic, teleological and naturalising arguments is a god. Guess what, watching this movie, and reading your pathetic blog sites does make you understand anything, trust me, you all have a hell of a lot more ‘waking up’ to do.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/sunsofgod.htm

YOU WILL FIND A FREE ACCESS TO ALL THE REFERENCE OF THE BOOK FOR YOU TO READ, OK???

ALSO, SOME CHAPTERS OF THE BOOK ARE FREE FOR YOU TO ENJOY AND LEARN!

IMPORTANT, LEARN HOW A PROPER RESEARCH IS DONE, IF YOU HAVE DIFFERENT EVIDENCE AFTER YOU HAVE CHECKED THE ONES OF THE BOOK I WOULD SUGGEST YOU TO E-MAIL THE AUTHOR BECAUSE MAY BE YOU HAVE FOUND SOMETHING SHE DIDNT. THIS IS CALLED COOPERATION. DO NOT BE AFRAID TO SHARE KNWOLEDGE, IT IS THE WAY OF PROGRESS.

GOOD BOYS, NOW GO BACK TO YOUR SUPER RESEARCH.

Thanks to all, PEGASUS

One problem with arguing with your type is that you present this broad “everything” is false. I cannot address you on every point across a broad spectrum of paranoid delusion. Take ONE popular example; 911 had to be controled explosions becuase jet fuel cannot melt steel. OK, nevermind that steel loses 50% of its structuaral integreity at 1300 degrees, well within the heat range of the 911 plane crash. You do not have to melt steel, just compromise its ability to not warp. But, in your simple mind the “fact” that it cannot melt short of 2800 degrees or more is “proof” of some grand conspiracy. Sorry, but quantity of lame brain BS does not make up for the fact that it is BS, just more of it.

I have to stop, but keep thinking America.

Based on what is said in “Addendum” about the internet, and some comments above:

Instead of, or in addition to, making a documentary… MAKE AN EDUCATIONAL WEBSITE! The site should include extremely detailed links and sources. Not only that, it should illustrate connections. Animations, pictures, short films, interaction, biographies, historical accounts… anything, as long as it reflects history in the truest way possible. Each topic could be presented as a “case” or “argument”, containing a premise or thesis supported by substantial sources.

It could very well be a wikipedia-type site, doesn’t really matter as long as the information is there.

The website should fill in all of the gaps not explained in the films, as there are plenty of them.

If I had to give the Zeitgeist a grade, I’d probably hover around B-/C+. The negatives include the mish-mosh nature of the first film (wildly different subjects, veerrry loosely connected), the gaps of information, the lack of meaningful organization and progression through a series of topics, spiritual hoo-hah toward the end, and the lack of positive solutions. The “conspiracy theory” edge should also be toned down, it is not necessary at all. The information should stand on its own.

I do like how the narrator repeatedly references a central topic through each section, to sort of link back to the basic premise. It’s just that the whole thing falls short of “epic” in terms of production quality and depth.

I wouldn’t mind a 10-hour documentary broken into 5 extremely fleshed out parts. This type of documentary can’t afford to cut corners.