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		<title>By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden/Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-5888</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa Nielsen Hayden/Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anonymous #135:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Unbelievable, just 6 years after terrorists hijacked ordinary planes from ordinary airports, and killed thousands of ordinary people like yourselves on an ordinary day and you already forgot. Do me a favor, take the train, God forbid you are inconvenienced.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;Oh yeah? Where were you on the day? Because I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; tired of having 9/11 thrown in my face, and being told We Must Never Forget It, when, thank you very much, there is no chance in hell of my ever forgetting it.

I&#039;m even more tired of being told that because 9/11 happened, we have to give up all hope of normal law and normal civil rights &lt;i&gt;and be grateful for it,&lt;/i&gt; because we aren&#039;t stupid, and we know that what&#039;s happening to us isn&#039;t doing squat to make us or anyone else safer.

Anonymous #190, I&#039;ve got to agree with Mister Boy, #193: freedom to travel is a right. Besides, what&#039;s next after not flying? If they put up checkpoints on the roads, do we struggle cross-country on foot? If they build intrusive surveillance into the tubes, do we go back to running off our little manifestos and newsletters on mimeograph?

That&#039;s a brilliant strategy you&#039;ve got there: cede the fast, powerful, effective travel methods and the fast-moving jobs to the people who think oppression is okay, while we encumber ourselves with with the poky old time-intensive ones. It&#039;s a great way to work for change, you betcha.

Freedom to travel. We used to have it. Now we have a system where our ability to travel is contingent on the whims of an ill-conceived badly-run wholly unaccountable federal bureaucracy. Its front-line workers aren&#039;t a highly trained corps with good leadership and a strong sense of mission. They&#039;re whoever got scooped up when George &amp; Co. decided to create the TSA, and they know it. On top of that, they&#039;ve got power without accountability, and there&#039;s nothing more corrupting.

So don&#039;t tell me that the freedom to travel isn&#039;t a basic right, and that I ought to sit home and languidly signal my displeasure by depriving the airlines of my travel dollars. They won&#039;t even notice, and it&#039;ll do SFA toward getting our freedoms back.

Anonymous #189, I&#039;d say you have the right of it. We go along with this crap because we have no idea what will happen if we don&#039;t. Are we risking a half-hour&#039;s unpleasantness, a cancelled trip, a week and a half in the bowels of the TSA&#039;s terrorist assessment system, or years in prison without a trial or an attorney? We might fight back more often if we could judge the tradeoff, but we can&#039;t.

I liked your last bit about the TSA workers and how they&#039;re treated. You&#039;re right, of course; they&#039;re taught to suspect everyone, and they&#039;re put in a position where everyone regards them with fear and loathing. You do that to anyone and they&#039;ll take revenge in a thousand little ways.</description>
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<blockquote><i>Unbelievable, just 6 years after terrorists hijacked ordinary planes from ordinary airports, and killed thousands of ordinary people like yourselves on an ordinary day and you already forgot. Do me a favor, take the train, God forbid you are inconvenienced.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yeah? Where were you on the day? Because I&#8217;m <i>real</i> tired of having 9/11 thrown in my face, and being told We Must Never Forget It, when, thank you very much, there is no chance in hell of my ever forgetting it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m even more tired of being told that because 9/11 happened, we have to give up all hope of normal law and normal civil rights <i>and be grateful for it,</i> because we aren&#8217;t stupid, and we know that what&#8217;s happening to us isn&#8217;t doing squat to make us or anyone else safer.</p>
<p>Anonymous #190, I&#8217;ve got to agree with Mister Boy, #193: freedom to travel is a right. Besides, what&#8217;s next after not flying? If they put up checkpoints on the roads, do we struggle cross-country on foot? If they build intrusive surveillance into the tubes, do we go back to running off our little manifestos and newsletters on mimeograph?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a brilliant strategy you&#8217;ve got there: cede the fast, powerful, effective travel methods and the fast-moving jobs to the people who think oppression is okay, while we encumber ourselves with with the poky old time-intensive ones. It&#8217;s a great way to work for change, you betcha.</p>
<p>Freedom to travel. We used to have it. Now we have a system where our ability to travel is contingent on the whims of an ill-conceived badly-run wholly unaccountable federal bureaucracy. Its front-line workers aren&#8217;t a highly trained corps with good leadership and a strong sense of mission. They&#8217;re whoever got scooped up when George &#038; Co. decided to create the TSA, and they know it. On top of that, they&#8217;ve got power without accountability, and there&#8217;s nothing more corrupting.</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t tell me that the freedom to travel isn&#8217;t a basic right, and that I ought to sit home and languidly signal my displeasure by depriving the airlines of my travel dollars. They won&#8217;t even notice, and it&#8217;ll do SFA toward getting our freedoms back.</p>
<p>Anonymous #189, I&#8217;d say you have the right of it. We go along with this crap because we have no idea what will happen if we don&#8217;t. Are we risking a half-hour&#8217;s unpleasantness, a cancelled trip, a week and a half in the bowels of the TSA&#8217;s terrorist assessment system, or years in prison without a trial or an attorney? We might fight back more often if we could judge the tradeoff, but we can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>I liked your last bit about the TSA workers and how they&#8217;re treated. You&#8217;re right, of course; they&#8217;re taught to suspect everyone, and they&#8217;re put in a position where everyone regards them with fear and loathing. You do that to anyone and they&#8217;ll take revenge in a thousand little ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1794</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>two words: security theater.

i have no good stories but i did want to comment that LAX TSA has become noticeably more surly and cranky over the past year. they used to be reasonably polite (considering their job function) but no longer. i wonder if it&#039;s because of the purported higher volume of travel or maybe a new boss. maybe they&#039;ve realized that their jobs are stupid and meaningless and are collectively in the middle of a existential crisis (unlikely).

igvig, i&#039;d be interested to hear your thoughts, as i too frequently fly in and out of southwest&#039;s terminal so my comments are based upon my experiences there.</description>
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<p>i have no good stories but i did want to comment that LAX TSA has become noticeably more surly and cranky over the past year. they used to be reasonably polite (considering their job function) but no longer. i wonder if it&#8217;s because of the purported higher volume of travel or maybe a new boss. maybe they&#8217;ve realized that their jobs are stupid and meaningless and are collectively in the middle of a existential crisis (unlikely).</p>
<p>igvig, i&#8217;d be interested to hear your thoughts, as i too frequently fly in and out of southwest&#8217;s terminal so my comments are based upon my experiences there.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1283</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This exact thing happened to me early April in the Tom Bradley terminal @ LAX. Roughly 22:30.

Flex JFK to LAX and transferred from terminal 4 for my international connection. Walking past the security checkpoint on the sterile side - it&#039;s roughly opposite where the bus drops you - and one of the TSA operators screams &quot;STOP! DO NOT MOVE!&quot;

A good dozen more TSA guys materialize out of nowhere and I get to play statues with 20 or so people from my bus, and everyone in the queue for security. 

There was no explanation - in fact we were forbidden from talking.

After about 5 mins some shouts &quot;CLEAR!&quot; and everyone gets back to business.

As you said - surreal.

-Cam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This exact thing happened to me early April in the Tom Bradley terminal @ LAX. Roughly 22:30.</p>
<p>Flex JFK to LAX and transferred from terminal 4 for my international connection. Walking past the security checkpoint on the sterile side &#8211; it&#8217;s roughly opposite where the bus drops you &#8211; and one of the TSA operators screams &#8220;STOP! DO NOT MOVE!&#8221;</p>
<p>A good dozen more TSA guys materialize out of nowhere and I get to play statues with 20 or so people from my bus, and everyone in the queue for security. </p>
<p>There was no explanation &#8211; in fact we were forbidden from talking.</p>
<p>After about 5 mins some shouts &#8220;CLEAR!&#8221; and everyone gets back to business.</p>
<p>As you said &#8211; surreal.</p>
<p>-Cam.</p>
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		<title>By: Sidehike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1795</link>
		<dc:creator>Sidehike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He didn&#039;t say &quot;Simon says FREEZE&quot; did he? No? Geez Xeni, you totally could have kept walking!</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1284</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s high time more citizens learned to say those three simple words &quot;kiss my ass&quot;.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1796</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Sounds like the TSA is &#039;conditioning&#039; US public to obey orders at any time.

Heh. I&#039;d agree, and it sounds like it&#039;s working quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Sounds like the TSA is &#8216;conditioning&#8217; US public to obey orders at any time.</p>
<p>Heh. I&#8217;d agree, and it sounds like it&#8217;s working quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Power trip.  Too much authority and self-importance.

It&#039;s now clear that once you step into an airport you are no longer a US citizen and have no rights - and they&#039;re not going to let you forget it.

I can&#039;t think of a better way to promote rail travel, can you?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Power trip.  Too much authority and self-importance.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s now clear that once you step into an airport you are no longer a US citizen and have no rights &#8211; and they&#8217;re not going to let you forget it.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think of a better way to promote rail travel, can you?</p>
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		<title>By: marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xeni, you just described exactly what happened to me at LAX in December on the way to Oahu. We didn&#039;t get an explanation; they just kept yelling &quot;freeze.&quot; 

I was already running late for a flight because my travel partner was pulled aside for a special security check in that consisted of them barely looking at her passport (from the Netherlands) and stamping her boarding pass after making us wait in an hour-long line. 

Since we were running late, I picked up her bags after they&#039;d gone through the X-ray, since she was busy being frisked and having powder rubbed on her shoes. Since I had touched her bags, they had to go through the X-ray machine a second time ... in case I had somehow slipped something in even though a TSA person had been watching me the whole time.

If weren&#039;t in danger of missing our flight (which we miraculously made), I would have asked for an explanation. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xeni, you just described exactly what happened to me at LAX in December on the way to Oahu. We didn&#8217;t get an explanation; they just kept yelling &#8220;freeze.&#8221; </p>
<p>I was already running late for a flight because my travel partner was pulled aside for a special security check in that consisted of them barely looking at her passport (from the Netherlands) and stamping her boarding pass after making us wait in an hour-long line. </p>
<p>Since we were running late, I picked up her bags after they&#8217;d gone through the X-ray, since she was busy being frisked and having powder rubbed on her shoes. Since I had touched her bags, they had to go through the X-ray machine a second time &#8230; in case I had somehow slipped something in even though a TSA person had been watching me the whole time.</p>
<p>If weren&#8217;t in danger of missing our flight (which we miraculously made), I would have asked for an explanation. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-2056</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hypothesis: flow control? The actual interceptors for a security check are farther away, perhaps out to the parking lot or elsewhere in the pathway people take from plane to security to baggage to next-destination. 

By playing &#039;freeze tag&#039; with a mass of people near baggage-claim, they remove/reduce the pressure of people claiming taxis, etc. ... reduces the chances of missing the actual person they want to follow, detain, etc.?

Just a hypothesis, and probably gives TSA more forethought than they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hypothesis: flow control? The actual interceptors for a security check are farther away, perhaps out to the parking lot or elsewhere in the pathway people take from plane to security to baggage to next-destination. </p>
<p>By playing &#8216;freeze tag&#8217; with a mass of people near baggage-claim, they remove/reduce the pressure of people claiming taxis, etc. &#8230; reduces the chances of missing the actual person they want to follow, detain, etc.?</p>
<p>Just a hypothesis, and probably gives TSA more forethought than they deserve.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Flying Squid-- I&#039;ve had my car searched a few times at Burbank, but not regularly, and not for at least 6 mos. OTOH the security checkpoint was back at the LAX entrance when I was there a couple days ago, to my surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Flying Squid&#8211; I&#8217;ve had my car searched a few times at Burbank, but not regularly, and not for at least 6 mos. OTOH the security checkpoint was back at the LAX entrance when I was there a couple days ago, to my surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted to agree with the Canadian earlier. I&#039;m English and there&#039;s no way I&#039;m ever visiting America even for work. No job is worth that shit.

I wonder do Americans still think they&#039;re &quot;free&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted to agree with the Canadian earlier. I&#8217;m English and there&#8217;s no way I&#8217;m ever visiting America even for work. No job is worth that shit.</p>
<p>I wonder do Americans still think they&#8217;re &#8220;free&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Aughr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aughr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That happened to me at LAX a few months ago while going through security.

After it happened, we were told it was just a drill.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That happened to me at LAX a few months ago while going through security.</p>
<p>After it happened, we were told it was just a drill.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a German citizen means that occasionally people walk up to me and ask something like &quot;How come you guys didn&#039;t overthrow the Nazis back then?&quot;

Well, now you know what it&#039;s like. While they can&#039;t yet shoot you on the spot for no good reason, there is a whole world of pain that TSA can bring upon you, both short term and long term. Of course, nobody objects. No one wants their cavaties searched, be sued, or have their right to fly revoked. Imagine what the compliance level will be once people start to disappear (not there yet, but could happen eventually).

And that&#039;s how it works. Not because the Hitlers of this world make crazy rules. Totalitarianism works not only because mean-spirited people like to work for organizations like the Gestapo or the TSA. It works because everybody else has a lot to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a German citizen means that occasionally people walk up to me and ask something like &#8220;How come you guys didn&#8217;t overthrow the Nazis back then?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, now you know what it&#8217;s like. While they can&#8217;t yet shoot you on the spot for no good reason, there is a whole world of pain that TSA can bring upon you, both short term and long term. Of course, nobody objects. No one wants their cavaties searched, be sued, or have their right to fly revoked. Imagine what the compliance level will be once people start to disappear (not there yet, but could happen eventually).</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s how it works. Not because the Hitlers of this world make crazy rules. Totalitarianism works not only because mean-spirited people like to work for organizations like the Gestapo or the TSA. It works because everybody else has a lot to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1291</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless they are arresting you, they shouldn&#039;t be able to detain you.  Any lawyers out there?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1547</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say we need a new meme for responding to the &#039;TSA FREEZE&#039; orders.
&lt;UL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt; How about everyone lay on the floor spread eagle, maybe making imaginary snow angles
&lt;LI&gt; We could all start singing, few choices there macerana, YMCA, of course with hand gestures or maybe just something like America the Beautiful.
&lt;LI&gt; We could slowly all begin to strip, that would be good it anyone asks why just tell them its always good to be prepared.
&lt;LI&gt; There is always Break dancing or a good Pop and Lock routine in place.
&lt;LI&gt; How about a game of Marco Polo with no one moving
&lt;/UL&gt;

Basically we need a flash crowed that is waiting to happen and let the TSA trigger it, I figure come holiday time with all the college kids on flights there will be a few chances for a good display.&lt;br&gt;

I guess we can always just plugin the head phones at all times and ignore the commands.  If an ipod is a get out of freeze tag free card then I will have one surgically implanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say we need a new meme for responding to the &#8216;TSA FREEZE&#8217; orders.</p>
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<li> How about everyone lay on the floor spread eagle, maybe making imaginary snow angles
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<li> We could all start singing, few choices there macerana, YMCA, of course with hand gestures or maybe just something like America the Beautiful.
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<li> We could slowly all begin to strip, that would be good it anyone asks why just tell them its always good to be prepared.
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<li> There is always Break dancing or a good Pop and Lock routine in place.
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<li> How about a game of Marco Polo with no one moving
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<p>Basically we need a flash crowed that is waiting to happen and let the TSA trigger it, I figure come holiday time with all the college kids on flights there will be a few chances for a good display.</p>
<p>I guess we can always just plugin the head phones at all times and ignore the commands.  If an ipod is a get out of freeze tag free card then I will have one surgically implanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you seen this article on TSA agent horrors?  http://www.reason.com/news/show/29034.html
I also had a run-in with the LA TSA.  They were just insanely aggressive for no good reason.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen this article on TSA agent horrors?  <a href="http://www.reason.com/news/show/29034.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.reason.com/news/show/29034.html</a><br />
I also had a run-in with the LA TSA.  They were just insanely aggressive for no good reason.  </p>
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		<title>By: Xeni Jardin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1292</link>
		<dc:creator>Xeni Jardin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, wow. Didn&#039;t realize this procedure was so common. I think what really felt so surreal here was the duration -- half an hour, man.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-5388</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TSA is ridiculous, but come on... Power trips happen everywhere and in &lt;b&gt;every country&lt;/b&gt;!!! Night club security, police, customs, government officials, bureaucratic officials... Most of supervisors do that! So, don&#039;t give me this I-am-so-happy-I-don&#039;t-have-to-visit-USA crap...It happens everywhere and every day...

One advice: When something like that happens, just pretend it doesn&#039;t bother you...It undermines their ego... If you try to be a hero, it will only excite them more...Psychology 101... 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TSA is ridiculous, but come on&#8230; Power trips happen everywhere and in <b>every country</b>!!! Night club security, police, customs, government officials, bureaucratic officials&#8230; Most of supervisors do that! So, don&#8217;t give me this I-am-so-happy-I-don&#8217;t-have-to-visit-USA crap&#8230;It happens everywhere and every day&#8230;</p>
<p>One advice: When something like that happens, just pretend it doesn&#8217;t bother you&#8230;It undermines their ego&#8230; If you try to be a hero, it will only excite them more&#8230;Psychology 101&#8230; </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1294</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to remember . . . when we played freeze tag as kids, was there a &quot;jail&quot;? What happened to the kids who didn&#039;t stay frozen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to remember . . . when we played freeze tag as kids, was there a &#8220;jail&#8221;? What happened to the kids who didn&#8217;t stay frozen?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1807</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conditioning has worked. We&#039;re scared to speak up, we&#039;re scared to speak out, and we&#039;re scared to disobey orders no matter how absurd, no matter how wrong, and no matter who the orders come from.

Why are we scared? Because we know that even the most minor functionary has the ability to punish us in a wide variety of ways. In an airport, any TSA employee can threaten you, seize any of your property, detain you, force you to miss your flight, or have you arrested. And that&#039;s nothing compared to what a police officer can do. We know that we keep our liberty only at their discretion, so we don&#039;t want to take the risk of making trouble for ourselves by disagreeing or disobeying.

On a day-to-day level, it doesn&#039;t matter what our Constitutional rights are. It doesn&#039;t even matter that many TSA employees and cops are decent people. On a day-to-day level, what matters is that we know there are a lot of people who have the ability to punish us, that the punishment is arbitrary and unpredictable, and that we don&#039;t know whether the particular TSA employee or cop we are facing is a decent person or even rational.

And the result is a cowed population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conditioning has worked. We&#8217;re scared to speak up, we&#8217;re scared to speak out, and we&#8217;re scared to disobey orders no matter how absurd, no matter how wrong, and no matter who the orders come from.</p>
<p>Why are we scared? Because we know that even the most minor functionary has the ability to punish us in a wide variety of ways. In an airport, any TSA employee can threaten you, seize any of your property, detain you, force you to miss your flight, or have you arrested. And that&#8217;s nothing compared to what a police officer can do. We know that we keep our liberty only at their discretion, so we don&#8217;t want to take the risk of making trouble for ourselves by disagreeing or disobeying.</p>
<p>On a day-to-day level, it doesn&#8217;t matter what our Constitutional rights are. It doesn&#8217;t even matter that many TSA employees and cops are decent people. On a day-to-day level, what matters is that we know there are a lot of people who have the ability to punish us, that the punishment is arbitrary and unpredictable, and that we don&#8217;t know whether the particular TSA employee or cop we are facing is a decent person or even rational.</p>
<p>And the result is a cowed population.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1297</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did people miss their flights, or were all the flights delayed in the terminal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did people miss their flights, or were all the flights delayed in the terminal?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1809</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It doesn&#039;t matter why they stopped you.  The point is, didn&#039;t it make you feel safer!  (read with intense sarcasm).</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1810</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that facial recognition software from a security camera got a &quot;hit&quot;, but rather than detaining one person they just froze the whole group while somebody did a manual comparison against watch lists. After they made a determination they let everybody go and can grab the suspect later if required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that facial recognition software from a security camera got a &#8220;hit&#8221;, but rather than detaining one person they just froze the whole group while somebody did a manual comparison against watch lists. After they made a determination they let everybody go and can grab the suspect later if required.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1299</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, why didn&#039;t anybody sit down? are they gonna arrest the entire goddamned plane full of people for being tired? I wonder what the law requires, actually, in terms of obeying these people. Most of the screeners do not look like they are trained in law enforcement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, why didn&#8217;t anybody sit down? are they gonna arrest the entire goddamned plane full of people for being tired? I wonder what the law requires, actually, in terms of obeying these people. Most of the screeners do not look like they are trained in law enforcement.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1556</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This same thing happened to me last year in Orange County. There were a lot of coded conversations on walkie talkies for a few minutes, and then it was back to normal. The TSA folks I asked about it had nothing enlightening to say at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This same thing happened to me last year in Orange County. There were a lot of coded conversations on walkie talkies for a few minutes, and then it was back to normal. The TSA folks I asked about it had nothing enlightening to say at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1559</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very important, in these situations, to offer the following reasonable exchange:

5 Minutes:
Explain you have been on a long flight and need the bathroom. This will probably be denied.

10 Minutes:
Give fair warning that you are in great urinary distress. Again, this will probably ignored.

15 Minutes:
Whip it out and piss on the floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very important, in these situations, to offer the following reasonable exchange:</p>
<p>5 Minutes:<br />
Explain you have been on a long flight and need the bathroom. This will probably be denied.</p>
<p>10 Minutes:<br />
Give fair warning that you are in great urinary distress. Again, this will probably ignored.</p>
<p>15 Minutes:<br />
Whip it out and piss on the floor.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-2071</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t been anywhere near Canada or a Canadian airport for some time, but this makes me wonder what conditions there are like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been anywhere near Canada or a Canadian airport for some time, but this makes me wonder what conditions there are like.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1817</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a TSA tactical effort to try to make it clear to people/potential &quot;bad guys&quot; (I have my definition; insert yours here) that they&#039;re &quot;there&quot;, and ready to pounce on anyone (culpable or otherwise), at any moment, for any reason or none at all.

It&#039;s purely a message they&#039;re sending, and even though we can all agree that the TSA is bumblefrekked out the ying-whazoo, what the hell else can they do?

We normal, &quot;just want to get from here to there&quot; folks unfortunately get caught up in the bumble-shmegma that is their tactics.

Sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a TSA tactical effort to try to make it clear to people/potential &#8220;bad guys&#8221; (I have my definition; insert yours here) that they&#8217;re &#8220;there&#8221;, and ready to pounce on anyone (culpable or otherwise), at any moment, for any reason or none at all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s purely a message they&#8217;re sending, and even though we can all agree that the TSA is bumblefrekked out the ying-whazoo, what the hell else can they do?</p>
<p>We normal, &#8220;just want to get from here to there&#8221; folks unfortunately get caught up in the bumble-shmegma that is their tactics.</p>
<p>Sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1306</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This proves it; the terrorists have won.

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		<title>By: Magian</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/08/29/moment-of-tsa-surrea.html#comment-1563</link>
		<dc:creator>Magian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As other posters have mentioned, this is just another example of what Bruce Schneier calls &quot;Security Theater&quot;.  The idea that it may also be some form of planned conditioning is very frightening...almost as frightening as the fact that  there is no real dissent from everyday Americans.
Have we all become such sheep?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As other posters have mentioned, this is just another example of what Bruce Schneier calls &#8220;Security Theater&#8221;.  The idea that it may also be some form of planned conditioning is very frightening&#8230;almost as frightening as the fact that  there is no real dissent from everyday Americans.<br />
Have we all become such sheep?</p>
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