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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-17408</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point wasn&#039;t that it was unbreakable -- the point was that now it&#039;s potentially illegal under the DMCA to interface with an iPod, because you have to break the hash to load your own music onto it. Given that Apple has already used the DMCA to threaten competitors who interfaced with the iPod without permission, and now that it has built a stronger case for a DMCA suit, what do you think that competitors&#039; legal departments and investors will say when someone proposes making alternative iPod software -- say, something that loads the DRM-free Universal tracks from Amazon straight onto your iPod?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point wasn&#8217;t that it was unbreakable &#8212; the point was that now it&#8217;s potentially illegal under the DMCA to interface with an iPod, because you have to break the hash to load your own music onto it. Given that Apple has already used the DMCA to threaten competitors who interfaced with the iPod without permission, and now that it has built a stronger case for a DMCA suit, what do you think that competitors&#8217; legal departments and investors will say when someone proposes making alternative iPod software &#8212; say, something that loads the DRM-free Universal tracks from Amazon straight onto your iPod?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16390</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d just like to comment on the &quot;Apple had to break Microsoft&#039;s file-formats to give Numbers, Pages and Keynote the ability to read Office files -- they&#039;re enthusiastic participants in &quot;adversarial compatibility.&quot;&quot; part.

They had to do no such thing. When Jobs returned to Apple he negotiated a new deal with MS. This to stop the numerous lawsuites between them (Quicktime vs wmf being the biggest). This was the 150 Million non voting shares deal. A part of that deal was access to the microsoft source code. The deal was for 10 years, it has since lapsed. But the information on the file format hasn&#039;t really changed the last couple of years, and thats why they can read and write MS files.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d just like to comment on the &#8220;Apple had to break Microsoft&#8217;s file-formats to give Numbers, Pages and Keynote the ability to read Office files &#8212; they&#8217;re enthusiastic participants in &#8220;adversarial compatibility.&#8221;" part.</p>
<p>They had to do no such thing. When Jobs returned to Apple he negotiated a new deal with MS. This to stop the numerous lawsuites between them (Quicktime vs wmf being the biggest). This was the 150 Million non voting shares deal. A part of that deal was access to the microsoft source code. The deal was for 10 years, it has since lapsed. But the information on the file format hasn&#8217;t really changed the last couple of years, and thats why they can read and write MS files.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Weiss</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15880</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah!  Wait a minute!

The only thing that is clear to me when reading the article you linked is that the format of the iTunes database on the iPod has changed.

While it *looks* like it might be a cryptographic signature, that has not yet been confirmed.

Have you attempted to contact Apple for comment?

Seems like that would be the reasonable thing to do before publishing a scathing artcle based on an unconfirmed claim on a blog as well read as yours is...  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah!  Wait a minute!</p>
<p>The only thing that is clear to me when reading the article you linked is that the format of the iTunes database on the iPod has changed.</p>
<p>While it *looks* like it might be a cryptographic signature, that has not yet been confirmed.</p>
<p>Have you attempted to contact Apple for comment?</p>
<p>Seems like that would be the reasonable thing to do before publishing a scathing artcle based on an unconfirmed claim on a blog as well read as yours is&#8230;  </p>
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		<title>By: carmen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15883</link>
		<dc:creator>carmen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>firmware updates that slowly break old ipods? proabbly not intentional, more like shifting all testing resources over to the newest gen product, right away.

certainly felt that way with my g3 after 8.1. it just got worse and worse until i had to switch to debian by the time OSX came out..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>firmware updates that slowly break old ipods? proabbly not intentional, more like shifting all testing resources over to the newest gen product, right away.</p>
<p>certainly felt that way with my g3 after 8.1. it just got worse and worse until i had to switch to debian by the time OSX came out..</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Campos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15884</link>
		<dc:creator>Marco Campos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess I&#039;ll have to buy Cowon or SanDisk... Thanks Apple!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess I&#8217;ll have to buy Cowon or SanDisk&#8230; Thanks Apple!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16399</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re still not clear on this, but it seems that if this is a lock-out, it isn&#039;t limiting to just Linux users. Our product runs on Windows, OSX, or Linux and adds extra functionality to iPods (it&#039;s not meant to replace iTunes) by allowing users to connect their iPods to any computer and download their podcasts without having to install any software.

Obviously out tech will never ship loaded on iPods as it does with iRiver, Cowan, and soon Coby, but we&#039;ve always felt that giving the owner of an iPod the choice to use myPodder, iTunes, or both (they do work together) was a good thing. After all, the podcast content is free. I guess Apple has a different point of view.




Russell S. Holliman
Founder, CEO
Podcast Ready, Inc.
russell@podcastready.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re still not clear on this, but it seems that if this is a lock-out, it isn&#8217;t limiting to just Linux users. Our product runs on Windows, OSX, or Linux and adds extra functionality to iPods (it&#8217;s not meant to replace iTunes) by allowing users to connect their iPods to any computer and download their podcasts without having to install any software.</p>
<p>Obviously out tech will never ship loaded on iPods as it does with iRiver, Cowan, and soon Coby, but we&#8217;ve always felt that giving the owner of an iPod the choice to use myPodder, iTunes, or both (they do work together) was a good thing. After all, the podcast content is free. I guess Apple has a different point of view.</p>
<p>Russell S. Holliman<br />
Founder, CEO<br />
Podcast Ready, Inc.<br />
<a href="mailto:russell@podcastready.com">russell@podcastready.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Draconum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15890</link>
		<dc:creator>Draconum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not suprised. Apple&#039;s a pretty terrible company if you ask me. They grab anyone and everyone by the balls if they can do it. Media industry, consumers, etc.

That&#039;s all just business, of course. Microsoft and the other guys all do that too, BUT....

Apple hides behind Jobs&#039; smiling face, and come off looking like friendly hipsters in the process to everyone in general. At least nobody generally has any false visions of decency when it comes to Microsoft.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not suprised. Apple&#8217;s a pretty terrible company if you ask me. They grab anyone and everyone by the balls if they can do it. Media industry, consumers, etc.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all just business, of course. Microsoft and the other guys all do that too, BUT&#8230;.</p>
<p>Apple hides behind Jobs&#8217; smiling face, and come off looking like friendly hipsters in the process to everyone in general. At least nobody generally has any false visions of decency when it comes to Microsoft.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Armbruster</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16659</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Armbruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Japan and think you should all be impressed by that.  The preceding comment is only slightly more pointless than anyone complaining that something else doesn&#039;t work in Linux.  Virtually nothing does, without hours of fiddling.  That&#039;s its appeal.  

Rather than whining, I am shocked the Linux community isn&#039;t elated by this new piece of counterculture cred, as well as something else to crack in order to open a tenth of its features, claim success, and say the other stuff is just for idiots anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Japan and think you should all be impressed by that.  The preceding comment is only slightly more pointless than anyone complaining that something else doesn&#8217;t work in Linux.  Virtually nothing does, without hours of fiddling.  That&#8217;s its appeal.  </p>
<p>Rather than whining, I am shocked the Linux community isn&#8217;t elated by this new piece of counterculture cred, as well as something else to crack in order to open a tenth of its features, claim success, and say the other stuff is just for idiots anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16919</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory I&#039;m a big fan and I&#039;m solidly on the side of free and open. In fact I&#039;m so idealistic (and want to fight the man so bad) that I&#039;m studying IP law in the hopes of being able to make a difference.

Having said all that: what is with this hardon you have for painting Apple as public enemy #1 lately? With all the hoopla about them charging an extra 99Â¢ to convert an iTunes song into a ringtone, I don&#039;t see anyone pointing out that this is still cheaper than every other carrier&#039;s ringtones ... or that theirs is the only direct-to-handset download service that doesn&#039;t charge a premium per track over their regular internet download rates. And what about the line in the sand they&#039;ve drawn on video download pricing?

To be sure, Apple is a business and not a charity. But among tech firms of their size and influence I can&#039;t think of any whose policies are more consumer-friendly. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory I&#8217;m a big fan and I&#8217;m solidly on the side of free and open. In fact I&#8217;m so idealistic (and want to fight the man so bad) that I&#8217;m studying IP law in the hopes of being able to make a difference.</p>
<p>Having said all that: what is with this hardon you have for painting Apple as public enemy #1 lately? With all the hoopla about them charging an extra 99Â¢ to convert an iTunes song into a ringtone, I don&#8217;t see anyone pointing out that this is still cheaper than every other carrier&#8217;s ringtones &#8230; or that theirs is the only direct-to-handset download service that doesn&#8217;t charge a premium per track over their regular internet download rates. And what about the line in the sand they&#8217;ve drawn on video download pricing?</p>
<p>To be sure, Apple is a business and not a charity. But among tech firms of their size and influence I can&#8217;t think of any whose policies are more consumer-friendly. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-493847</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I didn&#039;t know Apple were this monopoly orientated!
I was thinking about getting an iPhone, but I guess that might be a bad idea since it looks like when you buy one apple produce you need to purchase one of their computers too. 
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I didn&#8217;t know Apple were this monopoly orientated!<br />
I was thinking about getting an iPhone, but I guess that might be a bad idea since it looks like when you buy one apple produce you need to purchase one of their computers too. </p>
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		<title>By: 54N71460</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15897</link>
		<dc:creator>54N71460</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is outrageous! Apple-alling! Seems all the success went to their (His) head. 
But don&#039;t worry, I&#039;m sure the nerds are going to work it out preety soon.
Thanks in adance, geeks. 
BTW, I have a second rate -er- generation iPod, with a new battery, and it&#039;s just fine. I mean the thing is suposed to play music, you geeks, not to be looked upon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is outrageous! Apple-alling! Seems all the success went to their (His) head.<br />
But don&#8217;t worry, I&#8217;m sure the nerds are going to work it out preety soon.<br />
Thanks in adance, geeks.<br />
BTW, I have a second rate -er- generation iPod, with a new battery, and it&#8217;s just fine. I mean the thing is suposed to play music, you geeks, not to be looked upon.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15907</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam Weiss

Looking around the web it indeed looks like more than just the format of the iTunes database was changed.  Certainly we appreciate accuracy in BB&#039;s postings but we also enjoy hearing the latest developments quickly.  There is a trade-off in how quickly something can be reported and how much time can be spent researching it.  I think the editors here do an excellent job maintaining this balance.  

However, in one instance that I can think of, Cory has spent an unusual amount of time researching a promised post, namely his much anticipated and long-overdue treatise on switching to Ubuntu.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam Weiss</p>
<p>Looking around the web it indeed looks like more than just the format of the iTunes database was changed.  Certainly we appreciate accuracy in BB&#8217;s postings but we also enjoy hearing the latest developments quickly.  There is a trade-off in how quickly something can be reported and how much time can be spent researching it.  I think the editors here do an excellent job maintaining this balance.  </p>
<p>However, in one instance that I can think of, Cory has spent an unusual amount of time researching a promised post, namely his much anticipated and long-overdue treatise on switching to Ubuntu.     </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16420</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have loaded the OpenSource Rockbox firmware on my iPod.  It plays FLAC, ogg, wavpack, ALAC[!], &amp; mp3 (amongst other file types).  You can always revert back to Apple, if you need to. You should look into it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Of course it works with Linux.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.rockbox.org&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have loaded the OpenSource Rockbox firmware on my iPod.  It plays FLAC, ogg, wavpack, ALAC[!], &#038; mp3 (amongst other file types).  You can always revert back to Apple, if you need to. You should look into it.</p>
<p>Of course it works with Linux.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rockbox.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.rockbox.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Armbruster</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16933</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Armbruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory: Not anymore! Hah!

And I&#039;m with Woolie.  I do a Linux install at least once a year to see if it&#039;s usable yet.  It&#039;s not, unless all you do is browse the web, read email, and type in Open Office (okay, okay, or host THE INTERNET).  

The last time I found that it was still a mess (video drivers--Not too keen on a 19&quot; monitor running at 640x480), I got a Mac. It works.  In a world where the other options are Vista and Linux, that&#039;s unfortunately saying a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory: Not anymore! Hah!</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m with Woolie.  I do a Linux install at least once a year to see if it&#8217;s usable yet.  It&#8217;s not, unless all you do is browse the web, read email, and type in Open Office (okay, okay, or host THE INTERNET).  </p>
<p>The last time I found that it was still a mess (video drivers&#8211;Not too keen on a 19&#8243; monitor running at 640&#215;480), I got a Mac. It works.  In a world where the other options are Vista and Linux, that&#8217;s unfortunately saying a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15911</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got a Sandisk e250 (note, _not_ e250R, _not_ c250) and loaded RockBox, a Free Software replacement for its firmware, and boy does it rock!  The e250 comes with 2G of flash; the e260 has 4G, and both have a microSD slot that lets you add more, as well as swap libraries in and out.  This seems like a better value than the iPods, now.

Note that loading RockBox doesn&#039;t wipe out the original firmware; you can run it either way any time.  Also, when you do load it, be sure to start by switching to a different &quot;theme&quot;.  You&#039;ll need to download and install it.  I suggest using &quot;Sansa e200&quot;, at least to start with.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a Sandisk e250 (note, _not_ e250R, _not_ c250) and loaded RockBox, a Free Software replacement for its firmware, and boy does it rock!  The e250 comes with 2G of flash; the e260 has 4G, and both have a microSD slot that lets you add more, as well as swap libraries in and out.  This seems like a better value than the iPods, now.</p>
<p>Note that loading RockBox doesn&#8217;t wipe out the original firmware; you can run it either way any time.  Also, when you do load it, be sure to start by switching to a different &#8220;theme&#8221;.  You&#8217;ll need to download and install it.  I suggest using &#8220;Sansa e200&#8243;, at least to start with.  </p>
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		<title>By: Yaotl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15912</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaotl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is this any different than when the first ipods came out?  It isn&#039;t like Apple ever had a version of iTunes for Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is this any different than when the first ipods came out?  It isn&#8217;t like Apple ever had a version of iTunes for Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: LightningCrash</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16941</link>
		<dc:creator>LightningCrash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will just be a matter of time before the developers figure out how to make the Linux apps work with the new-gen iPods.

Kyle, I think a Mac suits you well. Your Linux problems are most certainly due to IO errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will just be a matter of time before the developers figure out how to make the Linux apps work with the new-gen iPods.</p>
<p>Kyle, I think a Mac suits you well. Your Linux problems are most certainly due to IO errors.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16435</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m posting on behalf of a blind friend of mine who was hoping to be able to use open source software to access his iPod.  Since Apple do not provide any access software for iPods this is a further blow to the visually impaired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m posting on behalf of a blind friend of mine who was hoping to be able to use open source software to access his iPod.  Since Apple do not provide any access software for iPods this is a further blow to the visually impaired.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-21050</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iPod Rocks, but the firmware doesn&#039;t... So What, change the firmware, et voilÃ .

---&gt; rockbox.org (the one i use)
---&gt; ipodlinux.org (another one more geeky-linux-like)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iPod Rocks, but the firmware doesn&#8217;t&#8230; So What, change the firmware, et voilÃ .</p>
<p>&#8212;> rockbox.org (the one i use)<br />
&#8212;> ipodlinux.org (another one more geeky-linux-like)</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Johnson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16446</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure this was a move to lock out other syncing software. The new iPod Touch (and soon the iPhone) can download music over the air from the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store. My guess - and it&#039;s just a guess, as I&#039;m not technically proficient enough to dig into it - is that the new iTunes DB format has changed to allow integrity between libraries as some sort of &quot;this is an authorized device&quot; two-way check. I could be wrong, but I don&#039;t see why Apple would care enough about third-party software solutions to try to lock them out from syncing in software; even if you buy DRM-free MP3s from another service, it&#039;s not like you can&#039;t import them into iTunes.

So I&#039;d guess it is the byproduct of DRM, but not anything specifically malicious against non-iTunes users. Apple doesn&#039;t have any business need to maintain DB formats; they just have to make sure their software works with their hardware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure this was a move to lock out other syncing software. The new iPod Touch (and soon the iPhone) can download music over the air from the iTunes Wi-Fi Music Store. My guess &#8211; and it&#8217;s just a guess, as I&#8217;m not technically proficient enough to dig into it &#8211; is that the new iTunes DB format has changed to allow integrity between libraries as some sort of &#8220;this is an authorized device&#8221; two-way check. I could be wrong, but I don&#8217;t see why Apple would care enough about third-party software solutions to try to lock them out from syncing in software; even if you buy DRM-free MP3s from another service, it&#8217;s not like you can&#8217;t import them into iTunes.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d guess it is the byproduct of DRM, but not anything specifically malicious against non-iTunes users. Apple doesn&#8217;t have any business need to maintain DB formats; they just have to make sure their software works with their hardware.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16703</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, that&#039;s entertaining and all, but absolutely, 100 percent wrong -- as you&#039;d know, if you&#039;d tried Linux lately.

Getting an iPod to work under Ubuntu requires:

1. Plugging the iPod in

2. Opening Amarok, the music player

3. Clicking &quot;Synch.&quot;

But by all means, don&#039;t let facts interfere with your dismissal of other peoples&#039; concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, that&#8217;s entertaining and all, but absolutely, 100 percent wrong &#8212; as you&#8217;d know, if you&#8217;d tried Linux lately.</p>
<p>Getting an iPod to work under Ubuntu requires:</p>
<p>1. Plugging the iPod in</p>
<p>2. Opening Amarok, the music player</p>
<p>3. Clicking &#8220;Synch.&#8221;</p>
<p>But by all means, don&#8217;t let facts interfere with your dismissal of other peoples&#8217; concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: gobo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15941</link>
		<dc:creator>gobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know why Apple would engineer the new-gen iPods to be less open, but finding an alternative would be rough.

Any alternative to the iPod would have to....
â€¢Â be compatible with the wide variety of accessories and options available to iPod owners
â€¢Â play mp3s as well as high-quality files
â€¢Â be compatible with Mac, Linux, and PCs equally
â€¢ and most importantly, be able to access the world&#039;s largest music store, iTunes.

That ideal gadget doesn&#039;t exist yet, I don&#039;t believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know why Apple would engineer the new-gen iPods to be less open, but finding an alternative would be rough.</p>
<p>Any alternative to the iPod would have to&#8230;.<br />
â€¢Â be compatible with the wide variety of accessories and options available to iPod owners<br />
â€¢Â play mp3s as well as high-quality files<br />
â€¢Â be compatible with Mac, Linux, and PCs equally<br />
â€¢ and most importantly, be able to access the world&#8217;s largest music store, iTunes.</p>
<p>That ideal gadget doesn&#8217;t exist yet, I don&#8217;t believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-15942</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-15942</guid>
		<description>This school-year I&#039;m in the Japanese Language and Culture program at Evergreen.  I was thinking I should replace my old iPod.  You know, get something with video and lots of storage so I can study on the go.  Since I use Ubuntu, though, it now looks like Apple won&#039;t be getting any of my back-to-school cash.  I think it&#039;s bad enough they don&#039;t have iTunes for Linux, but this is just plain rude.

@Dave
I think Cory is only a few months overdue on that post. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This school-year I&#8217;m in the Japanese Language and Culture program at Evergreen.  I was thinking I should replace my old iPod.  You know, get something with video and lots of storage so I can study on the go.  Since I use Ubuntu, though, it now looks like Apple won&#8217;t be getting any of my back-to-school cash.  I think it&#8217;s bad enough they don&#8217;t have iTunes for Linux, but this is just plain rude.</p>
<p>@Dave<br />
I think Cory is only a few months overdue on that post. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: woolie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16714</link>
		<dc:creator>woolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-16714</guid>
		<description>Jesus, people. There&#039;s no real cryptography involved, because any keys used could be easily recovered. A computer is a state machine. The only way the iPod could become truly locked is if you had to send your library file to the iPod through Apple-owned servers to sign it with their private key. I haven&#039;t seen anything saying this is the case, as it&#039;d make itunes sync require internet access.

And of course, as others said, there are valid reasons to have a db checksum. Apple doesn&#039;t provide a public API, much less is obligated to document internal implementation details. Regardless, it&#039;ll be reversed in a few days.

Anyway, linux linux yeah yeah. I wish I had back all the time I&#039;ve spent fighting with Linux machines over the past decade... before I gave up on Desktop Linux and just got a Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus, people. There&#8217;s no real cryptography involved, because any keys used could be easily recovered. A computer is a state machine. The only way the iPod could become truly locked is if you had to send your library file to the iPod through Apple-owned servers to sign it with their private key. I haven&#8217;t seen anything saying this is the case, as it&#8217;d make itunes sync require internet access.</p>
<p>And of course, as others said, there are valid reasons to have a db checksum. Apple doesn&#8217;t provide a public API, much less is obligated to document internal implementation details. Regardless, it&#8217;ll be reversed in a few days.</p>
<p>Anyway, linux linux yeah yeah. I wish I had back all the time I&#8217;ve spent fighting with Linux machines over the past decade&#8230; before I gave up on Desktop Linux and just got a Mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-24141</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using sandisk sansa e280 with rockbox firmware (a free software)... better than an iPod. It&#039;s really a nice solution and you don&#039;t waste money for a non-supporting company trying to limit the freedom of their uers. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using sandisk sansa e280 with rockbox firmware (a free software)&#8230; better than an iPod. It&#8217;s really a nice solution and you don&#8217;t waste money for a non-supporting company trying to limit the freedom of their uers. </p>
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		<title>By: woolie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-18002</link>
		<dc:creator>woolie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-18002</guid>
		<description>The only ameliorating thing about the DMCA is that the internet is a big place. But anyway, maybe I&#039;m just too cynical, but you can&#039;t fault them for lockout. No one in a dominant market position has much incentive for building open hardware platforms.

I mean, I served my time in RMS&#039;s army. But I guess nowadays I&#039;ll buy a locked device if the quality is good enough.. it just becomes a line in a comparison matrix. I can always switch if something really fundamentally better comes along. Would Apple push their luck to that point? Who knows. Maybe if no one makes devices that are competitive enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only ameliorating thing about the DMCA is that the internet is a big place. But anyway, maybe I&#8217;m just too cynical, but you can&#8217;t fault them for lockout. No one in a dominant market position has much incentive for building open hardware platforms.</p>
<p>I mean, I served my time in RMS&#8217;s army. But I guess nowadays I&#8217;ll buy a locked device if the quality is good enough.. it just becomes a line in a comparison matrix. I can always switch if something really fundamentally better comes along. Would Apple push their luck to that point? Who knows. Maybe if no one makes devices that are competitive enough.</p>
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		<title>By: cteegarden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-17747</link>
		<dc:creator>cteegarden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-17747</guid>
		<description>It&#039;s also worth noting that the use of regular file to the ipod touch and iphone have ALSO been disabled.

Between that and the new arms race on cryptography for managing your OWN legally purchased content, I&#039;ve decided to forgo Ipods entirely.

As an earlier poster noted, http://www.anythingbutipod.com/ is a great site.  They&#039;re a bit biased towards the Iriver and Cowon brands but it&#039;s not hard to see why - the sound quality from them is incredible compared to ipods - especially the new ipod &quot;classic&quot;s.

I&#039;m going with the Cowon D2 for four main reasons:

it&#039;s kept the mass storage mode of operation unlike the newest apple ipods

it supports an incredible number of audio and video codecs - including FLAC and Ogg

it has incredible battery life that will allow me to use it well past the usual lifetime of lithium batteries

it allows you to use 8 GB memory cards to extend the internal storage - effectively allowing for an infinite extention of storage if you want to have dedicated cards for different purposes.

Enough about my choice - go check the above site out and pick your own ipod replacement.  Enjoy freedom for a change!

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that the use of regular file to the ipod touch and iphone have ALSO been disabled.</p>
<p>Between that and the new arms race on cryptography for managing your OWN legally purchased content, I&#8217;ve decided to forgo Ipods entirely.</p>
<p>As an earlier poster noted, <a href="http://www.anythingbutipod.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.anythingbutipod.com/</a> is a great site.  They&#8217;re a bit biased towards the Iriver and Cowon brands but it&#8217;s not hard to see why &#8211; the sound quality from them is incredible compared to ipods &#8211; especially the new ipod &#8220;classic&#8221;s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going with the Cowon D2 for four main reasons:</p>
<p>it&#8217;s kept the mass storage mode of operation unlike the newest apple ipods</p>
<p>it supports an incredible number of audio and video codecs &#8211; including FLAC and Ogg</p>
<p>it has incredible battery life that will allow me to use it well past the usual lifetime of lithium batteries</p>
<p>it allows you to use 8 GB memory cards to extend the internal storage &#8211; effectively allowing for an infinite extention of storage if you want to have dedicated cards for different purposes.</p>
<p>Enough about my choice &#8211; go check the above site out and pick your own ipod replacement.  Enjoy freedom for a change!</p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Julian Bond</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16477</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian Bond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">#comment-16477</guid>
		<description>It may be worse than it appears (to quote a famous blogger). Aledgedly, the new iPods also have encrypted firmware making Linux and Rockbox difficult or impossible. Although it may just be that the completely new hardware just requires a completely new port of the Rockbox and ipodlinux projects.

There&#039;s a lot riding on 3rd parties being able to build sync utilities. It&#039;s going to be very interesting watching to see if this is easy or hard over the next few weeks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be worse than it appears (to quote a famous blogger). Aledgedly, the new iPods also have encrypted firmware making Linux and Rockbox difficult or impossible. Although it may just be that the completely new hardware just requires a completely new port of the Rockbox and ipodlinux projects.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot riding on 3rd parties being able to build sync utilities. It&#8217;s going to be very interesting watching to see if this is easy or hard over the next few weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: abq halsey</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-16479</link>
		<dc:creator>abq halsey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel a disturbance, as if a million BiongBoingers&#039; apple-erections simultaneously wilted. (slide whistle sound) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel a disturbance, as if a million BiongBoingers&#8217; apple-erections simultaneously wilted. (slide whistle sound) </p>
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		<title>By: heroes</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html#comment-745823</link>
		<dc:creator>heroes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>who needs ipod when you have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mycreativefansite.com&quot;&gt;creative zen&lt;/a&gt; ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>who needs ipod when you have <a href="http://www.mycreativefansite.com">creative zen</a> ?</p>
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