Comments on: Review of $35 Blackwing 602 pencil http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Fri, 24 May 2013 02:43:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15642 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15642 Wow, I had no idea pencils can be so special... I always took them for granted! Wow, I had no idea pencils can be so special… I always took them for granted!

]]> By: Thorzdad http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15657 Thorzdad Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15657 I used Blackwings for, literally, decades and genuinely loved drawing with them. I know it sounds silly to some but, if you draw, you do fall in love with certain tools. Blackwings were one of those sweet tools. Smooth, dark, eerily effortless. It was sad to see them go. That said, I would never drop $35 for a single pencil. That's just crazy talk. I used Blackwings for, literally, decades and genuinely loved drawing with them. I know it sounds silly to some but, if you draw, you do fall in love with certain tools. Blackwings were one of those sweet tools. Smooth, dark, eerily effortless. It was sad to see them go.

That said, I would never drop $35 for a single pencil. That’s just crazy talk.

]]> By: TK http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15658 TK Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15658 Pencils? Pencils?

]]> By: Andy http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15661 Andy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15661 Thanks for linking me, Mark! I do enjoy my Blackwing, but like you, Thorzdad, I wouldn't drop $35 for a single pencil again. It's in my collection, and there it will stay. -Andy andy@welfle.com Thanks for linking me, Mark! I do enjoy my Blackwing, but like you, Thorzdad, I wouldn’t drop $35 for a single pencil again. It’s in my collection, and there it will stay.

-Andy
andy@welfle.com

]]> By: Izzat Sajdi http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-17199 Izzat Sajdi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-17199 I have not used a Blackwing before. I can not comment if it is worth it or not. Personally, I will saty a Fountain Pen lover in particular the "Diplomat" size 7. My two fingers on a typewriter have never connected with my brain. My hand on a pen does. A fountain pen, of course. Ball-point pens are only good for filling out forms on a plane.” Graham Greene. www.izzat-sajdi.blogspot.com I have not used a Blackwing before. I can not comment if it is worth it or not. Personally, I will saty a Fountain Pen lover in particular the “Diplomat” size 7.

My two fingers on a typewriter have never connected with my brain. My hand on a pen does. A fountain pen, of course. Ball-point pens are only good for filling out forms on a plane.” Graham Greene.

http://www.izzat-sajdi.blogspot.com

]]> By: RacerX http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15665 RacerX Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15665 What prevents this pencil from being manufactured again? Seems that if demand was this high and the pencil so extraordinary, someone would pick up the formula for the graphite and make more. Or is it that the formula calls for components no longer available? What prevents this pencil from being manufactured again? Seems that if demand was this high and the pencil so extraordinary, someone would pick up the formula for the graphite and make more. Or is it that the formula calls for components no longer available?

]]> By: bricology http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-17463 bricology Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-17463 Re: Mechanical pencils -- I happen to be something of a fiend for mechanical pencils, and have tried literally dozens of different ones to find what suits me best. My two biggest pet peeves have always been a too-small eraser, and an eraser that doubles as the lead-advance mechanism. Both of these are satisfied with one pencil -- the Pentel Clicker (NOT the "Quicker-Clicker" model with its kludgy rubber grip). The Clicker is inexpensive (under $4), so I don't have to worry too much about misplacing one. The black or clear-barreled model is aesthetically pleasing with a sober lack of the blobboid or Transformers "styling" that afflicts so many mechanical pencils. You advance the lead by simply depressing a long button on the side with your index finger; no need to stop writing or drawing. I prefer the .5mm size, although the .7 has its place too. The lead reservoir holds up to about 15 leads, which is enough for months of use. For lead, I've found Caran d'Ache "B" to be ideal, and I replace the stock erasers with Staedtler Mars Plastic erasers, although it's probably not essential. The only two complaints I have are that the point is a bit sharp for carrying in ones pocket, and the mechanism -- while robust -- doesn't have the satisfying precision metal feel of a higher-end mechanical pencil. Still, the two big design pluses that the Clicker has, its low price and simple appearance make it a winner with me. Re: Mechanical pencils — I happen to be something of a fiend for mechanical pencils, and have tried literally dozens of different ones to find what suits me best. My two biggest pet peeves have always been a too-small eraser, and an eraser that doubles as the lead-advance mechanism. Both of these are satisfied with one pencil — the Pentel Clicker (NOT the “Quicker-Clicker” model with its kludgy rubber grip). The Clicker is inexpensive (under $4), so I don’t have to worry too much about misplacing one. The black or clear-barreled model is aesthetically pleasing with a sober lack of the blobboid or Transformers “styling” that afflicts so many mechanical pencils.

You advance the lead by simply depressing a long button on the side with your index finger; no need to stop writing or drawing. I prefer the .5mm size, although the .7 has its place too. The lead reservoir holds up to about 15 leads, which is enough for months of use. For lead, I’ve found Caran d’Ache “B” to be ideal, and I replace the stock erasers with Staedtler Mars Plastic erasers, although it’s probably not essential. The only two complaints I have are that the point is a bit sharp for carrying in ones pocket, and the mechanism — while robust — doesn’t have the satisfying precision metal feel of a higher-end mechanical pencil. Still, the two big design pluses that the Clicker has, its low price and simple appearance make it a winner with me.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15672 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15672 ohhhhh for drawing! I had no idea why anyone would ever spend that kind of money on a pencil. Its just retarded. retarded, I say. ohhhhh for drawing! I had no idea why anyone would ever spend that kind of money on a pencil. Its just retarded. retarded, I say.

]]> By: phasor3000 http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15674 phasor3000 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15674 TK, yes, pencils. There are no steampunk rollerball pens yet, so we have to make do with pencils made of unobtainium for now. TK, yes, pencils. There are no steampunk rollerball pens yet, so we have to make do with pencils made of unobtainium for now.

]]> By: AndreasSch http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-326202 AndreasSch Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-326202 As much as I would love to use a Blackwing, I will "settle" for the fabulous Tombow Mono series of pencils from Japan. Great lead in them, and a good sight smoother, in my experience, than the California Republic Palominos. And speaking of the Palominos, the 2B is my choice, and would love to see them softer. As much as I would love to use a Blackwing, I will “settle” for the fabulous Tombow Mono series of pencils from Japan. Great lead in them, and a good sight smoother, in my experience, than the California Republic Palominos. And speaking of the Palominos, the 2B is my choice, and would love to see them softer.

]]> By: Grant Gould http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15678 Grant Gould Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15678 I lived on Blackwings for years, and only gave them up when I couldn't find them any more (little did I know it was because they were no longer being made). Every other pencil since has been a pale imitation; I only use pens now. I'm with racerx here -- what on earth prevents these things from being manufactured? I know they had more parts and crimping than a normal pencil and so cost more to manufacture -- but that's why they always cost twenty times more than other pencils. Is it just that the community of ultra-rabid Blackwing fanatics is too small? I lived on Blackwings for years, and only gave them up when I couldn’t find them any more (little did I know it was because they were no longer being made). Every other pencil since has been a pale imitation; I only use pens now.

I’m with racerx here — what on earth prevents these things from being manufactured? I know they had more parts and crimping than a normal pencil and so cost more to manufacture — but that’s why they always cost twenty times more than other pencils. Is it just that the community of ultra-rabid Blackwing fanatics is too small?

]]> By: Andy http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15680 Andy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15680 That's what's so mysterious about it, RacerX... They say the reason they don't make it any more is because the ferrule machine is broken. But apparently it is an easy fix. Maybe it's a vast ink-stained conspiracy to keep the pencil fans down? That’s what’s so mysterious about it, RacerX… They say the reason they don’t make it any more is because the ferrule machine is broken. But apparently it is an easy fix.

Maybe it’s a vast ink-stained conspiracy to keep the pencil fans down?

]]> By: mellowknees http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15681 mellowknees Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15681 I'm a pencil addict and my personal favorite is the Mirado Black Warrior, which you can pick up at any old office supply store. They're wonderful pencils. The lead is consistently soft but not *too* soft, and they have a satisfying heft and shape. Seriously...I don't care how marvelous anyone tells me another pencil is, I'll stick with my Mirado Black Warriors!!! http://www.pencilrevolution.com/2006/05/review-of-papermate-mirado-black-warrior/ I’m a pencil addict and my personal favorite is the Mirado Black Warrior, which you can pick up at any old office supply store. They’re wonderful pencils. The lead is consistently soft but not *too* soft, and they have a satisfying heft and shape. Seriously…I don’t care how marvelous anyone tells me another pencil is, I’ll stick with my Mirado Black Warriors!!!

http://www.pencilrevolution.com/2006/05/review-of-papermate-mirado-black-warrior/

]]> By: jere7my http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15691 jere7my Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15691 Aha! I was going to sing the praises of the Mirado Black Warrior myself, but somebody beat me to it. It's the best "cheap" pencil I've found. I've encountered a little trouble with weak erasers, though — I've had two or three nearly-new erasers break off at the collar while erasing. But I love their smooth dark lines and gold-foil lettering! Aha! I was going to sing the praises of the Mirado Black Warrior myself, but somebody beat me to it. It’s the best “cheap” pencil I’ve found. I’ve encountered a little trouble with weak erasers, though — I’ve had two or three nearly-new erasers break off at the collar while erasing. But I love their smooth dark lines and gold-foil lettering!

]]> By: Mark Frauenfelder http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15699 Mark Frauenfelder Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15699 Maybe the Chinese will make a knock-off and use genuine lead. Maybe the Chinese will make a knock-off and use genuine lead.

]]> By: Thorzdad http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15964 Thorzdad Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15964 For mechanical pencils, I've always like Pentel Hi-Polymer leads (HB or softer) I've found them to produce a fairly rich, dark line with smooth glide quality. And, yeah, it'll smear, like any good lead. For mechanical pencils, I’ve always like Pentel Hi-Polymer leads (HB or softer) I’ve found them to produce a fairly rich, dark line with smooth glide quality.
And, yeah, it’ll smear, like any good lead.

]]> By: crepuscule http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-143460 crepuscule Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-143460 I'd been looking for an excellent, cheap pencil. Pencils from the drug store and Target had crappy erasers... didn't erase and left a pink smear. I researched and found rave reviews for the Dixon Ticonderoga 1338-2/HB soft. smooth dark lead and, just as important, a superior eraser. I am an artist and take a lot of notes as well as doodle. Look no further than this pencil. I’d been looking for an excellent, cheap pencil. Pencils from the drug store and Target had crappy erasers… didn’t erase and left a
pink smear. I researched and found rave reviews for the Dixon Ticonderoga 1338-2/HB soft. smooth dark lead and, just as important, a superior eraser. I am an artist and take a lot of notes as well as doodle.
Look no further than this pencil.

]]> By: phasor3000 http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15718 phasor3000 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15718 Actually, China used to be (is?) famous for their high quality graphite... http://www.pencils.com/yellow.html Actually, China used to be (is?) famous for their high quality graphite…

http://www.pencils.com/yellow.html

]]> By: Andy http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15726 Andy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15726 Haha, Mark -- One more thing for the US to ban. Then they'll be expensive because they're contraband, instead of because they're out of production. Good call about the Palomino -- they're fun and stylish. Check out the Helix Oxford, too -- they aren't much to look at, but they write really well: http://www.pencilthings.info/pencil_things/2007/05/pencil_points_h.html The prettiest pencil I've seen in a while is the Rhodia pencil. I'm sure as an artist you've come across these, or the really really nice paper made by Bloc Rhodia: http://www.pencilthings.info/pencil_things/2007/06/pencil_points_r.html Thanks for the link -- any time you want to discuss the finer points of pencils (pun, of course, intended), look me up! -Andy andy@welfle.com Haha, Mark — One more thing for the US to ban. Then they’ll be expensive because they’re contraband, instead of because they’re out of production. Good call about the Palomino — they’re fun and stylish. Check out the Helix Oxford, too — they aren’t much to look at, but they write really well:

http://www.pencilthings.info/pencil_things/2007/05/pencil_points_h.html

The prettiest pencil I’ve seen in a while is the Rhodia pencil. I’m sure as an artist you’ve come across these, or the really really nice paper made by Bloc Rhodia:

http://www.pencilthings.info/pencil_things/2007/06/pencil_points_r.html

Thanks for the link — any time you want to discuss the finer points of pencils (pun, of course, intended), look me up!

-Andy
andy@welfle.com

]]> By: jphilby http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15727 jphilby Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15727 For $10, I'll get the 20-cent pencil and press twice as hard. Might as well get some use out of those gym hours making myself burly. That'll also come in handy when careless spenders force prices so high that I have to jump their fences to feed myself. For $10, I’ll get the 20-cent pencil and press twice as hard.

Might as well get some use out of those gym hours making myself burly. That’ll also come in handy when careless spenders force prices so high that I have to jump their fences to feed myself.

]]> By: bricology http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-18292 bricology Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18292 "My cursive has always been atrocious." Oh? MY cursive has always been pretty fucking awesome, goddamn it! “My cursive has always been atrocious.”

Oh? MY cursive has always been pretty fucking awesome, goddamn it!

]]> By: mbourgon http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15736 mbourgon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15736 Is there any equivalent for mechanical pencils? And, does it smear if you're a lefty? Is there any equivalent for mechanical pencils? And, does it smear if you’re a lefty?

]]> By: Andy http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15738 Andy Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15738 MBourgon, I am a lefty. And almost any pencil I use, no matter how hard the graphite is, smears. I've sort of accepted it as a fact of life. I haven't seen any mechanical equivalent of the Blackwing, but then again I'm not a huge mechanical fan. Let me look around, and check back here, I'll let you know! -Andy MBourgon,

I am a lefty. And almost any pencil I use, no matter how hard the graphite is, smears. I’ve sort of accepted it as a fact of life.

I haven’t seen any mechanical equivalent of the Blackwing, but then again I’m not a huge mechanical fan.

Let me look around, and check back here, I’ll let you know!

-Andy

]]> By: Sam http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15748 Sam Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15748 Also, what about a nice technical pencil lead, I can't find anything in my local shops and it really annoys me. Also, what about a nice technical pencil lead, I can’t find anything in my local shops and it really annoys me.

]]> By: lev3k http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-18053 lev3k Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-18053 #27: My cursive has always been atrocious. I consistently got terrible penmanship grades in elementary school. Strangely though, my block lettering has improved *greatly* through college, where my computer use has increased dramatically. I suspect though that this has more to do with me teaching myself to write with my other hand. #27:

My cursive has always been atrocious. I consistently got terrible penmanship grades in elementary school.

Strangely though, my block lettering has improved *greatly* through college, where my computer use has increased dramatically. I suspect though that this has more to do with me teaching myself to write with my other hand.

]]> By: devoinregress http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15751 devoinregress Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15751 Yup, the first graphite deposit was found under a tree in China and they made the best pencils for a long time. I use Sanford Design Ebony and a mechanical with the large thick sticks of graphite. What is this talk about pens? You are comparing apples to oranges when you talk about pens. Yup, the first graphite deposit was found under a tree in China and they made the best pencils for a long time. I use Sanford Design Ebony and a mechanical with the large thick sticks of graphite.

What is this talk about pens? You are comparing apples to oranges when you talk about pens.

]]> By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden/Moderator http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-15797 Teresa Nielsen Hayden/Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-15797 While you're out, can you pick me up a couple of Cambridge Mead 06064 business notebooks? They're the One True Notebook, but I haven't been able to find any since Staples took over. While you’re out, can you pick me up a couple of Cambridge Mead 06064 business notebooks? They’re the One True Notebook, but I haven’t been able to find any since Staples took over.

]]> By: doggo http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-17600 doggo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-17600 Well, if you're pencil fans, then you'll want to read Henry Petroski's facinating <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Pencil-History-Design-Circumstance/dp/0679734155/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5836069-5162268?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1190032559&sr=8-1">The Pencil: A History of Design and Circumstance</a>. That's right, 448 pages all about the humble pencil. How long before the once ubiquitous writing implement goes the way of the mechanical typewriter? Will the next generation learn to write their ABCs on a keyboard? No, wait, that doesn't work... Uh, will the next generation... Um. Yeah, um, so how bad has your cursive gotten after decades of keyboarding? Well, if you’re pencil fans, then you’ll want to read Henry Petroski’s facinating The Pencil: A History of Design and Circumstance. That’s right, 448 pages all about the humble pencil.

How long before the once ubiquitous writing implement goes the way of the mechanical typewriter? Will the next generation learn to write their ABCs on a keyboard? No, wait, that doesn’t work… Uh, will the next generation… Um. Yeah, um, so how bad has your cursive gotten after decades of keyboarding?

]]> By: 0dell http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-17090 0dell Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-17090 When I was in school, studying to be an animator, I had the insane good fortune to meet <a href=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Jones> Chuck Jones</a> several times. The last time, which must have been in '98, he asked all of us to keep an eye out for Blackwings, and to buy any we could find for him. He had a little stockpile, but was clearly dreading running out. When I was in school, studying to be an animator, I had the insane good fortune to meet Chuck Jones several times. The last time, which must have been in ’98, he asked all of us to keep an eye out for Blackwings, and to buy any we could find for him. He had a little stockpile, but was clearly dreading running out.

]]> By: Stephen http://boingboing.net/2007/09/14/review-of-35-blackwi.html#comment-17353 Stephen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-17353 Anyone interested in the best currently made pencils should check out the products of the top Japanese makers: Tombow, Mitsubsishi, Kita-Boshi, and Pentel. (The Palomino is also made in Japan.) They are more expensive than No. 2s from Staples, but nowhere near the vintage Blackwing prices being mentioned. Some info at my blog: www.penciltalk.org Anyone interested in the best currently made pencils should check out the products of the top Japanese makers: Tombow, Mitsubsishi, Kita-Boshi, and Pentel. (The Palomino is also made in Japan.) They are more expensive than No. 2s from Staples, but nowhere near the vintage Blackwing prices being mentioned.

Some info at my blog: http://www.penciltalk.org

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