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		<title>By: pietro71</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-61445</link>
		<dc:creator>pietro71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hy,I am an Italian citizen, thanks in order to have published this news...The Italian people are overwhelmed from mafia political organizations that occupy the institutions...The means of information are control to you and managed from the gangsterism...The Italian people have need that the rest of the world is informed on what is happening in Italy... You do not leave us single...
Please published often the news of blog of Beppe Grillo is the only way in order to hold to you informs on what is happening in Italy... Excused for my ugly English...

ciao Pietro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hy,I am an Italian citizen, thanks in order to have published this news&#8230;The Italian people are overwhelmed from mafia political organizations that occupy the institutions&#8230;The means of information are control to you and managed from the gangsterism&#8230;The Italian people have need that the rest of the world is informed on what is happening in Italy&#8230; You do not leave us single&#8230;<br />
Please published often the news of blog of Beppe Grillo is the only way in order to hold to you informs on what is happening in Italy&#8230; Excused for my ugly English&#8230;</p>
<p>ciao Pietro</p>
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		<title>By: prexure</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-61957</link>
		<dc:creator>prexure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.. Yes.. I&#039;m Italian Boy :&#124;

Take a look here: http://www.agcom.it/rel_07/eng/rel_07_eng.pdf

&quot;The Authority&#039;s new council has made consumer protection a cardinal point of its stratgey&quot;

... consumer protection?!

A person defends with words, not with censorship :&#124;

Goodbye

PREXURE -_-&#039;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.. Yes.. I&#8217;m Italian Boy :|</p>
<p>Take a look here: <a href="http://www.agcom.it/rel_07/eng/rel_07_eng.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.agcom.it/rel_07/eng/rel_07_eng.pdf</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The Authority&#8217;s new council has made consumer protection a cardinal point of its stratgey&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; consumer protection?!</p>
<p>A person defends with words, not with censorship :|</p>
<p>Goodbye</p>
<p>PREXURE -_-&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Nielsen Hayden</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-63241</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Nielsen Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone should point to Dego (#35) that Cory Doctorow is not and never has been a &quot;US blogger.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should point to Dego (#35) that Cory Doctorow is not and never has been a &#8220;US blogger.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: almilano</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-71947</link>
		<dc:creator>almilano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Italy too, and blog about Italian life, events and culture, but I am not Italian.  

When I first heard about this ridiculous law I was shocked.  It is a real attack on freedom of speech, which has be brought about by Italians politicians who detest any form of criticism.  

At present the www is the only place in Italy where real people can speak about real issues. The mainstream media are just about all controlled by some interest or other.

However, from what I understand, and I could be wrong, this law will not be brought in - the worldwide reaction seems to have worried Levi-Prodi more than a little.  In some ways this is ironic in that these wise politicians wanted to end criticism but have inadvertently created more bad press, and criticism, on a worldwide scale, for Italy than just about all Italian blogs put together!

I really do hope this issue dies the death - if not, then I think there are many who will fight it - including me.

What also gets me is that Italian politicians appear to have no appreciation of the www and blogs and are totally forgetting just how much good publicity many blogs, including my own, generate for the country.

I refer, half jokingly, to Italy as the &#039;Living Museum&#039; - recent events seem to have demonstrated that this description is not too far of the truth.

Let&#039;s keep an eye on this - just in case someone tries to resurrect it...

All the best from Italy - a marvellous place in many ways,

Alex Roe 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Italy too, and blog about Italian life, events and culture, but I am not Italian.  </p>
<p>When I first heard about this ridiculous law I was shocked.  It is a real attack on freedom of speech, which has be brought about by Italians politicians who detest any form of criticism.  </p>
<p>At present the www is the only place in Italy where real people can speak about real issues. The mainstream media are just about all controlled by some interest or other.</p>
<p>However, from what I understand, and I could be wrong, this law will not be brought in &#8211; the worldwide reaction seems to have worried Levi-Prodi more than a little.  In some ways this is ironic in that these wise politicians wanted to end criticism but have inadvertently created more bad press, and criticism, on a worldwide scale, for Italy than just about all Italian blogs put together!</p>
<p>I really do hope this issue dies the death &#8211; if not, then I think there are many who will fight it &#8211; including me.</p>
<p>What also gets me is that Italian politicians appear to have no appreciation of the www and blogs and are totally forgetting just how much good publicity many blogs, including my own, generate for the country.</p>
<p>I refer, half jokingly, to Italy as the &#8216;Living Museum&#8217; &#8211; recent events seem to have demonstrated that this description is not too far of the truth.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep an eye on this &#8211; just in case someone tries to resurrect it&#8230;</p>
<p>All the best from Italy &#8211; a marvellous place in many ways,</p>
<p>Alex Roe </p>
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		<title>By: dego</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-62478</link>
		<dc:creator>dego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Italian blogger. The situation in Italy is very very serious (pls take a look at http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2732802.ece and http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=a4zjTEYySTg) But I want to point out we have strong democacy defensive tools (roman law is a light in the world from 2000 years). Moreover we adere also to European Union regulation. We can accept constructive critics from all over the globe. But I want to clarify we cannot accep any lesson from US bloggers. USA is sistematically violating international laws amd uman rights from at leat last ten year. Afganistan and Iraq and under everybody eyes. Just in Italy during recent years many individuals are been stollen from CIA agents and tortured for years. Moreover as a conseguence of our lost in II would war 60 year ago even today we are compelled to host 90 USA nucler weapons on our territory in violation of international egreements. In Italy we have mafia wide spread in south, in USA mafia is simply inside White House. So warm invitation to all US bloggers: please shame about your false democracy and resolve your internal problems before thinking to criticize Italy. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Italian blogger. The situation in Italy is very very serious (pls take a look at <a href="http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2732802.ece" rel="nofollow">http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article2732802.ece</a> and <a href="http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=a4zjTEYySTg" rel="nofollow">http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=a4zjTEYySTg</a>) But I want to point out we have strong democacy defensive tools (roman law is a light in the world from 2000 years). Moreover we adere also to European Union regulation. We can accept constructive critics from all over the globe. But I want to clarify we cannot accep any lesson from US bloggers. USA is sistematically violating international laws amd uman rights from at leat last ten year. Afganistan and Iraq and under everybody eyes. Just in Italy during recent years many individuals are been stollen from CIA agents and tortured for years. Moreover as a conseguence of our lost in II would war 60 year ago even today we are compelled to host 90 USA nucler weapons on our territory in violation of international egreements. In Italy we have mafia wide spread in south, in USA mafia is simply inside White House. So warm invitation to all US bloggers: please shame about your false democracy and resolve your internal problems before thinking to criticize Italy. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: prexure</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-61983</link>
		<dc:creator>prexure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ops.. and that?!

&quot;Today Italy is among the &lt;b&gt;most liberalized countries in Europe&lt;/b&gt;, and the fifth market in the world in terms of pro capita earning, the second for mobile telephony voice services, and
for which Italy represents the highest rate of penetration (140%). We are the first country
in Europe for third generation mobile services (17 million UMTS users) and the second in
the world after Japan&quot;

most liberalized?!

...damn! Shut up PD(evil)F!

PREXURE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ops.. and that?!</p>
<p>&#8220;Today Italy is among the <b>most liberalized countries in Europe</b>, and the fifth market in the world in terms of pro capita earning, the second for mobile telephony voice services, and<br />
for which Italy represents the highest rate of penetration (140%). We are the first country<br />
in Europe for third generation mobile services (17 million UMTS users) and the second in<br />
the world after Japan&#8221;</p>
<p>most liberalized?!</p>
<p>&#8230;damn! Shut up PD(evil)F!</p>
<p>PREXURE</p>
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		<title>By: Gizio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-69667</link>
		<dc:creator>Gizio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well , Iâ€™m an Italian citizen , obviously I found this â€œnewsâ€ unbelievable, in terms of democracy, For what I remember ironically I know  something like that as existing only in China , a country notoriously not quite democratic , therefore not comparable at all to my country .

If this law will take place, I think for sure I shall ask to any other real democratic county the status of political refugee, because feeless to express my political or any kind of idea , I will finally feel like  live in a country pretty close to some those like China or any like fascist or communist type , in brief a kind of regime designed to close our mouth for ever, and what is most unbelievable is that any of the parliamentary or politic figure  were all agreed with this issued.

I have my own site , www.gizio.it  a no profit one , where some of my invention as well ideas are exposed for free to anyone who want enjoy or is interested about , it takes me a lot of my free time to keep the site alive ,and I spent many years to built it as it is now , sacrifice my time and money , and I donâ€™t want to pay any further tax or subscribe any government mandatory or shit like that, I have thought to express my creativity and my democratic opinion if necessary for free because believed to live in a democratic country .
There some years , that we Italians are going through very bad time bad time, and Iâ€™d always thought that  if our ancestor could only back to life , I guess they would fight all of us as aliens kicking most of us straight to the sea , it seem we are destroying this marvellous country , where the most beautiful pages of art and history were written in the past. Today our most â€œimpressive and interesting social aspectâ€  attracting the   worldâ€™s opinion seem to be just the political corruption and mafia â€¦â€¦well who think they are different after all?

If there is somebody who give me asylum please contact me for that , because despite all Iâ€™m afraid I have to live the Italian soil soon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well , Iâ€™m an Italian citizen , obviously I found this â€œnewsâ€ unbelievable, in terms of democracy, For what I remember ironically I know  something like that as existing only in China , a country notoriously not quite democratic , therefore not comparable at all to my country .</p>
<p>If this law will take place, I think for sure I shall ask to any other real democratic county the status of political refugee, because feeless to express my political or any kind of idea , I will finally feel like  live in a country pretty close to some those like China or any like fascist or communist type , in brief a kind of regime designed to close our mouth for ever, and what is most unbelievable is that any of the parliamentary or politic figure  were all agreed with this issued.</p>
<p>I have my own site , <a href="http://www.gizio.it" rel="nofollow">http://www.gizio.it</a>  a no profit one , where some of my invention as well ideas are exposed for free to anyone who want enjoy or is interested about , it takes me a lot of my free time to keep the site alive ,and I spent many years to built it as it is now , sacrifice my time and money , and I donâ€™t want to pay any further tax or subscribe any government mandatory or shit like that, I have thought to express my creativity and my democratic opinion if necessary for free because believed to live in a democratic country .<br />
There some years , that we Italians are going through very bad time bad time, and Iâ€™d always thought that  if our ancestor could only back to life , I guess they would fight all of us as aliens kicking most of us straight to the sea , it seem we are destroying this marvellous country , where the most beautiful pages of art and history were written in the past. Today our most â€œimpressive and interesting social aspectâ€  attracting the   worldâ€™s opinion seem to be just the political corruption and mafia â€¦â€¦well who think they are different after all?</p>
<p>If there is somebody who give me asylum please contact me for that , because despite all Iâ€™m afraid I have to live the Italian soil soon.</p>
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		<title>By: gigi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-63523</link>
		<dc:creator>gigi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teresa Nielsen from Gigi
In Italy is forseen in our Constitution ( Art.51 )that anyone can sumit a Proposal Law to the Parliament if it is signed by 50.000 people.
Grillo was able to collect 300.000 signatures in one day and this was most probably considered as a threat, not only for his succes but also because this Article was never used by others in the past or it was used only few times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teresa Nielsen from Gigi<br />
In Italy is forseen in our Constitution ( Art.51 )that anyone can sumit a Proposal Law to the Parliament if it is signed by 50.000 people.<br />
Grillo was able to collect 300.000 signatures in one day and this was most probably considered as a threat, not only for his succes but also because this Article was never used by others in the past or it was used only few times.</p>
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		<title>By: flamingphonebook</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-57127</link>
		<dc:creator>flamingphonebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sorry, but I can&#039;t do the gun control analogy. One is a means of self-expression, the other a means of efficient destruction. There is a strong justification for gun control, not for choking freedom of speech.&quot;

It&#039;s far easier to choke the freedom of speech of disarmed people.  

(More to the point, guns are property and the right of property is absolute.  From my cold, dead hand)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sorry, but I can&#8217;t do the gun control analogy. One is a means of self-expression, the other a means of efficient destruction. There is a strong justification for gun control, not for choking freedom of speech.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s far easier to choke the freedom of speech of disarmed people.  </p>
<p>(More to the point, guns are property and the right of property is absolute.  From my cold, dead hand)</p>
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		<title>By: Emrecall</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-57384</link>
		<dc:creator>Emrecall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&#039;There is a strong justification for gun control, not for choking freedom of speech.&#039;&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, right.  Because its so much easier to squash freedom of speech minus the means to fight back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8216;There is a strong justification for gun control, not for choking freedom of speech.&#8217;</i></p>
<p>Uh, right.  Because its so much easier to squash freedom of speech minus the means to fight back.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-62766</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear friends,just a few hours ago the actual Italian Government has gone &quot;under&quot; 4 times in Parliament discussion, due to various  proposals as stupid as the Levi-Prodi antiblog attempt, which last,  finally, seems to have been cancelled.....the seemly destiny of  the actual governmental coalition ,  following the end of a pocket size Titanic.......
The old soviet mentality among left sided italian is hard to die.......
Anyway , not for nothing its said that we are  the homeland of poets, saints and navigators (discoverers),and so even in the worst situations there is always a sunbeam to support  our optimism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear friends,just a few hours ago the actual Italian Government has gone &#8220;under&#8221; 4 times in Parliament discussion, due to various  proposals as stupid as the Levi-Prodi antiblog attempt, which last,  finally, seems to have been cancelled&#8230;..the seemly destiny of  the actual governmental coalition ,  following the end of a pocket size Titanic&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
The old soviet mentality among left sided italian is hard to die&#8230;&#8230;.<br />
Anyway , not for nothing its said that we are  the homeland of poets, saints and navigators (discoverers),and so even in the worst situations there is always a sunbeam to support  our optimism.</p>
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		<title>By: Davide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-58931</link>
		<dc:creator>Davide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to &quot;put the dots on the i&#039;s&quot; as we say in Italy:

- the proposed law can be read by whole on Beppe&#039;s blog.
- it says that all &quot;editorial&quot; sites are to be registerd. That including blogs.
- it says expressly that company sites aren&#039;t to be registered to the ROC. (only editorial companies)
- the registration is free but it has paperwork to be done and stamps to be bought to do that.
- it is not clear if professional journalists are needed.
- the Government published an answer to Beppe on the Government site on saturday saying that it will revise it.
- On wednesday the Parliament is discussing the law with no modifications yet.

- Great result of Beppe&#039;s post I think. 11.000 comments for one post. And I guess pleanty of emails to the writer of the proposed law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to &#8220;put the dots on the i&#8217;s&#8221; as we say in Italy:</p>
<p>- the proposed law can be read by whole on Beppe&#8217;s blog.<br />
- it says that all &#8220;editorial&#8221; sites are to be registerd. That including blogs.<br />
- it says expressly that company sites aren&#8217;t to be registered to the ROC. (only editorial companies)<br />
- the registration is free but it has paperwork to be done and stamps to be bought to do that.<br />
- it is not clear if professional journalists are needed.<br />
- the Government published an answer to Beppe on the Government site on saturday saying that it will revise it.<br />
- On wednesday the Parliament is discussing the law with no modifications yet.</p>
<p>- Great result of Beppe&#8217;s post I think. 11.000 comments for one post. And I guess pleanty of emails to the writer of the proposed law.</p>
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		<title>By: paolomolino</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well what to say, my first post n this blog. This law is something that shoked me, very much, much more than what happened in Genova in 2001. That was fascism, this is even worse. This demonstrate without any further doubt that this so-called left wing governement is worse then the berlusconi&#039;s one. I thought that it could not be possible to go so far down. Well we actually are. i&#039;m scared and above all I am angfry at those people, those politicians, thirsty of power and money. 
I&#039;m 29 and I&#039;m already very tired with all of this, I tried to stop reading newspapers to evitate getting liver cancer in 5 years time (beacuse of the rage)...it&#039;s useless, they are cheating us from any side, any point of view</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well what to say, my first post n this blog. This law is something that shoked me, very much, much more than what happened in Genova in 2001. That was fascism, this is even worse. This demonstrate without any further doubt that this so-called left wing governement is worse then the berlusconi&#8217;s one. I thought that it could not be possible to go so far down. Well we actually are. i&#8217;m scared and above all I am angfry at those people, those politicians, thirsty of power and money.<br />
I&#8217;m 29 and I&#8217;m already very tired with all of this, I tried to stop reading newspapers to evitate getting liver cancer in 5 years time (beacuse of the rage)&#8230;it&#8217;s useless, they are cheating us from any side, any point of view</p>
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		<title>By: annarella</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-62545</link>
		<dc:creator>annarella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i m an italian citizen and i wonder to myself, why don t we enjoy the China Union, instead of EU?-----it seems to be a good idea...isnt it?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i m an italian citizen and i wonder to myself, why don t we enjoy the China Union, instead of EU?&#8212;&#8211;it seems to be a good idea&#8230;isnt it?</p>
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		<title>By: D#</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-63825</link>
		<dc:creator>D#</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m italian too, &lt;i&gt;salve a tutti&lt;/i&gt; (&quot;Hello to everybody&quot;).

Just some random replies:

1) The current proposal of law is (luckily) being revisited due to the massive people&#039;s reaction.

2) A very similar law in 2001 was approved and it&#039;s still &quot;alive&quot;; anyway this law has never been enforced (as far as I know) against personal, no-profit and randomly-updated sites. It applies only to explicitally declared news sites.
The 2001 law also applies to sites hosted in foreign countries but mantained by italians (don&#039;t ask me how it can be enforced...).

3) The first ones to report informations about the current proposal of law were technology-related web sites (like Punto Informatico); anyway the big trouble started when Beppe Grillo republished the news: since he has an heavy influence on public opinion the news got the TV and newspapers attention (and of course the government attention, too).

4) Beppe Grillo used to smash computers on stage, but it was a period when he though that computers are a form of slavery. Now he discovered that Internet is a great medium to spread his thoughs (especially since when he has been banned from TV). People are allowed to change their ideas.

5) The ROC subscription is free, anyway the needed  bureaucracy and the bigger penal risks related to the content (usually &lt;i&gt;defamation&lt;/i&gt;) are supposed to discourage many people from blogging.

6)&lt;b&gt;I don&#039;t think that the aim of this law was the censorship of Internet content.&lt;/b&gt; Simply, it  is a law written by someone that really doesn&#039;t know the Net and made a big mistake...

7) For &quot;Freedom House&quot; (the american organisation) reports say that Italy has a fairly poor press freedom. Most newspapers belong to few powerful economic groups (at present most of them support the center-left parties), but the most important private TV channels are owned by Berlusconi. Public TV channels (RAI) are &lt;b&gt;always&lt;/b&gt; taken by any just-elected government. It&#039;s the only country where journalists must be in a professional body (&quot;Ordine professionale dei giornalisti&quot;). Political parties (of every colour) aren&#039;t very interested in the &quot;freedom to informate&quot;, anyway they are much more focused on traditional media (TV, radio, newspapers) then the Internet.

Bye!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m italian too, <i>salve a tutti</i> (&#8220;Hello to everybody&#8221;).</p>
<p>Just some random replies:</p>
<p>1) The current proposal of law is (luckily) being revisited due to the massive people&#8217;s reaction.</p>
<p>2) A very similar law in 2001 was approved and it&#8217;s still &#8220;alive&#8221;; anyway this law has never been enforced (as far as I know) against personal, no-profit and randomly-updated sites. It applies only to explicitally declared news sites.<br />
The 2001 law also applies to sites hosted in foreign countries but mantained by italians (don&#8217;t ask me how it can be enforced&#8230;).</p>
<p>3) The first ones to report informations about the current proposal of law were technology-related web sites (like Punto Informatico); anyway the big trouble started when Beppe Grillo republished the news: since he has an heavy influence on public opinion the news got the TV and newspapers attention (and of course the government attention, too).</p>
<p>4) Beppe Grillo used to smash computers on stage, but it was a period when he though that computers are a form of slavery. Now he discovered that Internet is a great medium to spread his thoughs (especially since when he has been banned from TV). People are allowed to change their ideas.</p>
<p>5) The ROC subscription is free, anyway the needed  bureaucracy and the bigger penal risks related to the content (usually <i>defamation</i>) are supposed to discourage many people from blogging.</p>
<p>6)<b>I don&#8217;t think that the aim of this law was the censorship of Internet content.</b> Simply, it  is a law written by someone that really doesn&#8217;t know the Net and made a big mistake&#8230;</p>
<p>7) For &#8220;Freedom House&#8221; (the american organisation) reports say that Italy has a fairly poor press freedom. Most newspapers belong to few powerful economic groups (at present most of them support the center-left parties), but the most important private TV channels are owned by Berlusconi. Public TV channels (RAI) are <b>always</b> taken by any just-elected government. It&#8217;s the only country where journalists must be in a professional body (&#8220;Ordine professionale dei giornalisti&#8221;). Political parties (of every colour) aren&#8217;t very interested in the &#8220;freedom to informate&#8221;, anyway they are much more focused on traditional media (TV, radio, newspapers) then the Internet.</p>
<p>Bye!</p>
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		<title>By: sandro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-71762</link>
		<dc:creator>sandro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Italy and i work in web development &amp; design. I&#039;m afraid about this law, because our life will be impossible and many websites will close. Personal or tiny websites, which talk about information and offer free services, will have serious problems and will become too much expensive to mantain.
Freedom in internet in Italy is in serious danger... ;-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Italy and i work in web development &#038; design. I&#8217;m afraid about this law, because our life will be impossible and many websites will close. Personal or tiny websites, which talk about information and offer free services, will have serious problems and will become too much expensive to mantain.<br />
Freedom in internet in Italy is in serious danger&#8230; ;-(</p>
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		<title>By: devophill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-56915</link>
		<dc:creator>devophill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of interesting political ideas have come out of Italy in the past, say, 100 years...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of interesting political ideas have come out of Italy in the past, say, 100 years&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-56921</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, so you can kiss Italy goodbye.

Does that mean for servers in Italy, or just Italy&#039;s domain or does it mean any citizen of Italy? Even if that citizen&#039;s blog is on US servers? How can they possibly enforce it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so you can kiss Italy goodbye.</p>
<p>Does that mean for servers in Italy, or just Italy&#8217;s domain or does it mean any citizen of Italy? Even if that citizen&#8217;s blog is on US servers? How can they possibly enforce it?</p>
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		<title>By: claudiaki</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-66139</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a message from Italy. Very entertaining to see that someone thinks Prodi is an ex communist. He&#039;s only and old Christian Democrat with many skeletons in his closet. This law is surrealistic and so is the 2008 budget which is being discussed these days. This governement is not applying the programme for which they were elected. The have no idea of what the Italian people think and need. There is no communication whatsoever between the people and the governement. It is as if the governement lived a different country. People voted for Prodi because the alternative was Berlusconi. And they had voted for Berlusconi 5 years earlier because the alternative was Prodi. Go figure. There is no escape from this politcal empasse. With regards to this new law, it will not pass, for the simple reason that it is inapplicable and that Brussels will ask for it to be cancelled imediately, as it is an obvious attemp at undermining freedom of speech in a democracy. Every Italian knows this law has been designed to shut people up. Papers are all under the control of political parties, being that right or left wing, it makes no difference. There is no such thing as free information in this country. Meantime the governemt is not moving a finger to change labor law which is destroying young people&#039;s lives. We live in the state of povery in which our own governement keep us. Which we voted precisely because it had promised to change labor law. This is the reason why many young people now use the web to communicate the deplorable state in which they live. And now they are trying to shut the web up so the world won&#039;t know. Please circulate: boicot all Italian products and write to free papers in your country and let the world know. Read also: http://clobo70.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a message from Italy. Very entertaining to see that someone thinks Prodi is an ex communist. He&#8217;s only and old Christian Democrat with many skeletons in his closet. This law is surrealistic and so is the 2008 budget which is being discussed these days. This governement is not applying the programme for which they were elected. The have no idea of what the Italian people think and need. There is no communication whatsoever between the people and the governement. It is as if the governement lived a different country. People voted for Prodi because the alternative was Berlusconi. And they had voted for Berlusconi 5 years earlier because the alternative was Prodi. Go figure. There is no escape from this politcal empasse. With regards to this new law, it will not pass, for the simple reason that it is inapplicable and that Brussels will ask for it to be cancelled imediately, as it is an obvious attemp at undermining freedom of speech in a democracy. Every Italian knows this law has been designed to shut people up. Papers are all under the control of political parties, being that right or left wing, it makes no difference. There is no such thing as free information in this country. Meantime the governemt is not moving a finger to change labor law which is destroying young people&#8217;s lives. We live in the state of povery in which our own governement keep us. Which we voted precisely because it had promised to change labor law. This is the reason why many young people now use the web to communicate the deplorable state in which they live. And now they are trying to shut the web up so the world won&#8217;t know. Please circulate: boicot all Italian products and write to free papers in your country and let the world know. Read also: <a href="http://clobo70.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://clobo70.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-61535</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Straight from:

http://www.antoniodipietro.com/en/2007/10/dont_gag_the_internet.html#comments

========= QUOTE ===============
&lt;B&gt;Donâ€™t Gag the Internet&lt;/B&gt;
 
&lt;I&gt;I am receiving so many emails and comments criticizing the draft bill â€New discipline for publishing and delegating to the Government for the release of a unified text about the reorganisation of legislation in the publishing sectorâ€. 
To be clear: the draft law was not discussed in the meeting of the Council of Ministers on 12 October because it was presented as a normal routine measure. 
I read the text today for the first time and my opinion is that it should be blocked immediately. This draft law would in fact put a cloak over the Internet in Italy and would probably bring about its ending. 
Itâ€™s a liberty-killing law and it is against the bloggers who each day publish articles that are never reported by newspapers and the TV. 
I am part of the government and I accept my responsibility for not having intercepted the draft law, but as far as I am concerned this law will never pass, even at the cost of raising the issue of the support given by Italia dei Valori to the Government.&lt;/I&gt;

========= END QUOTE ===============

Any comments or suggestions?

We hope that next time they will FIRST read and THEN &lt;FONT COLOR=&quot;#FF0000&quot;&gt;(eventually)&lt;/FONT&gt; sign...




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Straight from:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.antoniodipietro.com/en/2007/10/dont_gag_the_internet.html#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.antoniodipietro.com/en/2007/10/dont_gag_the_internet.html#comments</a></p>
<p>========= QUOTE ===============<br />
<b>Donâ€™t Gag the Internet</b></p>
<p><i>I am receiving so many emails and comments criticizing the draft bill â€New discipline for publishing and delegating to the Government for the release of a unified text about the reorganisation of legislation in the publishing sectorâ€.<br />
To be clear: the draft law was not discussed in the meeting of the Council of Ministers on 12 October because it was presented as a normal routine measure.<br />
I read the text today for the first time and my opinion is that it should be blocked immediately. This draft law would in fact put a cloak over the Internet in Italy and would probably bring about its ending.<br />
Itâ€™s a liberty-killing law and it is against the bloggers who each day publish articles that are never reported by newspapers and the TV.<br />
I am part of the government and I accept my responsibility for not having intercepted the draft law, but as far as I am concerned this law will never pass, even at the cost of raising the issue of the support given by Italia dei Valori to the Government.</i></p>
<p>========= END QUOTE ===============</p>
<p>Any comments or suggestions?</p>
<p>We hope that next time they will FIRST read and THEN <font COLOR="#FF0000">(eventually)</font> sign&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RandomReader</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-57185</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In soviet Italy, government kills your blog.

In Italy we have a very very sad and stupdi prime minister, Romano Prodi, an ex-communist that is ruining our country. This censorship law is born from the need to stop the spreading of scandals involving the governmente members, for example the Sircana case, a government spokesman who was caught on a road chatting to some bitches-trans, and the photos spread over the internet.

In soviet Italy, government kills your country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In soviet Italy, government kills your blog.</p>
<p>In Italy we have a very very sad and stupdi prime minister, Romano Prodi, an ex-communist that is ruining our country. This censorship law is born from the need to stop the spreading of scandals involving the governmente members, for example the Sircana case, a government spokesman who was caught on a road chatting to some bitches-trans, and the photos spread over the internet.</p>
<p>In soviet Italy, government kills your country.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-56935</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&lt;i&gt;Even if that citizen&#039;s blog is on US servers? How can they possibly enforce it?&lt;/i&gt;

Um. If the citizen resides in Italy, how about by throwing them out of the fourth floor window of a police station?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>><i>Even if that citizen&#8217;s blog is on US servers? How can they possibly enforce it?</i></p>
<p>Um. If the citizen resides in Italy, how about by throwing them out of the fourth floor window of a police station?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicola Mattina</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-58729</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicola Mattina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory, what Beppe Grillo wrote is completely untrue. I tried to sum up the main ambiguous points of the bill in this post: http://www.spiderlessweb.com/?p=16</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, what Beppe Grillo wrote is completely untrue. I tried to sum up the main ambiguous points of the bill in this post: <a href="http://www.spiderlessweb.com/?p=16" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiderlessweb.com/?p=16</a></p>
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		<title>By: eio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-57194</link>
		<dc:creator>eio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you could choose better sources than Beppe Grillo, I guess.

The Law proposal did not intend to be about blogs at all from the start, even if it was ambiguous.

Remember that a few years ago Grillo was famous for smashing computers on stage. No one should be allowed to forget that ;) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you could choose better sources than Beppe Grillo, I guess.</p>
<p>The Law proposal did not intend to be about blogs at all from the start, even if it was ambiguous.</p>
<p>Remember that a few years ago Grillo was famous for smashing computers on stage. No one should be allowed to forget that ;) </p>
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		<title>By: eio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-57197</link>
		<dc:creator>eio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For completeness&#039; sake, I have to add that the Prime Minister Romano Prodi has never been a communist: he was rather a Christian Democrat.</description>
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		<title>By: markb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-64369</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi i am marco  i am 40 and unfortunally italian boy.
i am not proud to live in Italy and if  the general
situation don&#039;t change i leave my country and i wil
l go to live and work in another nation of the UE or
in another part of the world.About the Levi&#039;s law a lot of people have spoken, i tell only this: Big Beppe Grillo we need a lot of person as him and i fight every day in my life to change the
destiny of my conuntry.Sorry for my english and bye
bye.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi i am marco  i am 40 and unfortunally italian boy.<br />
i am not proud to live in Italy and if  the general<br />
situation don&#8217;t change i leave my country and i wil<br />
l go to live and work in another nation of the UE or<br />
in another part of the world.About the Levi&#8217;s law a lot of people have spoken, i tell only this: Big Beppe Grillo we need a lot of person as him and i fight every day in my life to change the<br />
destiny of my conuntry.Sorry for my english and bye<br />
bye.  </p>
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		<title>By: johnrynne</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-56950</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if it&#039;s on a foreign server, they can hit the person who owns the blog if he/she is resident in their jurisdiction. There is also the whole issue of sharing personal data between the European Union and the US. Though Europe&#039;s data protection laws are admirable in their purpose, I believe that their actual implementation has a stifling effect, particularly on small firms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if it&#8217;s on a foreign server, they can hit the person who owns the blog if he/she is resident in their jurisdiction. There is also the whole issue of sharing personal data between the European Union and the US. Though Europe&#8217;s data protection laws are admirable in their purpose, I believe that their actual implementation has a stifling effect, particularly on small firms.</p>
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		<title>By: almilano</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-328314</link>
		<dc:creator>almilano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Italy is trying to gag bloggers again!

http://www.blogfromitaly.com/italys-politicians-try-to-ban-blogs-again/

Stop this please. Get Obama to remind Italy that it is a republic and a deomcracy!

Help Italy&#039;s bloggers now.

Alex Roe

Blog from Italy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Italy is trying to gag bloggers again!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blogfromitaly.com/italys-politicians-try-to-ban-blogs-again/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogfromitaly.com/italys-politicians-try-to-ban-blogs-again/</a></p>
<p>Stop this please. Get Obama to remind Italy that it is a republic and a deomcracy!</p>
<p>Help Italy&#8217;s bloggers now.</p>
<p>Alex Roe</p>
<p>Blog from Italy</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Deckard</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/10/22/italy-proposes-a-min.html#comment-57466</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Deckard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s already a &lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/005047.html&quot;&gt;Convent of Blogging&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s already a <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/005047.html">Convent of Blogging</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: gigi</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our italian politicians are under fibrillation.
A book ( La Casta) was recently published and in such a buck are clearly shown all privileges that many of our politicians and ex politicians are enjoying.
Cars with driver(s), planes, body-gards, high salaries, special pension, apartaments at a special price and many other benefits. Just un exemple:  the cost of our Republic President apparatus is 4 times the cost of the british crown.
Mr. Grillo has recently obtained, in one day only, about 300.000 signatures, all around Italy, for a proposed law to exclude from the Parliament all politicians with a previous conviction and to  limit at two elections the possibility to stay in the Parliament. For such a succes he was entitled with any possible epithet to minimize his community action.
Instead of to reduce the expences, starting from their privileges, thay are trying to stop a communication system which is out of their control. Italy is not far from Orwell forecast.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our italian politicians are under fibrillation.<br />
A book ( La Casta) was recently published and in such a buck are clearly shown all privileges that many of our politicians and ex politicians are enjoying.<br />
Cars with driver(s), planes, body-gards, high salaries, special pension, apartaments at a special price and many other benefits. Just un exemple:  the cost of our Republic President apparatus is 4 times the cost of the british crown.<br />
Mr. Grillo has recently obtained, in one day only, about 300.000 signatures, all around Italy, for a proposed law to exclude from the Parliament all politicians with a previous conviction and to  limit at two elections the possibility to stay in the Parliament. For such a succes he was entitled with any possible epithet to minimize his community action.<br />
Instead of to reduce the expences, starting from their privileges, thay are trying to stop a communication system which is out of their control. Italy is not far from Orwell forecast.  </p>
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