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	<title>Comments on: Radiohead DRM-free&#160;&quot;box-set&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: tanner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78855</link>
		<dc:creator>tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Radiohead are a bunch of cash-cows, and EMI is there to cash in.

Half the fun in buying a new (or old) Radiohead CD is thumbing through Stanley&#039;s artwork while listening to the music.

Not tempting in any way. I&#039;ll put my CDs in a box and be just as happy.

Oh, and I think they still believe their records should be listened to entirely through. They were recorded and assembled cohesively for a reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Radiohead are a bunch of cash-cows, and EMI is there to cash in.</p>
<p>Half the fun in buying a new (or old) Radiohead CD is thumbing through Stanley&#8217;s artwork while listening to the music.</p>
<p>Not tempting in any way. I&#8217;ll put my CDs in a box and be just as happy.</p>
<p>Oh, and I think they still believe their records should be listened to entirely through. They were recorded and assembled cohesively for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Walrus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78868</link>
		<dc:creator>Walrus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...putting shit everyone already owns into a box set...and then charging a ridiculous price for mp3 downloads of the same shit everyone already owns...and yet the mp3&#039;s which are gone as soon as your ipod/hard drive crashes, cost almost as much as the CD&#039;s.  Really?

How is this news?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;putting shit everyone already owns into a box set&#8230;and then charging a ridiculous price for mp3 downloads of the same shit everyone already owns&#8230;and yet the mp3&#8242;s which are gone as soon as your ipod/hard drive crashes, cost almost as much as the CD&#8217;s.  Really?</p>
<p>How is this news?</p>
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		<title>By: lily505</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78874</link>
		<dc:creator>lily505</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Radiohead may have had to at least sign off on the download and/or USB package. If EMI had rights to their songs as CDs or LPs or cassettes, they can probably repackage them any way they like -- in those formats. But new formats (like digital downloads, and the USB package) would be at least one separate format, possibly two, and a separate right or rights.  

No idea when Radiohead&#039;s contract or contracts were signed with EMI, but for at least the first album, it was probably years before anybody was thinking about these kinds of rights, and they woudln&#039;t have been in the original contract. So Radiohead would have had to sign amendments, or separate contracts, to allow EMI to release the early albums in new formats. 

Incidentally, this is one of the major issues in the current WGA strike -- there&#039;s conflict over the provisions for writer royalties in new formats like digital download.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Radiohead may have had to at least sign off on the download and/or USB package. If EMI had rights to their songs as CDs or LPs or cassettes, they can probably repackage them any way they like &#8212; in those formats. But new formats (like digital downloads, and the USB package) would be at least one separate format, possibly two, and a separate right or rights.  </p>
<p>No idea when Radiohead&#8217;s contract or contracts were signed with EMI, but for at least the first album, it was probably years before anybody was thinking about these kinds of rights, and they woudln&#8217;t have been in the original contract. So Radiohead would have had to sign amendments, or separate contracts, to allow EMI to release the early albums in new formats. </p>
<p>Incidentally, this is one of the major issues in the current WGA strike &#8212; there&#8217;s conflict over the provisions for writer royalties in new formats like digital download.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave X</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78882</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No idea when Radiohead&#039;s contract or contracts were signed with EMI, but for at least the first album, it was probably years before anybody was thinking about these kinds of rights, and they woudln&#039;t have been in the original contract. So Radiohead would have had to sign amendments, or separate contracts, to allow EMI to release the early albums in new formats.&quot;

From what I&#039;ve read, contracts often just say &quot;sound recordings&quot; and specifically indicate that this covers even formats not yet dreamed up. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No idea when Radiohead&#8217;s contract or contracts were signed with EMI, but for at least the first album, it was probably years before anybody was thinking about these kinds of rights, and they woudln&#8217;t have been in the original contract. So Radiohead would have had to sign amendments, or separate contracts, to allow EMI to release the early albums in new formats.&#8221;</p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve read, contracts often just say &#8220;sound recordings&#8221; and specifically indicate that this covers even formats not yet dreamed up. </p>
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		<title>By: LukeH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-79661</link>
		<dc:creator>LukeH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More evidence that the record label&#039;s favourite model is doomed.</description>
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		<title>By: lily505</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78912</link>
		<dc:creator>lily505</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;From what I&#039;ve read, contracts often just say &quot;sound recordings&quot; and specifically indicate that this covers even formats not yet dreamed up&quot;

Well, I&#039;m not in the music business, so standard contracts for it could well be different than contracts for other kinds of entertainment.  But if that&#039;s the case, how come Radiohead isn&#039;t on iTunes, when other EMI artists are?

And of course, since Radiohead is Radiohead, its entirely likely that they wouldn&#039;t have a standard contract in any case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;From what I&#8217;ve read, contracts often just say &#8220;sound recordings&#8221; and specifically indicate that this covers even formats not yet dreamed up&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m not in the music business, so standard contracts for it could well be different than contracts for other kinds of entertainment.  But if that&#8217;s the case, how come Radiohead isn&#8217;t on iTunes, when other EMI artists are?</p>
<p>And of course, since Radiohead is Radiohead, its entirely likely that they wouldn&#8217;t have a standard contract in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: maths</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-81757</link>
		<dc:creator>maths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More worryingly, in a sneaky move by EMI to cash in on Radioheadâ€™s popularity, EMI had been running a scam ad campaign on Google until the end of last week, purporting to already have the new Radiohead album â€œIn Rainbowsâ€ in boxset and CD versions for sale even before the official release in December. In an attempt to obviously mislead and cheat users, EMI used the phrase â€œRainbowâ€ in the ad which appears as a paid listing at the top of search results when users searched for the keyword â€œRadioheadâ€ in Google.
Clicking on the ad instead led users to EMI/ Parlophoneâ€™s own site selling Radioheadâ€™s back catalogue boxset of 7 albums with no sight of the promised new album â€œRainbowâ€.
Ultimately, this is not just about â€œIn Rainbowsâ€ or back catalogue sales only, but about a misleading ad by EMI seeking potential customers in a search environment in which the users are hitherto uninitiated about the product. Hence the users effort to search and find out more about the product in question instead leads them trickily to another place (even though we have to admit that this other place has fine products albeit an overpriced USB set) â€“ there are advertising laws against this practice.
More details here: http://www.music2dot0.com/archives/82</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More worryingly, in a sneaky move by EMI to cash in on Radioheadâ€™s popularity, EMI had been running a scam ad campaign on Google until the end of last week, purporting to already have the new Radiohead album â€œIn Rainbowsâ€ in boxset and CD versions for sale even before the official release in December. In an attempt to obviously mislead and cheat users, EMI used the phrase â€œRainbowâ€ in the ad which appears as a paid listing at the top of search results when users searched for the keyword â€œRadioheadâ€ in Google.<br />
Clicking on the ad instead led users to EMI/ Parlophoneâ€™s own site selling Radioheadâ€™s back catalogue boxset of 7 albums with no sight of the promised new album â€œRainbowâ€.<br />
Ultimately, this is not just about â€œIn Rainbowsâ€ or back catalogue sales only, but about a misleading ad by EMI seeking potential customers in a search environment in which the users are hitherto uninitiated about the product. Hence the users effort to search and find out more about the product in question instead leads them trickily to another place (even though we have to admit that this other place has fine products albeit an overpriced USB set) â€“ there are advertising laws against this practice.<br />
More details here: <a href="http://www.music2dot0.com/archives/82" rel="nofollow">http://www.music2dot0.com/archives/82</a></p>
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		<title>By: tanner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78952</link>
		<dc:creator>tanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if that&#039;s the case, how come Radiohead isn&#039;t on iTunes, when other EMI artists are?&quot;

Perhaps, and this is pure speculation, their contract states that mp3s can only be distributed as an entire album. If that were the case, iTunes would only be considered if they could offer that alternative. I&#039;m assuming they refused to change their rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if that&#8217;s the case, how come Radiohead isn&#8217;t on iTunes, when other EMI artists are?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps, and this is pure speculation, their contract states that mp3s can only be distributed as an entire album. If that were the case, iTunes would only be considered if they could offer that alternative. I&#8217;m assuming they refused to change their rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Marisa</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78999</link>
		<dc:creator>Marisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im not entirely sure that Radiohead is so militant about the album format anymore. This is an older interview (from 2003 http://www.magnetmagazine.com/archives/aryorke.html) but even then it sounds like Thom Yorke was letting it go.
Some choice quotes:
&quot;[Yorke:] To me, a lot of things that are wrong with the music business are structured around the concept of an album.&quot;
&quot;[Magnet:] Does it concern you when, for example, Apple comes out with iTunes, where you download one song for 99 cents?
No, weâ€™re so fucking into that. Weâ€™ve been trying to get the record company to do it for ages.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im not entirely sure that Radiohead is so militant about the album format anymore. This is an older interview (from 2003 <a href="http://www.magnetmagazine.com/archives/aryorke.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.magnetmagazine.com/archives/aryorke.html</a>) but even then it sounds like Thom Yorke was letting it go.<br />
Some choice quotes:<br />
&#8220;[Yorke:] To me, a lot of things that are wrong with the music business are structured around the concept of an album.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;[Magnet:] Does it concern you when, for example, Apple comes out with iTunes, where you download one song for 99 cents?<br />
No, weâ€™re so fucking into that. Weâ€™ve been trying to get the record company to do it for ages.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: AR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78766</link>
		<dc:creator>AR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This strategy is quite awesome, isnt&#039;it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This strategy is quite awesome, isnt&#8217;it ?</p>
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		<title>By: davidemery</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78773</link>
		<dc:creator>davidemery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, I&#039;m pretty sure that band still feels the same way - this is just a quick cash-in by EMI to ride the In Rainbows publicity.

- David
&lt;a href=&quot;http://de-online.co.uk&quot;&gt;de-online.co.uk&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, I&#8217;m pretty sure that band still feels the same way &#8211; this is just a quick cash-in by EMI to ride the In Rainbows publicity.</p>
<p>- David<br />
<a href="http://de-online.co.uk">de-online.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: igpajo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78774</link>
		<dc:creator>igpajo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Price seem a tad steep for the USB stick.  79.99 British pounds for the USB stick equals about $167 US.  I&#039;ve already got 6 of the 7 albums already so I&#039;ll be passing on it.  Kick ass packaging though.  Great stuff if you&#039;re a serious collector I guess.   
And since the band isn&#039;t signed with EMI anymore, this probably doesn&#039;t have their approval.  Seems like something thrown together by EMI to make another quick wad of cash off the band now that their grabbing headlines.  Kind of seems like the record company slapping back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Price seem a tad steep for the USB stick.  79.99 British pounds for the USB stick equals about $167 US.  I&#8217;ve already got 6 of the 7 albums already so I&#8217;ll be passing on it.  Kick ass packaging though.  Great stuff if you&#8217;re a serious collector I guess.<br />
And since the band isn&#8217;t signed with EMI anymore, this probably doesn&#8217;t have their approval.  Seems like something thrown together by EMI to make another quick wad of cash off the band now that their grabbing headlines.  Kind of seems like the record company slapping back.</p>
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		<title>By: UkuleleElvis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78776</link>
		<dc:creator>UkuleleElvis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why anyone would pay Â£34.99 for the &quot;digital box set&quot; is unthinkable! the albums on the digital download option are available only as 320kbps MP3 files - for that price they should at least be CD quality lossless audio. 

it&#039;s odd that for only Â£5 more you can buy the &quot;physical&quot; box set complete with lovely packaging, all the CD&#039;s, artwork/liner notes and of course CD quality audio. and as every ipod owner knows, they can rip the CD&#039;s into MP3 or lossless files anyway!

the digital box set should be offered at a much lower price - and despite the pretty packaging the physical box set should have included some radiohead rarities because the fans already own all this stuff. 

the only winner here is the USB stick - a unique collectable with all albums in lossless audio. hmmm... a limited edition radiohead &quot;bear logo&quot; USB? ...now THAT&#039;s something i do want! it&#039;s pricey but awesome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why anyone would pay Â£34.99 for the &#8220;digital box set&#8221; is unthinkable! the albums on the digital download option are available only as 320kbps MP3 files &#8211; for that price they should at least be CD quality lossless audio. </p>
<p>it&#8217;s odd that for only Â£5 more you can buy the &#8220;physical&#8221; box set complete with lovely packaging, all the CD&#8217;s, artwork/liner notes and of course CD quality audio. and as every ipod owner knows, they can rip the CD&#8217;s into MP3 or lossless files anyway!</p>
<p>the digital box set should be offered at a much lower price &#8211; and despite the pretty packaging the physical box set should have included some radiohead rarities because the fans already own all this stuff. </p>
<p>the only winner here is the USB stick &#8211; a unique collectable with all albums in lossless audio. hmmm&#8230; a limited edition radiohead &#8220;bear logo&#8221; USB? &#8230;now THAT&#8217;s something i do want! it&#8217;s pricey but awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: lukobe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78779</link>
		<dc:creator>lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said over at Amazon Earworm (http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKQJRKSY713VW1), this doesn&#039;t seem to be that great a deal. 

&quot;Â£79.99--or somewhere around $160--for a USB stick? Seems a bit overpriced to me....what&#039;s that work out to, nearly $23 per album? And I thought the rise of the net was supposed to bring music prices DOWN :)

I see the digital download is Â£34.99, so that means Â£45 for the stick itself, although the one is MP3s and the other is WAVs, so I suppose it isn&#039;t ALL for the stick--some of it is for higher fidelity.

Call me crazy, but I&#039;d still rather have the physical package for Â£39.99--around $11.50 per disc isn&#039;t that unreasonable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said over at Amazon Earworm (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKQJRKSY713VW1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKQJRKSY713VW1</a>), this doesn&#8217;t seem to be that great a deal. </p>
<p>&#8220;Â£79.99&#8211;or somewhere around $160&#8211;for a USB stick? Seems a bit overpriced to me&#8230;.what&#8217;s that work out to, nearly $23 per album? And I thought the rise of the net was supposed to bring music prices DOWN :)</p>
<p>I see the digital download is Â£34.99, so that means Â£45 for the stick itself, although the one is MP3s and the other is WAVs, so I suppose it isn&#8217;t ALL for the stick&#8211;some of it is for higher fidelity.</p>
<p>Call me crazy, but I&#8217;d still rather have the physical package for Â£39.99&#8211;around $11.50 per disc isn&#8217;t that unreasonable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: lukobe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78780</link>
		<dc:creator>lukobe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like I said over at Amazon Earworm (http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKQJRKSY713VW1), this doesn&#039;t seem to be that great a deal. 

&quot;Â£79.99--or somewhere around $160--for a USB stick? Seems a bit overpriced to me....what&#039;s that work out to, nearly $23 per album? And I thought the rise of the net was supposed to bring music prices DOWN :)

I see the digital download is Â£34.99, so that means Â£45 for the stick itself, although the one is MP3s and the other is WAVs, so I suppose it isn&#039;t ALL for the stick--some of it is for higher fidelity.

Call me crazy, but I&#039;d still rather have the physical package for Â£39.99--around $11.50 per disc isn&#039;t that unreasonable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I said over at Amazon Earworm (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKQJRKSY713VW1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNKQJRKSY713VW1</a>), this doesn&#8217;t seem to be that great a deal. </p>
<p>&#8220;Â£79.99&#8211;or somewhere around $160&#8211;for a USB stick? Seems a bit overpriced to me&#8230;.what&#8217;s that work out to, nearly $23 per album? And I thought the rise of the net was supposed to bring music prices DOWN :)</p>
<p>I see the digital download is Â£34.99, so that means Â£45 for the stick itself, although the one is MP3s and the other is WAVs, so I suppose it isn&#8217;t ALL for the stick&#8211;some of it is for higher fidelity.</p>
<p>Call me crazy, but I&#8217;d still rather have the physical package for Â£39.99&#8211;around $11.50 per disc isn&#8217;t that unreasonable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave X</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78810</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how everyone is STILL trying to set their own price, LOL</description>
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		<title>By: Domster</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78814</link>
		<dc:creator>Domster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the CDs have been rearranged into &quot;digipack&quot; cases, I think you&#039;ll also miss out on some of the original (awesome Stanley Donwood) artwork - I&#039;m particularly thinking of the &#039;hidden&#039; booklet that came with Amnesiac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the CDs have been rearranged into &#8220;digipack&#8221; cases, I think you&#8217;ll also miss out on some of the original (awesome Stanley Donwood) artwork &#8211; I&#8217;m particularly thinking of the &#8216;hidden&#8217; booklet that came with Amnesiac.</p>
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		<title>By: Torgrim</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2007/11/05/radiohead-drmfree-bo.html#comment-78834</link>
		<dc:creator>Torgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, this is a release by a label, so there is no way I&#039;m buying it. Let me buy directly from the artists instead.

OT: I agree with the idea that music should be listened to album-by-album, and from the first track to the last.</description>
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<p>OT: I agree with the idea that music should be listened to album-by-album, and from the first track to the last.</p>
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