Comments on: Poker bots could destroy online poker playing http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Wed, 22 May 2013 19:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: JIMWICh http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81677 JIMWICh Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81677 Pokerbots! This makes me weep with joy. As we said on Streettech.com back in the day... "Start Kissing Robot Ass Now" Pokerbots! This makes me weep with joy.

As we said on Streettech.com back in the day…

“Start Kissing Robot Ass Now”

]]> By: Steve Stair http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81187 Steve Stair Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81187 I don't play poker, but I would like to point out that writing a bot to play poker isn't cheating, it is only violating a rule of the online poker site. The bot plays the game just a human would, with no more advantage than anyone else (except for never making mistakes). I don’t play poker, but I would like to point out that writing a bot to play poker isn’t cheating, it is only violating a rule of the online poker site. The bot plays the game just a human would, with no more advantage than anyone else (except for never making mistakes).

]]> By: jim.cowling http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81193 jim.cowling Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81193 A computer can't be 100% optimal at poker, but if you have enough bots running enough games, they'll pay off and pay off well. I quit playing online poker when I realized that no human could possibly play 20+ tables at once -- and yet, several 'people' were doing so at any given time, even on the big sites like PokerStars. So I'd watch these 'players'. Sometimes they'd go bust, but more often that not they'd double or triple their stake and then move to another room. The people owning those accounts were making thousands of dollars per day, playing on low-limit tables. Between the bots, and the collusion between players, I was lucky to break even in my career. A computer can’t be 100% optimal at poker, but if you have enough bots running enough games, they’ll pay off and pay off well.

I quit playing online poker when I realized that no human could possibly play 20+ tables at once — and yet, several ‘people’ were doing so at any given time, even on the big sites like PokerStars.

So I’d watch these ‘players’. Sometimes they’d go bust, but more often that not they’d double or triple their stake and then move to another room. The people owning those accounts were making thousands of dollars per day, playing on low-limit tables.

Between the bots, and the collusion between players, I was lucky to break even in my career.

]]> By: Dave http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-894765 Dave Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-894765 And here we are almost 3 years later and Online Poker has not been destroyed by poker bots. Many people <a href="http://www.playpokerformoney.org/">Play Poker For Money</a> online, they have for many years, they will for many more. There have always been challenges to keep poker games honest. In this modern era of poker "the house" has the burden to keep the game square. In my opinion online poker is a fair game. Players are humans, and it is a contest of skill. Shuffle up and deal... And here we are almost 3 years later and Online Poker has not been destroyed by poker bots.

Many people Play Poker For Money online, they have for many years, they will for many more.

There have always been challenges to keep poker games honest. In this modern era of poker “the house” has the burden to keep the game square.

In my opinion online poker is a fair game. Players are humans, and it is a contest of skill.

Shuffle up and deal…

]]> By: drift marlo http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81476 drift marlo Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81476 Wow, I guess folk will just have to play like they did in the olden days - With actual people! Heaven forbid. Wow, I guess folk will just have to play like they did in the olden days – With actual people! Heaven forbid.

]]> By: pasan47 http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-189805 pasan47 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-189805 It’s just good. Poker bots! This makes me weep with joy. The poker sites can earn much money. Real players can improve there analytical knowledge. ..................... pasan Play The Poker League Today, the Poker League is Challenging, and Fun, for players at all levels with Added Cash and FREE Bonus Seats to Live Poker Tornaments Worldwide in 28 Selected Weekly Guaranteed MTT Tournaments, 4 Games a Day 7 Days a Week with a yearly prize pool of over €17 Million . http://www.CelebPoker.com It’s just good. Poker bots! This makes me weep with joy. The poker sites can earn much money. Real players can improve there analytical knowledge.

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]]> By: Karl Jones http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81288 Karl Jones Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81288 In related news, colossal Transformer-like killer mega-robots could destroy offline poker -- details at ten. In related news, colossal Transformer-like killer mega-robots could destroy offline poker — details at ten.

]]> By: StefanMcTierney http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81300 StefanMcTierney Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81300 The poker sites have too much money to be made, I'm sure if the problem becomes big enough they'll ban VNC, furthering the cat and mouse game. In the end, there's too much money to be lost if the players stop trusting the sites to provide human competition, I'm sure they will continue to pursue these things aggressively. Bots will probably always be around, but they'll require constant innovation to stay afloat, which will limit their numbers. But just an aside, a poker bot's ability to beat top pros has very little with a poker bot's ability to beat everyday people at low stakes games. Poor players play their cards and nothing else. Pros play their cards, what they think their opponents have, and what they think their opponents think they have. Which is why amateurs can frustrate pros, where plays that would work on other pros fail miserably against the "fish." The poker sites have too much money to be made, I’m sure if the problem becomes big enough they’ll ban VNC, furthering the cat and mouse game. In the end, there’s too much money to be lost if the players stop trusting the sites to provide human competition, I’m sure they will continue to pursue these things aggressively. Bots will probably always be around, but they’ll require constant innovation to stay afloat, which will limit their numbers.

But just an aside, a poker bot’s ability to beat top pros has very little with a poker bot’s ability to beat everyday people at low stakes games. Poor players play their cards and nothing else. Pros play their cards, what they think their opponents have, and what they think their opponents think they have. Which is why amateurs can frustrate pros, where plays that would work on other pros fail miserably against the “fish.”

]]> By: brundlefly http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81048 brundlefly Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81048 "it is possible for bots to randomize their strategies and even hire individual humans to run them." Wait... the bots can <em>hire</em> people?? *runs for hills* “it is possible for bots to randomize their strategies and even hire individual humans to run them.”

Wait… the bots can hire people??

*runs for hills*

]]> By: gyusan http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81067 gyusan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81067 Online poker ... <i>rigged</i>? I weep for the future. Online poker … rigged? I weep for the future.

]]> By: Michael A. Banks http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81113 Michael A. Banks Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81113 Ha! This will provide the incentive for someone to create the first program to pass the Turing test. --Mike Ha! This will provide the incentive for someone to create the first program to pass the Turing test.
–Mike

]]> By: naggs http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81114 naggs Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81114 "Indeed, our government might even think about subsidizing the development and use of these bots." that is far to forsighted and intelligent a response, it will never happen. if anything, the online gambling special intrest will get the governement to allow random searches of all online poker players! “Indeed, our government might even think about subsidizing the development and use of these bots.”

that is far to forsighted and intelligent a response, it will never happen.

if anything, the online gambling special intrest will get the governement to allow random searches of all online poker players!

]]> By: Prufrock451 http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81125 Prufrock451 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81125 So the government would launch autonomous software to destroy illegal sites by robbing its own citizens blind? I guess it's still more ethical than the CIA's drug smuggling. So the government would launch autonomous software to destroy illegal sites by robbing its own citizens blind?

I guess it’s still more ethical than the CIA’s drug smuggling.

]]> By: hemidemisemiquaver http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81136 hemidemisemiquaver Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81136 I've been hearing about this for a while. It's a cat and mouse game, with the casinos trying increasingly draconian measures to make sure you don't cheat. At this point every major poker site will scan your RAM and installed programs for traces of known poker bots, similar to Punkbuster and similar FPS anticheating platforms. And what did the cheaters do? simple, move the bot to another computer and have it control the poker game via VNC. A computer can't be 100% optimal at poker like it can at checkers, because of the uncertainty involved. Real human players do things like analyzing other players' personalities and categorizing them, or gauging moods. These are hard things for computers to do, but it's only a matter of time. At any rate, readily available software can still beat most fish out there, which worse news for a poker exec than finding out his flight has an unexpected layover in the US. I’ve been hearing about this for a while. It’s a cat and mouse game, with the casinos trying increasingly draconian measures to make sure you don’t cheat. At this point every major poker site will scan your RAM and installed programs for traces of known poker bots, similar to Punkbuster and similar FPS anticheating platforms. And what did the cheaters do? simple, move the bot to another computer and have it control the poker game via VNC.

A computer can’t be 100% optimal at poker like it can at checkers, because of the uncertainty involved. Real human players do things like analyzing other players’ personalities and categorizing them, or gauging moods. These are hard things for computers to do, but it’s only a matter of time.

At any rate, readily available software can still beat most fish out there, which worse news for a poker exec than finding out his flight has an unexpected layover in the US.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2007/11/12/poker-bots-could-des.html#comment-81148 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-81148 Or, the casinos can just have the system ask you a simple question every few random hands. Fail to answer corretly within a set amount of time and you are automatically removed from the game. Or, the casinos can just have the system ask you a simple question every few random hands. Fail to answer corretly within a set amount of time and you are automatically removed from the game.

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