Comments on: Leaked UK gov't doc reveals plan to "coerce" Brits into national ID register -- MIRROR THIS FILE!

By: americanLoki

americanLoki — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

By: o0oo00o0o

o0oo00o0o — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mirrored:
http://www.andrewjimenez.com/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: felsby

felsby — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

I live in a database state, Denmark. Our authorities have no need for dragging around (and losing) CD-romÂ´s with our bank data. Our CPR id makes it possible to run efficient health databases. The Danish Cancer Registry is unique, not least due to the efficient data mananging, made possible by the CPR system.
All our terrible databases have logged entries of course, making it possible to track breaches of privacy. Breaches happen everywhere, but in DK, the breacher actually gets spotted.
Instead of offering us indiscriminate whining, better start laying out a framework for database security.

By: Maurik

Maurik — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

uploaded here: http://rapidshare.com/files/87513307/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: jlbraun

jlbraun — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Note to American liberals like myself: This is what happens when they take your guns away. Don’t fall for it.

By: Cory Doctorow

Cory Doctorow — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Felsby, when I met with the CIOs of the Danish ministries two years ago, they explained to me that they do *not* use single numbers across agencies, do *not* log everyday transactions against the national ID number, etc — and then they told me why: “When the Nazis marched into Denmark, they went straight to our police stations and started going through the files.”

By: mhughes2k

mhughes2k — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mirrored here

By: spiregrain

spiregrain — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Here’s another. Don’t hit it too hard!

http://www.kenkil.plus.com/IPS/

By: ethan

ethan — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Not very efficient (or, judging from past experience, likely to stay there long if this gets any kind of attention), but I’ve made it available here.

http://www.box.net/shared/dw8r92ts80

By: ronbailey

ronbailey — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Here’s another

http://ronbailey.us/downloads/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: Eris Siva

Eris Siva — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Jeff said, “The fact that my country was attacked is valid, and that event changed a lot of people. Don’t try and discount it, please. I’m someone who lost a friend, a man who was turned to dust by an act of pure evil. Better security might very well have have prevented this from happening.”

We can argue about the “might haves” and “might have nots” all day. The point is that it didn’t help, and it still doesn’t help. We stop 5-year-olds and their grandmothers at the airport because of some ludicrous “no-fly” list. And yet reporters can sneak onto planes with explosive materials and swords…and this is after the “security increase”. The problem is the same with computer security – whenever you build a lock, someone is going to find a way around that lock. There is no stopping that.
No matter how strong you make the lock, or complex you make it, someone is going to find a way to get past. Making it more complicated isn’t going to stop the bad guys, its just going to stop the casual people who weren’t really going to try hard anyways.

So – we caught a dude with explosive shoes (that experts even said would have never exploded), a bunch of idiots trying to take down a military base with the gas line (experts also said their plan was so flawed, they would have never made it inside), and some crazies in Florida who were given money and weapons by the FBI to bomb the Sears Tower (also, would have never worked). So I guess that’s America: 3, Crazy People Who Are Kind-Of Terrorists: 0.

The point is, this is a really bad idea. Database breaches happen very often – even to sensitive and closed systems. We just had a meth dealer in possession of classified weapons designs from Los Alamos for goddess-sake. A hacker stole data from the Energy Department’s nuclear weapons agency. And a hacker used a freely-downloadable program to hack the FBI.

If you want to give your biometric information to a central database that can be easily hacked or used by a possibly (probably) corrupt future government – go ahead. That’s your decision. My decision is to keep urging everyone I know (and all their representatives) to fight against this threat to our country. You might think its ‘awesome’ to have to use one of these IDs to cross state lines when you want, or have to have one *and* be on a “fly-list” to move around the country on planes – but most people I know don’t.

Hopefully you someday realize that the government isn’t working to preserve your personal way of life – its working to preserve the society that feeds its gaping maw.

By: Takuan

Takuan — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

And then there is the relationship between the Cheney gang, Halliburton, KBR, SAIC ety etc ad nauseum.

By: ukcannonfodder

ukcannonfodder — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

i did find it submitted to digg!

http://digg.com/world_news/UK_gov_t_doc_reveals_plan_to_coerce_Brits_into_national_ID

By: toypaj

toypaj — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mirrored:

http://www.toypaj.com/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: danegeld

danegeld — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Most of the implementation will take place after the next general election in the UK. If you’re from there, vote for a party that will abolish this scheme.

By: toypaj

toypaj — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mirrored:

http://www.toypaj.com/no2id/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: lovemoose

lovemoose — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mirroring at http://chockwork.net/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: alphonze

alphonze — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

http://www.stagg.hk/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: ozten

ozten — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

This is about risk versus safety.

Unfortunately, our ability to evaluate these trade-offs in a balanced way has been completely lost since 9/11.

Neither incredibly evasive government ID / DB systems, nor limiting the amount of liquid you can fly with to 3 oz is worth their safety to freedom ratio.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ozten/2228776547/

By: aoctavio

aoctavio — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mirror in a third world country:

http://alfredo.octavio.net/files/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: bcc

bcc — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mirrored here:

http://spod.cx/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: johnrynne

johnrynne — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Get it here: http://rynne.org/article/119/

By: anthronaut

anthronaut — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Mirrored here: http://www.anthronaut.de/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: ScottMcG

ScottMcG — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Here’s another mirror…
http://www.globalspynetwork.com/?p=53

I remember when only the evil commies did this.

By: drivenbyboredom

drivenbyboredom — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

why not…
http://www.drivenbyboredom.com/NIS_Options_Analysis_Outcome.pdf

By: Eris Siva

Eris Siva — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

Various mirrors:

http://senduit.com/d95cdb (one week only, starting 01-29-08)

http://www.mediafire.com/?7ixexmnxeul

http://www.zshare.net/download/69851866add9a6/ (popups)

http://www.filefactory.com/file/737634/

By: jw2034

jw2034 — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

ah, you’ve misread the context that is is in. this may seem a trick and extreme but ‘coercion’ is a major watering down of the original proposal to make them compulsory by law. and it wont come in until 2012 at the earliest (pushed back from this year). further, even if people were still ‘coerced’ into getting them – with a passport for example – they still wouldnt be in any way mandatory; all they’d have is a Â£90 tea coaster!

essentially, the UK government doesnt have the political will – the current prime minister is supposedly very much less keen on it than Tony Blair – or capital, after various lost data calamities, to push ID cards on. the change to coercion is essentially the first step in burying the scheme for years or killing it off quietly (without questions as to the needless millions spent on it already!)

By: Bruno Figueiredo

Bruno Figueiredo — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

What are you British people so worried about? Most European states have national ID cards and we get along fine. I’m from Portugal, we have a national ID card and now we are beginning to get issued a citizen’s card. It’s an all in one health, drivers license, identity, social security and taxes card and we all welcome the convenience. What are you so afraid of?

By: Bruno Figueiredo

Bruno Figueiredo — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

By: Patrick Dodds

Patrick Dodds — Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000

The problems with the proposed database, aside from the fact that it makes no one safer:
1. As evidenced by companies like Experian (credit reference agency in the UK – private, but you can’t get a mortgage if they don’t like the look of you, plus, if you want what they have on you, you have to pay), the information isn’t looked at as being “owned” by the individual (Gov: “Can I have your data please?”); it is looked at as being the property of the Government (Gov: “We reserve the right not to tell you what we have on you”), and something they have a right to “coerce” from you.
2. The British gov have no idea how to secure a database (“Here kid, go and burn the entire child benefit database onto a couple of CDs and chuck it in the post would you, there’s a good boy”). This is the main reason the database of all the children in the UK (ContactPoint) isn’t such a good idea and why the NHS centralised record is an even worse idea (the posters from Denmark and Portugal have had other experiences but one strongly suspects that in the UK it will be nigh on impossible to find out who has been accessing “your” record: “Sorry sir, madam, you are not entitled to that and besides, we have no idea”).
3. The FaceBook model – it may be ok for a few photos and emails but for your DNA, address, bank details? Nah, think I’ll pass.