Comments on: L Ron Hubbard plagiarized Scientology? http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 21 May 2013 18:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: abernie http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133126 abernie Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133126 I have been wondering is Kirstie Alley's new diet program (she recently parted ways with Jenny Craig) will contain some tenets from Scientology. Maybe they are trying to expand the power base? I have been wondering is Kirstie Alley’s new diet program (she recently parted ways with Jenny Craig) will contain some tenets from Scientology. Maybe they are trying to expand the power base?

]]> By: andyhavens http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133382 andyhavens Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133382 Or you can find 1 of 43 copies the book at a library near you: http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2518944&referer=brief_results Or you can find 1 of 43 copies the book at a library near you:

http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/2518944&referer=brief_results

]]> By: MINIONSWEB http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133127 MINIONSWEB Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133127 You are soooo going to be on Tom Cruise' sh!tlist. All your Religion are belong to us! You are soooo going to be on Tom Cruise’ sh!tlist.
All your Religion are belong to us!

]]> By: certron http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133384 certron Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133384 According to this document http://www.aci.net/Kalliste/Jpar14.htm the name was changed from Dianetics (a cross between Diana and cybernetics) to Scientology for tax reasons. That, and I get to tie into a previous BoingBoing post about Jack Parsons :-) http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/11/book-review-strange-.html and again more recently, comment #8: http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/19/paranoia-magazine-in.html Sometimes, I love the Internet. According to this document http://www.aci.net/Kalliste/Jpar14.htm the name was changed from Dianetics (a cross between Diana and cybernetics) to Scientology for tax reasons.

That, and I get to tie into a previous BoingBoing post about Jack Parsons :-)
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/07/11/book-review-strange-.html
and again more recently, comment #8: http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/19/paranoia-magazine-in.html

Sometimes, I love the Internet.

]]> By: Agent 86 http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133134 Agent 86 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133134 @joel so, boing-boing <b>is</b> just a series of pipes? Does anyone know what Co$'s official party line is on this subject? @joel

so, boing-boing is just a series of pipes?

Does anyone know what Co$’s official party line is on this subject?

]]> By: AlsoAnon http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133145 AlsoAnon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133145 Please, Tom, take our offer. aa Please, Tom, take our offer.

aa

]]> By: Takuan http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133146 Takuan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133146 @9 Stories like that - which I have heard elsewhere - are the reason I do everything I can to destroy this evil cult. I have been asked in the past why I am so hostile to $cientology, because "after all, who are they hurting?" This is a prime example of who they hurt. Decent societies protect their weakest members. Decent humans do not cross over to the other side of the road. (that's a Samaritan reference , xtians take note) I agree; boycott Tom Cruise. He helps evil. Oh and you made a little typo there; that's "FUCK $cientology", "Fuch" is something else. @9
Stories like that – which I have heard elsewhere -
are the reason I do everything I can to destroy this evil cult. I have been asked in the past why I am so hostile to $cientology, because “after all, who are they hurting?” This is a prime example of who they hurt. Decent societies protect their weakest members. Decent humans do not cross over to the other side of the road. (that’s a Samaritan reference , xtians take note)

I agree; boycott Tom Cruise. He helps evil.

Oh and you made a little typo there; that’s “FUCK
$cientology”, “Fuch” is something else.

]]> By: Antinous http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133153 Antinous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133153 Wow. I didn't know that anyone else loathes Mr. Cruise as much as me. It figures that it's you. I've had it in for him for years, since I saw him interviewed on a talk show. He was telling a story, the gist of which was that they parked the Rolls on the yacht and it went overboard, isn't that hilaaarious. I, and from the sound of it, the audience were all thinking, "You could feed an whole African country for the money that you waste and laugh about." I'm not too thrilled about that closet thing, either. Wow. I didn’t know that anyone else loathes Mr. Cruise as much as me. It figures that it’s you. I’ve had it in for him for years, since I saw him interviewed on a talk show. He was telling a story, the gist of which was that they parked the Rolls on the yacht and it went overboard, isn’t that hilaaarious. I, and from the sound of it, the audience were all thinking, “You could feed an whole African country for the money that you waste and laugh about.” I’m not too thrilled about that closet thing, either.

]]> By: moonracer23 http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133158 moonracer23 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133158 just a post test since I've never been able to post on here with my account. just a post test since I’ve never been able to post on here with my account.

]]> By: Andy Nonymous http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133220 Andy Nonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133220 you can read the original german text at google books: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2knknf you can read the original german text at google books:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/2knknf

]]> By: cinemajay http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133226 cinemajay Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133226 So, if CoS has been suing the pants off of people for "copyright infringement" all these years when one of their secrets gets out--then all of the judgements in those cases should be overturned--since they were themselves infringing on copyright. Yes? So, if CoS has been suing the pants off of people for “copyright infringement” all these years when one of their secrets gets out–then all of the judgements in those cases should be overturned–since they were themselves infringing on copyright.

Yes?

]]> By: NikFromNYC http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-135278 NikFromNYC Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-135278 KILL FOR A THRILL KILL FOR A THRILL

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-797039 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-797039 Scientology = evil cult Scientology = evil cult

]]> By: nanuq http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133235 nanuq Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133235 "So, if CoS has been suing the pants off of people for "copyright infringement" all these years when one of their secrets gets out--then all of the judgements in those cases should be overturned--since they were themselves infringing on copyright" It's the COS. They could always claim that the earlier book is ripping off Hubbard's work from an earlier incarnation. If the estate of Alfred Korzybski hasn't been able to sue for Hubbard's plagiarism of Dianetics, nobody else has a chance. “So, if CoS has been suing the pants off of people for “copyright infringement” all these years when one of their secrets gets out–then all of the judgements in those cases should be overturned–since they were themselves infringing on copyright”

It’s the COS. They could always claim that the earlier book is ripping off Hubbard’s work from an earlier incarnation.

If the estate of Alfred Korzybski hasn’t been able to sue for Hubbard’s plagiarism of Dianetics, nobody else has a chance.

]]> By: Jeff http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133750 Jeff Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133750 I don't think there's anything inherently worse about Scientology than any other weirdo cult. It's just that the US has nice tax laws that cults can take advantage of--as would any good capitalist. There's a sucker born every minute. And it's not like people can't make up their own minds. I don’t think there’s anything inherently worse about Scientology than any other weirdo cult. It’s just that the US has nice tax laws that cults can take advantage of–as would any good capitalist. There’s a sucker born every minute. And it’s not like people can’t make up their own minds.

]]> By: jdw242b http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133770 jdw242b Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133770 @EarthBornIcarus: I have a friend that has a partial library of the red and green books plus all of Hubbards blue lecture tapes, and several comm course books. He didn't require me to study the texts, but to work for him I had to do the comm course, and everything associated with it, and our conversations usually ended up on the topic of being on course. I'm not unhappy with the results of the comm course, however, some of the higher level texts are so sci-fi that they bend out of reason into just plain crazy. The whole Xenu thing doesn't jibe with me on a beingness level. I do believe the basic idea of Scientology can help people, if you remove the cultish over the shoulder, big brother, you gotta do this or else, over bearing-ness they put upon pre clears. If it were totally voluntary, anyone could benefit from it. Let us all remember that Hubbard did say that Religion is where the money is at. @EarthBornIcarus:

I have a friend that has a partial library of the red and green books plus all of Hubbards blue lecture tapes, and several comm course books.
He didn’t require me to study the texts, but to work for him I had to do the comm course, and everything associated with it, and our conversations usually ended up on the topic of being on course.
I’m not unhappy with the results of the comm course, however, some of the higher level texts are so sci-fi that they bend out of reason into just plain crazy. The whole Xenu thing doesn’t jibe with me on a beingness level.

I do believe the basic idea of Scientology can help people, if you remove the cultish over the shoulder, big brother, you gotta do this or else, over bearing-ness they put upon pre clears. If it were totally voluntary, anyone could benefit from it.

Let us all remember that Hubbard did say that Religion is where the money is at.

]]> By: jdw242b http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133771 jdw242b Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133771 one last thing: <a href="http://www.xenu.net/">Operation Clambake</a> one last thing:

Operation Clambake

]]> By: SlyBevel http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133264 SlyBevel Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133264 I'm not convinced that the doctrines of Scientology came from this. And "Scientologia" would be a pretty standard term in near-middle English. I'd need to see some textual parallels to really dig this groove. I’m not convinced that the doctrines of Scientology came from this. And “Scientologia” would be a pretty standard term in near-middle English. I’d need to see some textual parallels to really dig this groove.

]]> By: Merlin Silk http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133535 Merlin Silk Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133535 This is so funny, there Mr. Hubbard plagiarizes Mr. Nordenholze's ideas and now Mr. Miscarriage (uhh, Miscavige, I keep making this mistake!) is rewriting his works to his own interpretation. Currently he still says that is all done in Hubbard's spirit and these are now the books as Hubbard wanted them. How can all these Scientologists believe that Hubbard never checked his own books and noticed that there was something wrong with them? How come there has to come a Mr. Miscarriage (see, I did that again!) twenty years after his death and finally put it right? I am sure that this is only transitional, that eventually it will be revealed that Mr. Miscarriage (damn, again!) was an adviser to Hubbard in an earlier incarnation, maybe even Nordenholz???) and that it's actually his books - and THAT'S why he knows so exactly what Hubbard really meant when he wrote something rather different. This Miscavige (now I got it right!) version of the scientology scripture is actually a very interesting subject. I had heard that there are missions out and about more or less confiscating old version of those books and selling the 'correct' version. But read the story at www.DelphiParents.com about an ex Scio who had his son in the Scio-cadre school Delphi Academy from which he was expelled when his father's SP-ness came out. For me one of the wildest things was at the end, where actually a mission of three clean-cut scientology missionaries come to his house to sell him the Miscarriage version of all the scientology book for a measly 3k$ - sell it to an SP, who's son they had just kicked out of school! WOW - these masters of Ethics and personal integrity! This is so funny, there Mr. Hubbard plagiarizes Mr. Nordenholze’s ideas and now Mr. Miscarriage (uhh, Miscavige, I keep making this mistake!) is rewriting his works to his own interpretation.

Currently he still says that is all done in Hubbard’s spirit and these are now the books as Hubbard wanted them. How can all these Scientologists believe that Hubbard never checked his own books and noticed that there was something wrong with them? How come there has to come a Mr. Miscarriage (see, I did that again!) twenty years after his death and finally put it right?

I am sure that this is only transitional, that eventually it will be revealed that Mr. Miscarriage (damn, again!) was an adviser to Hubbard in an earlier incarnation, maybe even Nordenholz???) and that it’s actually his books – and THAT’S why he knows so exactly what Hubbard really meant when he wrote something rather different.

This Miscavige (now I got it right!) version of the scientology scripture is actually a very interesting subject. I had heard that there are missions out and about more or less confiscating old version of those books and selling the ‘correct’ version. But read the story at http://www.DelphiParents.com about an ex Scio who had his son in the Scio-cadre school Delphi Academy from which he was expelled when his father’s SP-ness came out. For me one of the wildest things was at the end, where actually a mission of three clean-cut scientology missionaries come to his house to sell him the Miscarriage version of all the scientology book for a measly 3k$ – sell it to an SP, who’s son they had just kicked out of school!
WOW – these masters of Ethics and personal integrity!

]]> By: EarthBornIcarus http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133283 EarthBornIcarus Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133283 This is amusing. I escaped from a scient(horror)ology-off shoot group started by one of Hubbards "clears". I had access to some very disturbing videotape of Hubbard, and it still shocks and amazes me that people are so easily caught by the bizarre sci-fi tale that he uses to lure people "up the levels" to 0t3 etc. I guess they have done a good job hiding the crazy last bits, until the poor dupe is so brain-washed already that he/she can accept just about anything. What is really sad is that all that extreme effort and energy could have been used to create a truly good idea for helping people get "clear" about life when they are confused. Go, little psychopathic narcissists, go. This is amusing. I escaped from a scient(horror)ology-off shoot group started by one of Hubbards “clears”. I had access to some very disturbing videotape of Hubbard, and it still shocks and amazes me that people are so easily caught by the bizarre sci-fi tale that he uses to lure people “up the levels” to 0t3 etc. I guess they have done a good job hiding the crazy last bits, until the poor dupe is so brain-washed already that he/she can accept just about anything.

What is really sad is that all that extreme effort and energy could have been used to create a truly good idea for helping people get “clear” about life when they are confused.

Go, little psychopathic narcissists, go.

]]> By: tanner http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133030 tanner Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133030 really? no comments? really? no comments?

]]> By: censor http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133036 censor Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133036 for epic win, <a href="http://digg.com/world_news/Scientology_not_invented_by_Hubbard">digg this</a>! for epic win, digg this!

]]> By: Mr. Gunn http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133040 Mr. Gunn Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133040 Before everyone gets all excited, read the comments on the forum. They're saying that there's a list of things he plagiarized from, but this probably wasn't it. Before everyone gets all excited, read the comments on the forum. They’re saying that there’s a list of things he plagiarized from, but this probably wasn’t it.

]]> By: LadyD http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-137141 LadyD Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-137141 I can't confirm what I am about to write. However I was told by a woman years ago, that she knew for afact that Scientology was created one drunken night when LRON and some of his scifi writer friends started discussing "If science fiction had a religion what would it be like." Interesting thought,huh. Maybe some of you have heard this,maybe not. I am always fasinated by anything how easy it is for people to follow. Wonder how many Scientologist are in key gov't posotions. I can’t confirm what I am about to write. However I was told by a woman years ago, that she knew for afact that Scientology was created one drunken night when LRON and some of his scifi writer friends started discussing “If science fiction had a religion what would it be like.”

Interesting thought,huh. Maybe some of you have heard this,maybe not.

I am always fasinated by anything how easy it is for people to follow.
Wonder how many Scientologist are in key gov’t posotions.

]]> By: arttoys http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133055 arttoys Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133055 I thought it was L. Ron Hubbard. I thought it was L. Ron Hubbard.

]]> By: Songe http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133057 Songe Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133057 Give the guy some credit. Give the guy some credit.

]]> By: arkizzle http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133068 arkizzle Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133068 #1 I tried posting almost the exact same comment on this for about 1/2 an hour on and off.. I've gotten a persistent "server dropped connection" on the 'dynamic.boingboing.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-comments.cgi' page for certain topics over the last week or so.. So, everyone who made any sort of clever comment on ANY thread over the last week.. I thought of it first! ;p #1 I tried posting almost the exact same comment on this for about 1/2 an hour on and off..

I’ve gotten a persistent “server dropped connection” on the ‘dynamic.boingboing.net/cgi-bin/mt/mt-comments.cgi’ page for certain topics over the last week or so..

So, everyone who made any sort of clever comment on ANY thread over the last week.. I thought of it first! ;p

]]> By: arkizzle http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133071 arkizzle Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133071 #3 Also from the forum comments: "" <i> The English-language term "Scientology" originated neither with Hubbard nor Nordenholz, but with philologist Allen Upward, who coined the term in 1907 to ridicule pseudoscientific theories.</i> "" #3

Also from the forum comments:

“” The English-language term “Scientology” originated neither with Hubbard nor Nordenholz, but with philologist Allen Upward, who coined the term in 1907 to ridicule pseudoscientific theories. “”

]]> By: Jeff http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133073 Jeff Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133073 Going through Boing Boing posting withdrawl....need to post now... So, how come it's taken so long for someone to clue into this example of Creative unCommons plagerism...? Going through Boing Boing posting withdrawl….need to post now…

So, how come it’s taken so long for someone to clue into this example of Creative unCommons plagerism…?

]]> By: Sensoz http://boingboing.net/2008/02/27/l-ron-hubbard-plagia.html#comment-133337 Sensoz Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-133337 Nice, Boingboing linking to Enturbulation. Our revolution is getting recognition! Nice, Boingboing linking to Enturbulation. Our revolution is getting recognition!

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