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	<title>Comments on: Do coat hangers sound as good as Monster&#160;cables?</title>
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		<title>By: usagizero</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135937</link>
		<dc:creator>usagizero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All i know is that my pet rabbits tend not to go after the monster cables, the cheaper ones don&#039;t last one glance from them. I&#039;ve since secured the rooms the cables are in, but i&#039;ll pay more for them not getting eaten or the rabbits being hurt. 

On a related note, i wish all electronics had simple replaceable power cords. I&#039;m sick to death of the ones permanently attached to the unit. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All i know is that my pet rabbits tend not to go after the monster cables, the cheaper ones don&#8217;t last one glance from them. I&#8217;ve since secured the rooms the cables are in, but i&#8217;ll pay more for them not getting eaten or the rabbits being hurt. </p>
<p>On a related note, i wish all electronics had simple replaceable power cords. I&#8217;m sick to death of the ones permanently attached to the unit. </p>
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		<title>By: ehamiter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135942</link>
		<dc:creator>ehamiter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?s=97d4a3c39d247bf955a57b3953326a34&amp;p=15412&amp;postcount=28&quot;&gt;Link to the post in question&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135945</link>
		<dc:creator>Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &quot;a coat hanger is not very durable, flexible and is not designed be protected or shielded from noise and electric fields.&quot;

  Oh, NOW you tell us --I just modded my studio to the new spec and now there are coats strewn  everywhere. Oh, and the NOISE! DAMN YOU ELECTRICAL FIELDS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> &#8220;a coat hanger is not very durable, flexible and is not designed be protected or shielded from noise and electric fields.&#8221;</p>
<p>  Oh, NOW you tell us &#8211;I just modded my studio to the new spec and now there are coats strewn  everywhere. Oh, and the NOISE! DAMN YOU ELECTRICAL FIELDS!</p>
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		<title>By: Tadmeister</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136458</link>
		<dc:creator>Tadmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Do Monster cables dry as fast as coat hangers?&lt;/b&gt;
What you folks should try is hanging your clothes with Monster Cable. It actually dries your clothes faster and keeps it wrinkle free. But make sure it&#039;s 16 gauge or bigger &#039;cause anything below that is negligible. The heat conduction of the thicker copper allows for better temperature dissipation of water molecules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Do Monster cables dry as fast as coat hangers?</b><br />
What you folks should try is hanging your clothes with Monster Cable. It actually dries your clothes faster and keeps it wrinkle free. But make sure it&#8217;s 16 gauge or bigger &#8217;cause anything below that is negligible. The heat conduction of the thicker copper allows for better temperature dissipation of water molecules.</p>
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		<title>By: paulatz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135947</link>
		<dc:creator>paulatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve an old-style HiFi at home, one of those composed of big solid metal boxes with one component each (tuner, tape player, cd player, amplifier, vinyl); my father has always used standard electric wires to connect the loudspeakers, I have never noticed any difference compared to HiFis using expensive cables.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve an old-style HiFi at home, one of those composed of big solid metal boxes with one component each (tuner, tape player, cd player, amplifier, vinyl); my father has always used standard electric wires to connect the loudspeakers, I have never noticed any difference compared to HiFis using expensive cables.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Damage</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135952</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Damage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;He says his brother ran an experiment on him and four other audio aficionados listening to a new CD from a new group blindfolded.&quot;

Maybe it was just a crappy album.  How good could it be if the group was blindfolded?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He says his brother ran an experiment on him and four other audio aficionados listening to a new CD from a new group blindfolded.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe it was just a crappy album.  How good could it be if the group was blindfolded?</p>
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		<title>By: noahpoah</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135954</link>
		<dc:creator>noahpoah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The kicker? None of the subjects even knew that coat hangers were going to be used.&lt;/i&gt;

This would be a better kicker if the people &lt;b&gt;did&lt;/b&gt; know that on, say, half the trials, er.., songs, there was a coat hanger while on the other half, there was a monster cable, yet they still couldn&#039;t tell the difference.

&lt;i&gt;To be specific: the part of the brain associated with taste did not change, but the part of the brain associated with how much we enjoy that taste did change. Expectation changes perception at a very real physiological level.&lt;/i&gt;

I loves me some high-tech phrenology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The kicker? None of the subjects even knew that coat hangers were going to be used.</i></p>
<p>This would be a better kicker if the people <b>did</b> know that on, say, half the trials, er.., songs, there was a coat hanger while on the other half, there was a monster cable, yet they still couldn&#8217;t tell the difference.</p>
<p><i>To be specific: the part of the brain associated with taste did not change, but the part of the brain associated with how much we enjoy that taste did change. Expectation changes perception at a very real physiological level.</i></p>
<p>I loves me some high-tech phrenology.</p>
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		<title>By: ill lich</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136471</link>
		<dc:creator>ill lich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>old news, but it&#039;s tough to convince some people, after all &quot;if it&#039;s got GOLD on the tips it MUST be better. . .  right?&quot;

I always just buy extension chords and slice off the ends: way cheaper, way sturdier, and easy to get lengths you can actually use.

With regards to batteries in stompboxes-- many of us keep an almost-dead 9volt around for special recording purposes, it provides a unique sound in distortion boxes: the signal falls apart and breaks up, but of course it only last a few minutes before the battery totally dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>old news, but it&#8217;s tough to convince some people, after all &#8220;if it&#8217;s got GOLD on the tips it MUST be better. . .  right?&#8221;</p>
<p>I always just buy extension chords and slice off the ends: way cheaper, way sturdier, and easy to get lengths you can actually use.</p>
<p>With regards to batteries in stompboxes&#8211; many of us keep an almost-dead 9volt around for special recording purposes, it provides a unique sound in distortion boxes: the signal falls apart and breaks up, but of course it only last a few minutes before the battery totally dies.</p>
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		<title>By: padster123</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135962</link>
		<dc:creator>padster123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An otherwise intelligent friend of mine swears by expensive little inserts for his CD player tray that supposedly reduce static on CDs. Yes, optical CDs. How the hell would static affect a reflected laser beam? Sadly, &quot;high-end&quot; audio is a hotbed of over-priced nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An otherwise intelligent friend of mine swears by expensive little inserts for his CD player tray that supposedly reduce static on CDs. Yes, optical CDs. How the hell would static affect a reflected laser beam? Sadly, &#8220;high-end&#8221; audio is a hotbed of over-priced nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: dewaltanabe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136476</link>
		<dc:creator>dewaltanabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried that and that&#039;s bogus. The only way to go are the Moster CH-EX&#039;s. They are all gold-plated with the hook at precisely 90 degrees to negate any magnetic fields created if you are using the cheap fabric softener. It also helps to use the optional LP motor that rotates the hanger at 45 rpm for more even drying. Of course you need to use only high quality 9V batteries. Not that cheap Radio Shack stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried that and that&#8217;s bogus. The only way to go are the Moster CH-EX&#8217;s. They are all gold-plated with the hook at precisely 90 degrees to negate any magnetic fields created if you are using the cheap fabric softener. It also helps to use the optional LP motor that rotates the hanger at 45 rpm for more even drying. Of course you need to use only high quality 9V batteries. Not that cheap Radio Shack stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Songe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135967</link>
		<dc:creator>Songe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a good recap of speaker-wire history:
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

One of the lead engineers at McIntosh rigged up a test box that switched between different huge long coils of different wires, nobody could tell the diff. The only thing you need to make sure of is that the gauge of the wire is sufficient for the length of the run and the impedance of the speaker - however this only seems to come into play over long cable runs.

I think that the main reason there are so many speaker wire scams out there is because hifi boutiques don&#039;t make any money on amps or loudspeakers. They need a few high-margin items to stay in business - and the manufacturers know it, as do reviewers. It is in the interest of everyone but the buying public to know about this. 

If people want to buy it...who cares. Some of the cables look pretty cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a good recap of speaker-wire history:<br />
<a href="http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm</a></p>
<p>One of the lead engineers at McIntosh rigged up a test box that switched between different huge long coils of different wires, nobody could tell the diff. The only thing you need to make sure of is that the gauge of the wire is sufficient for the length of the run and the impedance of the speaker &#8211; however this only seems to come into play over long cable runs.</p>
<p>I think that the main reason there are so many speaker wire scams out there is because hifi boutiques don&#8217;t make any money on amps or loudspeakers. They need a few high-margin items to stay in business &#8211; and the manufacturers know it, as do reviewers. It is in the interest of everyone but the buying public to know about this. </p>
<p>If people want to buy it&#8230;who cares. Some of the cables look pretty cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Songe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135969</link>
		<dc:creator>Songe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly I wish we could just ditch the RCA and go with XLR cables, like the pros do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly I wish we could just ditch the RCA and go with XLR cables, like the pros do.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrkev</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135970</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrkev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 mentioned the skin effect.  That is complete BS for any audio application.  At audio frequencies, the &quot;skin&quot; is thick enough to easily cover even the largest of wires.

For those that don&#039;t know, AC signals tend to restrict themselves to the outside of a circular cable.  At the hundreds-of-MHz range, this can be significant.  At audio frequencies, no effect whatsoever.

As far as using zip cord (lamp cord), there is a matter of quality.  Bare copper will eventually corrode.  If you plug in the speakers and then leave them for a decade or two, and the environment is just wrong (say, a house near the beach), then you might find that the wire has corroded itself to the connector.  Better cables tend to have thicker, tougher jackets, gold-plated connectors (which resist corrosion), shielding (not important for speakers, but can be for almost everything else) and generally better quality.  I have also seen the insulation on some old, cheap cable crack and break away.  Also, if you are running speakers in the middle-to-high three digit wattages, you might want thicker cables to reduce the I^2/R losses.  Quality is definately worth paying for, up to a point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 mentioned the skin effect.  That is complete BS for any audio application.  At audio frequencies, the &#8220;skin&#8221; is thick enough to easily cover even the largest of wires.</p>
<p>For those that don&#8217;t know, AC signals tend to restrict themselves to the outside of a circular cable.  At the hundreds-of-MHz range, this can be significant.  At audio frequencies, no effect whatsoever.</p>
<p>As far as using zip cord (lamp cord), there is a matter of quality.  Bare copper will eventually corrode.  If you plug in the speakers and then leave them for a decade or two, and the environment is just wrong (say, a house near the beach), then you might find that the wire has corroded itself to the connector.  Better cables tend to have thicker, tougher jackets, gold-plated connectors (which resist corrosion), shielding (not important for speakers, but can be for almost everything else) and generally better quality.  I have also seen the insulation on some old, cheap cable crack and break away.  Also, if you are running speakers in the middle-to-high three digit wattages, you might want thicker cables to reduce the I^2/R losses.  Quality is definately worth paying for, up to a point.</p>
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		<title>By: DulaMan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136228</link>
		<dc:creator>DulaMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bahawahaha!  That is sooooo funny.

Best Buy and the like always sell this Monster Cable stuff and its way overhyped and overpriced.

I bet even PLASTIC coat hangers can be just as good as Monster too!  LOL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bahawahaha!  That is sooooo funny.</p>
<p>Best Buy and the like always sell this Monster Cable stuff and its way overhyped and overpriced.</p>
<p>I bet even PLASTIC coat hangers can be just as good as Monster too!  LOL.</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135974</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18

He actually may have a point here, as the static can intefere with the specific voodoo-coefficient on high-end optical media.</description>
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<p>He actually may have a point here, as the static can intefere with the specific voodoo-coefficient on high-end optical media.</p>
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		<title>By: Phloodpants</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-135983</link>
		<dc:creator>Phloodpants</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This madness extends well beyond speaker wires and interconnects. Power cords are another scam to separate you from your money.

Here&#039;s a screed I wrote some years ago on an speaker builder&#039;s forum. One of the posters was bragging about the $200 amplifier power cable he had just bought and how much it improved the sound. &quot;Opened up&quot; was the term I believe...

------snip---------

It&#039;s more than just your power cable!

As long as you&#039;re replacing the 4 feet of power cable from the system to the wall, you should consider replacing all the cheap 12ga wiring in your walls with solid silver wire. Remember, a system is only as good as it&#039;s weakest link! 

The circuit breakers in your home should have gold plated contacts. As for the circuit breakers, I find that Cutler-Hammer breakers sound much better than Square-D. They have a warmer, more lifelike sound. Some people prefer old fashioned fuses, but I think they sound slow.

The wire from your breaker box to the transformer on the telephone pole outside is usually inferior as well. I would suggest 1000 strand silver 2 gauge wire with a teflon jacket for this. It costs a couple hundred dollars per foot, but the results are well worth it! As a bonus, your socks come out whiter in the wash!

If you can, talk to the power company about upgrading the wires that go to the power grid in your neighborhood. Everyone within a square mile of your house will thank you for it when the sound and picture coming from their televisions improves tenfold!

Also, if you are a multi-billionaire, you have the option of paying the power companies to upgrade the high tension power distribution wires in your state. Since this is a high voltage application in excess of 50,000 volts, only the best will do! Copper shielded silver wire with braided gold plated magnesium outer layers works well in this application. Also, if your high tension power distribution line must cross other high tension lines, (especially inferior consumer grade lines) railroad tracks or rivers wider than 6 feet, then do so at a perpendicular angle. This may require the relocation of some high tension towers and the appropriation of additional farmland or nature preserve areas, but hey, we are seeking perfection! (Tip! Replacing the cheap ceramic insultors hanging from the towers with ones from Waterford Crystal is a worthwhile upgrade!)

This is very important! I&#039;ll say it again. The quality of the system is only as good as it&#039;s weakest link!

Then again, all this may be unnecessary. Depending on the distance to your power plant, it may be more effective for you to build your own power plant on site. This will save you billions in wire costs while shortening the length of your wire greatly. It has the additional benefit of being dedicated to your particular audiophile setup! You can choose whichever power generation technology that suits your system. - Coal, gas, hydro, nuclear, etc. - 
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the sound of a coal power plant over nuclear, but if you are a sold state user, you may prefer nuclear or hydro. Solar or wind I&#039;m afraid is out of the question. It just doesn&#039;t have the peak current capability necessary for truly high end equipment! Solar power also suffers from a &quot;space noise&quot; problem that comes from the solar panels absorbing spurious radiation from sun spots, distant stars, pulsars, quasars and especially black holes. Black holes especially cause a sort of &quot;suckout&quot; in the sound of string instruments. I can hear this effect when there is black hole acting up on a solar powered system.

I suppose there are naysayers out there who will say that I can&#039;t &quot;scientifically prove&quot; any of this, but what has science ever done for us?

Well, I can&#039;t prove any of it, and I don&#039;t need to! I can hear the difference because I have a golden ear. If I want to spend my money on things like this and I think it sounds better, then who are the objectivists to say I can&#039;t enjoy it?

There are strange powers in the universe that affect our audio systems that our puny brains are far too feeble to understand! The best we can do is tweak things until we are emotionally satisfied with the results. Do not try to understand why. Just enjoy the music!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This madness extends well beyond speaker wires and interconnects. Power cords are another scam to separate you from your money.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a screed I wrote some years ago on an speaker builder&#8217;s forum. One of the posters was bragging about the $200 amplifier power cable he had just bought and how much it improved the sound. &#8220;Opened up&#8221; was the term I believe&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;snip&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s more than just your power cable!</p>
<p>As long as you&#8217;re replacing the 4 feet of power cable from the system to the wall, you should consider replacing all the cheap 12ga wiring in your walls with solid silver wire. Remember, a system is only as good as it&#8217;s weakest link! </p>
<p>The circuit breakers in your home should have gold plated contacts. As for the circuit breakers, I find that Cutler-Hammer breakers sound much better than Square-D. They have a warmer, more lifelike sound. Some people prefer old fashioned fuses, but I think they sound slow.</p>
<p>The wire from your breaker box to the transformer on the telephone pole outside is usually inferior as well. I would suggest 1000 strand silver 2 gauge wire with a teflon jacket for this. It costs a couple hundred dollars per foot, but the results are well worth it! As a bonus, your socks come out whiter in the wash!</p>
<p>If you can, talk to the power company about upgrading the wires that go to the power grid in your neighborhood. Everyone within a square mile of your house will thank you for it when the sound and picture coming from their televisions improves tenfold!</p>
<p>Also, if you are a multi-billionaire, you have the option of paying the power companies to upgrade the high tension power distribution wires in your state. Since this is a high voltage application in excess of 50,000 volts, only the best will do! Copper shielded silver wire with braided gold plated magnesium outer layers works well in this application. Also, if your high tension power distribution line must cross other high tension lines, (especially inferior consumer grade lines) railroad tracks or rivers wider than 6 feet, then do so at a perpendicular angle. This may require the relocation of some high tension towers and the appropriation of additional farmland or nature preserve areas, but hey, we are seeking perfection! (Tip! Replacing the cheap ceramic insultors hanging from the towers with ones from Waterford Crystal is a worthwhile upgrade!)</p>
<p>This is very important! I&#8217;ll say it again. The quality of the system is only as good as it&#8217;s weakest link!</p>
<p>Then again, all this may be unnecessary. Depending on the distance to your power plant, it may be more effective for you to build your own power plant on site. This will save you billions in wire costs while shortening the length of your wire greatly. It has the additional benefit of being dedicated to your particular audiophile setup! You can choose whichever power generation technology that suits your system. &#8211; Coal, gas, hydro, nuclear, etc. &#8211;<br />
Call me old fashioned, but I prefer the sound of a coal power plant over nuclear, but if you are a sold state user, you may prefer nuclear or hydro. Solar or wind I&#8217;m afraid is out of the question. It just doesn&#8217;t have the peak current capability necessary for truly high end equipment! Solar power also suffers from a &#8220;space noise&#8221; problem that comes from the solar panels absorbing spurious radiation from sun spots, distant stars, pulsars, quasars and especially black holes. Black holes especially cause a sort of &#8220;suckout&#8221; in the sound of string instruments. I can hear this effect when there is black hole acting up on a solar powered system.</p>
<p>I suppose there are naysayers out there who will say that I can&#8217;t &#8220;scientifically prove&#8221; any of this, but what has science ever done for us?</p>
<p>Well, I can&#8217;t prove any of it, and I don&#8217;t need to! I can hear the difference because I have a golden ear. If I want to spend my money on things like this and I think it sounds better, then who are the objectivists to say I can&#8217;t enjoy it?</p>
<p>There are strange powers in the universe that affect our audio systems that our puny brains are far too feeble to understand! The best we can do is tweak things until we are emotionally satisfied with the results. Do not try to understand why. Just enjoy the music!</p>
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		<title>By: Tadmeister</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136499</link>
		<dc:creator>Tadmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to differ. The gold plated tips will only cause less friction on the base hanging component (the clothes line or closet bar). This will adversely affect optimal torque for the LP motor, roughly giving a drag coefficient of 0.03 Mus. The motor needs to sustain a minimum of 0.1267 ft/lbs per complete rotation in order for the nitrogen molecules to bond. I find that rubber tips work best.

However, in a partial vacuum, the gold plating might be of some use. I think that&#039;s up for more discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to differ. The gold plated tips will only cause less friction on the base hanging component (the clothes line or closet bar). This will adversely affect optimal torque for the LP motor, roughly giving a drag coefficient of 0.03 Mus. The motor needs to sustain a minimum of 0.1267 ft/lbs per complete rotation in order for the nitrogen molecules to bond. I find that rubber tips work best.</p>
<p>However, in a partial vacuum, the gold plating might be of some use. I think that&#8217;s up for more discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136244</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ghod. Analogue USB sounds so much better than Digital USB.</description>
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		<title>By: Tadmeister</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136504</link>
		<dc:creator>Tadmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeWaltanabe-- have you even TRIED the Radio Shack platinum plated tip 9V batteries?</description>
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		<title>By: dewaltanabe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136506</link>
		<dc:creator>dewaltanabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where did you get your GED?
The CH Society of America in 2006 already presupposes that gold plating will reduce the rise time when given a step input of 47 joules. In particular when taking into account the Stern and Linvil stability factors, you cannot deduce that rubber tips would suffice. The Gaussian response would be horrific!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where did you get your GED?<br />
The CH Society of America in 2006 already presupposes that gold plating will reduce the rise time when given a step input of 47 joules. In particular when taking into account the Stern and Linvil stability factors, you cannot deduce that rubber tips would suffice. The Gaussian response would be horrific!</p>
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		<title>By: spazzm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136002</link>
		<dc:creator>spazzm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Phloodpants, I enjoyed that.</description>
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		<title>By: NikFromNYC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136003</link>
		<dc:creator>NikFromNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a big elephant in the room here. Coat hangers. Most high school kids don&#039;t have any; most college kids have ones that were collected from their parent&#039;s dry-cleaning service; and then one fine day, you go out and buy a box of good cigars, a case of vintage 1994 port wine, and heavy, formed and varnished coat hangers. Do these *work* better than just piling your pressed suits or t-shirts in a piles on an old pine bookcase? No. But do you feel better in your clothes? That&#039;s a rhetorical question, the same question of whether *entry* level &quot;high-end&quot; audio cables ($100 vs. $20K for the &quot;religious&quot; ones) &quot;sound better&quot; than lamp cord? Besides, coat hangers are a very unfair comparison. They are solid, very high gauge wire, not available in *flexible* spools. No wonder they sound awesome!

The number one improvement you could do for a stereo is to run it off of a series of car batteries that you charge at night, and rip out any transformers. I run a battery-operated (el-cheapo) SONY CD portable player as my &quot;drive&quot; but it has a DIGITAL optical cable output that I run through a high end (but no longer sold so the ones these days are likely quite better) digital-to-audio converter, and use high end class-A (transistors always on so it&#039;s always hot), run through $80/each cables, to coaxial driver speakers. In other words, for $5000, I&#039;m at the point of no further return except for another $1000 for a single penny&#039;s worth of improvement.

But the worst, utterly worst aspect of the history of &quot;high end audiophilia&quot; is that their standard measure of performance was how close a stereo system (always with only two speakers back in the day!) was how close it came to a &quot;live performance.&quot; In other words it was just classical music, since all modern music is electronically generated or modified anyway. Ever heard a *live* Pink Floyd concert? Or even Prince concert? Come on, guys, you go to see the performance, to connect emotionally to the performer, not to hear the very distorted and echo-filled audio along with ten thousand screaming fans, a hundred who are within stone&#039;s throw of your delicate ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a big elephant in the room here. Coat hangers. Most high school kids don&#8217;t have any; most college kids have ones that were collected from their parent&#8217;s dry-cleaning service; and then one fine day, you go out and buy a box of good cigars, a case of vintage 1994 port wine, and heavy, formed and varnished coat hangers. Do these *work* better than just piling your pressed suits or t-shirts in a piles on an old pine bookcase? No. But do you feel better in your clothes? That&#8217;s a rhetorical question, the same question of whether *entry* level &#8220;high-end&#8221; audio cables ($100 vs. $20K for the &#8220;religious&#8221; ones) &#8220;sound better&#8221; than lamp cord? Besides, coat hangers are a very unfair comparison. They are solid, very high gauge wire, not available in *flexible* spools. No wonder they sound awesome!</p>
<p>The number one improvement you could do for a stereo is to run it off of a series of car batteries that you charge at night, and rip out any transformers. I run a battery-operated (el-cheapo) SONY CD portable player as my &#8220;drive&#8221; but it has a DIGITAL optical cable output that I run through a high end (but no longer sold so the ones these days are likely quite better) digital-to-audio converter, and use high end class-A (transistors always on so it&#8217;s always hot), run through $80/each cables, to coaxial driver speakers. In other words, for $5000, I&#8217;m at the point of no further return except for another $1000 for a single penny&#8217;s worth of improvement.</p>
<p>But the worst, utterly worst aspect of the history of &#8220;high end audiophilia&#8221; is that their standard measure of performance was how close a stereo system (always with only two speakers back in the day!) was how close it came to a &#8220;live performance.&#8221; In other words it was just classical music, since all modern music is electronically generated or modified anyway. Ever heard a *live* Pink Floyd concert? Or even Prince concert? Come on, guys, you go to see the performance, to connect emotionally to the performer, not to hear the very distorted and echo-filled audio along with ten thousand screaming fans, a hundred who are within stone&#8217;s throw of your delicate ears.</p>
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		<title>By: zzatz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136009</link>
		<dc:creator>zzatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all lamp cable is suitable for speaker use. The copper is fine, but some insulators are better than others. Vinyl and rubber corrode copper. Teflon is great, polypropylene works very well, and I&#039;m sure there others that are acceptable. Good speaker wire can be cheap, but not all cheap wire is good for use with speakers.

Corrosion may not matter if you use solder or gas-tight crimp connectors. But it does matter for the usual clip or compression type speaker connectors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all lamp cable is suitable for speaker use. The copper is fine, but some insulators are better than others. Vinyl and rubber corrode copper. Teflon is great, polypropylene works very well, and I&#8217;m sure there others that are acceptable. Good speaker wire can be cheap, but not all cheap wire is good for use with speakers.</p>
<p>Corrosion may not matter if you use solder or gas-tight crimp connectors. But it does matter for the usual clip or compression type speaker connectors.</p>
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		<title>By: dewaltanabe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136522</link>
		<dc:creator>dewaltanabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I have Tadmeister: I do realize that Radio Shack does use a rare manganese dioxide. Their system of synthesis is difficult but they have manages to overcome the problems associated with a heterogeneous reagent. As you may recall, pyrolusite is a difficult reagent especially when oxidizing allylic alcohols. I prefer to fabricate my own batteries to increase the thermal coefficent of resistivity so that the increase heat will help to dry my sweaters faster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I have Tadmeister: I do realize that Radio Shack does use a rare manganese dioxide. Their system of synthesis is difficult but they have manages to overcome the problems associated with a heterogeneous reagent. As you may recall, pyrolusite is a difficult reagent especially when oxidizing allylic alcohols. I prefer to fabricate my own batteries to increase the thermal coefficent of resistivity so that the increase heat will help to dry my sweaters faster.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136526</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you have the makings for a great &quot;tech talk&quot; cable access show ..... it would have a huge cult following</description>
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		<title>By: morcheeba</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136019</link>
		<dc:creator>morcheeba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought some nice speakers used, and each speaker has separate wiring for the bass and the tweeter. You can run these to two different amplifiers, use two sets of cables to one amplifier, or just connect them together at the speaker and wire them normally. The speakers come with a special gold-plated brass plate for this last option, but I was surprised to see that the original owner had used the heavy-duty staples from the box... still covered in varnish. At least it wasn&#039;t going to rust on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought some nice speakers used, and each speaker has separate wiring for the bass and the tweeter. You can run these to two different amplifiers, use two sets of cables to one amplifier, or just connect them together at the speaker and wire them normally. The speakers come with a special gold-plated brass plate for this last option, but I was surprised to see that the original owner had used the heavy-duty staples from the box&#8230; still covered in varnish. At least it wasn&#8217;t going to rust on him.</p>
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		<title>By: NikFromNYC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136023</link>
		<dc:creator>NikFromNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh lord, I forgot to mention so many things. The computer setup for iTunes and my iPod setup. Both are just $275 add-ons, one having it&#039;s own very good DAC (digital-to-audio-converter) that hooks up by digital USB, and the other using the already good DAC within 5G or earlier iPods, but which is *not* contained with the latest 6G ones. Those so far have *no* solution available to get good audio out of them (via a dock/pre-amp/volume control such as http://www.psiberaudio.com/catalogue.htm) , no matter how high of MP3 bitrate you use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh lord, I forgot to mention so many things. The computer setup for iTunes and my iPod setup. Both are just $275 add-ons, one having it&#8217;s own very good DAC (digital-to-audio-converter) that hooks up by digital USB, and the other using the already good DAC within 5G or earlier iPods, but which is *not* contained with the latest 6G ones. Those so far have *no* solution available to get good audio out of them (via a dock/pre-amp/volume control such as <a href="http://www.psiberaudio.com/catalogue.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.psiberaudio.com/catalogue.htm</a>) , no matter how high of MP3 bitrate you use.</p>
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		<title>By: dewaltanabe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136540</link>
		<dc:creator>dewaltanabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might be worth a try Takuan. If it would  promote the kind of cutting edge science discussed here, the altruistic impact on our global society would be limitless. If we could just minimize the eddy currents in our power cables we could reduce the skin effect and really &quot;open up&quot; the sound of speakers across the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be worth a try Takuan. If it would  promote the kind of cutting edge science discussed here, the altruistic impact on our global society would be limitless. If we could just minimize the eddy currents in our power cables we could reduce the skin effect and really &#8220;open up&#8221; the sound of speakers across the world.</p>
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		<title>By: worlock93</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-140900</link>
		<dc:creator>worlock93</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t buy extension cords, you can get the same cable by the foot at any major hardware store in the electrical foot.  It&#039;s way cheaper that way.

The problem with monster cable is they&#039;ve take something valid and twisted it to sell a product.  If you go into any decent studio or any other audio intensive location you&#039;ll find that  the money they spend on cables is astronomical.  Of course they aren&#039;t paying for gas impregnated wire, sealed by vestal virgins that is somehow (through divine intervention maybe?) going to make everything sound better.  What they are actually paying for is the construction quality. How well it&#039;s shielded, stress strength, connector assembly, strand thickness etc.  Cabling in a commercial location can take a lot of abuse depending on the application and these are valid concerns.   All these things have almost nil to do with your average consumer, who in the case of speakers, is going to jam the wire into the speaker and stereo and then tack or tuck the wire away inconspicuously and not touch it again for years.  Copper wire is copper wire.  Of course, I&#039;ll never forget the guy who tried to tell me that speaker wire was polarized and the wire with the stripe HAD to go in the black terminal and the unstriped wire HAD to go in the red slot.  Any explanation from me that the wires just had to go straight through and the stripe was just there as a guide so you didn&#039;t cross them was met with a brief silence and then a dismissive: &quot;You just don&#039;t know ANYTHING about hi-fi electronics!&quot;    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t buy extension cords, you can get the same cable by the foot at any major hardware store in the electrical foot.  It&#8217;s way cheaper that way.</p>
<p>The problem with monster cable is they&#8217;ve take something valid and twisted it to sell a product.  If you go into any decent studio or any other audio intensive location you&#8217;ll find that  the money they spend on cables is astronomical.  Of course they aren&#8217;t paying for gas impregnated wire, sealed by vestal virgins that is somehow (through divine intervention maybe?) going to make everything sound better.  What they are actually paying for is the construction quality. How well it&#8217;s shielded, stress strength, connector assembly, strand thickness etc.  Cabling in a commercial location can take a lot of abuse depending on the application and these are valid concerns.   All these things have almost nil to do with your average consumer, who in the case of speakers, is going to jam the wire into the speaker and stereo and then tack or tuck the wire away inconspicuously and not touch it again for years.  Copper wire is copper wire.  Of course, I&#8217;ll never forget the guy who tried to tell me that speaker wire was polarized and the wire with the stripe HAD to go in the black terminal and the unstriped wire HAD to go in the red slot.  Any explanation from me that the wires just had to go straight through and the stripe was just there as a guide so you didn&#8217;t cross them was met with a brief silence and then a dismissive: &#8220;You just don&#8217;t know ANYTHING about hi-fi electronics!&#8221;    </p>
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		<title>By: ROSSINDETROIT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/03/03/do-coat-hangers-soun.html#comment-136037</link>
		<dc:creator>ROSSINDETROIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an audio geek with a large box full of expensive speaker cables and interconnects in the closet from experimenting with them years ago.  Anyone want to buy a Highwire Cable Wrap, a metal spiral that goes around a power cable to tune its resonances?
  I determined that at best I might be able to tell a slight difference between one and another interconnect cable, but that I definitely did not care about that difference.
I want to point out from a procedural standpoint that it is possible to construct a test between two things that masks actual differences.  At the dawn of recorded sound it was &#039;proved&#039; through blind testing that an Edison Grammophone was indistinguishable from a live singer.  That claim was widely accepted at that time, but is no longer.
Regarding cables carrying digital signals (SPDIF Coaxial), they may have the same RCA plug on both ends as an analog cable, but to work properly it should have far greater bandwidth.  Digital signals need a conductor with Ghz range BW to avoid distortion because they&#039;re basically VHF square waves and theoretically contain harmonics of infinite frequency.  A normal analog audio cable may *work* for SPDIF, but many have enough capacitance to seriously distort digital signals and introduce conversion jitter because there&#039;s no clean leading edge to get a clock signal from. This is actual testable physics, not snakeoil.

I can and do make whatever interconnect, power cable or speaker cable I need based on the application.  Length, cost and durability of connectors matter most to me after decades of hooking stuff up and unhooking it.
And I second the poster who hates attached power cords.  They&#039;re either too long or too short and always in the way.  I will never build another piece of gear with that ankle-wrapping lasso hanging off the back of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an audio geek with a large box full of expensive speaker cables and interconnects in the closet from experimenting with them years ago.  Anyone want to buy a Highwire Cable Wrap, a metal spiral that goes around a power cable to tune its resonances?<br />
  I determined that at best I might be able to tell a slight difference between one and another interconnect cable, but that I definitely did not care about that difference.<br />
I want to point out from a procedural standpoint that it is possible to construct a test between two things that masks actual differences.  At the dawn of recorded sound it was &#8216;proved&#8217; through blind testing that an Edison Grammophone was indistinguishable from a live singer.  That claim was widely accepted at that time, but is no longer.<br />
Regarding cables carrying digital signals (SPDIF Coaxial), they may have the same RCA plug on both ends as an analog cable, but to work properly it should have far greater bandwidth.  Digital signals need a conductor with Ghz range BW to avoid distortion because they&#8217;re basically VHF square waves and theoretically contain harmonics of infinite frequency.  A normal analog audio cable may *work* for SPDIF, but many have enough capacitance to seriously distort digital signals and introduce conversion jitter because there&#8217;s no clean leading edge to get a clock signal from. This is actual testable physics, not snakeoil.</p>
<p>I can and do make whatever interconnect, power cable or speaker cable I need based on the application.  Length, cost and durability of connectors matter most to me after decades of hooking stuff up and unhooking it.<br />
And I second the poster who hates attached power cords.  They&#8217;re either too long or too short and always in the way.  I will never build another piece of gear with that ankle-wrapping lasso hanging off the back of it.</p>
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