Mark Frauenfelder at 2:03 pm Mon, Apr 7, 2008
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I know that personal experience is not a substitute for a scientific study. However, blithely stating the odds of getting psychosis from LSD is .4% is equally unscientific. Are you talking about repeated doses, or one trip? Makes a big difference. Are you talking about someone who knows about important stuff like set and setting, or just a random sample of LSD users?
I’m not trying to be alarmist. Just saying that caution should be taken.
Popular opinion is that psylocybin mushrooms are not as strong as LSD, therefore safer. But, I stick to my contention that one must be cautions. Even with shrooms. Know yourself, know what your dealing with.
“had their brains permanently damaged”
I don’t doubt this, but I’m sure there is more to the story than that. For most people it would be good advice to: Take Set and Setting very seriously. Plan your environment like you were launching a NASA rocket, make sure your source is very clean, and work up to the large dosages over time (see also: Acid Trip Better Planned than Vacation).
tobacco and alcohol swing their scythes with abandon, and some worry about LSD?
i take exception to that. or maybe i accept it. what were we talking about? wow, look at the trails…
Devil: “HAW HAW HAW!”
I don’t think this looks enough of a chick tract: everyone looks human, the backgrounds are too good, there are no talking windows, random dog-and-cat action and fails to patronize the reader as a moronic heathen.
I give it a 3/10 on parody/satire points, but a 10 on the awesome scale.
I hope it is more effective than chick tracts in turning our youth on to god!
#22, DRTED: “Plan your environment like you were launching a NASA rocket”
I’d rather stick to < 0.4% chance of failure.
Oops. Forgot I was writing HTML.
Entheogens ARE god! Rick Doblin and MAPS freekin roxxx! was i excited to see my old friend in comic form? hells yes! peace out boingers!-minTphresh
LSD does cause brain damage because its effects are caused through the restricting of blood flow to the brain. The reason you don’t see this in any experiments is because few if any experiments have been done due to its difficulty in getting licensed to do. They didnt have MRI in the 50s and 60s. But those of us who have had friends effected by this drug know first hand.
To paraphrase the sage Homer Simpson, “Could Jesus be tripping so hard that He Himself could not come down from it?”
I think for most people, using LSD and similar drugs becomes a redundant experience after several uses. Having said that everyone should try it at least once in their lifetimes. Also, if you’re an artist or writer the stuff is like roto-rooter if you’re suffering from a creative block.
My favorite part is that Dr. Hoffman, after trying LSD for the first time, rode home on his bicycle. How many scientists today a) experiment on themselves, and b) commute via bicycle? The golden age is truly behind us.
Also, according to Wikipedia, LSD did not, as the comic claims, help “cure” Bill Wilson (founder of Alcoholics Anonymous) of alcoholism, though he did experiment with it as a possible cure for alcoholism to help others. Wilson was sober from 1935, well before the invention of LSD, until his death until 1971. He attributed his sobriety to a spiritual experience.
I see here a lot of cheering for LSD and other psychedelics, and little emphasis on the dangers. Some people very close to me had their brains permanently damaged by the use of LSD, and suffered greatly from the psychosis it caused.
Be careful! Strong psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin can be dangerous. Do your research, and know what you are doing before trying these types of drugs.
Look at it this way: Saw all those religious references in the comic? Well, meeting god face to face is not something to be taken casually.
Cool! As far as I know, they’ve actually done a great job at reducing the history of LSD to a few panels. Very accurate.
I SO want some of these as actual tracks to put out around town! HElarious.
Awesome Comic! I was just viewing it when my computer incidentally played Close Your Eyes by ChemBros, and reading the strip made me feel reallaaxed. Great find Mark!
That would make a really thick Chick tract.
LSD is like accepting someone else’s point of view…scary!
This is funny, I want to print my own now!
and some one pointed out the dangers of LSD:
yes LSD is dangerous, but psilocybin mushrooms are not as dangerous as LSD
Great stuff–there’s even a cameo by Rick Doblin! (Yay, MAPS!)
If there’s one thing I don’t like, though, it’s the shoehorning in of the term “entheogen,” which is a total PC cop-out replacement for the already appropriate “psychedelic.” I’m an atheist, so excuse me if I don’t think “mind manifesting” substances “generate the *god* within.” Is it too much to ask to leave god out of LSD? (Not that I don’t believe psychedelics can give a *spiritual* experience, in the manner Sam Harris uses the term.)
if you don’t accept LSD into your life right now, you’re going to hell.
LSD releases what’s already inside you. It’s no one else’s point of view but your own.
As for LSD being more or less dangerous than psilocibin mushrooms, it’s important to be clear how you mean “dangerous.” Both substances have very low effective doses and very high lethal doses, so it’s unlikely a person could poison themselves though taking either substance recreationally. (However, you should obviously use caution, especially with shrooms, if you can’t be certain that you’re actually taking what you think you’re taking.) How a person could get brain damage from taking either of these substances is a complete mystery; there is no clinical evidence of this ever happening. And while there is some evidence of psychological problems arising from psychedelic use, this has been blown out of all proportion by the anti-drug crowd. I think it was Terence McKenna who said something like “psychedelic drugs cause psychosis in people who don’t take them.” Food for thought.
So how are psychedelics dangerous then? They’re clearly most dangerous as inoculations against groupthink. If you are a part of a cultural agency that promotes group thinking over free thought, then psychedelics can be very dangerous. LSD and psilocibin, in the words of McKenna, “dissolve bounderies,” meaning agencies that promote divisive paradigms (“Us vs. Them” agencies like religions and many political and nationalistic groups) are at risk when youth, the pool of people they are most likely to recruit from, use these substances. So they’re pretty dangerous in that sense.
rather, LSD-25, in some circumstances, with some people,at some times, enables the seeing of what is already there
If you don’t except the King James version of LSD right now, you’re going to hell
“Some people very close to me had their brains permanently damaged by the use of LSD”
Those are some long odds because you have like a .4% chance of getting psychosis from LSD, and not all of that is permanent (not sure on the numbers for that)
so if you know more than one you have some unlucky friends.
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