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	<title>Comments on: Virgin Media CEO: Net neutrality is &quot;bollocks,&quot; promises to breach agreement with&#160;customers</title>
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		<title>By: WeightedCompanionCube</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-166912</link>
		<dc:creator>WeightedCompanionCube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agent 86 - I think it has a lot to do with the context. Cory posts about dumping Virgin here, it reads a lot like an entry on a personal blog. By the time it gets reposted on another site, the opinion is that it&#039;s some guy ranting about something, which isn&#039;t really newsworthy.

Digg and Slashdot don&#039;t really relate to people (just like many diggers and slashdotters!) It doesn&#039;t matter how famous someone is, you&#039;ll get a lot of comments along the lines of &quot;Who really cares what Bob/Linus/Cory/etc.. had for breakfast&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agent 86 &#8211; I think it has a lot to do with the context. Cory posts about dumping Virgin here, it reads a lot like an entry on a personal blog. By the time it gets reposted on another site, the opinion is that it&#8217;s some guy ranting about something, which isn&#8217;t really newsworthy.</p>
<p>Digg and Slashdot don&#8217;t really relate to people (just like many diggers and slashdotters!) It doesn&#8217;t matter how famous someone is, you&#8217;ll get a lot of comments along the lines of &#8220;Who really cares what Bob/Linus/Cory/etc.. had for breakfast&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: arampus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164097</link>
		<dc:creator>arampus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really surprised that you have taken the reported words of a new CEO as cause enough to try and start a campaign. I&#039;d rather wait to see outcomes. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really surprised that you have taken the reported words of a new CEO as cause enough to try and start a campaign. I&#8217;d rather wait to see outcomes. </p>
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		<title>By: maestrosync</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164099</link>
		<dc:creator>maestrosync</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His &#039;bus lane&#039; comment succinctly demonstrates exactly why net neutrality is so important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His &#8216;bus lane&#8217; comment succinctly demonstrates exactly why net neutrality is so important.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-958980</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a customer of Be I can recommend them as they&#039;ve been our ISP for over 3 years now and we&#039;ve had no trouble with our connection.

I do, however, have a comment to make about some ISPs. A while back I chose to take a Masters in Networks and Distributed Systems and during our term we were visited by a leading telecoms provider and were told the realities of telecom/ISP pricing models. In a nutshell, your ISP can offer you close to 100% of it&#039;s bandwidth capacity but chooses to only offer you 50% because MOST customers would be happy with 50% as they a) don&#039;t need more bandwidth and b) couldn&#039;t tell whether they were getting a good deal or not!

ISPs are running a business where they still believe they are offering a premium service. It&#039;s up to us to convince governments that the world has moved on and the internet is no longer a &quot;premium service&quot;; it&#039;s an essential form of communication as much as the telephone.

A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a customer of Be I can recommend them as they&#8217;ve been our ISP for over 3 years now and we&#8217;ve had no trouble with our connection.</p>
<p>I do, however, have a comment to make about some ISPs. A while back I chose to take a Masters in Networks and Distributed Systems and during our term we were visited by a leading telecoms provider and were told the realities of telecom/ISP pricing models. In a nutshell, your ISP can offer you close to 100% of it&#8217;s bandwidth capacity but chooses to only offer you 50% because MOST customers would be happy with 50% as they a) don&#8217;t need more bandwidth and b) couldn&#8217;t tell whether they were getting a good deal or not!</p>
<p>ISPs are running a business where they still believe they are offering a premium service. It&#8217;s up to us to convince governments that the world has moved on and the internet is no longer a &#8220;premium service&#8221;; it&#8217;s an essential form of communication as much as the telephone.</p>
<p>A</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164357</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain/internet/speed/&quot;&gt;dispute resolution process at OfCom&lt;/a&gt; (the Office of Communications), which should have some power over Virgin Media.

&quot;Telecommunications

Landline telecoms, mobile telecoms and broadband are becoming increasingly competitive, with new products and lower prices for businesses and consumers.

Ofcom seeks to ensure that companies are able to compete fairly and that businesses and consumers benefit from the choice of a broad range of services. We take action to protect consumers from unfair practices;&quot;

Regrettably, and interestingly, Virgin Media is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.otelo.org.uk/membercompanies.php&quot;&gt;not a member of Otelo (Office of the Telecommunications Ombudsman)&lt;/a&gt; which seems to have slightly more power and be more effective. Virgin Mobile, however, *is* a member...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also a <a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/complain/internet/speed/">dispute resolution process at OfCom</a> (the Office of Communications), which should have some power over Virgin Media.</p>
<p>&#8220;Telecommunications</p>
<p>Landline telecoms, mobile telecoms and broadband are becoming increasingly competitive, with new products and lower prices for businesses and consumers.</p>
<p>Ofcom seeks to ensure that companies are able to compete fairly and that businesses and consumers benefit from the choice of a broad range of services. We take action to protect consumers from unfair practices;&#8221;</p>
<p>Regrettably, and interestingly, Virgin Media is <a href="http://www.otelo.org.uk/membercompanies.php">not a member of Otelo (Office of the Telecommunications Ombudsman)</a> which seems to have slightly more power and be more effective. Virgin Mobile, however, *is* a member&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: nex</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164102</link>
		<dc:creator>nex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory, I&#039;m keeping my fingers crossed for the cancellation of your contract, please keep us updated on how it goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory, I&#8217;m keeping my fingers crossed for the cancellation of your contract, please keep us updated on how it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: fylateri</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164103</link>
		<dc:creator>fylateri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dropped Telewest (now the &#039;better&#039; half of NTL^H^H^HVirgin Media) for Internet service four years ago.

I ditched them for many reasons, amongst them:

-broken transparent proxying
-random service outages in the middle of the night that lasted 2+ hours with no warning or subsequent explanation
-asymmetric upstream smaller than it should be to use the downstream properly
-consistent failure to reach claimed downstream speeds
-customer service from hell - even better with NTL
-dodgy pricing if you don&#039;t take their TV service
-phone line not optional, and subject to frequent outages

I have ADSL from Zen now, works fine unless it rains for a few days thanks to my leaky BT line.

Virgin Media has a lot more in common with Virgin Trains than their planes.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dropped Telewest (now the &#8216;better&#8217; half of NTL^H^H^HVirgin Media) for Internet service four years ago.</p>
<p>I ditched them for many reasons, amongst them:</p>
<p>-broken transparent proxying<br />
-random service outages in the middle of the night that lasted 2+ hours with no warning or subsequent explanation<br />
-asymmetric upstream smaller than it should be to use the downstream properly<br />
-consistent failure to reach claimed downstream speeds<br />
-customer service from hell &#8211; even better with NTL<br />
-dodgy pricing if you don&#8217;t take their TV service<br />
-phone line not optional, and subject to frequent outages</p>
<p>I have ADSL from Zen now, works fine unless it rains for a few days thanks to my leaky BT line.</p>
<p>Virgin Media has a lot more in common with Virgin Trains than their planes.</p>
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		<title>By: Agent 86</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164105</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent 86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Theoretically, I&#039;m locked into a Virgin plan for another six months, but as far as I&#039;m concerned, they&#039;ve just announced that they&#039;re violating the agreement by announcing that the services I can reach will be systematically slowed down unless they pay Virgin extra. That means that we&#039;re now null and void.&quot;

I wonder if that argument will hold water. Let us know, and record your call for our convenience (and probable laughter)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Theoretically, I&#8217;m locked into a Virgin plan for another six months, but as far as I&#8217;m concerned, they&#8217;ve just announced that they&#8217;re violating the agreement by announcing that the services I can reach will be systematically slowed down unless they pay Virgin extra. That means that we&#8217;re now null and void.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if that argument will hold water. Let us know, and record your call for our convenience (and probable laughter)!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Brown</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164106</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had to guess I&#039;d say this is related to the whole iPlayer bandwidth consumption thing - saber rattling to try to improve their bargaining position when asking the BBC and government to cover some of the costs there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had to guess I&#8217;d say this is related to the whole iPlayer bandwidth consumption thing &#8211; saber rattling to try to improve their bargaining position when asking the BBC and government to cover some of the costs there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164364</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course the last (or maybe first?) resort: Write to your government representatives about the issue of net neutrality, since the UK government seems to need a bit of a wake-up call on this:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.writetothem.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.writetothem.com/&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theyworkforyou.com/&quot;&gt;http://www.theyworkforyou.com/&lt;/a&gt;

(bleh - that should probably all have gone in one post.)

I wonder if a workflow management tool would be handy for this process...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course the last (or maybe first?) resort: Write to your government representatives about the issue of net neutrality, since the UK government seems to need a bit of a wake-up call on this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.writetothem.com/">http://www.writetothem.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.theyworkforyou.com/">http://www.theyworkforyou.com/</a></p>
<p>(bleh &#8211; that should probably all have gone in one post.)</p>
<p>I wonder if a workflow management tool would be handy for this process&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cdhinton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164111</link>
		<dc:creator>cdhinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s just great, isn&#039;t it? Let us know how you get on, Cory - I&#039;m with Virgin too (at the minute)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s just great, isn&#8217;t it? Let us know how you get on, Cory &#8211; I&#8217;m with Virgin too (at the minute)</p>
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		<title>By: free</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164113</link>
		<dc:creator>free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious, is Branson the &quot;good&quot; guy or not ?
All i read / heard bout him was that he put(s) an immense amount of money in renewable energy-things (my english kinda sucks, i hope you get what i mean) and stuff like that (philantropist ?)
Never heard any evil, villainy stuff or something :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, is Branson the &#8220;good&#8221; guy or not ?<br />
All i read / heard bout him was that he put(s) an immense amount of money in renewable energy-things (my english kinda sucks, i hope you get what i mean) and stuff like that (philantropist ?)<br />
Never heard any evil, villainy stuff or something :P</p>
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		<title>By: markhgn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164115</link>
		<dc:creator>markhgn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We received a letter from VirginMedia just last week mentioning BBC&#039;s iPlayer service in passing as a great reason for getting their broadband service so clearly they&#039;re not feeling the pain too much.

The main point of the letter was to announce to customers that they were going to increase people&#039;s bills by Â£1 unless you signed up to their &#039;e-billing&#039; service by June and no longer received paper bills. Getting your bill online was then referred to as a Â£1 &#039;saving&#039; later in the same letter. I don&#039;t know who is more stupid, them, or me for being a customer simply because they were cheap at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We received a letter from VirginMedia just last week mentioning BBC&#8217;s iPlayer service in passing as a great reason for getting their broadband service so clearly they&#8217;re not feeling the pain too much.</p>
<p>The main point of the letter was to announce to customers that they were going to increase people&#8217;s bills by Â£1 unless you signed up to their &#8216;e-billing&#8217; service by June and no longer received paper bills. Getting your bill online was then referred to as a Â£1 &#8216;saving&#8217; later in the same letter. I don&#8217;t know who is more stupid, them, or me for being a customer simply because they were cheap at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: PrettyBoyTim</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164117</link>
		<dc:creator>PrettyBoyTim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I&#039;m confused... What&#039;s an internet bus lane? In real life the traffic in the bus lane gets to travel faster than the rest of the traffic - what&#039;s he trying to say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I&#8217;m confused&#8230; What&#8217;s an internet bus lane? In real life the traffic in the bus lane gets to travel faster than the rest of the traffic &#8211; what&#8217;s he trying to say?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164119</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the bus lane is the &lt;em&gt;quicker&lt;/em&gt; lane in rush hour, is it not?  That&#039;s the whole &lt;em&gt;point&lt;/em&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the bus lane is the <em>quicker</em> lane in rush hour, is it not?  That&#8217;s the whole <em>point</em>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AnnoyedCapitalist</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164122</link>
		<dc:creator>AnnoyedCapitalist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t exactly call them greedy-- 
  Virgin Media&#039;s 3-yr average net profit margins:  &lt;b&gt;-1.4%&lt;/b&gt; (yes, that&#039;s negative)
  Google&#039;s 3-yr average net profit margins:  26.1%

I&#039;m always surprised at the level of fury around this issue.  Very popular data-heavy sites could reduce performance of all other sites if packets were treated on a first-come-first-serve basis.  The companies are being site-egalitarian.  They&#039;re also ensuring that the sites putting the most pressure on the tubes are paying for the enormous infrastructure costs.  Frankly I prefer that over my parents being charged even more when they don&#039;t YouTube/BitTorrent/whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t exactly call them greedy&#8211;<br />
  Virgin Media&#8217;s 3-yr average net profit margins:  <b>-1.4%</b> (yes, that&#8217;s negative)<br />
  Google&#8217;s 3-yr average net profit margins:  26.1%</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always surprised at the level of fury around this issue.  Very popular data-heavy sites could reduce performance of all other sites if packets were treated on a first-come-first-serve basis.  The companies are being site-egalitarian.  They&#8217;re also ensuring that the sites putting the most pressure on the tubes are paying for the enormous infrastructure costs.  Frankly I prefer that over my parents being charged even more when they don&#8217;t YouTube/BitTorrent/whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Burz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-166172</link>
		<dc:creator>Burz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AGENT86:
Petty slagging is how they distract themselves from coping with a difficult issue. Thankfully I&#039;ve learned to slag people off only when it is anything but petty. :-)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AGENT86:<br />
Petty slagging is how they distract themselves from coping with a difficult issue. Thankfully I&#8217;ve learned to slag people off only when it is anything but petty. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: eclectro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164127</link>
		<dc:creator>eclectro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. And Branson calls himself a progressive. If I wanted restricted access I&#039;d buy Compuserve or Prodigy - oh wait - they went out of business, didn&#039;t they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. And Branson calls himself a progressive. If I wanted restricted access I&#8217;d buy Compuserve or Prodigy &#8211; oh wait &#8211; they went out of business, didn&#8217;t they?</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-166177</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>slashdot says &quot;tchhya!&quot;
http://www.ugo.com/versus/images/characters/gallery_Napoleon_Dynamite_1.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>slashdot says &#8220;tchhya!&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.ugo.com/versus/images/characters/gallery_Napoleon_Dynamite_1.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.ugo.com/versus/images/characters/gallery_Napoleon_Dynamite_1.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: simple tomato</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164130</link>
		<dc:creator>simple tomato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a shame! This statement has really tarnish the great image Virgin has established... although majority of their customer will just carry-on using Virgin Media since the general public in the UK are so used to getting rip off left right and centre. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a shame! This statement has really tarnish the great image Virgin has established&#8230; although majority of their customer will just carry-on using Virgin Media since the general public in the UK are so used to getting rip off left right and centre. </p>
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		<title>By: Hugh "Nomad" Hancock</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164135</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh "Nomad" Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For everyone&#039;s information, I&#039;ve heard great things about the ADSL2 provider Be (http://www.bethere.co.uk). I&#039;ve just signed up for them - after a warning about multi-week waiting periods on the site, they&#039;ve said they&#039;re going to activate my account in 4 days! 

The packages they offer are cheaper than Virgin (Â£18 for their &quot;unlimited&quot; package) and offer a lot faster connectivity (up to 24 meg downstream and 1.3 upstream for that package). 

Haven&#039;t used them yet, so they might still suck (although I&#039;ve read some glowing reviews), but at least they&#039;re still theoretically net neutral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For everyone&#8217;s information, I&#8217;ve heard great things about the ADSL2 provider Be (<a href="http://www.bethere.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.bethere.co.uk</a>). I&#8217;ve just signed up for them &#8211; after a warning about multi-week waiting periods on the site, they&#8217;ve said they&#8217;re going to activate my account in 4 days! </p>
<p>The packages they offer are cheaper than Virgin (Â£18 for their &#8220;unlimited&#8221; package) and offer a lot faster connectivity (up to 24 meg downstream and 1.3 upstream for that package). </p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t used them yet, so they might still suck (although I&#8217;ve read some glowing reviews), but at least they&#8217;re still theoretically net neutral.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164136</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annoyedcapitalist: the empirical evidence from Internet2 researchers who&#039;ve used the best-available QoS mechanisms is that the management costs of these systems are ALWAYS higher than adding the capacity necessary to obviate them:

http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Statement&amp;Statement_ID=40

Network operators want to charge us *three times* for our connections:

1. I pay for my broadband

2. Google pays for its broadband

3. My ISP charges Google to connect to my broadband

This is just rent-seeking, exploiting a regulatory monopoly -- the public&#039;s largesse -- to pick the public&#039;s pocket.

Imagine that you ran a successful independent pizzeria, Annoyedcapitalist&#039;s American Style. When I call you up, BT says, &quot;You&#039;re ringing a basic-tier pizzeria. Please hold for 2 minutes, the time we delay calls to Annoyedcapitalist&#039;s American Style because they haven&#039;t paid us a &#039;premium tier&#039; fee. Their line isn&#039;t engaged -- we just don&#039;t route calls to them as efficiently as we might in order to maximize our revenue. In the meantime, if you&#039;re hungry for pizza *now*, why not try Domino&#039;s, who have paid for premium-rate call-routing.&quot;

That&#039;s a pretty sweet racket for BT -- whose lines and right of ways have been paid for by the public, directly (through subsidy when they were a public entity) and indirectly (though free and low-cost rights-of-way) -- but how is this good for the public, pizza, or capitalism?

If BT or Virgin want to run a purely capitalist enterprise, let them negotiate for every foot of sewer and every pole they string their wires through, and pay market rates for them. But if they&#039;re going to get this stuff at public subsidy, they need to act in the public&#039;s interest -- or someone else should be given their wires and the mandate to run them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annoyedcapitalist: the empirical evidence from Internet2 researchers who&#8217;ve used the best-available QoS mechanisms is that the management costs of these systems are ALWAYS higher than adding the capacity necessary to obviate them:</p>
<p><a href="http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Statement&#038;Statement_ID=40" rel="nofollow">http://commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Hearings.Statement&#038;Statement_ID=40</a></p>
<p>Network operators want to charge us *three times* for our connections:</p>
<p>1. I pay for my broadband</p>
<p>2. Google pays for its broadband</p>
<p>3. My ISP charges Google to connect to my broadband</p>
<p>This is just rent-seeking, exploiting a regulatory monopoly &#8212; the public&#8217;s largesse &#8212; to pick the public&#8217;s pocket.</p>
<p>Imagine that you ran a successful independent pizzeria, Annoyedcapitalist&#8217;s American Style. When I call you up, BT says, &#8220;You&#8217;re ringing a basic-tier pizzeria. Please hold for 2 minutes, the time we delay calls to Annoyedcapitalist&#8217;s American Style because they haven&#8217;t paid us a &#8216;premium tier&#8217; fee. Their line isn&#8217;t engaged &#8212; we just don&#8217;t route calls to them as efficiently as we might in order to maximize our revenue. In the meantime, if you&#8217;re hungry for pizza *now*, why not try Domino&#8217;s, who have paid for premium-rate call-routing.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty sweet racket for BT &#8212; whose lines and right of ways have been paid for by the public, directly (through subsidy when they were a public entity) and indirectly (though free and low-cost rights-of-way) &#8212; but how is this good for the public, pizza, or capitalism?</p>
<p>If BT or Virgin want to run a purely capitalist enterprise, let them negotiate for every foot of sewer and every pole they string their wires through, and pay market rates for them. But if they&#8217;re going to get this stuff at public subsidy, they need to act in the public&#8217;s interest &#8212; or someone else should be given their wires and the mandate to run them.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Molyneux</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164392</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Molyneux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory,

You&#039;re extremely welcome.
Here&#039;s hoping you&#039;re successful in freeing yourself from VM&#039;s evil clutches. They don&#039;t deserve your money (or anyone else&#039;s IMHO).
I see Mr Stross is thinking about moving to Be. I&#039;m just hoping they don&#039;t succumb to the pressures that are currently screwing up the rest of the UK broadband industry. I fear that may be inevitable.
By the way, totally off topic but I&#039;ve just started reading &lt;i&gt;Down and Out in The Magic Kingdom&lt;/i&gt; and it&#039;s blowing my mind. Can&#039;t believe it&#039;s taken me this long to get around to looking at it. Do you mind me asking which of the many purchase options pays you the most? Amazon via affiliate link?

Cheers,

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re extremely welcome.<br />
Here&#8217;s hoping you&#8217;re successful in freeing yourself from VM&#8217;s evil clutches. They don&#8217;t deserve your money (or anyone else&#8217;s IMHO).<br />
I see Mr Stross is thinking about moving to Be. I&#8217;m just hoping they don&#8217;t succumb to the pressures that are currently screwing up the rest of the UK broadband industry. I fear that may be inevitable.<br />
By the way, totally off topic but I&#8217;ve just started reading <i>Down and Out in The Magic Kingdom</i> and it&#8217;s blowing my mind. Can&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s taken me this long to get around to looking at it. Do you mind me asking which of the many purchase options pays you the most? Amazon via affiliate link?</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: pepsi_max2k</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164140</link>
		<dc:creator>pepsi_max2k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; For everyone&#039;s information, I&#039;ve heard great 
&gt;&gt; things about the ADSL2 provider Be 
&gt;&gt; (http://www.bethere.co.uk).

Be are owned by O2, and I was with them for a few months and they were great, until O2 released their own branded service which was cheaper (esp. if you have an O2 mobile, Â£7.50 pm for 8 Mbps capped ADSL2+) and I moved over penaalty free :o). And yes, they are pretty good; my ADSL2+ connection gives me 500 Kbps downloads as oposed to the 220 Kbps I was getting on an equivalent ADSL (BT&#039;s DSLMax) connection.

Of course, my mother and sister are both still stuck at 1 Mbps via cable, paying over twice as much as I do for ~4 Mbps, and unable to use any ADSL services as their phone lines (and tv) are operated by the same company. Oh yes, and that would be Virgin then. :oP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>> For everyone&#8217;s information, I&#8217;ve heard great<br />
>> things about the ADSL2 provider Be<br />
>> (<a href="http://www.bethere.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.bethere.co.uk</a>).</p>
<p>Be are owned by O2, and I was with them for a few months and they were great, until O2 released their own branded service which was cheaper (esp. if you have an O2 mobile, Â£7.50 pm for 8 Mbps capped ADSL2+) and I moved over penaalty free :o). And yes, they are pretty good; my ADSL2+ connection gives me 500 Kbps downloads as oposed to the 220 Kbps I was getting on an equivalent ADSL (BT&#8217;s DSLMax) connection.</p>
<p>Of course, my mother and sister are both still stuck at 1 Mbps via cable, paying over twice as much as I do for ~4 Mbps, and unable to use any ADSL services as their phone lines (and tv) are operated by the same company. Oh yes, and that would be Virgin then. :oP</p>
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		<title>By: Burz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-165164</link>
		<dc:creator>Burz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just submitted this to Slashdot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just submitted this to Slashdot.</p>
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		<title>By: error404</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164141</link>
		<dc:creator>error404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that&#039;s me just having cancelled my subscription to Virgin Media.


Now I am off to get my land line reconnected so I can get the current pick of the litter ADSL24 to be my new ISP.

Oddly when I told them why I was cancelling they wanted to know where I had read about the &quot;total bollocks&quot; statement.

I said Boing Boing, and the guy actually wrote it down to forward to the powers that be.

Completely ignoring that that the intervew was with Royal Television Societyâ€™s Television magazine.

Seems mad to be persuant of who is reporting something rather than which idiot CEO is shooting his mouth off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that&#8217;s me just having cancelled my subscription to Virgin Media.</p>
<p>Now I am off to get my land line reconnected so I can get the current pick of the litter ADSL24 to be my new ISP.</p>
<p>Oddly when I told them why I was cancelling they wanted to know where I had read about the &#8220;total bollocks&#8221; statement.</p>
<p>I said Boing Boing, and the guy actually wrote it down to forward to the powers that be.</p>
<p>Completely ignoring that that the intervew was with Royal Television Societyâ€™s Television magazine.</p>
<p>Seems mad to be persuant of who is reporting something rather than which idiot CEO is shooting his mouth off.</p>
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		<title>By: asuffield</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164142</link>
		<dc:creator>asuffield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did you ever go with Virgin in the first place? As UK ISPs go, they are quite poor; the rates are high and the service is non-existent. There are several good ISPs available anywhere in the UK that has ADSL service - Zen and the various Entanet resellers (adsl24, usfsn, etc) - so there&#039;s no good reason to use a poor one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did you ever go with Virgin in the first place? As UK ISPs go, they are quite poor; the rates are high and the service is non-existent. There are several good ISPs available anywhere in the UK that has ADSL service &#8211; Zen and the various Entanet resellers (adsl24, usfsn, etc) &#8211; so there&#8217;s no good reason to use a poor one.</p>
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		<title>By: error404</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164145</link>
		<dc:creator>error404</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a lot of Virgin customers are like I was, actually NTL/Blueyonder customers who suddenly found themselves kidnapped by these clows.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of Virgin customers are like I was, actually NTL/Blueyonder customers who suddenly found themselves kidnapped by these clows.</p>
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		<title>By: simple tomato</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-164149</link>
		<dc:creator>simple tomato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#18:
yep, I have used &#039;Be&#039; (www.bethere.co.uk) as my ISP as well for the last 3 years and the&#039;unlimited&#039; service is really unlimited in every sense of the word and really reliable service and speedy customer service as well. Totally beats BT / NTL which i have also used previously until i switched. Even when i moved home they got my service up and running again in less then 2 weeks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#18:<br />
yep, I have used &#8216;Be&#8217; (www.bethere.co.uk) as my ISP as well for the last 3 years and the&#8217;unlimited&#8217; service is really unlimited in every sense of the word and really reliable service and speedy customer service as well. Totally beats BT / NTL which i have also used previously until i switched. Even when i moved home they got my service up and running again in less then 2 weeks.</p>
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		<title>By: Agent 86</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/04/13/virgin-media-ceo-net.html#comment-165942</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent 86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I&#039;m saddened by my fellow SlashDotters. More than half have no clue who Cory is, and most instantly dismissed him or said contemptible things about him.


The funny thing is, Cory&#039;s views seem to mesh will with those of the SlashDot community, and as a journalist he writes articles with those values that people in the real world have a decent chance of reading.

Damn SlashDot internet elitists :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I&#8217;m saddened by my fellow SlashDotters. More than half have no clue who Cory is, and most instantly dismissed him or said contemptible things about him.</p>
<p>The funny thing is, Cory&#8217;s views seem to mesh will with those of the SlashDot community, and as a journalist he writes articles with those values that people in the real world have a decent chance of reading.</p>
<p>Damn SlashDot internet elitists :(</p>
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