'Net bullies target Chinese student participants in pro-Tibet protests

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  1. Takuan says:

    why yes, Miaka, I was.

  2. LogrusZed says:

    Watch out, some of those people know martial arts n’ stuff.

  3. Takuan says:

    China has other exports than dollar store trash.

  4. DMcK says:

    The Chinese are pretty adept at infiltrating US universities with “exchange students”. I remember reading an article a few years back in the Comics Journal by one such individual, about the history of man-hua (Chinese comics); it tried to pawn off excerpts of vicious, contemporary anti-Falun Gong propaganda comics as examples of historical works from the turn of the century or before. Nasty.

  5. Santa's Knee says:

    When did “Duke University” become “David Duke Univerity”?

  6. betterdas says:

    It is shocking to see some chinese students intimidating Ms. Wang. These thugs should be brought to justice and kicked out of this freedom loving country. I am a chinese myself and i am a moderate, but i found the intimidation for freedom of speech is unacceptable. It actually only makes the pro-china’s case worse. I hope the law enforcement will get involved and found out the culprits and punish them.

  7. Antinous says:

    Anti-French rallies across China

    “Oppose Tibet independence, support the Olympics,” read one placard; “Say no to French goods,” said another.

    BBC article

    Hating on the French is like shooting fish in a barrel. Will escargot exports plummet. How many French goods does China import anyway?

  8. Maurik says:

    That’s right… all the tea.

  9. ME says:

    Kudos for Ms. Jardin for bringing this to our attention. I had a brief conversation with a friend, a Chinese national, and he was pretty dismissive of Tibetan grievances as well.

    The Chinese are fiercely nationalistic, as befits a great nation. Their greatness also encompasses a great deal of mischief and brutality, which again comes with national greatness.

    What should be noted is the high spirits of the competing demonstrations. People might have been haranguing each other, but they were also listening and behaving well. One might wonder if such a demonstration could take place in China. And before we knock the Chinese, we might also remember all the peaceful demonstrations that have been infiltrated and violently disrupted by police in the USA, such as the protests at the Republican Convention in New York City in 2004.

    The online vigilantism is pretty disturbing, but there’s no evidence that it is officially sanctioned. What this vigilantism does bring into question is our own liberal notions regarding free speech. Should such threatening speech be censored? Should Google protect this women by blocking searches for her name?

    Solving the injustices of the world are not easy, primarily because one person’s justice, be it freeing Tibet or censoring the Internet, is another’s injustice.

    And as a typical provincial yahoo of an American, I couldn’t help but think of this as I watched the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYwDV-7uDyc

    Yes, I’m very ashamed of myself, but also laughing.

  10. Caroline says:

    Sigh. And again, I’m so proud to be a graduate student here. *rolls eyes*

  11. Miaka says:

    Hi Takuan,

    I’m unclear why you reacted to my post with that comment. Did I say I supported internet manhunts? I wanted to post a link to another case involving internet bullies because I found it interesting and disturbing.

    I have been reading this site for a long time although I don’t post often and I often enjoy your responses, so I was a bit surprised to see what seems like a mocking reaction from you.

    Could you clarify what you’re trying to say exactly?

  12. Takuan says:

    “the Chinese are fiercely nationalistic, as befits a great nation. Their greatness also encompasses a great deal of mischief and brutality, which again comes with national greatness.”

    What? Are you nuts? Jingoism,mischief and brutality are “great”? What the hell are you on about?

    “online vigilantism is pretty disturbing, but there’s no evidence that it is officially sanctioned. What this vigilantism does bring into question is our own liberal notions regarding free speech. Should such threatening speech be censored?”

    Oh, I get it; parody.

  13. Tom says:

    Brutality and nationalism are the result of inadequacy and fear, not greatness.

    Brutal, nationalistic countries are not great nations. They are brutal and nationalistic.

    Openness to dissent and support for diversity, accessible democratic processes, and the rule of law are the touchstones of great nations.

  14. Takuan says:

    Dear Miaka:

    Whenever reading my posts, following threads my scaly tail has dragged down, casting Tarot readings with the Devil as significator or corresponding with myself, it is wise to douse oneself with holy water, sacrifice a bullock and immediately open the thesaurus to “bitter”, “sardonic”, “ironic”, “satirical” “pain in the ass” (ask Teresa) and similar entries.

    Why would I mock you?

    T (it’s mark)

  15. Antinous says:

    If Takuan were mocking you, there would be no ambiguity. Just blood and tears and maybe a tiny little bit of fecal incontinence.

  16. Elysianartist says:

    One of the drawbacks to nuking the bejesus out of the Chinese mainland is the prevailing winds are gonna blow those glowing clouds eastward across the Pacific, right back over the good ole U.S. of A.
    Can anyone think of another reason why we shouldn’t nuke ‘em from orbit?

  17. holtt says:

    uh, Roach; Oregon is right above California

    Thank you. We like to be forgotten in general, but not when it comes to fallout.

  18. Takuan says:

    hey,hey! I TOLD you that was from those trans-fat substitutes!

  19. Takuan says:

    because the retaliation, Russian opportunism, ecological consequences, total collapse of the world economy, famine,plague and wholesale death make that plan iffy.

  20. Antinous says:

    You’re not supposed to eat the lube.

  21. Takuan says:

    also,that would be wrong. (shakes jowls, offers double peace signs)

  22. Miaka says:

    Dear Mark (Takuan),

    Haha, ok well thanks for the reassurance. I’m glad it wasn’t meant to be a mocking remark.

    Perhaps I’ve been spending too much time discussing the Tibet/China issue online and I’ve lost the ability to discern the sincere from the insincere.

    Take care,
    Miaka (it’s Marie)

  23. Takuan says:

    Understandable to be confused about Tibet and China, incredible resources have been expended to cloud the truth.

  24. Takuan says:

    “But we all cheer when Internet vigilantes post the private info of someone WE don’t like.”

    no, just when it’s a real villain. And yes, I decide.

  25. Antinous says:

    Sarkozy sucks up; Paris mayor gets down.

    The Dalai Lama has been made an honorary citizen of Paris

  26. Antinous says:

    The International Campaign for Tibet said last week that a “patriotic education” work team had been sent to Drepung, and food and water supplies at the monasteries in Lhasa were running low as monks were prevented from leaving.

    Patriotic education requires monks to do ritual denunciations of their spiritual leader, the exiled Dalai Lama, and accept the Chinese-appointed Panchen Lama.

    Mainichi article

  27. Antinous says:

    A major Buddhist temple has withdrawn from plans to host Japan’s opening stage of the Olympic torch relay.

    BBC article

  28. Antinous says:

    China has launched an “education” campaign in Tibet it says is designed to undermine support for the Dalai Lama and any separatist sentiment.

    The Tibet Daily newspaper said the campaign was to “unify the thinking… of officials and the masses”.

    BBC article

  29. Belac says:

    What Takuan said.

    Also, because actually nuking countries we dislike would bring us below whatever level we (rightly or not) claim that they’re on.

  30. ZippySpincycle says:

    On the upside, it would do wonders for overpopulation. Plus, if the old “nuclear winter” theory holds any water, the smoke from a global nuclear holocaust might offset global warming (I dunno, all those burning cities would also produce a lot of CO2).

    All in all, giving some other species a chance to evolve might do the planet some good.

  31. Antiglobalism says:

    Independence for ALL people:

    http://www.pan-nationalism.org

    Anti-racism, anti-globalism!

  32. Antinous says:

    Heavy security for the torch in Delhi:

    Some 16,000 police sealed off the city centre along the truncated relay route.

    Regarding the security goons:

    “They have used their bodies to protect the torch, so their acts should be praised and the violent acts of those Tibet independence elements be condemned.”

    Didn’t people used to cheer the Olympic torch? Congratulations to China for making the torch relay a symbol of oppression and genocide.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7351713.stm

  33. Miaka says:

    This kind of behavior can also lead to hunts for the wrong people, as this blog entry details:
    http://www.mutantpalm.org/2008/04/15/mutual-respect-it-must-be-some-kind-of-trap.html#more-167

    That poor Tibetan guy in Utah.

  34. Takuan says:

    does any ordinary person in China realize the damage their government’s lying is doing? These silly games will be over soon, what then?

  35. Takuan says:

    what did you expect?

  36. Roach says:

    “One of the drawbacks to nuking the bejesus out of the Chinese mainland is the prevailing winds are gonna blow those glowing clouds eastward across the Pacific, right back over the good ole U.S. of A.
    Can anyone think of another reason why we shouldn’t nuke ‘em from orbit?”

    Just how far would it blow over the US? Because if it’d only hit California, I’m in.

  37. Scraps says:

    Is anyone publishing the personal information of the thugs who published the Chinese student’s personal information?

  38. Antinous says:

    Oh, I get it; parody.

    No, demi-troll. But kudos for getting a semicolon into a five word sentence.

  39. Takuan says:

    uh, Roach; Oregon is right above California

  40. Takuan says:

    yeah, just get the local Chinese consulate’s staff list

  41. keggsy says:

    Interesting that this has become a mini-version of what is actually going on in China. The Tibetan student speaks her mind and the Chinese students respond with violence and intimidation.

    You can be as nationalistic as you like, but fear tactics cross the line. I find many Americans annoyingly nationalistic, but I don’t have to worry about my own safety or that of my family by saying that.

  42. ill lich says:

    Reminds me of Russia’s Наши (“Nashi” a.k.a. “Ours”) youth movement, which organizes to counter protest pretty much any other political group, in particular Kasparaov’s “Other Russia” party, although that is clearly orchestrated by the Putin regime, and this appears (so far) to be more spontaneous.

    “One of the great attractions of patriotism — it fulfills our worst wishes. In the person of our nation we are able, vicariously, to bully and cheat. Bully and cheat, what’s more, with a feeling that we are profoundly virtuous.” — Aldous Huxley

  43. Takuan says:

    Hitler Youth, Putin’s Nashi, Chinese “Spontaneous Protest”

  44. Antinous says:

    The text box takes Cyrillic characters? How about tengwar?

  45. Antinous says:

    Please. You hurt the feeling of a whole nation when you say such lies.

  46. Takuan says:

    I tried Ogham (the writing of my youth)

  47. Takuan says:

    that misplaced apostrophe in #32 is going to cause no end of trouble

  48. Antinous says:

    Good comment, Keggsy. To the point and not one wasted word.

  49. Takuan says:

    apostrophe,apostrophe…..
    The Mystery Man came over
    An’ he said: “I’m outa-site!”
    He said, for a nominal service charge,
    I could reach nervonna t’nite
    If I was ready, willing ‘n able
    To pay him his regular fee
    He would drop all the rest of his pressing affairs
    And devote His Attention to me
    But I said . . .
    Look here brother,
    Who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?
    (Now who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?)
    Look here brother,
    Don’t you waste your time on me

    The Mystery Man got nervous
    An’ he fidget around a bit
    He reached in the pocket of his Mystery Robe
    An’ he whipped out a shaving kit
    Now, I thought it was a razor
    An’ a can of foamin’ goo
    But he told me right then when the top popped open
    There was nothin’ his box won’t do
    With the oil of Afro-dytee
    An’ the dust of the Grand Wazoo
    He said:
    “You might not believe this, little fella, but it’ll cure your Asthma too!”
    An’ I said . . .
    Look here brother,
    Who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?
    (Now what kind of a geroo are you anyway?)
    Look here brother,
    Don’t you waste your time on me
    Don’t waste yer time . . .

    I’ve got troubles of my own, I said
    An’ you can’t help me out
    So take your meditations an’ your preparations
    An’ ram it up yer snout
    “BUT I GOT A KRISTL BOL!,” he said
    An’ held it to the light
    So I snatched it
    All away from him
    An’ I showed him how to do it right
    I wrapped a newspaper ’round my head
    So I’d look like I was Deep
    I said some Mumbo Jumbos then
    An’ told him he was goin’ to sleep
    I robbed his rings
    An’ pocket watch
    An’ everything else I found
    I had that sucker hypnotized
    He couldn’t even make a sound
    I proceeded to tell him his future then
    As long as he was hanging around,
    I said
    “The price of meat has just gone up
    An’ yer ol’ lady has just gone down . . . ”
    Look here brother,
    Who you jivin’ with that Cosmik Debris?
    (Now is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?)
    Don’t you know,
    You could make more money as a butcher,
    So don’t you waste your time on me
    (Don’t waste it, don’t waste your time on me . . . )
    Ohm shonty, ohm shonty, ohm shonty-ohm
    SSHONTAY

  50. arkizzle says:

    [ repost from memory, curse you "wrong text"! ]

    I just checked, Ogham actually has a Unicode designation!!

    I’m impressed, although being able to type it in mere seconds doesn’t seem to do it the justice of carving long, squiggly lines of notched prose on your enemy’s bones.

  51. Jake0748 says:

    Now if I only knew who IT is or was. And how and why did it leave it’s mark.

    It is to wonder.

  52. Takuan says:

    long squiggly lines? Pah! Straight notches is how we did it as lads! Nothing but a good flint blade too.

  53. arkizzle says:

    Flint! Luxury!
    In my day, all we had were teeth! And a fine wobbly line we nawed as well.

  54. Antinous says:

    I thought that we were calling you Victor.

  55. arkizzle says:

    Maybe it’s an assertion.

  56. Miaka says:

    Hi Takuan,

    Were you saying, “what did you expect” to me?

  57. Takuan says:

    Victor is my stage name

  58. Antinous says:

    I considered that but rejected it in favor of prima facie confession.

  59. Antinous says:

    Cha Cha Heels was my drag name.

  60. Scraps says:

    I find many Americans annoyingly nationalistic, but I don’t have to worry about my own safety or that of my family by saying that.

    Maybe not, but there are certainly plenty of places in America where you would have to worry about your physical safety and the safety of your loved ones if you criticized America.

  61. bobbytables says:

    But we all cheer when Internet vigilantes post the private info of someone WE don’t like.

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