However, just because these people may have a job that makes them a criminal, you can’t judge them as not artists for that reason. Their work (not their reproductions) may be Art (or not) but that is not dependent on their profession. A bank robber may be an artist by day.. One has no bearing on the other.

That said, each ‘artist’ listed above may indeed have been unduly influenced by the works they reproduce everyday, but I’ve been influenced by many amazing artists too, and an observer could probably see the influences in my work, but that wouldn’t sway me from being an artist or not.. maybe a crap one, but an artist nonetheless

That doesn’t rule out people who have trained and trained at something, to eventually become skilled. But in my opinion, “talent” describes a natural propensity.

Nice point.

Something I was going to raise was how chldren of artists or musicians, may have a disposition toward art or music, respectively. But, indeed, this could be more down to the fact that the parents of these children spent more time being musicians and artists around the developing child, than that these ‘talents’ were genetically passed on.

Any social/behavioural scientists or geneticists reading, care to join in? Evidence either way would be great.

But here we have a new marketing angle–to sell this basic copied stuff for a lot more. But that’s all it is, more marketing bullshit for the artworld. Everyone of these examples is derived from the stuff they are copying–not an original bone in here. Though they are good bus drivers.

The opposite approach would be better. When you guys review this manufactured art, the people that do it poorly often have a brilliant edge of originality to their work because they can’t do the knocking off right. But you always miss these undiscovered geniuses bcs ll y cr bt s yr brng mrktng pln. Andy Warhol was brilliant because he couldn’t get Abstract Expressionism right. Bt y mrktng sshls tht r kllng tr rt r jst lk ths pntrs–y dn’t hv n rgnl bn t spk f. Y’r jst sbcncsly cpyng mr Wrhl ds. Bt y thnk y’r grt cs nw y dd y’r slf prtt mrktng pln. Bt gss wht? Y’r jst bs drvr mrktrs. Th rl mrktng gnss r lkng n th ttlly ppst drctn.
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So why don’t you go and do your 60% of the worlds marketing in the Procter and Gamble village and leave us alone…

No museum or gallery would ever show these. The artists are obviously self-taught —yuck. Take them away. I’d paint over them or burn them. I guess you have to kiss a thousand artists to get a prince with talent.

Sixty percent of the world’s oil paintings are produced in Dafen? Really? Ninety-nine percent of me remains unconvinced. I guess I should go look at the “summary.”

I believe the “artists” were left on their own. They chose to make money by copying existing work that has has a market.

“Art” has always been an industry. This village is no different then a bakery to the baker.

When you guys review this..
But you always.. ..because all you care about..
But you marketing assholes..
You’re just subconciously copying..
But you think you’re grea..
You’re just bus driver marketers..

Who is that addressed to? I imagine you’d get a better response by writing it on a piece of paper and mailing it to someone in Dafen, or regional-office.com at least. There is no one here who can respond to that diatribe, and there were some valid points buried in it.

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..and Alamedared

How is the self-portrait above not art? Not all art has to have the Mysteries of the Universe in it.

The artists are obviously self-taught —yuck.

Please tell me that your whole post was a deeply sarcastic, (ironic even) joke, or a comment on something else, because you sound like an angry, aggressive, failed-artist with a massive chip on your shoulder.

/Love the paintings, though.

yes i agree, i also think personality develops and dictates if children will imitate what they see or not or whether they will ‘rebel’

art c

orignality is good, of course, but so is the ability to recreate not just your works but others too

lindaartist:

yes passion may play a role in talent
but many people are greatly inspired by artists and have passion welling in them but also they find that they don’t have what it takes for others to see it expressed in their works

art is expression
we express ourselves in all that we do
therfore: everything is art
but obviously we don’t see everything as art.
only things that resonate with us: find something that resonates with everyone (or those whom others model themslves after) and you have a masterpiece

Also, there really is a difference between art and Art, maybe not with an established convention, but certainly colloquially, and maybe we need to define the two better.

Interestingly, a portion of work that has come down from the renaissance masters was completely observational, with not much discernable difference in style from painter to painter, and no amazing-hidden-truth, including self portraits. It’s mostly technique, and we love it.

Here are some well executed self-portraits, but because they were done by professional copyists (in factory-nation China) rather than long-suffering, bay-area art school graduates, they are suddenly judged on some lofty, holier-than-thou scale.. If we saw some of those portraits on gallery walls, we would be impressed. Yes, some are derivative, some not. Like all art, or Art.

I agree with Wind’s comment.
Although of course a good painting will please most people from wherever they are; influenced by several variants.
There are indeed very talented artists there and unfortunately they don’t earn as they should.
I hope that this changes in the future for the sake of the eastern and western artists.

Take care,

José

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As to this “art”: who buys it? I would not. I would possibly buy the self portrait. Where is the market for a million Mona Lisa’s? Does education require that much?

Clearly, this unregulated art is misappropriation of scant resources and a waste of valuable time. Artists should be required to be licenced after a series of rigorous examinations. I volunteer to sit as arbiter.