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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179202</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The caraway one? That was a bad drunk! Drank a whole bottle after my best friend&#039;s funeral. We had a U-Haul in front of the house because we were moving the next day. We were so hungover, that we had to call a mover to move us. Literally move &lt;i&gt;us&lt;/i&gt;. We couldn&#039;t even walk. I still can&#039;t get near anything with caraway in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The caraway one? That was a bad drunk! Drank a whole bottle after my best friend&#8217;s funeral. We had a U-Haul in front of the house because we were moving the next day. We were so hungover, that we had to call a mover to move us. Literally move <i>us</i>. We couldn&#8217;t even walk. I still can&#8217;t get near anything with caraway in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jambe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179978</link>
		<dc:creator>Jambe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@49: one could summarize your response by saying, &quot;If you&#039;re not born in US territory, you&#039;re not a US citizen.&quot;  Congratulations, you grasp the concept of nationality.

Let us move to dissolve national borders and become the United States of Earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@49: one could summarize your response by saying, &#8220;If you&#8217;re not born in US territory, you&#8217;re not a US citizen.&#8221;  Congratulations, you grasp the concept of nationality.</p>
<p>Let us move to dissolve national borders and become the United States of Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179211</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well done</p>
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		<title>By: glassmusic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179468</link>
		<dc:creator>glassmusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>r: GNTZ

 lvd n hllywd fr  cpl f yrs. ts lk  bd prt f l slvdr. n ns lgl. n n spks nglsh. trsh vrywhr. thrs plnty f cltr. mxcn cltr. yd nvr knw y wr n mrc. thy cmpltly tk vr. ts  hstl nvsn, nd thy dmt t wth ds tht prclm &quot;th nvsn s hr!&quot; nd rfr t hllywd s &quot;ltnwd&quot;. thy HV t py sls tx f thy wnt t prchs gds. ts nt lk thyr ntntnlly dng s  fvr. f thy wr tryng t hlp th cntry, thy cld strt by-- gt ths-- ntrng lglly. try tht crp n ny thr cntry nd s wht hppns t y.

nd thy dnt vd gttng ssstnc. thy jst pp t  fw nchr bbs nd rk t n. v lvd thr. v sn t. my grlfrnd ws mggd by th lwlfs tsd f r prtmnt n  mn strt t 10m, tsd f tw crwdd bsnsss. thy wr llgls wtng fr th pckp trck t drp by.  gss thy dcdd tht mggng my 19 yr ld 100 pnd grlfrnd. n n hlpd bcs thy wnt d nythng t ch thr.

thy mv frm mxc clmng thy wnt  bttr lf, bt ll thy d s dsrspct ths cntry by cmng hr llglly, nd thn trnng t nt tht nsty plc tht thy cm frm. sty thr, nd gt hr lglly. ys t tks tm. dl wth t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>r: GNTZ</p>
<p> lvd n hllywd fr  cpl f yrs. ts lk  bd prt f l slvdr. n ns lgl. n n spks nglsh. trsh vrywhr. thrs plnty f cltr. mxcn cltr. yd nvr knw y wr n mrc. thy cmpltly tk vr. ts  hstl nvsn, nd thy dmt t wth ds tht prclm &#8220;th nvsn s hr!&#8221; nd rfr t hllywd s &#8220;ltnwd&#8221;. thy HV t py sls tx f thy wnt t prchs gds. ts nt lk thyr ntntnlly dng s  fvr. f thy wr tryng t hlp th cntry, thy cld strt by&#8211; gt ths&#8211; ntrng lglly. try tht crp n ny thr cntry nd s wht hppns t y.</p>
<p>nd thy dnt vd gttng ssstnc. thy jst pp t  fw nchr bbs nd rk t n. v lvd thr. v sn t. my grlfrnd ws mggd by th lwlfs tsd f r prtmnt n  mn strt t 10m, tsd f tw crwdd bsnsss. thy wr llgls wtng fr th pckp trck t drp by.  gss thy dcdd tht mggng my 19 yr ld 100 pnd grlfrnd. n n hlpd bcs thy wnt d nythng t ch thr.</p>
<p>thy mv frm mxc clmng thy wnt  bttr lf, bt ll thy d s dsrspct ths cntry by cmng hr llglly, nd thn trnng t nt tht nsty plc tht thy cm frm. sty thr, nd gt hr lglly. ys t tks tm. dl wth t.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Stair</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179472</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Stair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst part of this &quot;game&quot; is the way it slowly scrolls its propaganda past you while the game is &quot;loading&quot;, and stops the scrolling and the loading if the game window loses focus (so you can&#039;t do anything else while you wait).

And then the idea that if you just stay out of trouble and &quot;do the right thing&quot;, you will magically become a citizen, seems fatuous.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst part of this &#8220;game&#8221; is the way it slowly scrolls its propaganda past you while the game is &#8220;loading&#8221;, and stops the scrolling and the loading if the game window loses focus (so you can&#8217;t do anything else while you wait).</p>
<p>And then the idea that if you just stay out of trouble and &#8220;do the right thing&#8221;, you will magically become a citizen, seems fatuous.</p>
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		<title>By: Tenn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179984</link>
		<dc:creator>Tenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@59,

I think what he&#039;s saying is that the standards foreigners are held to are arbitrary and oftentimes ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@59,</p>
<p>I think what he&#8217;s saying is that the standards foreigners are held to are arbitrary and oftentimes ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: AirPillo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179228</link>
		<dc:creator>AirPillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US immigration law is a funny thing.

On the one hand, you have loopholes that allow for some genuinely parasitic and conniving behavior to be rewarded with citizenship or at least the ability to remain in the country and receive social services, often at significant cost to those paying for said services.

On the other hand, there are also some particularly nasty thorns that make life hard on those who might want to do things the legal way and become naturalized citizens, which is, I&#039;m told, far more frustrating than it already was now that everyone who wasn&#039;t born in bumfucksville Nebraska is planning to blow us all up until proven innocent.

To hone this all into less-than-meaningless rambling: it&#039;s good to see someone tackling the latter issue, now we just need some work on altering the laws such that the latter -and- the former are properly addressed and resolved, or at least triaged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US immigration law is a funny thing.</p>
<p>On the one hand, you have loopholes that allow for some genuinely parasitic and conniving behavior to be rewarded with citizenship or at least the ability to remain in the country and receive social services, often at significant cost to those paying for said services.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there are also some particularly nasty thorns that make life hard on those who might want to do things the legal way and become naturalized citizens, which is, I&#8217;m told, far more frustrating than it already was now that everyone who wasn&#8217;t born in bumfucksville Nebraska is planning to blow us all up until proven innocent.</p>
<p>To hone this all into less-than-meaningless rambling: it&#8217;s good to see someone tackling the latter issue, now we just need some work on altering the laws such that the latter -and- the former are properly addressed and resolved, or at least triaged.</p>
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		<title>By: crackofthebat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179230</link>
		<dc:creator>crackofthebat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conversation has gone sideways! Booze is NOT the issue. Gaming is the issue.  I am worried that gaming is the new booze. Addictive. Bad for you.  Desperate times. Doesn&#039;t translate into a job. Like being a movie buff in the 80s and working in a video rental store. Dead End! Gaming is good for gamers. But won&#039;t get you a job on Wall Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conversation has gone sideways! Booze is NOT the issue. Gaming is the issue.  I am worried that gaming is the new booze. Addictive. Bad for you.  Desperate times. Doesn&#8217;t translate into a job. Like being a movie buff in the 80s and working in a video rental store. Dead End! Gaming is good for gamers. But won&#8217;t get you a job on Wall Street.</p>
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		<title>By: transiit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179232</link>
		<dc:creator>transiit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh, did anyone spend much time at the site? Beyond the synopsis given here?

Warning sign number one: Oh, you get to play it offline, by downloading the 80+ MB installer, but in the meantime, a pop-up window quizzing you on whether or not you&#039;ve already had experience in being kept down by the Man.

Warning sign number two: The character profiles don&#039;t mention any attempt at the legal immigration procedure. Not even a mention of unfairly turned down application.

Warning sign number three: &quot;The goal of ICED is to stay out of detention by making good decisions and doing positive things for your community. If you do these actions, you have the chance of becoming a citizen of the United States.&quot; Uh, what? Immigration status based on subjective bonus points? Really?

Warning sign number four: Playing on the semantics of the word immigrant. Save for some that we consider native americans, the US, that&#039;d be most of us that are considered US citizens are either immigrants or the descendants thereof. Redefining immigrant to be a non-citizen is a bit appalling. Is this the usual fluff to avoid saying &quot;illegal immigrant&quot;? Dodging that by avoiding the newer nomenclature of &quot;undocumented immigrant&quot;? 

Warning sign number Oh, forget it. I got into the intro and the whole thing smacked of baiting words  and appealing to emotion to the point that calling it an educational tool would be a disservice. 

I don&#039;t think I&#039;m racist. But this seems pretty biased to an idea that I find a bit hard to swallow believing in the rule of law and equal application of the law. 

But then, I might&#039;ve missed the point that said it was a human rights issue to live wherever you please. I kind of saved that card for not getting tortured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, did anyone spend much time at the site? Beyond the synopsis given here?</p>
<p>Warning sign number one: Oh, you get to play it offline, by downloading the 80+ MB installer, but in the meantime, a pop-up window quizzing you on whether or not you&#8217;ve already had experience in being kept down by the Man.</p>
<p>Warning sign number two: The character profiles don&#8217;t mention any attempt at the legal immigration procedure. Not even a mention of unfairly turned down application.</p>
<p>Warning sign number three: &#8220;The goal of ICED is to stay out of detention by making good decisions and doing positive things for your community. If you do these actions, you have the chance of becoming a citizen of the United States.&#8221; Uh, what? Immigration status based on subjective bonus points? Really?</p>
<p>Warning sign number four: Playing on the semantics of the word immigrant. Save for some that we consider native americans, the US, that&#8217;d be most of us that are considered US citizens are either immigrants or the descendants thereof. Redefining immigrant to be a non-citizen is a bit appalling. Is this the usual fluff to avoid saying &#8220;illegal immigrant&#8221;? Dodging that by avoiding the newer nomenclature of &#8220;undocumented immigrant&#8221;? </p>
<p>Warning sign number Oh, forget it. I got into the intro and the whole thing smacked of baiting words  and appealing to emotion to the point that calling it an educational tool would be a disservice. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m racist. But this seems pretty biased to an idea that I find a bit hard to swallow believing in the rule of law and equal application of the law. </p>
<p>But then, I might&#8217;ve missed the point that said it was a human rights issue to live wherever you please. I kind of saved that card for not getting tortured.</p>
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		<title>By: Jambe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179233</link>
		<dc:creator>Jambe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18: disingenuousness, sensationalizing and political correctness in general get to me.  This game paints ICE as an inherently evil Big Brother organization â€” ooo, scary narrator!  ICED wouldn&#039;t have existed sans the exodus of Mexicans into the USA.

Now, sure, our immigration policy is an imperfect as any human endeavor and has loopholes that need closed and various problems that need fixing.  However, unless folks look to video games to learn about societal issues, ICED won&#039;t get our populace any closer to addressing real problems.  If you&#039;re so apathetic that only a video game can get you to care about US immigration policy, then you are never going to be involved enough to make a difference anyway.  Insert Nietzsche here.

Since when did deportation need ending?  The power to deport is necessary for any nation to retain sovereignty.  &quot;Let&#039;s open the borders, dissolve citizenship and become the Earth Nation.  Let&#039;s all live in peace, smoke some hash and live in a vegetarian utopia.&quot;  Eh.  We should round up all these glossy-eyed idealist imbeciles and eject them onto a terraformed Mars as a sort of planetary-scale Lord of the Flies experiment.

We can look to European and Asian nations as role models for our economy but can&#039;t have any semblance of their largely xenophobic immigration policies?  Why not?  Oh, right â€” because deportation is the &lt;b&gt;devil&lt;/b&gt;.  Forget the fact that virtually every civilized nation in the world cracks down on aliens within their borders!  Everybody deserves to partake of American largess.  They needn&#039;t endure the procedures countless millions before them followed.  It seems folk think the virtue of coming from a 3rd-world hellhole grants illegal aliens the right to completely bypass extent US laws.  It&#039;s not like 3rd-world hellholes just suddenly started existing over the last 3-4 decades.

Why not come straight out and address the real issues without the bullcrap?  Why can&#039;t we address the corruption and incapacity of Central and South American governments, their broken economies &amp; societal upheavals, US laws that need revision, US companies that should be held accountable for employing (exploiting) aliens &amp; thus encouraging alien traffic, etc?  

How can one argue against the USA&#039;s status as World Police whilst advocating its becoming the World Asylum?  I don&#039;t know.  The hypocrisy and double-standards purveyed by folks who look at issues from the corners of the ring instead of the middle really offend my sensibilities.  

I guess that&#039;s my biggest problem â€” stupid people.  Antonio Villaraigosa, for example.  &quot;How dare you ask American Apparel to prove that each of their workers is actually a legal resident.&quot;  My god.  Our own politicians... there is no end to it.  What he should have said was, &quot;How dare you expect American companies to pay people an honest day&#039;s wages.&quot;

DISGUSTING.

I know, I&#039;m tangential.  Sorry. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@18: disingenuousness, sensationalizing and political correctness in general get to me.  This game paints ICE as an inherently evil Big Brother organization â€” ooo, scary narrator!  ICED wouldn&#8217;t have existed sans the exodus of Mexicans into the USA.</p>
<p>Now, sure, our immigration policy is an imperfect as any human endeavor and has loopholes that need closed and various problems that need fixing.  However, unless folks look to video games to learn about societal issues, ICED won&#8217;t get our populace any closer to addressing real problems.  If you&#8217;re so apathetic that only a video game can get you to care about US immigration policy, then you are never going to be involved enough to make a difference anyway.  Insert Nietzsche here.</p>
<p>Since when did deportation need ending?  The power to deport is necessary for any nation to retain sovereignty.  &#8220;Let&#8217;s open the borders, dissolve citizenship and become the Earth Nation.  Let&#8217;s all live in peace, smoke some hash and live in a vegetarian utopia.&#8221;  Eh.  We should round up all these glossy-eyed idealist imbeciles and eject them onto a terraformed Mars as a sort of planetary-scale Lord of the Flies experiment.</p>
<p>We can look to European and Asian nations as role models for our economy but can&#8217;t have any semblance of their largely xenophobic immigration policies?  Why not?  Oh, right â€” because deportation is the <b>devil</b>.  Forget the fact that virtually every civilized nation in the world cracks down on aliens within their borders!  Everybody deserves to partake of American largess.  They needn&#8217;t endure the procedures countless millions before them followed.  It seems folk think the virtue of coming from a 3rd-world hellhole grants illegal aliens the right to completely bypass extent US laws.  It&#8217;s not like 3rd-world hellholes just suddenly started existing over the last 3-4 decades.</p>
<p>Why not come straight out and address the real issues without the bullcrap?  Why can&#8217;t we address the corruption and incapacity of Central and South American governments, their broken economies &#038; societal upheavals, US laws that need revision, US companies that should be held accountable for employing (exploiting) aliens &#038; thus encouraging alien traffic, etc?  </p>
<p>How can one argue against the USA&#8217;s status as World Police whilst advocating its becoming the World Asylum?  I don&#8217;t know.  The hypocrisy and double-standards purveyed by folks who look at issues from the corners of the ring instead of the middle really offend my sensibilities.  </p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s my biggest problem â€” stupid people.  Antonio Villaraigosa, for example.  &#8220;How dare you ask American Apparel to prove that each of their workers is actually a legal resident.&#8221;  My god.  Our own politicians&#8230; there is no end to it.  What he should have said was, &#8220;How dare you expect American companies to pay people an honest day&#8217;s wages.&#8221;</p>
<p>DISGUSTING.</p>
<p>I know, I&#8217;m tangential.  Sorry. </p>
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		<title>By: transiit</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179234</link>
		<dc:creator>transiit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, wait, is this satire?

I played the game for a bit...

&quot;You planted a tree +5 points!&quot;

&quot;You recycled a can +5 points!&quot;

If you get enough points planting trees and recycling, do you get to be king of the world?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, wait, is this satire?</p>
<p>I played the game for a bit&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;You planted a tree +5 points!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;You recycled a can +5 points!&#8221;</p>
<p>If you get enough points planting trees and recycling, do you get to be king of the world?</p>
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		<title>By: glassmusic</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179236</link>
		<dc:creator>glassmusic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QZ TM!!

f  wht mrcn mvd t Mxc llglly, thy wld:

) gt fr hlth cr (pd fr by th txs f th lgl ctzns)
B) gt fr fd nd hsng (pd fr by ctzn&#039;s txs)
C) b bl t hv fv r sx nchr bbs, llwng thm t sty lglly
D) nvr lrn th ntv lngg r dd t th lcl cltr
) nn f th bv

fnny hw tht wrks.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QZ TM!!</p>
<p>f  wht mrcn mvd t Mxc llglly, thy wld:</p>
<p>) gt fr hlth cr (pd fr by th txs f th lgl ctzns)<br />
B) gt fr fd nd hsng (pd fr by ctzn&#8217;s txs)<br />
C) b bl t hv fv r sx nchr bbs, llwng thm t sty lglly<br />
D) nvr lrn th ntv lngg r dd t th lcl cltr<br />
) nn f th bv</p>
<p>fnny hw tht wrks.</p>
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		<title>By: jonesy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179246</link>
		<dc:creator>jonesy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I&#039;ve never heard of due process.  Is it in the Constitution?  What does it mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I&#8217;ve never heard of due process.  Is it in the Constitution?  What does it mean?</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-178991</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s pretty simple isn&#039;t it? Non-white = guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s pretty simple isn&#8217;t it? Non-white = guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: thebaron</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-180787</link>
		<dc:creator>thebaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little history about the California and TX sections of USA:

The Gadsden Purchase was intended to allow for the construction of a southern route for a transcontinental railroad. On December 30, 1853, U.S. Minister to Mexico James Gadsden and Mexican President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna agreed on the price of $10 million for the Gadsden land, which valued the included territory at around $340 per square mile ($130/kmÂ²) or about 53 cents per acre.

Mexico&#039;s cession of Alta California and Nuevo MÃ©xico and its recognition of U.S. sovereignty over all of Texas north of the Rio Grande formalized the addition of 3.1 million kmÂ² (1.2 million mi2) of territory to the United States. In return the United States agreed to pay $15 million and assumed the claims of its citizens against Mexico.

I do believe that the debit from Mexico to the USA was forgiven as well.  Considering that we paid $25 Million (roughly $750 million modern money) for a mostly worthless section of land that required tons of money to become worth anything, they got a decent deal for losing a war.  Still Crying about war loses over a hundred years ago is just downright sad.</description>
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<p>The Gadsden Purchase was intended to allow for the construction of a southern route for a transcontinental railroad. On December 30, 1853, U.S. Minister to Mexico James Gadsden and Mexican President Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna agreed on the price of $10 million for the Gadsden land, which valued the included territory at around $340 per square mile ($130/kmÂ²) or about 53 cents per acre.</p>
<p>Mexico&#8217;s cession of Alta California and Nuevo MÃ©xico and its recognition of U.S. sovereignty over all of Texas north of the Rio Grande formalized the addition of 3.1 million kmÂ² (1.2 million mi2) of territory to the United States. In return the United States agreed to pay $15 million and assumed the claims of its citizens against Mexico.</p>
<p>I do believe that the debit from Mexico to the USA was forgiven as well.  Considering that we paid $25 Million (roughly $750 million modern money) for a mostly worthless section of land that required tons of money to become worth anything, they got a decent deal for losing a war.  Still Crying about war loses over a hundred years ago is just downright sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-178996</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Immigration has eight foot tall muscle-cops, I think I&#039;ll renounce my citizenship and start over.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179254</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the problem with the immigration situation is most American&#039;s dont percieve there is any problem whatsoever - deportation is for those who really deserve it, right?

The sad fact is the people most affected by the seemingly arbitrary rules are the ones with the least say in the matter.  While the game is pretty slanted to make a point, the facts don&#039;t seem too far out of line from the truth.

Of course this is a whole side of &quot;welcome to America&quot; most citizens don&#039;t see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the problem with the immigration situation is most American&#8217;s dont percieve there is any problem whatsoever &#8211; deportation is for those who really deserve it, right?</p>
<p>The sad fact is the people most affected by the seemingly arbitrary rules are the ones with the least say in the matter.  While the game is pretty slanted to make a point, the facts don&#8217;t seem too far out of line from the truth.</p>
<p>Of course this is a whole side of &#8220;welcome to America&#8221; most citizens don&#8217;t see.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake0748</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake0748</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad there doesn&#039;t seem to BE much due process these days.  </description>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-180797</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;roughly $750 million modern money&lt;/i&gt;

You mean the price of five acres of land in downtown LA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>roughly $750 million modern money</i></p>
<p>You mean the price of five acres of land in downtown LA?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe MommaSan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179267</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe MommaSan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to learn about due process, a better method would be taking a history class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to learn about due process, a better method would be taking a history class.</p>
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		<title>By: matthewbohrer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179281</link>
		<dc:creator>matthewbohrer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to see this reaction to this sort of game.  At the Knight Foundation, we&#039;ve considered these programs and wondered about how people would react.  Your comments are helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see this reaction to this sort of game.  At the Knight Foundation, we&#8217;ve considered these programs and wondered about how people would react.  Your comments are helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: joi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179283</link>
		<dc:creator>joi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One category of issues that I&#039;ve heard of is foreign nationals who are naturalizing for citizenship whose spouses die during the waiting period. Many are now quickly deported. This is particularly unfair when the spouse is a US soldier who dies in combat. The non-US spouses of dead soldiers are often deported.

Another category that seems to be a problem is detention of immigrants based on very old charges. I heard that recently, an elderly woman was detained based on 10 year old drug possession charges and was not permitted to take her medication and died in detention. In many cases, those detained do not have access to the charges or the evidence and do not receive &quot;rights&quot; under the constitution because they are not citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One category of issues that I&#8217;ve heard of is foreign nationals who are naturalizing for citizenship whose spouses die during the waiting period. Many are now quickly deported. This is particularly unfair when the spouse is a US soldier who dies in combat. The non-US spouses of dead soldiers are often deported.</p>
<p>Another category that seems to be a problem is detention of immigrants based on very old charges. I heard that recently, an elderly woman was detained based on 10 year old drug possession charges and was not permitted to take her medication and died in detention. In many cases, those detained do not have access to the charges or the evidence and do not receive &#8220;rights&#8221; under the constitution because they are not citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: crackofthebat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179029</link>
		<dc:creator>crackofthebat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that online or offline games teach kids is how to play games. People who inflate the educational value of game playing are misinformed. People who promote the educational value of game playing are dangerous. Recreational activities like game playing have little transfer to things that matter like cooking an egg, sawing wood, calculating change or mortgage rates, and sending someone to the Moon. Time this fantasy stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that online or offline games teach kids is how to play games. People who inflate the educational value of game playing are misinformed. People who promote the educational value of game playing are dangerous. Recreational activities like game playing have little transfer to things that matter like cooking an egg, sawing wood, calculating change or mortgage rates, and sending someone to the Moon. Time this fantasy stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: crackofthebat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179031</link>
		<dc:creator>crackofthebat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that online or offline games teach kids is how to play games. People who inflate the educational value of game playing are misinformed. People who promote the educational value of game playing are dangerous. Recreational activities like game playing have little transfer to things that matter like cooking an egg, sawing wood, calculating change or mortgage rates, and sending someone to the Moon. Time this fantasy stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that online or offline games teach kids is how to play games. People who inflate the educational value of game playing are misinformed. People who promote the educational value of game playing are dangerous. Recreational activities like game playing have little transfer to things that matter like cooking an egg, sawing wood, calculating change or mortgage rates, and sending someone to the Moon. Time this fantasy stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: LogrusZed</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179036</link>
		<dc:creator>LogrusZed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;crackofthebat&lt;/b&gt;: Hey, George Costanza learned a lot from Frogger; and I know exactly how much feed and bullets I would need if I had to set out on the Oregon Trail. I&#039;m also fairly certain I could defend up to three cities with one button and a trackball.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>crackofthebat</b>: Hey, George Costanza learned a lot from Frogger; and I know exactly how much feed and bullets I would need if I had to set out on the Oregon Trail. I&#8217;m also fairly certain I could defend up to three cities with one button and a trackball.</p>
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		<title>By: BEAUTIFUL</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-180061</link>
		<dc:creator>BEAUTIFUL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://usgovinfo.about.com/blinstst.htm

Read This!</description>
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<p>Read This!</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179041</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that whole recreational book reading thing is pretty worthless, too. We should probably just start kids in vocational school at age three so that they can be trained right from the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that whole recreational book reading thing is pretty worthless, too. We should probably just start kids in vocational school at age three so that they can be trained right from the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Weiss</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179047</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t look like an online game for me.  When I clicked &quot;Play&quot; it gave me download links for Mac/PC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t look like an online game for me.  When I clicked &#8220;Play&#8221; it gave me download links for Mac/PC.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179049</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>teach them well
http://www.mtlaurel.lib.nj.us/child/childimages/endersgame.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>teach them well<br />
<a href="http://www.mtlaurel.lib.nj.us/child/childimages/endersgame.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtlaurel.lib.nj.us/child/childimages/endersgame.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/01/online-game-teaches.html#comment-179052</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ho, Tak-kun. You&#039;ve solved my puzzle, ne?</description>
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