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		<title>By: zikzak</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191492</link>
		<dc:creator>zikzak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Again, horrible horrible advice...never lie to authority. It&#039;d be nice if we could all learn not to lie to anyone...&lt;/i&gt;

But...but...surely you&#039;re not serious.
I mean, it&#039;d be nice if we could all learn not to fight too, but that doesn&#039;t mean you should never fight authority.

Sometimes, when institutions try to oppress or kill people, the victims have to do Not So Nice things to protect themselves and others.  It sucks, but consider it a form of self-defense.  Not learning self defense is an abdication of your responsibility to help yourself and those around you stay safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Again, horrible horrible advice&#8230;never lie to authority. It&#8217;d be nice if we could all learn not to lie to anyone&#8230;</i></p>
<p>But&#8230;but&#8230;surely you&#8217;re not serious.<br />
I mean, it&#8217;d be nice if we could all learn not to fight too, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you should never fight authority.</p>
<p>Sometimes, when institutions try to oppress or kill people, the victims have to do Not So Nice things to protect themselves and others.  It sucks, but consider it a form of self-defense.  Not learning self defense is an abdication of your responsibility to help yourself and those around you stay safe.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191757</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it bad to tell a lie? Conventional wisdom suggests that you should always tell the truth, but is that good advice?  There are situations when lying is the right thing to do. When the Nazis bang on your door and ask if youâ€™re hiding any Jews, you better not say yes. It might seem like a ridiculous example, but half the world lives under repressive, totalitarian regimes, where lying and survival are inseparable parts of everyday life. Even in what weâ€™re calling democracies, society may be so racist or male dominated that subterfuge is survival. If youâ€™re 16 and queer, and admitting it to your parents means getting kicked out on the street to hustle for a living, say what you need to say and donâ€™t feel guilty about it.

Iâ€™m lucky. Iâ€™m white and male and grew up in a time and place where I could always tell the truth without having to face any real consequences. Thatâ€™s true privilege. The opportunity to be honest, to be yourself without reprisal is the most fundamental human right, and the one that is most denied. Iâ€™m grateful for the privilege of honesty that Iâ€™ve enjoyed. Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m unwilling to condemn others for doing what they need to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it bad to tell a lie? Conventional wisdom suggests that you should always tell the truth, but is that good advice?  There are situations when lying is the right thing to do. When the Nazis bang on your door and ask if youâ€™re hiding any Jews, you better not say yes. It might seem like a ridiculous example, but half the world lives under repressive, totalitarian regimes, where lying and survival are inseparable parts of everyday life. Even in what weâ€™re calling democracies, society may be so racist or male dominated that subterfuge is survival. If youâ€™re 16 and queer, and admitting it to your parents means getting kicked out on the street to hustle for a living, say what you need to say and donâ€™t feel guilty about it.</p>
<p>Iâ€™m lucky. Iâ€™m white and male and grew up in a time and place where I could always tell the truth without having to face any real consequences. Thatâ€™s true privilege. The opportunity to be honest, to be yourself without reprisal is the most fundamental human right, and the one that is most denied. Iâ€™m grateful for the privilege of honesty that Iâ€™ve enjoyed. Thatâ€™s why Iâ€™m unwilling to condemn others for doing what they need to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Clif Marsiglio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191503</link>
		<dc:creator>Clif Marsiglio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I mean, it&#039;d be nice if we could all learn not to fight too, but that doesn&#039;t mean you should never fight authority.&quot;

I&#039;m entirely serious.  Just because you shouldn&#039;t lie to authority doesn&#039;t mean one should willfully submit to everything.  Oh no.  You should stand up for your rights.  And one of the ways to do this is to value your own ethics and not do it.  Another way is to simply say nothing at all.

The latter is pragmatic...if you lie, you have a far greater chance of getting caught than not saying anything.  

The worst part is this is, as I was reminded multiple times yesterday, a book for young adults.  I would not want a book in my libraries teaching my kids that lying it right.  I&#039;m not saying I&#039;ve never done it...I might be doing it right now...I&#039;m stating it is pretty irresponsible to teach children that lying is an acceptable means to an end, when it never is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I mean, it&#8217;d be nice if we could all learn not to fight too, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you should never fight authority.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m entirely serious.  Just because you shouldn&#8217;t lie to authority doesn&#8217;t mean one should willfully submit to everything.  Oh no.  You should stand up for your rights.  And one of the ways to do this is to value your own ethics and not do it.  Another way is to simply say nothing at all.</p>
<p>The latter is pragmatic&#8230;if you lie, you have a far greater chance of getting caught than not saying anything.  </p>
<p>The worst part is this is, as I was reminded multiple times yesterday, a book for young adults.  I would not want a book in my libraries teaching my kids that lying it right.  I&#8217;m not saying I&#8217;ve never done it&#8230;I might be doing it right now&#8230;I&#8217;m stating it is pretty irresponsible to teach children that lying is an acceptable means to an end, when it never is.</p>
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		<title>By: Glossolalia Black</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191506</link>
		<dc:creator>Glossolalia Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clif: I&#039;m glad our methods of lying meet your disapproval. I too disapprove of lying.  But &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; can be deceived, and &lt;i&gt;anyone&lt;/i&gt; is capable of deception, no matter who you are, or how &quot;trained&quot; you are.  It just matters how well the deception is carried out, and how savvy the deceived is to their deception.

And sometimes it relies on neither of these things, but which is best for everyone to believe.

&quot;There&#039;s a sucker born every minute.&quot; - P.T. Barnum

Saving you&#039;re immune to deception is like saying you&#039;re immune to being mugged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clif: I&#8217;m glad our methods of lying meet your disapproval. I too disapprove of lying.  But <i>anyone</i> can be deceived, and <i>anyone</i> is capable of deception, no matter who you are, or how &#8220;trained&#8221; you are.  It just matters how well the deception is carried out, and how savvy the deceived is to their deception.</p>
<p>And sometimes it relies on neither of these things, but which is best for everyone to believe.</p>
<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a sucker born every minute.&#8221; &#8211; P.T. Barnum</p>
<p>Saving you&#8217;re immune to deception is like saying you&#8217;re immune to being mugged.</p>
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		<title>By: Landowner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191509</link>
		<dc:creator>Landowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Glossolalia Black&lt;/b&gt;

That quote from P.T. Barnum has been widely refuted.   
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<p>That quote from P.T. Barnum has been widely refuted.   </p>
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		<title>By: ROSSINDETROIT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191768</link>
		<dc:creator>ROSSINDETROIT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the same lines, here&#039;s a good Esquire article by Tom Chiarella in which he discusses and demonstrates just saying &#039;no&#039; instead of the usual softer and more circuitous negatives.  It&#039;s more honest, but is it better?  
http://www.esquire.com/features/influence/say-no-0508</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the same lines, here&#8217;s a good Esquire article by Tom Chiarella in which he discusses and demonstrates just saying &#8216;no&#8217; instead of the usual softer and more circuitous negatives.  It&#8217;s more honest, but is it better?<br />
<a href="http://www.esquire.com/features/influence/say-no-0508" rel="nofollow">http://www.esquire.com/features/influence/say-no-0508</a></p>
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		<title>By: rosethornn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191513</link>
		<dc:creator>rosethornn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lying is right. If our society told the truth for one day, it would stop dead in it&#039;s tracks. It&#039;s the little lies we don&#039;t even register that gel our society together. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lying is right. If our society told the truth for one day, it would stop dead in it&#8217;s tracks. It&#8217;s the little lies we don&#8217;t even register that gel our society together. </p>
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		<title>By: rosethornn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191516</link>
		<dc:creator>rosethornn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hum, when I meant right, I more meant &quot;not morally wrong&quot;. I think applying &quot;right/wrong&quot; to the situation is naive in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hum, when I meant right, I more meant &#8220;not morally wrong&#8221;. I think applying &#8220;right/wrong&#8221; to the situation is naive in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: scottfree</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191522</link>
		<dc:creator>scottfree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is true you have the right to remain silent--even to some extent in the UK--in practise you&#039;ve got to come out with the plausible excuses when stopped, unless you want to waste everybody&#039;s time.  Sometimes a cop will see it isn&#039;t worth the effort to nick you for whatever specious reason they stopped you if they see you won&#039;t give them any information; if you do have a plausible excuse, however, then really, you should give it.  Otherwise they radio in and before you know it, there&#039;s about twelve of them, investigating whether or not you really did drop that candy bar wrapper, and are liable to pay a fine.  I&#039;m sure they would rather be solving a murder case too, but they wouldn&#039;t be doing their job if they didn&#039;t follow up on a suspicion.

Key lies:

&#039;I&#039;ll be sure to go straight home, officer.&#039;

&#039;I only had a few drinks, it&#039;s probably the allergy medication.&#039;

&#039;I did, in fact, lose them in a poker game.&#039;

&#039;Reports of someone being a public nuisance?  Oh yeah, I saw that guy, he looked nothing like me, and went that way.&#039;

&#039;I have no idea why it smells like urine.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is true you have the right to remain silent&#8211;even to some extent in the UK&#8211;in practise you&#8217;ve got to come out with the plausible excuses when stopped, unless you want to waste everybody&#8217;s time.  Sometimes a cop will see it isn&#8217;t worth the effort to nick you for whatever specious reason they stopped you if they see you won&#8217;t give them any information; if you do have a plausible excuse, however, then really, you should give it.  Otherwise they radio in and before you know it, there&#8217;s about twelve of them, investigating whether or not you really did drop that candy bar wrapper, and are liable to pay a fine.  I&#8217;m sure they would rather be solving a murder case too, but they wouldn&#8217;t be doing their job if they didn&#8217;t follow up on a suspicion.</p>
<p>Key lies:</p>
<p>&#8216;I&#8217;ll be sure to go straight home, officer.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;I only had a few drinks, it&#8217;s probably the allergy medication.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;I did, in fact, lose them in a poker game.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Reports of someone being a public nuisance?  Oh yeah, I saw that guy, he looked nothing like me, and went that way.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;I have no idea why it smells like urine.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Bottlekid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191526</link>
		<dc:creator>Bottlekid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you believe it, it&#039;s not a lie.&quot;

-George Costanza</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you believe it, it&#8217;s not a lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>-George Costanza</p>
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		<title>By: bsdnazz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191278</link>
		<dc:creator>bsdnazz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah!

It&#039;s such &#039;a well known fact&#039; that people who are lying break eye contact that people who are lying try not to break eye contact.

People who are not lying often break eye contact in normal conversation.

The very lack of breaks in eye contact suggests the person IS lying!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s such &#8216;a well known fact&#8217; that people who are lying break eye contact that people who are lying try not to break eye contact.</p>
<p>People who are not lying often break eye contact in normal conversation.</p>
<p>The very lack of breaks in eye contact suggests the person IS lying!</p>
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		<title>By: Individual</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191535</link>
		<dc:creator>Individual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I follow the George Costanza Method of Lying: &quot;It&#039;s not a lie, if you believe it.&quot; Luckily I&#039;m not a criminal, at least as the law stands now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I follow the George Costanza Method of Lying: &#8220;It&#8217;s not a lie, if you believe it.&#8221; Luckily I&#8217;m not a criminal, at least as the law stands now.</p>
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		<title>By: Xopher</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191799</link>
		<dc:creator>Xopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antinous 37: Indeed it was just such ideas that led to my reconsidering the matter.  Though I did tell the truth in some cases where it had consequences of immediate physical abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antinous 37: Indeed it was just such ideas that led to my reconsidering the matter.  Though I did tell the truth in some cases where it had consequences of immediate physical abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Lexica</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191809</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ROSSINDETROIT @ 38: &lt;i&gt;It&#039;s more honest, but is it better?&lt;/i&gt;

Taking it one step further back, is it really more honest? How is &quot;No&quot; more honest than &quot;No, thank you&quot; or &quot;No, I won&#039;t&quot; or &quot;No, I didn&#039;t&quot;?

I think the reason that Chiarella got the negative responses he did from his girlfriend and other intimates is that in this culture, at least, an unadorned &quot;No&quot; is brusque and borderline unfriendly. Getting a response of &quot;No&quot; feels like having a door slammed in one&#039;s face.

I think it&#039;s possible to make one&#039;s &quot;No&quot; clear and unequivocal, without being so brusque as to seem rude or uncaring. &quot;No, I won&#039;t do that.&quot; &quot;No, I didn&#039;t enjoy it.&quot;

As Miss Manners says, the gears of civilization mesh precariously enough without us going around chucking handfuls of sand into them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ROSSINDETROIT @ 38: <i>It&#8217;s more honest, but is it better?</i></p>
<p>Taking it one step further back, is it really more honest? How is &#8220;No&#8221; more honest than &#8220;No, thank you&#8221; or &#8220;No, I won&#8217;t&#8221; or &#8220;No, I didn&#8217;t&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think the reason that Chiarella got the negative responses he did from his girlfriend and other intimates is that in this culture, at least, an unadorned &#8220;No&#8221; is brusque and borderline unfriendly. Getting a response of &#8220;No&#8221; feels like having a door slammed in one&#8217;s face.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s possible to make one&#8217;s &#8220;No&#8221; clear and unequivocal, without being so brusque as to seem rude or uncaring. &#8220;No, I won&#8217;t do that.&#8221; &#8220;No, I didn&#8217;t enjoy it.&#8221;</p>
<p>As Miss Manners says, the gears of civilization mesh precariously enough without us going around chucking handfuls of sand into them.</p>
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		<title>By: Glossolalia Black</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191811</link>
		<dc:creator>Glossolalia Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landowner: I don&#039;t believe you!  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landowner: I don&#8217;t believe you!  ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Fee</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191310</link>
		<dc:creator>Fee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep... what he said. The not breaking eye contact is a dead giveaway.

One of Derren Brown&#039;s skills seems to be to be able to tell when people are lying.  There is a whole science behind where people look when accessing real memories and where they look when fabricating what they are saying.

If someone is going to be arrogant enough to post an instructable, you&#039;d expect them to take some time to get it right.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep&#8230; what he said. The not breaking eye contact is a dead giveaway.</p>
<p>One of Derren Brown&#8217;s skills seems to be to be able to tell when people are lying.  There is a whole science behind where people look when accessing real memories and where they look when fabricating what they are saying.</p>
<p>If someone is going to be arrogant enough to post an instructable, you&#8217;d expect them to take some time to get it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Meso</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191317</link>
		<dc:creator>Meso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t it depend on _how_ you do or don&#039;t break eye contact, though?

If I was talking to someone looking at me straight in the eyes and never breaking eye contact to the point of wanting to blink but obviously trying hard not to, I&#039;d tick.

But if they didn&#039;t break eye contact, save for when they&#039;re laughing, coughing, or otherwise geetting away from the storytelling, I wouldn&#039;t say they&#039;re lying.

It&#039;s also about keeping a natural eye contact--rather than look like having the mechanical device used in Clockwork Orange when the main character is strapped in front of a violent film.

Best advice: don&#039;t even think about it, and be natural. That&#039;s easier once you&#039;ve established to yourself that you&#039;re not lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t it depend on _how_ you do or don&#8217;t break eye contact, though?</p>
<p>If I was talking to someone looking at me straight in the eyes and never breaking eye contact to the point of wanting to blink but obviously trying hard not to, I&#8217;d tick.</p>
<p>But if they didn&#8217;t break eye contact, save for when they&#8217;re laughing, coughing, or otherwise geetting away from the storytelling, I wouldn&#8217;t say they&#8217;re lying.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also about keeping a natural eye contact&#8211;rather than look like having the mechanical device used in Clockwork Orange when the main character is strapped in front of a violent film.</p>
<p>Best advice: don&#8217;t even think about it, and be natural. That&#8217;s easier once you&#8217;ve established to yourself that you&#8217;re not lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Beanolini</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/05/19/howto-lie-to-authori.html#comment-191320</link>
		<dc:creator>Beanolini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The best way to make eye contact is to focus on an imaginary spot somewhere to the left of their head around their left ear&#039;.

So the best way to make eye contact is... to not make eye contact. Genius!

(I did think the rest of the instructable was rather more useful- particularly the bit about believing the lie yourself).

An ex-flatmate of mine used to have the habit of using the word &#039;honestly&#039; only when he lied (which was often)- it made it very easy to tell he was lying, even over the &#039;phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The best way to make eye contact is to focus on an imaginary spot somewhere to the left of their head around their left ear&#8217;.</p>
<p>So the best way to make eye contact is&#8230; to not make eye contact. Genius!</p>
<p>(I did think the rest of the instructable was rather more useful- particularly the bit about believing the lie yourself).</p>
<p>An ex-flatmate of mine used to have the habit of using the word &#8216;honestly&#8217; only when he lied (which was often)- it made it very easy to tell he was lying, even over the &#8216;phone.</p>
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		<title>By: redjade</title>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;cus on an imaginary spot somewhere to the left of their head around their left ear.&#039;&#039;

OK this confuses me.

You mean the left side of their face as I am looking at them - or, what they would consider their own left side of their face?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;cus on an imaginary spot somewhere to the left of their head around their left ear.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK this confuses me.</p>
<p>You mean the left side of their face as I am looking at them &#8211; or, what they would consider their own left side of their face?</p>
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		<title>By: Gadjo Bango</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadjo Bango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Biggest, most common tell ever:

COP: Have you been smoking anything tonight?
YOU: What?

or

PROCESS SERVER: Are you Mr. Johnson?
YOU: What?

or

HER/HIM: Whose panties/jockey shorts are these?
YOU: What?

I used to serve court papers, and everyone always &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; does this when they&#039;re about to lie. They pretend sudden-onset deafness and ransack their mental apparatus for a story while the question is repeated. 

If you don&#039;t have a good lie handy, at least come up with a snappy but totally random answer if you need to buy time (&quot;It&#039;s 3 o&#039;clock&quot; would be a great answer to any of the questions above).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biggest, most common tell ever:</p>
<p>COP: Have you been smoking anything tonight?<br />
YOU: What?</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>PROCESS SERVER: Are you Mr. Johnson?<br />
YOU: What?</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>HER/HIM: Whose panties/jockey shorts are these?<br />
YOU: What?</p>
<p>I used to serve court papers, and everyone always <i>always</i> does this when they&#8217;re about to lie. They pretend sudden-onset deafness and ransack their mental apparatus for a story while the question is repeated. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t have a good lie handy, at least come up with a snappy but totally random answer if you need to buy time (&#8220;It&#8217;s 3 o&#8217;clock&#8221; would be a great answer to any of the questions above).</p>
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		<title>By: sonny p fontaine</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m one of those freaks that doesn&#039;t make eye contact. I believe they&#039;re calling it aspergers syndrome these days.
If you want to lie and get away with it just study donald rumsfeld. that mofo can lie to beat the band.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one of those freaks that doesn&#8217;t make eye contact. I believe they&#8217;re calling it aspergers syndrome these days.<br />
If you want to lie and get away with it just study donald rumsfeld. that mofo can lie to beat the band.</p>
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		<title>By: ROSSINDETROIT</title>
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		<description>One thing that I take pains to make sure that young people understand:  when someone says &quot;honestly&quot; &quot;actually&quot; or &quot;to tell you the truth&quot; at the beginning of a sentence the very next thing out of their mouth will be a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I take pains to make sure that young people understand:  when someone says &#8220;honestly&#8221; &#8220;actually&#8221; or &#8220;to tell you the truth&#8221; at the beginning of a sentence the very next thing out of their mouth will be a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: scottfree</title>
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		<description>Well, if we&#039;re going to get all philosophical about it, you got your deontological [from deon &#039;obligation&#039;, not as I once erroneously believed &#039;de-ontology&#039;] and your teleological ethics.  There are others, I think, but these provide the boundaries of the spectrum.

Now deontologically, an act is good or bad in itself, regardless of its consequences.  So, for instance, Kant argued that it was always Wrong to lie, even if some good comes of it.  Of course, Kant never lived to see fascism.

Teleological ethics decides the moral basis for an act in its consequences; if the consequence is Good, then the act is Good.  So lie, for instance, by all means if the Nazis knock at your door, and the Rosenblum&#039;s are sitting down to dinner upstairs.

Of course, for me, I don&#039;t think people think a great deal about what they do, so it&#039;s largely irrelevant.  You can have all the morality you want, you&#039;re still going to do whatever suits you best.

Also, Xopher re: &#039;apparently&#039;, maybe it&#039;s a sort of evolution that happens as the night goes on.  With my friends, well like to talk about the news, without actually having to read it, so when someone says something like &#039;Yea, so, apparently George Bush came right out and said he was a Nazi!&#039; it will very likely become the evening&#039;s point of discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if we&#8217;re going to get all philosophical about it, you got your deontological [from deon 'obligation', not as I once erroneously believed 'de-ontology'] and your teleological ethics.  There are others, I think, but these provide the boundaries of the spectrum.</p>
<p>Now deontologically, an act is good or bad in itself, regardless of its consequences.  So, for instance, Kant argued that it was always Wrong to lie, even if some good comes of it.  Of course, Kant never lived to see fascism.</p>
<p>Teleological ethics decides the moral basis for an act in its consequences; if the consequence is Good, then the act is Good.  So lie, for instance, by all means if the Nazis knock at your door, and the Rosenblum&#8217;s are sitting down to dinner upstairs.</p>
<p>Of course, for me, I don&#8217;t think people think a great deal about what they do, so it&#8217;s largely irrelevant.  You can have all the morality you want, you&#8217;re still going to do whatever suits you best.</p>
<p>Also, Xopher re: &#8216;apparently&#8217;, maybe it&#8217;s a sort of evolution that happens as the night goes on.  With my friends, well like to talk about the news, without actually having to read it, so when someone says something like &#8216;Yea, so, apparently George Bush came right out and said he was a Nazi!&#8217; it will very likely become the evening&#8217;s point of discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: andyhavens</title>
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		<description>Since the use of language is, in and of itself, a substitution of symbols for real objects and actions, speaking is almost always going to involve some separation between intention and reality.

There are also, of course, multiple levels of meaning and symbolism embedded in different kinds of communication. When your wife, for example, asks, &quot;Do you like my new haircut?&quot; she is not asking, &quot;What is your aesthetic opinion of the shape, color and length of my hair?&quot; She is asking, &quot;Do you love me enough to support my decision to cut my hair, regardless of whether or not you think it makes me look like Prince Valiant?&quot;

Answer the question you want to, not the one being asked.

All that being said, the best way I&#039;ve found to lie directly, in terms of an efficient scheme, is to stammer very, very badly. Not the kind of tripping over your tongue that everyone does when nervous and/or lying. But the kind of thing that makes it clear that you have a real problem communicating, under any circumstances, and that talking to authority figures just makes it worse. 

This won&#039;t work for formal situations, such as in a courtroom. But for &quot;street lies&quot; and speeding tickets, most authority figures do not want to wait around while you take 5 minutes to stammer your way through a six word answer to their first question. It embarrasses most people to have to stand and wait politely for someone with a bad stammer, and they don&#039;t know what to do to help, or if they should, and it messes with their ability to decode &quot;normal&quot; cues like eye contact, etc. Also, there&#039;s an incorrect assumption that anyone with a bad stammer must be slightly slow, and that slow people are inherently less likely to be up-to-no-good.

Police officer: What are you up to out here, all alone at this time of night?

You: I w... w... w... was g... g... g... going to... g... going to s... to s... to see... to to to... g... going to s... s... see m... m... my my my...

You get the picture. Practice it first, though. Badly done (like Porky Pig), and it&#039;s obvious as hell. Also, based on having grown up with friends who stammer badly, there should be almost no eye contact. This is a nervous condition. Play it as if you are very, very nervous even about answering questions like, &quot;What time is it?&quot; What you&#039;re doing is adding noise to the signal-to-noise ratio, not trying to change the signal as much.

Is this evil? Maybe. Sure. But we&#039;re talking about how to do something effectively that&#039;s probably sinful in the first place, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the use of language is, in and of itself, a substitution of symbols for real objects and actions, speaking is almost always going to involve some separation between intention and reality.</p>
<p>There are also, of course, multiple levels of meaning and symbolism embedded in different kinds of communication. When your wife, for example, asks, &#8220;Do you like my new haircut?&#8221; she is not asking, &#8220;What is your aesthetic opinion of the shape, color and length of my hair?&#8221; She is asking, &#8220;Do you love me enough to support my decision to cut my hair, regardless of whether or not you think it makes me look like Prince Valiant?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer the question you want to, not the one being asked.</p>
<p>All that being said, the best way I&#8217;ve found to lie directly, in terms of an efficient scheme, is to stammer very, very badly. Not the kind of tripping over your tongue that everyone does when nervous and/or lying. But the kind of thing that makes it clear that you have a real problem communicating, under any circumstances, and that talking to authority figures just makes it worse. </p>
<p>This won&#8217;t work for formal situations, such as in a courtroom. But for &#8220;street lies&#8221; and speeding tickets, most authority figures do not want to wait around while you take 5 minutes to stammer your way through a six word answer to their first question. It embarrasses most people to have to stand and wait politely for someone with a bad stammer, and they don&#8217;t know what to do to help, or if they should, and it messes with their ability to decode &#8220;normal&#8221; cues like eye contact, etc. Also, there&#8217;s an incorrect assumption that anyone with a bad stammer must be slightly slow, and that slow people are inherently less likely to be up-to-no-good.</p>
<p>Police officer: What are you up to out here, all alone at this time of night?</p>
<p>You: I w&#8230; w&#8230; w&#8230; was g&#8230; g&#8230; g&#8230; going to&#8230; g&#8230; going to s&#8230; to s&#8230; to see&#8230; to to to&#8230; g&#8230; going to s&#8230; s&#8230; see m&#8230; m&#8230; my my my&#8230;</p>
<p>You get the picture. Practice it first, though. Badly done (like Porky Pig), and it&#8217;s obvious as hell. Also, based on having grown up with friends who stammer badly, there should be almost no eye contact. This is a nervous condition. Play it as if you are very, very nervous even about answering questions like, &#8220;What time is it?&#8221; What you&#8217;re doing is adding noise to the signal-to-noise ratio, not trying to change the signal as much.</p>
<p>Is this evil? Maybe. Sure. But we&#8217;re talking about how to do something effectively that&#8217;s probably sinful in the first place, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Bobdotcom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@6 - everyone knew Rumsfeld was lying, but nobody with any authority had the stones to call him on it. Those who did were branded as traitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@6 &#8211; everyone knew Rumsfeld was lying, but nobody with any authority had the stones to call him on it. Those who did were branded as traitors.</p>
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		<title>By: ROSSINDETROIT</title>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that when an authority figure is being pushy or overbearing, they will almost always look away.  This allows them to dehumanize you and avoid feelings of mistreating a person.  It helps me to say &quot;I&#039;m sorry sir.  I&#039;m hard of hearing.  What did you say?&quot;  Then they have to look you in the eye and say it slowly.  It frequently softens their attitude.  I learned this by accident, the only useful thing that ever came of being hard of hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that when an authority figure is being pushy or overbearing, they will almost always look away.  This allows them to dehumanize you and avoid feelings of mistreating a person.  It helps me to say &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry sir.  I&#8217;m hard of hearing.  What did you say?&#8221;  Then they have to look you in the eye and say it slowly.  It frequently softens their attitude.  I learned this by accident, the only useful thing that ever came of being hard of hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: hassan-i-sabbah</title>
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		<description>I thought this was default mode.An essential adjunct
to happy mutanthood! </description>
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to happy mutanthood! </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
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		<description>My definition of adulthood is &quot;the ability and willingness to take full responsibility for the impact of one&#039;s choices.&quot; Impact on self (eat your vegetables), others (clean the bathroom) or society (don&#039;t vote for Ralph Nader and throw the election to Bush.) An insistent urge to always be perfectly truthful is a common characteristic of (some) adolescents. They prefer to do something for themselves (sticking to their principles) than do something for others (make an ethical sacrifice for someone else&#039;s good.) It&#039;s an eternally slippery slope, and negotiating it is one of life&#039;s most fundamental paradoxes.

The other issue, of course, is that there is no objective truth outside of physics and math. Born again Christians, Islamic fundamentalists and other religious fanatics try to stick to their truth at all times. The moderates in every religion, the ones that we always hold up as an example of reason, are the ones who are prepared to sacrifice some of their truth in order to keep the world from going up in flames.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My definition of adulthood is &#8220;the ability and willingness to take full responsibility for the impact of one&#8217;s choices.&#8221; Impact on self (eat your vegetables), others (clean the bathroom) or society (don&#8217;t vote for Ralph Nader and throw the election to Bush.) An insistent urge to always be perfectly truthful is a common characteristic of (some) adolescents. They prefer to do something for themselves (sticking to their principles) than do something for others (make an ethical sacrifice for someone else&#8217;s good.) It&#8217;s an eternally slippery slope, and negotiating it is one of life&#8217;s most fundamental paradoxes.</p>
<p>The other issue, of course, is that there is no objective truth outside of physics and math. Born again Christians, Islamic fundamentalists and other religious fanatics try to stick to their truth at all times. The moderates in every religion, the ones that we always hold up as an example of reason, are the ones who are prepared to sacrifice some of their truth in order to keep the world from going up in flames.</p>
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		<title>By: wolfrider</title>
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		<description>I swear if I have to read one more post that says &quot;inspired by my young adult novel Little Brother&quot; I&#039;m going to scream.</description>
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		<title>By: seyo</title>
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		<description>#15, thank you for confirming that this is indeed poorly written, and that it is not me who has comprehension problems. The sentence should read:

&quot;somewhere to the left of their head around their RIGHT ear.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15, thank you for confirming that this is indeed poorly written, and that it is not me who has comprehension problems. The sentence should read:</p>
<p>&#8220;somewhere to the left of their head around their RIGHT ear.&#8221;</p>
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