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	<title>Comments on: Blackstone Audio phases out audiobook&#160;DRM</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-216644</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I&#039;m skeptical that this will work to stop pirates, since all imperceptible watermarks can be trivially removed through simple means like diffing two files&lt;/i&gt;

No, they can&#039;t, if you have a halfway decent watermarking scheme. Look up &#039;spread spectrum watermarking&#039;. Those remain embedded and readable as long as the data is readable, since the watermark is embedded in the most significant parts of the data.

Still, you reach a correct conclusion: watermarks in open formats like MP3s cannot be used to stop pirating. Since you can copy an mp3 regardless of its content, and play it any of thousands of players out there, watermark in the content is irrelevant in that regard. Watermark can only be used to establish the ownership and, for example, to ease tracking of pirated material online.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I&#8217;m skeptical that this will work to stop pirates, since all imperceptible watermarks can be trivially removed through simple means like diffing two files</i></p>
<p>No, they can&#8217;t, if you have a halfway decent watermarking scheme. Look up &#8216;spread spectrum watermarking&#8217;. Those remain embedded and readable as long as the data is readable, since the watermark is embedded in the most significant parts of the data.</p>
<p>Still, you reach a correct conclusion: watermarks in open formats like MP3s cannot be used to stop pirating. Since you can copy an mp3 regardless of its content, and play it any of thousands of players out there, watermark in the content is irrelevant in that regard. Watermark can only be used to establish the ownership and, for example, to ease tracking of pirated material online.</p>
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		<title>By: Townes</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-215877</link>
		<dc:creator>Townes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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From the previous story...

(http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/19/canadian-industry-mi-2.html)

&quot;All the &#039;freedoms&#039; your law guarantees us can be overriden by DRM, right?&quot; (Prentice&#039;s answer to this last one, &quot;The market will take care of it,&quot; is absolutely priceless.) 

So I guess Prentice was right?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the previous story&#8230;</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/19/canadian-industry-mi-2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/19/canadian-industry-mi-2.html</a>)</p>
<p>&#8220;All the &#8216;freedoms&#8217; your law guarantees us can be overriden by DRM, right?&#8221; (Prentice&#8217;s answer to this last one, &#8220;The market will take care of it,&#8221; is absolutely priceless.) </p>
<p>So I guess Prentice was right?</p>
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		<title>By: mblitch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-216651</link>
		<dc:creator>mblitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for actually saying &quot;raises the question&quot; instead of the often improperly used &quot;begs the question&quot;. The later term does not equate to the former as it is a logical argument. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for actually saying &#8220;raises the question&#8221; instead of the often improperly used &#8220;begs the question&#8221;. The later term does not equate to the former as it is a logical argument. </p>
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		<title>By: fxb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-215924</link>
		<dc:creator>fxb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great news about Blackstone.  They&#039;ve got some fantastic titles, but I&#039;ve never been able to stomach buying audiobooks through Audible.

Naxos began selling their audiobooks as DRM-free mp3 downloads a while back.  Like Blackstone, they&#039;ve got an impressive selection of classical and contemporary literature.

http://www.naxosaudiobooks.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great news about Blackstone.  They&#8217;ve got some fantastic titles, but I&#8217;ve never been able to stomach buying audiobooks through Audible.</p>
<p>Naxos began selling their audiobooks as DRM-free mp3 downloads a while back.  Like Blackstone, they&#8217;ve got an impressive selection of classical and contemporary literature.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.naxosaudiobooks.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.naxosaudiobooks.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doc Tourneau</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-215937</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Tourneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Audible and Amazon stupidly continue to stick to their guns, they&#039;re not going to have a lot of new content to offer in the near future.  

Time to revise your business models, folks, lest a new competitor shows up and eats your lunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Audible and Amazon stupidly continue to stick to their guns, they&#8217;re not going to have a lot of new content to offer in the near future.  </p>
<p>Time to revise your business models, folks, lest a new competitor shows up and eats your lunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-215954</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, this is the response I got from Amazon about Audible DRM:

&quot;Audible is DRM agnostic -- our primary goal is to offer a great
customer experience. Audiobooks purchased on Audible.com can be played
on over 600 AudibleReady devices, including Kindles, iPods and most
other MP3 players, Tom Toms and other GPS devices, Sonos and other
in-home systems, and all PCs and Macs. Unlike DRM-free MP3 music files
designed for songs, audiobook files must deliver a unique multi-hour
listening experience. Customers have recognized and appreciated
Audible&#039;s unique listening experience since the company&#039;s inception in
1997. Audible is committed to maintaining and improving the features
that drive this experience.

Audible recently announced that it is working to provide the option of
DRM-free spoken word audio titles on Audible.com for content owners
who prefer this method and are committed to working with Audible to
maintain a great customer experience.

Thanks for your interest in Amazon.com and Audible.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, this is the response I got from Amazon about Audible DRM:</p>
<p>&#8220;Audible is DRM agnostic &#8212; our primary goal is to offer a great<br />
customer experience. Audiobooks purchased on Audible.com can be played<br />
on over 600 AudibleReady devices, including Kindles, iPods and most<br />
other MP3 players, Tom Toms and other GPS devices, Sonos and other<br />
in-home systems, and all PCs and Macs. Unlike DRM-free MP3 music files<br />
designed for songs, audiobook files must deliver a unique multi-hour<br />
listening experience. Customers have recognized and appreciated<br />
Audible&#8217;s unique listening experience since the company&#8217;s inception in<br />
1997. Audible is committed to maintaining and improving the features<br />
that drive this experience.</p>
<p>Audible recently announced that it is working to provide the option of<br />
DRM-free spoken word audio titles on Audible.com for content owners<br />
who prefer this method and are committed to working with Audible to<br />
maintain a great customer experience.</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest in Amazon.com and Audible.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Agent 86</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-218259</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent 86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, the only positive grammar-nazi I&#039;ve seen on the net!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, the only positive grammar-nazi I&#8217;ve seen on the net!</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-218261</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about &quot;frenching the question&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about &#8220;frenching the question&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Agent 86</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-218269</link>
		<dc:creator>Agent 86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only after a complete 7 course meal, with 5 different cheeses and 3 wines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only after a complete 7 course meal, with 5 different cheeses and 3 wines.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Shetterly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/20/blackstone-audio-pha.html#comment-216572</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Shetterly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could bypass Amazon by loading audiofiles to Amazon through CreateSpace. It might encourage them to speed up their commitment to DRM-free files.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could bypass Amazon by loading audiofiles to Amazon through CreateSpace. It might encourage them to speed up their commitment to DRM-free files.</p>
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