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	<title>Comments on: Copyright renewal records for US books finally&#160;online</title>
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		<title>By: nilesgibbs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219195</link>
		<dc:creator>nilesgibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply wonderful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply wonderful!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219196</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We Distributed Proofreaders didn&#039;t type in each word. It was scanned and OCRed.

We did however proofread every word of the OCR twice then reformat it as a plain text document with consistent formatting for each entry so our bit is probably pretty close to what is in the original and could be converted to XML.

If you want to help proofread the worlds literature then you take 10 minutes to proofread just one page at http://www.pgdp.net/c/. Do a page a day and after a year that&#039;s like a whole book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Distributed Proofreaders didn&#8217;t type in each word. It was scanned and OCRed.</p>
<p>We did however proofread every word of the OCR twice then reformat it as a plain text document with consistent formatting for each entry so our bit is probably pretty close to what is in the original and could be converted to XML.</p>
<p>If you want to help proofread the worlds literature then you take 10 minutes to proofread just one page at <a href="http://www.pgdp.net/c/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pgdp.net/c/</a>. Do a page a day and after a year that&#8217;s like a whole book!</p>
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		<title>By: orwant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-220483</link>
		<dc:creator>orwant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuckeye,

No free Harlan here, I&#039;m afraid.  Rightsholders had to renew within the 28th year after publication, but lag at the Copyright Office often led to the renewal  date occurring in the 29th year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuckeye,</p>
<p>No free Harlan here, I&#8217;m afraid.  Rightsholders had to renew within the 28th year after publication, but lag at the Copyright Office often led to the renewal  date occurring in the 29th year.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Nelson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219205</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s the one click? All I found was a 50MB zip file. There&#039;s a lot of clicks involved in reading this. Where&#039;s the online version? They&#039;re google, for crying out lout, they should have an online version. A 50MB zip file available for download is not the same thing as &quot;records online&quot;.

Plus it crashed my browser when I tried to read the file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the one click? All I found was a 50MB zip file. There&#8217;s a lot of clicks involved in reading this. Where&#8217;s the online version? They&#8217;re google, for crying out lout, they should have an online version. A 50MB zip file available for download is not the same thing as &#8220;records online&#8221;.</p>
<p>Plus it crashed my browser when I tried to read the file.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219220</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol. Cory did say &quot;one click ... (more or less)&quot;.

For now, I&#039;d guess it&#039;s more like &quot;one small script in the language of your choice&quot;, but it probably won&#039;t be long before someone hacks together a generic solution for the less technical.

wxPython, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol. Cory did say &#8220;one click &#8230; (more or less)&#8221;.</p>
<p>For now, I&#8217;d guess it&#8217;s more like &#8220;one small script in the language of your choice&#8221;, but it probably won&#8217;t be long before someone hacks together a generic solution for the less technical.</p>
<p>wxPython, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: eclectro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219223</link>
		<dc:creator>eclectro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google, please give this person a raise. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google, please give this person a raise. </p>
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		<title>By: nilesgibbs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219224</link>
		<dc:creator>nilesgibbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that I&#039;ve actually looked at it, it&#039;s like, come on Google! Where&#039;s the custom Google copyright search? If they spent as much time on it as they claimed they did, why not go the extra couple hours and auto-import this into a wiki/blog/cms somewhere so then Google can index it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that I&#8217;ve actually looked at it, it&#8217;s like, come on Google! Where&#8217;s the custom Google copyright search? If they spent as much time on it as they claimed they did, why not go the extra couple hours and auto-import this into a wiki/blog/cms somewhere so then Google can index it?</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219226</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5: &quot;why not go the extra couple hours and auto-import this into a wiki/blog/cms somewhere&quot;

You try that on a 200-300MB XML file, and see what comes out.

Give them (or the FOSS community) time. (Or develop a solution yourself.)

I would propose a lightweight, cross-platform desktop app, that you just point at the file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5: &#8220;why not go the extra couple hours and auto-import this into a wiki/blog/cms somewhere&#8221;</p>
<p>You try that on a 200-300MB XML file, and see what comes out.</p>
<p>Give them (or the FOSS community) time. (Or develop a solution yourself.)</p>
<p>I would propose a lightweight, cross-platform desktop app, that you just point at the file.</p>
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		<title>By: ChuckEye</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219739</link>
		<dc:creator>ChuckEye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grep is your friend...
So Harlan Ellison&#039;s smut collection &quot;Sex Gang&quot; had its copyright registered 1959-09-08 and renewed 1987-12-11. When they say 28 years, do they mean to the date? &#039;cause if not, he was about 3 months late...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grep is your friend&#8230;<br />
So Harlan Ellison&#8217;s smut collection &#8220;Sex Gang&#8221; had its copyright registered 1959-09-08 and renewed 1987-12-11. When they say 28 years, do they mean to the date? &#8217;cause if not, he was about 3 months late&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AlexanderT</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-222346</link>
		<dc:creator>AlexanderT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out http://www.incopyright.org/.

It&#039;s a database-driven full-text search engine using above Google records. 

Suggestions and feedback always appreciated.

Cheers,
Alex</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out <a href="http://www.incopyright.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.incopyright.org/</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a database-driven full-text search engine using above Google records. </p>
<p>Suggestions and feedback always appreciated.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Alex</p>
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		<title>By: Michael R. Bernstein</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-222101</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael R. Bernstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While this is very nice, there is a rather large category of works in Google Book Search that despite being rather indisputably in the public domain are still not displayed in full. These works in fact *never* enjoy copyright protection, no matter when they were published (even last year).

I&#039;m referring to works authored by the U.S. Government. Try this search as an example:
http://books.google.com/books?q=inauthor:%22United+States+Congress%22

That search has 45k results across all works. If you look for &#039;Full View only&#039;, the results dwindle to about 5,700, leaving ~39k results that should be full view, but aren&#039;t.

And of course, there are other searches with similar (if generally fewer) results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While this is very nice, there is a rather large category of works in Google Book Search that despite being rather indisputably in the public domain are still not displayed in full. These works in fact *never* enjoy copyright protection, no matter when they were published (even last year).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m referring to works authored by the U.S. Government. Try this search as an example:<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?q=inauthor:%22United+States+Congress%22" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?q=inauthor:%22United+States+Congress%22</a></p>
<p>That search has 45k results across all works. If you look for &#8216;Full View only&#8217;, the results dwindle to about 5,700, leaving ~39k results that should be full view, but aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>And of course, there are other searches with similar (if generally fewer) results.</p>
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		<title>By: pcgorman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219286</link>
		<dc:creator>pcgorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stanford University has had a search interface for the renewal records for some time now: &lt;a href=&quot;http://collections.stanford.edu/copyrightrenewals/bin/page?forward=home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://collections.stanford.edu/copyrightrenewals/bin/page?forward=home&lt;/a&gt;

They also used the Gutenberg-transcribed records. You want to be careful in searching this data, as the titles and names may not correspond exactly to what you see on the title page. I usually try a number of different searches before being satisfied something&#039;s &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; in the data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stanford University has had a search interface for the renewal records for some time now: <a href="http://collections.stanford.edu/copyrightrenewals/bin/page?forward=home" rel="nofollow">http://collections.stanford.edu/copyrightrenewals/bin/page?forward=home</a></p>
<p>They also used the Gutenberg-transcribed records. You want to be careful in searching this data, as the titles and names may not correspond exactly to what you see on the title page. I usually try a number of different searches before being satisfied something&#8217;s <em>not</em> in the data.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mark Ockerbloom</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219317</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mark Ockerbloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A variety of links to various versions of these and other renewal records can be found at

  http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/

along with some tips on how to use them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A variety of links to various versions of these and other renewal records can be found at</p>
<p>  <a href="http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/" rel="nofollow">http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/</a></p>
<p>along with some tips on how to use them.</p>
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		<title>By: AlfonsoElSabio</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219578</link>
		<dc:creator>AlfonsoElSabio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@3, get a grip. 

Be grateful that the file is available at all ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@3, get a grip. </p>
<p>Be grateful that the file is available at all &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fALk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/24/copyright-renewal-re.html#comment-219357</link>
		<dc:creator>fALk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a lack of better space I would like to thank the tireless folks at the mentioned institutions for making this possible. I never understand why the governments of this world make it so hard to access public knowledge. An open society where everyone just helps everyone without the exchange of money for the benefit of the greater good is the closest to garden eden I can imagine in the 21st century. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a lack of better space I would like to thank the tireless folks at the mentioned institutions for making this possible. I never understand why the governments of this world make it so hard to access public knowledge. An open society where everyone just helps everyone without the exchange of money for the benefit of the greater good is the closest to garden eden I can imagine in the 21st century. </p>
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