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	<title>Comments on: AT&amp;T billing site makes jokes about company&#039;s participation in warrantless&#160;wiretapping?</title>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221443</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>holtt,

Your governess must have told you some bizarre bedtime stories. Or did you have a point buried deep within the parable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>holtt,</p>
<p>Your governess must have told you some bizarre bedtime stories. Or did you have a point buried deep within the parable?</p>
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		<title>By: Jake0748</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221450</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake0748</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the joke exactly?  Is it a good thing to have to worry whether or not you have something to hide?  Um... no it isn&#039;t.  I fear that too many of us have become complacent about being spied on, either by big companies or big government.  

I know that even by posting this comment something is added to my &quot;permanent record&quot;. It sucks.  Makes me feel (even more than ever) like moving into some remote cave and subsisting on roots and insects. (At least insects that don&#039;t have rfid tags attached).    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the joke exactly?  Is it a good thing to have to worry whether or not you have something to hide?  Um&#8230; no it isn&#8217;t.  I fear that too many of us have become complacent about being spied on, either by big companies or big government.  </p>
<p>I know that even by posting this comment something is added to my &#8220;permanent record&#8221;. It sucks.  Makes me feel (even more than ever) like moving into some remote cave and subsisting on roots and insects. (At least insects that don&#8217;t have rfid tags attached).    </p>
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		<title>By: Cowicide</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221455</link>
		<dc:creator>Cowicide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really dig the Post It note on her laptop that has KEEP OUT! scrawled on it.  You can tell by the bug eyes she&#039;s into midget porn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really dig the Post It note on her laptop that has KEEP OUT! scrawled on it.  You can tell by the bug eyes she&#8217;s into midget porn.</p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221456</link>
		<dc:creator>holtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antinous, you&#039;re reviving memories of milk and cookies, and... oooh... I was as a man child run wild when the estate was ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antinous, you&#8217;re reviving memories of milk and cookies, and&#8230; oooh&#8230; I was as a man child run wild when the estate was ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-222737</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate knowing that ATT violated my privacy (I have one of their cell phones plans) and knowing that they do not care, knowing that not enough clients will cancel their plans because of it, and that people in the government wont go to jail for it. If I could organize thousands of people, I would get them to move their accounts over to tmobile with complaint letters about this horrible disgusting experience &amp; get them to take not. If we as a country, as a group, could ever pull this off, I gurantee you corporations wouldn&#039;t pull this @#$% in the future. They care far more about cash than helping the feds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate knowing that ATT violated my privacy (I have one of their cell phones plans) and knowing that they do not care, knowing that not enough clients will cancel their plans because of it, and that people in the government wont go to jail for it. If I could organize thousands of people, I would get them to move their accounts over to tmobile with complaint letters about this horrible disgusting experience &#038; get them to take not. If we as a country, as a group, could ever pull this off, I gurantee you corporations wouldn&#8217;t pull this @#$% in the future. They care far more about cash than helping the feds.</p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221459</link>
		<dc:creator>holtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once we caught the gardener watching us &quot;plow the furrow&quot; and &quot;plant the seed&quot;  It was hugely exciting. 

Think about it.  Warrentless wiretaps are like the ultimate in peeping tom voyeurism.  Maybe people are just envious and wish THEY could listen in on phone calls.  Actually (in a stream of consciousness sort of way)...  

Imagine you could set up a website that let you just listen to anonymous phone calls.  Or imagine even that you had to pay a dollar an hour to do it. 

It would make you millions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once we caught the gardener watching us &#8220;plow the furrow&#8221; and &#8220;plant the seed&#8221;  It was hugely exciting. </p>
<p>Think about it.  Warrentless wiretaps are like the ultimate in peeping tom voyeurism.  Maybe people are just envious and wish THEY could listen in on phone calls.  Actually (in a stream of consciousness sort of way)&#8230;  </p>
<p>Imagine you could set up a website that let you just listen to anonymous phone calls.  Or imagine even that you had to pay a dollar an hour to do it. </p>
<p>It would make you millions.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221716</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;wiretapping is a far cry from snooping and/or planting things on someone&#039;s computer.&lt;/i&gt;

Which is why I added that they can edit your communication. &quot;What? You claim you haven&#039;t been talking to terrorists/pedophiles? We have your e-mails to them and your bank transfers to their accounts that show otherwise.&quot; It doesn&#039;t have to go to court, you may in fact be able to prove the gov info is wrong. Doesn&#039;t matter, your career is over, your personal life in ruins, your reputation is shot and you went bankrupt defending yourself.

This is why online privacy is so important. Not because &quot;Oh, I guess I can&#039;t look at porn any more.&quot; Take a look at this story:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/06/24/seizing-laptops-and-cameras-without-cause.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seizing Laptops and Cameras Without Cause&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Returning from a vacation to Germany in February, freelance journalist Bill Hogan was selected for additional screening by customs officials at Dulles International Airport outside Washington. Agents searched his luggage, he said, &quot;then they told me that they were impounding my laptop.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Business is responding:

&lt;blockquote&gt;the controversial practice has prompted some businesses to change their policies about traveling with corporate information. Many now require employees to access data remotely to avoid confiscations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The point that I wish to make here is that this will also be the home users best response. Either get a secure remote account, they already exist, or else take your important PC off line and restrict internet surfing to a stripped down, highly secured PC. This will once again introduce a digital divide between those who know how, or can afford to hire someone who knows, to set up a secure PC for the internet and those who can&#039;t.

But increased state and corporate power over the internet also threatens the internet&#039;s generativity:

&lt;blockquote&gt;the Internetâ€™s generativity lies not only in the end-to-end openness of the network but also in the networkâ€™s endpoints, the personal computers and other hardware that we use to communicate over the Internet. Virtually all the debate over the Internetâ€™s generativity has centered on the openness of the network (often termed â€œnetwork neutralityâ€) and content available on the network (principally, the debate over copyright industriesâ€™ use of digital encryption and digital rights management). But as Zittrain cogently argues, the proliferation of personal computers, mobile phones, and other network communication devices that are themselves non-generative -- that sharply constrain usersâ€™ ability to adapt and use them outside the deviceâ€™s predetermined functionality or the supplierâ€™s ongoing controlâ€“ may greatly diminish the generativity of the system as a whole.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/06/jonathan-zittrain-future-of-internet.html&quot;&gt;Jonathan Zittrain, The Future of the Internet -- And How to Stop It&lt;/a&gt;

If the internet becomes so hostile to privacy that in order to use it you have to use an internet appliance, a secure account, a stripped down PC, your iPhone or whatever, then you have effectively killed off the very thing that has made the internet so attractive.

There is nothing inherent in digital communication that necessarily  results in the free open model we have had so far. It could just as easily be the most repressive form of control we&#039;ve ever seen. Far outstripping any of repressive dictatorships we&#039;ve experienced so far. We have a choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>wiretapping is a far cry from snooping and/or planting things on someone&#8217;s computer.</i></p>
<p>Which is why I added that they can edit your communication. &#8220;What? You claim you haven&#8217;t been talking to terrorists/pedophiles? We have your e-mails to them and your bank transfers to their accounts that show otherwise.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t have to go to court, you may in fact be able to prove the gov info is wrong. Doesn&#8217;t matter, your career is over, your personal life in ruins, your reputation is shot and you went bankrupt defending yourself.</p>
<p>This is why online privacy is so important. Not because &#8220;Oh, I guess I can&#8217;t look at porn any more.&#8221; Take a look at this story:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/national/2008/06/24/seizing-laptops-and-cameras-without-cause.html" rel="nofollow">Seizing Laptops and Cameras Without Cause</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Returning from a vacation to Germany in February, freelance journalist Bill Hogan was selected for additional screening by customs officials at Dulles International Airport outside Washington. Agents searched his luggage, he said, &#8220;then they told me that they were impounding my laptop.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Business is responding:</p>
<blockquote><p>the controversial practice has prompted some businesses to change their policies about traveling with corporate information. Many now require employees to access data remotely to avoid confiscations.</p></blockquote>
<p>The point that I wish to make here is that this will also be the home users best response. Either get a secure remote account, they already exist, or else take your important PC off line and restrict internet surfing to a stripped down, highly secured PC. This will once again introduce a digital divide between those who know how, or can afford to hire someone who knows, to set up a secure PC for the internet and those who can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But increased state and corporate power over the internet also threatens the internet&#8217;s generativity:</p>
<blockquote><p>the Internetâ€™s generativity lies not only in the end-to-end openness of the network but also in the networkâ€™s endpoints, the personal computers and other hardware that we use to communicate over the Internet. Virtually all the debate over the Internetâ€™s generativity has centered on the openness of the network (often termed â€œnetwork neutralityâ€) and content available on the network (principally, the debate over copyright industriesâ€™ use of digital encryption and digital rights management). But as Zittrain cogently argues, the proliferation of personal computers, mobile phones, and other network communication devices that are themselves non-generative &#8212; that sharply constrain usersâ€™ ability to adapt and use them outside the deviceâ€™s predetermined functionality or the supplierâ€™s ongoing controlâ€“ may greatly diminish the generativity of the system as a whole.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://balkin.blogspot.com/2008/06/jonathan-zittrain-future-of-internet.html">Jonathan Zittrain, The Future of the Internet &#8212; And How to Stop It</a></p>
<p>If the internet becomes so hostile to privacy that in order to use it you have to use an internet appliance, a secure account, a stripped down PC, your iPhone or whatever, then you have effectively killed off the very thing that has made the internet so attractive.</p>
<p>There is nothing inherent in digital communication that necessarily  results in the free open model we have had so far. It could just as easily be the most repressive form of control we&#8217;ve ever seen. Far outstripping any of repressive dictatorships we&#8217;ve experienced so far. We have a choice.</p>
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		<title>By: holtt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221464</link>
		<dc:creator>holtt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point by the way was that when you&#039;re looking for something and are convinced it&#039;s rampant, you&#039;re probably going to see it everywhere you look.  Like Bolsheviks under your bed.

I&#039;m saying this interpretation of this ad is like an ink blot test - and how someone interprets it is an indication of their mindset and predisposition to belief (well founded or not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point by the way was that when you&#8217;re looking for something and are convinced it&#8217;s rampant, you&#8217;re probably going to see it everywhere you look.  Like Bolsheviks under your bed.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m saying this interpretation of this ad is like an ink blot test &#8211; and how someone interprets it is an indication of their mindset and predisposition to belief (well founded or not).</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221468</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It will make trials simpler. Of course they have proof.  Everything is recorded.  Why even check?  Americans should pay a little attention to how things have worked in Japan this past century or so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will make trials simpler. Of course they have proof.  Everything is recorded.  Why even check?  Americans should pay a little attention to how things have worked in Japan this past century or so.</p>
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		<title>By: GHM327</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221724</link>
		<dc:creator>GHM327</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was once contacted by ATT&amp;T and asked if i wanted to change my plan or service or something of the sort involving the word &#039;bundle&#039; when i decided to take the opportunity to make my feelings known about the NSA spying, and inquired to see if they offer a &#039;spy free&#039; service, where i could pay more to not be spyed on...

first the young woman i was speaking with, who was chewing gum in my ear, began to inform me of her absolute ignorance of world affairs in a valley girl voice, in forming me directly and without shame that she didnt pay any attention to politics because it has nothing to do with her life!

i got frustrated with the call and hung up...yet the phone rang again...ATT&amp;T had called back! it was a supervisor, who started trying to question me as to the nature of my knowledge of a &#039;spying program&#039; and was feigning total ignorance, as though he was also unaware of any such thing. and began questioning what it was i had to hide anyway. it was obvious he was bored at work and was trying to entertain himself by harassing me. so i again hung up.

heres where it gets really freaky...they call back a third time! at this point im working out my escape plan to mexico, and wondering if i should put my hard drive in a microwave for good measure!

has this for of deliberate harassment ever happened to anyone else?

trthqlsvrs[t]html.cm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was once contacted by ATT&#038;T and asked if i wanted to change my plan or service or something of the sort involving the word &#8216;bundle&#8217; when i decided to take the opportunity to make my feelings known about the NSA spying, and inquired to see if they offer a &#8216;spy free&#8217; service, where i could pay more to not be spyed on&#8230;</p>
<p>first the young woman i was speaking with, who was chewing gum in my ear, began to inform me of her absolute ignorance of world affairs in a valley girl voice, in forming me directly and without shame that she didnt pay any attention to politics because it has nothing to do with her life!</p>
<p>i got frustrated with the call and hung up&#8230;yet the phone rang again&#8230;ATT&#038;T had called back! it was a supervisor, who started trying to question me as to the nature of my knowledge of a &#8216;spying program&#8217; and was feigning total ignorance, as though he was also unaware of any such thing. and began questioning what it was i had to hide anyway. it was obvious he was bored at work and was trying to entertain himself by harassing me. so i again hung up.</p>
<p>heres where it gets really freaky&#8230;they call back a third time! at this point im working out my escape plan to mexico, and wondering if i should put my hard drive in a microwave for good measure!</p>
<p>has this for of deliberate harassment ever happened to anyone else?</p>
<p>trthqlsvrs[t]html.cm</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221725</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To everyone who claims not to be a troll: Prove it. Say something human and compassionate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To everyone who claims not to be a troll: Prove it. Say something human and compassionate.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221472</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does Hello Kitty have to do with this?</description>
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		<title>By: eustace</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221729</link>
		<dc:creator>eustace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ummm...  I really feel for the poor woman in the ad, desperately trying to hide her particular pron fetish from the man; just beginning to realize the futility of the attempt.  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ummm&#8230;  I really feel for the poor woman in the ad, desperately trying to hide her particular pron fetish from the man; just beginning to realize the futility of the attempt.  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: mekrod</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221985</link>
		<dc:creator>mekrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah boo on them spying on me... I&#039;m busy posting all of the same info on twitter.  Why not just watch that lol.  Schizo liberty for some no abortions for others and so forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah boo on them spying on me&#8230; I&#8217;m busy posting all of the same info on twitter.  Why not just watch that lol.  Schizo liberty for some no abortions for others and so forth.</p>
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		<title>By: ursonate</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221477</link>
		<dc:creator>ursonate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read into it whatever you want, but that promo has been on the site for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read into it whatever you want, but that promo has been on the site for years.</p>
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		<title>By: So-Called Austin Mayor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221990</link>
		<dc:creator>So-Called Austin Mayor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reid: &quot;It&#039;s as if their marketing department thinks that warrantless wiretapping is funny or something.&quot;

AT&amp;T doesn&#039;t think warrant-less wiretapping is funny.

But they do think being able to tell customers to go fuck themselves over the issue of warrant-less wiretapping is hilarious.

-- SCAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid: &#8220;It&#8217;s as if their marketing department thinks that warrantless wiretapping is funny or something.&#8221;</p>
<p>AT&#038;T doesn&#8217;t think warrant-less wiretapping is funny.</p>
<p>But they do think being able to tell customers to go fuck themselves over the issue of warrant-less wiretapping is hilarious.</p>
<p>&#8211; SCAM</p>
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		<title>By: leonjacobs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221484</link>
		<dc:creator>leonjacobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>f y cn lp frm tht stpd hdln t wrtppng y shld cnsdr  crr n thltcs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>f y cn lp frm tht stpd hdln t wrtppng y shld cnsdr  crr n thltcs.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221485</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;ve never seen a Hello Kitty pink interrogation truncheon? The colour hides the flecks of brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;ve never seen a Hello Kitty pink interrogation truncheon? The colour hides the flecks of brain.</p>
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		<title>By: nikos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221741</link>
		<dc:creator>nikos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
I admire and respect the wisdom and wit of the fair beloved of Hadrian and the wily pickle squid.</description>
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		<title>By: Purly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221742</link>
		<dc:creator>Purly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WTF.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF.</p>
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		<title>By: Billybob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221743</link>
		<dc:creator>Billybob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK smartypants, the system is called SCAN, we used to joke and refer to it as SNAC.
It is still in use in every ordinary telephone call in the UK.
I don&#039;t know if the mobile operators have a similair sytem, but I would be suprised if they didn&#039;t.
Before exchanges went digital, they would have to physically put 10,000 croc-clips on the frame connected to an early computer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK smartypants, the system is called SCAN, we used to joke and refer to it as SNAC.<br />
It is still in use in every ordinary telephone call in the UK.<br />
I don&#8217;t know if the mobile operators have a similair sytem, but I would be suprised if they didn&#8217;t.<br />
Before exchanges went digital, they would have to physically put 10,000 croc-clips on the frame connected to an early computer.</p>
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		<title>By: BookGuy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221749</link>
		<dc:creator>BookGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17:  Nothing as tame as midget porn.  I say amputee porn.

Simplify, Organize, Liberate sounds like something the kids in &quot;The Wave&quot; would shout while giving their little team power salute.  Then at the end, when they realize they&#039;ve been working not for Hitler, but rather for AT&amp;T, they all have a good cry and renounce their ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17:  Nothing as tame as midget porn.  I say amputee porn.</p>
<p>Simplify, Organize, Liberate sounds like something the kids in &#8220;The Wave&#8221; would shout while giving their little team power salute.  Then at the end, when they realize they&#8217;ve been working not for Hitler, but rather for AT&#038;T, they all have a good cry and renounce their ways.</p>
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		<title>By: noen</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221518</link>
		<dc:creator>noen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who think that they have no worries because they&#039;ll have nothing to hide have big surprise in store for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who think that they have no worries because they&#8217;ll have nothing to hide have big surprise in store for them.</p>
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		<title>By: davevontexas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-225617</link>
		<dc:creator>davevontexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ rad head: 

Actually, I&#039;ve been putting off getting a cell phone again for a while now, and it&#039;s probably time to quit resisting. Credo looks pretty good. Thanks for the tip. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ rad head: </p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve been putting off getting a cell phone again for a while now, and it&#8217;s probably time to quit resisting. Credo looks pretty good. Thanks for the tip. </p>
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		<title>By: billso</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-225109</link>
		<dc:creator>billso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the 2046 edition of Hitchiker&#039;s Guide to the Galaxy: &quot;AT&amp;T&#039;s marketing department were the first ones with their backs against the wall when the revolution came.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the 2046 edition of Hitchiker&#8217;s Guide to the Galaxy: &#8220;AT&#038;T&#8217;s marketing department were the first ones with their backs against the wall when the revolution came.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Modusoperandi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221529</link>
		<dc:creator>Modusoperandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;holtt&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;&quot;Imagine you could set up a website that let you just listen to anonymous phone calls. Or imagine even that you had to pay a dollar an hour to do it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Typical phone banter:
&lt;blockquote&gt;What? You want me to open the store today? But it&#039;s my day off!&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
or
&lt;blockquote&gt;Oh. Hi mom. No, I&#039;m not married yet. Not much. Just got home from work. Yes, I am having a beer. No, I&#039;m not getting drunk. You&#039;re putting dad on? Yes, dad...the car is running fine.&lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
If listening to that turns you on, I recommend a new hobby. Also, if listening to that helps fight terrorism, then terrorism is the least of our worries.


&lt;b&gt;*&lt;/b&gt; Note: based on every conversation I&#039;ve ever had on the phone with my parents.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>holtt</b> <i>&#8220;Imagine you could set up a website that let you just listen to anonymous phone calls. Or imagine even that you had to pay a dollar an hour to do it.&#8221;</i><br />
Typical phone banter:</p>
<blockquote><p>What? You want me to open the store today? But it&#8217;s my day off!</p></blockquote>
<p>or</p>
<blockquote><p>Oh. Hi mom. No, I&#8217;m not married yet. Not much. Just got home from work. Yes, I am having a beer. No, I&#8217;m not getting drunk. You&#8217;re putting dad on? Yes, dad&#8230;the car is running fine.<b>*</b></p></blockquote>
<p>If listening to that turns you on, I recommend a new hobby. Also, if listening to that helps fight terrorism, then terrorism is the least of our worries.</p>
<p><b>*</b> Note: based on every conversation I&#8217;ve ever had on the phone with my parents.</p>
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		<title>By: hohum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221537</link>
		<dc:creator>hohum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@5 RJ, 28 Noen has some wise words there. And even if your conversations truly are &lt;em&gt;so&lt;/em&gt; mundane as to be beyond the possibility of incrimination... This is just one of those times to think of the big picture, think about others. Just because it doesn&#039;t affect you... it&#039;s a big deal to a lot of people - an invasion of privacy is nothing to take lightly. Not trying to hate here... but just because it &quot;doesn&#039;t matter in your situation&quot; doesn&#039;t mean you shouldn&#039;t be passionately against it, if you care about your fellow &#039;mericans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@5 RJ, 28 Noen has some wise words there. And even if your conversations truly are <em>so</em> mundane as to be beyond the possibility of incrimination&#8230; This is just one of those times to think of the big picture, think about others. Just because it doesn&#8217;t affect you&#8230; it&#8217;s a big deal to a lot of people &#8211; an invasion of privacy is nothing to take lightly. Not trying to hate here&#8230; but just because it &#8220;doesn&#8217;t matter in your situation&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean you shouldn&#8217;t be passionately against it, if you care about your fellow &#8216;mericans.</p>
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		<title>By: RJ</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221794</link>
		<dc:creator>RJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@28
Uh huh. Well, there ya go.

@39
I love you. Give me money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@28<br />
Uh huh. Well, there ya go.</p>
<p>@39<br />
I love you. Give me money.</p>
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		<title>By: padster123</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-221797</link>
		<dc:creator>padster123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone (in authority) makes a comment about how, if you&#039;ve got nothing to hide, you should comply with any and all of their invasive procedures... just ask them if they&#039;d mind taking off all their clothes in public. 

What? No? But surely they&#039;ve got nothing to hide? OH - SO NOW THEY FINALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF PRIVACY!!!

Not that you can reason with these people, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone (in authority) makes a comment about how, if you&#8217;ve got nothing to hide, you should comply with any and all of their invasive procedures&#8230; just ask them if they&#8217;d mind taking off all their clothes in public. </p>
<p>What? No? But surely they&#8217;ve got nothing to hide? OH &#8211; SO NOW THEY FINALLY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF PRIVACY!!!</p>
<p>Not that you can reason with these people, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: rad_head</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/06/27/att-billing-site-mak.html#comment-222313</link>
		<dc:creator>rad_head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I have to say is join me on my carrier.  I have no complaints and they did not or will not engage in spying on you without a court order:

http://www.credomobile.com/

Plus a small portion of your bill goes to some good causes.
Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I have to say is join me on my carrier.  I have no complaints and they did not or will not engage in spying on you without a court order:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.credomobile.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.credomobile.com/</a></p>
<p>Plus a small portion of your bill goes to some good causes.<br />
Peace</p>
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