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		<title>By: reaper2k</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227853</link>
		<dc:creator>reaper2k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, this bears repeating. Section 107 of the Copyright code (commonly called Fair Use) limits the rights of the author, allowing parts of a copyrighted work to be used without requesting permission.

In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include --

   1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
   2. the nature of the copyrighted work;
   3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
   4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Such circumstances are LIMITED to criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research. 

Fair Use is NOT carte blanche to use any amount of a copyrighted work for any amount of time just because you&#039;re not making money off of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this bears repeating. Section 107 of the Copyright code (commonly called Fair Use) limits the rights of the author, allowing parts of a copyrighted work to be used without requesting permission.</p>
<p>In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include &#8211;</p>
<p>   1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;<br />
   2. the nature of the copyrighted work;<br />
   3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and<br />
   4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.</p>
<p>Such circumstances are LIMITED to criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research. </p>
<p>Fair Use is NOT carte blanche to use any amount of a copyrighted work for any amount of time just because you&#8217;re not making money off of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227891</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reaper2k, you&#039;re just plain wrong.

Please see, for example, the dicta in Universal v Sony (commonly called the Betamax trial), which is arguably the most famous fair use case in the history of US jurisprudence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reaper2k, you&#8217;re just plain wrong.</p>
<p>Please see, for example, the dicta in Universal v Sony (commonly called the Betamax trial), which is arguably the most famous fair use case in the history of US jurisprudence.</p>
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		<title>By: Avram</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-228147</link>
		<dc:creator>Avram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think is being missed here is that the quoted section of copyright law says: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;the purpose and character of the use, &lt;strong&gt;including&lt;/strong&gt; whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Including&quot; implies that there are other cases in addition to the ones being mentioned. If Congress had said &quot;specifically&quot; instead of &quot;including&quot;, or just left off everything before the word &quot;whether&quot;, then the argument that Fair Use is limited to the mentioned cases might be valid. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think is being missed here is that the quoted section of copyright law says: </p>
<blockquote><p>the purpose and character of the use, <strong>including</strong> whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Including&#8221; implies that there are other cases in addition to the ones being mentioned. If Congress had said &#8220;specifically&#8221; instead of &#8220;including&#8221;, or just left off everything before the word &#8220;whether&#8221;, then the argument that Fair Use is limited to the mentioned cases might be valid. </p>
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		<title>By: mujadaddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227895</link>
		<dc:creator>mujadaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cory,

How is what Reaper2K said &quot;wrong&quot;?  Granted, he didn&#039;t exhaustively list all the applications of Fair Use, but &lt;i&gt;Universal v Sony&lt;/i&gt; is a case for personal use, not for remixing &amp; rebroadcasting.

I just want to know what you think was &quot;wrong&quot; in what Reaper2K listed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory,</p>
<p>How is what Reaper2K said &#8220;wrong&#8221;?  Granted, he didn&#8217;t exhaustively list all the applications of Fair Use, but <i>Universal v Sony</i> is a case for personal use, not for remixing &#038; rebroadcasting.</p>
<p>I just want to know what you think was &#8220;wrong&#8221; in what Reaper2K listed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227898</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mujadaddy: This:

&quot;Such circumstances are LIMITED to criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research.&quot;

Is absolutely wrong. If it were right, then time-shifting would only be legal for critics, commenters, scholars, researchers, teachers. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mujadaddy: This:</p>
<p>&#8220;Such circumstances are LIMITED to criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is absolutely wrong. If it were right, then time-shifting would only be legal for critics, commenters, scholars, researchers, teachers. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227905</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be more specific -- Reaper2k implies that failure to qualify for any of the four factors (specifically, factor 1) disqualifies the use from being considered fair.

Betamax (and other cases, including, for example, 2LiveCrew) show that courts must weigh all the factors, and a failure to meet one isn&#039;t a failure to qualify as FU. Arguably, Betamax shows that even if NONE of the factors are met, judges can determine that a use is fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be more specific &#8212; Reaper2k implies that failure to qualify for any of the four factors (specifically, factor 1) disqualifies the use from being considered fair.</p>
<p>Betamax (and other cases, including, for example, 2LiveCrew) show that courts must weigh all the factors, and a failure to meet one isn&#8217;t a failure to qualify as FU. Arguably, Betamax shows that even if NONE of the factors are met, judges can determine that a use is fair.</p>
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		<title>By: mujadaddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227908</link>
		<dc:creator>mujadaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s the point, really.  Reaper2K is &lt;b&gt;quoting&lt;/b&gt; the law.

Time-shifting isn&#039;t remixing or rebroadcast.  The point of &lt;i&gt;Universal v Sony&lt;/i&gt; is that the end-user can legally time-shift something for their own use.  Once you rebroadcast something, in whole or in part, you&#039;re no longer simply time-shifting-- you&#039;ve moved into the realm of &quot;comment&quot; (usually and using the most liberal definition of &quot;comment&quot;) and you must then stay on the legal side of the lines of rebroadcast, even though, per &quot;criticism &amp; comment,&quot; you need not seek permission first.

Weird Al Yankovic is actually probably the subject matter expert who needs to chime in on this.  I know that he _always_ errs on the side of legal caution with respect to parody, even though the law is probably on his side no matter how vicious a parody he might perform.  Al gets permission first -- he&#039;s never done a Prince song for lack of permission (and is quite bitter about it, if you&#039;ve ever heard him talk about it...).

To sum up, &quot;Fair Use&quot; is different from the &quot;Fair Use Doctrine&quot; which is explicitly stated in Sec.107 -- the latter are limitations on the rights of authors; the former are the &lt;u&gt;unspecified&lt;/u&gt; rights of the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s the point, really.  Reaper2K is <b>quoting</b> the law.</p>
<p>Time-shifting isn&#8217;t remixing or rebroadcast.  The point of <i>Universal v Sony</i> is that the end-user can legally time-shift something for their own use.  Once you rebroadcast something, in whole or in part, you&#8217;re no longer simply time-shifting&#8211; you&#8217;ve moved into the realm of &#8220;comment&#8221; (usually and using the most liberal definition of &#8220;comment&#8221;) and you must then stay on the legal side of the lines of rebroadcast, even though, per &#8220;criticism &#038; comment,&#8221; you need not seek permission first.</p>
<p>Weird Al Yankovic is actually probably the subject matter expert who needs to chime in on this.  I know that he _always_ errs on the side of legal caution with respect to parody, even though the law is probably on his side no matter how vicious a parody he might perform.  Al gets permission first &#8212; he&#8217;s never done a Prince song for lack of permission (and is quite bitter about it, if you&#8217;ve ever heard him talk about it&#8230;).</p>
<p>To sum up, &#8220;Fair Use&#8221; is different from the &#8220;Fair Use Doctrine&#8221; which is explicitly stated in Sec.107 &#8212; the latter are limitations on the rights of authors; the former are the <u>unspecified</u> rights of the public.</p>
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		<title>By: sylvar</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227910</link>
		<dc:creator>sylvar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course this isn&#039;t about how to make online videos without getting sued -- it&#039;s how to optimize your chances that, if you do get sued and you don&#039;t run out of money before the corporation does (good luck!), the last court to consider the case will rule in your favor.

Otherwise, saying &quot;HOWTO make online videos without getting sued: fair use!&quot; is like saying &quot;HOWTO not get sued by the RIAA: be a laser printer!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course this isn&#8217;t about how to make online videos without getting sued &#8212; it&#8217;s how to optimize your chances that, if you do get sued and you don&#8217;t run out of money before the corporation does (good luck!), the last court to consider the case will rule in your favor.</p>
<p>Otherwise, saying &#8220;HOWTO make online videos without getting sued: fair use!&#8221; is like saying &#8220;HOWTO not get sued by the RIAA: be a laser printer!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mujadaddy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227916</link>
		<dc:creator>mujadaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: #5 -- I bet you wish you could edit your comments :)

Anyhow, something else I wanted to mention was the fact that the Doctrine (Sec.107) is there to prevent some jagoff from time-shifting a football* game by a few minutes and adding his own running commentary on the action, and then rebroadcasting that in his bar and charging people a cover based on the fact that the game is on.

That&#039;s not fair use by any definition, but that&#039;s an extreme example of something that isn&#039;t, just so we have a negative reference point, &lt;i&gt;capiche&lt;/i&gt;?




*See? I used the Atlanto-agnostic term just for YOU. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #5 &#8212; I bet you wish you could edit your comments :)</p>
<p>Anyhow, something else I wanted to mention was the fact that the Doctrine (Sec.107) is there to prevent some jagoff from time-shifting a football* game by a few minutes and adding his own running commentary on the action, and then rebroadcasting that in his bar and charging people a cover based on the fact that the game is on.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not fair use by any definition, but that&#8217;s an extreme example of something that isn&#8217;t, just so we have a negative reference point, <i>capiche</i>?</p>
<p>*See? I used the Atlanto-agnostic term just for YOU. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-227932</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The point of Universal v Sony is that the end-user can legally time-shift something for their own use. &quot;

No, the point of Betamax is that judges can create new exceptions to copyright that dramatically fail one or more of the four factors.

The dicta in Betamax show that the judges believed that Betamax doesn&#039;t have jurisprudence on its side. They were making up new law because common sense made them believe that this was a fair use.

Regarding retranmission: the majority (the vast majority) of successful fair use defenses have involved public distribution/transmission of copyrighted materials (because private use is invisible to rightsholders). Indeed, most scholars at the time of Betamax believed that Sony would lose because a VHS recording *failed to transform* the copyrighted work -- that is, failed to do the thing that made fair use defenses successful in past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The point of Universal v Sony is that the end-user can legally time-shift something for their own use. &#8221;</p>
<p>No, the point of Betamax is that judges can create new exceptions to copyright that dramatically fail one or more of the four factors.</p>
<p>The dicta in Betamax show that the judges believed that Betamax doesn&#8217;t have jurisprudence on its side. They were making up new law because common sense made them believe that this was a fair use.</p>
<p>Regarding retranmission: the majority (the vast majority) of successful fair use defenses have involved public distribution/transmission of copyrighted materials (because private use is invisible to rightsholders). Indeed, most scholars at the time of Betamax believed that Sony would lose because a VHS recording *failed to transform* the copyrighted work &#8212; that is, failed to do the thing that made fair use defenses successful in past.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarterus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/07/howto-make-online-vi.html#comment-228208</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarterus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. On the report from American:  This is the first time I have been disappointed with a report or set of recommendations that American has put out.  The usually amazing cast of academics that worked on these recommendations wrote a short document that does little to help online video creators.

The text of the document reads like a law school exam and was clearly not reviewed by your average UGC video creator to see if it makes sense or if it is useful.  Many of the recommendations appear to be pulled from the documentary film maker principles with little regard for the different audience.

I hope the report is rewritten in a more useful manner to average users.


2. fair use: Fair use is more then the 4 factors, fair use is the codification of the 1st Amendment in the copyright act. PS Israel has fair use also, it will be interesting to see how the courts interpret it there.

3. Post #1 wrongly quotes section 107, the languge is: &quot;for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.&quot;  

The term &quot;such as&quot; gives examples but does not limit uses to the list.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. On the report from American:  This is the first time I have been disappointed with a report or set of recommendations that American has put out.  The usually amazing cast of academics that worked on these recommendations wrote a short document that does little to help online video creators.</p>
<p>The text of the document reads like a law school exam and was clearly not reviewed by your average UGC video creator to see if it makes sense or if it is useful.  Many of the recommendations appear to be pulled from the documentary film maker principles with little regard for the different audience.</p>
<p>I hope the report is rewritten in a more useful manner to average users.</p>
<p>2. fair use: Fair use is more then the 4 factors, fair use is the codification of the 1st Amendment in the copyright act. PS Israel has fair use also, it will be interesting to see how the courts interpret it there.</p>
<p>3. Post #1 wrongly quotes section 107, the languge is: &#8220;for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.&#8221;  </p>
<p>The term &#8220;such as&#8221; gives examples but does not limit uses to the list.  </p>
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		<title>By: mujadaddy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mujadaddy</dc:creator>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No, the point of Betamax is that judges can create new exceptions to copyright that dramatically fail one or more of the four factors.&lt;/i&gt;

Codifying new public rights based on common sense is sort of what judges do.  The judge isn&#039;t &quot;creating&quot; new exceptions (hello, Right Wing Paranoid Fantasy), he&#039;s merely explicitly defending them.  It&#039;s the same as the &quot;Right to Privacy&quot; that isn&#039;t explicitly stated anywhere but must be fought for in the judicial arena when it is threatened.

Regardless, timeshifting for personal use *is* what &lt;i&gt;Universal v Sony&lt;/i&gt; was about, not for rebroadcast.

Are you missing the distinctions that I make between timeshifting (covered in &lt;i&gt;Universal v Sony&lt;/i&gt;) and criticism/comment Fair Use (covered in Sec.107)?  Law is a funny old bird in that it insists that things be spelled out in tortuous (tortious? :D) language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No, the point of Betamax is that judges can create new exceptions to copyright that dramatically fail one or more of the four factors.</i></p>
<p>Codifying new public rights based on common sense is sort of what judges do.  The judge isn&#8217;t &#8220;creating&#8221; new exceptions (hello, Right Wing Paranoid Fantasy), he&#8217;s merely explicitly defending them.  It&#8217;s the same as the &#8220;Right to Privacy&#8221; that isn&#8217;t explicitly stated anywhere but must be fought for in the judicial arena when it is threatened.</p>
<p>Regardless, timeshifting for personal use *is* what <i>Universal v Sony</i> was about, not for rebroadcast.</p>
<p>Are you missing the distinctions that I make between timeshifting (covered in <i>Universal v Sony</i>) and criticism/comment Fair Use (covered in Sec.107)?  Law is a funny old bird in that it insists that things be spelled out in tortuous (tortious? :D) language.</p>
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