Comments on: Flying saucer to use air as fuel http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Fri, 24 May 2013 16:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Mim http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228608 Mim Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228608 Flying saucer that uses air? Flying saucers should be in space and there's no air in space! Except, of course, for the Air 'n Space Museum... Flying saucer that uses air? Flying saucers should be in space and there’s no air in space! Except, of course, for the Air ‘n Space Museum…

]]> By: Takuan http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228609 Takuan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228609 yes, yes, all very well and good - but how can this be used to kill people and destroy property? yes, yes, all very well and good – but how can this be used to kill people and destroy property?

]]> By: Joe http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228610 Joe Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228610 Exactly right; it's nonsense to say that this design would use air as fuel. Exactly right; it’s nonsense to say that this design would use air as fuel.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228611 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228611 "a material that is an insulator ... and a good conductor of electricity" I'm hearing alarm bells. “a material that is an insulator … and a good conductor of electricity”

I’m hearing alarm bells.

]]> By: mmrtnt http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-229381 mmrtnt Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-229381 Why do I have a mental image of one of these things, full of people, running into a pole at a landing field and exploding as a news reporter screams about <i>"the humanity"</i>? Why do I have a mental image of one of these things, full of people, running into a pole at a landing field and exploding as a news reporter screams about “the humanity”?

]]> By: creative intuition http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228877 creative intuition Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228877 UFOs in the sense of flying saucers don't exist. There are no secret government UFO projects. Area 51 has nothing to do with aliens, but instead has to do with covering up illegal waste dumping in the area. Since the area is protected by the government: they can't be sued. Flying Saucers are merely an illusion or misinterpretation of something common (like a hot air candle powered balloon, helicopter, aircraft or the moon). Don't belittle the power of suggestion. In this same way creatures such as big foot have been invented. If you want to see things that aren't there: just stay up for 24 or more hours. You will begin to see illusions (you will be dreaming awake). UFOs in the sense of flying saucers don’t exist. There are no secret government UFO projects. Area 51 has nothing to do with aliens, but instead has to do with covering up illegal waste dumping in the area. Since the area is protected by the government: they can’t be sued. Flying Saucers are merely an illusion or misinterpretation of something common (like a hot air candle powered balloon, helicopter, aircraft or the moon). Don’t belittle the power of suggestion. In this same way creatures such as big foot have been invented. If you want to see things that aren’t there: just stay up for 24 or more hours. You will begin to see illusions (you will be dreaming awake).

]]> By: Guesstimate Jones http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228882 Guesstimate Jones Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228882 What if I told you a material can be both a conductor and and insulator, and I can prove it? What if I told you a material can be both a conductor and and insulator, and I can prove it?

]]> By: Preston Sturges http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228631 Preston Sturges Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228631 http://www.rexresearch.com/desev/desev.htm Popular Mechanics 1964 Major De Seversky's Ion-Propelled Aircraft by Hans Fantel An ion-generated wind will lift and propel this incredible magic carpet of the future...... http://www.rexresearch.com/desev/desev.htm

Popular Mechanics 1964
Major De Seversky’s Ion-Propelled Aircraft
by Hans Fantel
An ion-generated wind will lift and propel this incredible magic carpet of the future……

]]> By: spazzm http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228634 spazzm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228634 I'm with those that have pointed out that this doesn't use air as fuel, and that there's no air in space. There's another whopper too: <i>"He anticipates that the craft's body will be made from a material that is an <b>insulator</b> such as ceramic, which is light and <b>a good conductor</b> of electricity."</i>(emphasis mine) So an insulator is a <i>good</i> conductor of electricity? Really? SciAm must be quite desperate to hire spanners like Mr. Larry Greenemeier. I’m with those that have pointed out that this doesn’t use air as fuel, and that there’s no air in space.

There’s another whopper too:
“He anticipates that the craft’s body will be made from a material that is an insulator such as ceramic, which is light and a good conductor of electricity.”(emphasis mine)

So an insulator is a good conductor of electricity? Really?

SciAm must be quite desperate to hire spanners like Mr. Larry Greenemeier.

]]> By: Fran Six http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228637 Fran Six Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228637 Dr. Eric Lerner's fusion model is no bigger than a breadbox: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518007279479871760 This is the kind of stuff I require: Greyish concrete-like hull plating; choice gear struts with bulging tires; big, gaping intakes feeding scram jets; ultraviolet lighting; casual tennis shirts and generally summery pilot attire; beautifully tinted canopies; somewhere to go. That's it! F6 Dr. Eric Lerner’s fusion model is no bigger than a breadbox:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518007279479871760

This is the kind of stuff I require: Greyish concrete-like hull plating; choice gear struts with bulging tires; big, gaping intakes feeding scram jets; ultraviolet lighting; casual tennis shirts and generally summery pilot attire; beautifully tinted canopies; somewhere to go.

That’s it!

F6

]]> By: Master of Space and Time http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228643 Master of Space and Time Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228643 It s so crazy !! We know this technology for 40 years ! 75% of UFO we can see in the the sky are this kind of propulsion sytem... Plasma or Antigravity... All those kind of technology could give us free energy and no pollution at all... Lobbies try to keep oil forever and make money on us from decades now ! All the balance of the world has a link with energy industries... http://www.masterofspaceandtime.org/masterofspaceandtime/antigravit/index.html http://disclosureproject.org/ It s so crazy !!

We know this technology for 40 years !
75% of UFO we can see in the the sky are this kind of propulsion sytem…

Plasma or Antigravity… All those kind of technology could give us free energy and no pollution at all…

Lobbies try to keep oil forever and make money on us from decades now ! All the balance of the world has a link with energy industries…

http://www.masterofspaceandtime.org/masterofspaceandtime/antigravit/index.html

http://disclosureproject.org/

]]> By: Preston Sturges http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228644 Preston Sturges Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228644 And what's all this about generating lift with a "push against the neutral (noncharged) air surrounding the craft?" Rockets don't "push against the air!" And what’s all this about generating lift with a “push against the neutral (noncharged) air surrounding the craft?” Rockets don’t “push against the air!”

]]> By: spazzm http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228649 spazzm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228649 The comments on the SciAm site are funny too: <i>"Nostradamus predicted the wave machine. It is interesting to note that wave and weav has the same letters. My theory of the wave machine was sound wave levitation ; however , this machine might be close."</i> Yeah, <i>real</i> interesting... The comments on the SciAm site are funny too:
“Nostradamus predicted the wave machine. It is interesting to note that wave and weav has the same letters. My theory of the wave machine was sound wave levitation ; however , this machine might be close.”

Yeah, real interesting…

]]> By: Fran Six http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228650 Fran Six Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228650 I didn't want to give away all of my secrects right away, but I do think the plasma stuff should go on the inside of the ducts, not the outside of the skin. Where are people's engineering acumen these days? I didn’t want to give away all of my secrects right away, but I do think the plasma stuff should go on the inside of the ducts, not the outside of the skin. Where are people’s engineering acumen these days?

]]> By: DrPete http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228656 DrPete Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228656 Lets not blame the boing boing writer, the one to blame is Larry Greenemeier at Scientific American, and the editor. I didn't know that they were writing fiction over at SciAmer. Disappointing!!! Lets not blame the boing boing writer, the one to blame is Larry Greenemeier at Scientific American, and the editor. I didn’t know that they were writing fiction over at SciAmer.

Disappointing!!!

]]> By: Falcon_Seven http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228929 Falcon_Seven Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228929 <em>"Roy is not sure what kind of energy source he will use yet."</em><br /> I would suggest anti-matter channeled through a dilithium crystal matrix. “Roy is not sure what kind of energy source he will use yet.”
I would suggest anti-matter channeled through a dilithium crystal matrix.

]]> By: stevew http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-229441 stevew Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-229441 Thank you #6. I remember that too. They're going to need a lot of power to ionize enough air and the 1964 version flew, with a very large tether supplying the power. Thank you #6. I remember that too. They’re going to need a lot of power to ionize enough air and the 1964 version flew, with a very large tether supplying the power.

]]> By: aubiematt http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228675 aubiematt Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228675 I think saying using air as a fuel is probably wrong. It's pretty obvious to me that the actual "fuel" in this post would be whatever is charging the battery or producing electricity for the machine. The air, in this case, would be used for lift much like an airplane uses air for lift. Air is what makes it fly and air is what could potentially propel this device forward. I think saying using air as a fuel is probably wrong. It’s pretty obvious to me that the actual “fuel” in this post would be whatever is charging the battery or producing electricity for the machine. The air, in this case, would be used for lift much like an airplane uses air for lift. Air is what makes it fly and air is what could potentially propel this device forward.

]]> By: Master of Space and Time http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-229189 Master of Space and Time Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-229189 It s cleaner to get flying saucer this way than USA to admit that they were stolen from the Nazi !! Remember... All the rest in desinformation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip It s cleaner to get flying saucer this way than USA to admit that they were stolen from the Nazi !!

Remember… All the rest in desinformation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

]]> By: doug117 http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228681 doug117 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228681 So... plasma has more thrust than, say, an electric fan? So…

plasma has more thrust than, say, an electric fan?

]]> By: Moon http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228683 Moon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228683 This won't work. Mark my words. :D This won’t work. Mark my words.

:D

]]> By: Gainclone http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228688 Gainclone Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228688 To quote the sentry bot from WALL•E, "Wrong." To quote the sentry bot from WALL•E, “Wrong.”

]]> By: Church http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228694 Church Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228694 Yeah, this is like people who talk about hydrogen as fuel. OK, is this horse dead yet? Maybe another thwack, just to make sure. Yeah, this is like people who talk about hydrogen as fuel.

OK, is this horse dead yet? Maybe another thwack, just to make sure.

]]> By: zuzu http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228699 zuzu Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228699 Check out <a href="http://www.rmpbs.org/content/index.cfm/show/195205" rel="nofollow">UFOs: The Real History</a>. Check out UFOs: The Real History.

]]> By: GregLondon http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228962 GregLondon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228962 Hey, I found it. This was the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifter_(ionic_propulsion_device)" rel="nofollow">little flying machine</a> they got to work on mythbusters. it was sold as an antigravity device, but it ionized the air to generate a tiny amount of thrust. Hey, I found it. This was the little flying machine they got to work on mythbusters. it was sold as an antigravity device, but it ionized the air to generate a tiny amount of thrust.

]]> By: WiredEarp http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-229225 WiredEarp Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-229225 Yep, I dont see much thats new here, lifters have been doing this for years. Also, worlds first flying saucer? WTF? I thought Scientific American was vaguely reputable... Yep, I dont see much thats new here, lifters have been doing this for years. Also, worlds first flying saucer? WTF? I thought Scientific American was vaguely reputable…

]]> By: Daemon http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228715 Daemon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228715 #6 - my thoughts exactly. #6 – my thoughts exactly.

]]> By: RedShirt77 http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228716 RedShirt77 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228716 the 1990's era computer rendering should be the first BS warning. I think I had the same image on my trapper keeper. Off to design my Star wars speeder... the 1990′s era computer rendering should be the first BS warning.

I think I had the same image on my trapper keeper.

Off to design my Star wars speeder…

]]> By: Avram http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-228984 Avram Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-228984 Guesstimate Jones, I'd ask if maybe you were talking about something that's a <em>thermal</em> insulator and an <em>electrical</em> conductor. Guesstimate Jones, I’d ask if maybe you were talking about something that’s a thermal insulator and an electrical conductor.

]]> By: Gal_n_AL http://boingboing.net/2008/07/08/flying-saucer-to-use.html#comment-229500 Gal_n_AL Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-229500 Flying saucer to use air as fuel--that was accomplished back in the 60's. They called it a Frisbee! (sorry for the lame joke, couldn't resist) Flying saucer to use air as fuel–that was accomplished back in the 60′s. They called it a Frisbee! (sorry for the lame joke, couldn’t resist)

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