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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230922</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanx all for clarity re: nuisance.
Give peas a chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanx all for clarity re: nuisance.<br />
Give peas a chance!</p>
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		<title>By: strider_mt2k</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230925</link>
		<dc:creator>strider_mt2k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lettuce prey...</description>
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		<title>By: Pipenta</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230927</link>
		<dc:creator>Pipenta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing as it is not his property, he probably should have been a bit more stealthy about it. The posts, fencing, trellises and such are a bit much in such a space.

As to why he has it in this space instead of on his property, perhaps his yard is heavily shaded?

Sounds like he overstepped a bit. Sounds like his neighbor is a controlling asshat. Sounds like the city is overreacting. Business as usual all around. Compromise? Commonsense? Reasonable Response? What planet are you people on, and when was the last time you saw a reasonable response to ANYTHING from any local or federal gov&#039;t, from the TSA to a school board. 

We&#039;ve embraced a lot of things that don&#039;t make me particularly proud to be an American: conspicuous consumption for one thing, and now aggressive stupidity.

This little tale is just a typical suburban scenario. I just loathe suburbia. I hate the waste of resources, the lack of community, the lack of imagination, the sheep-like behavior of the residents.

Few things represent all that is wrong with the American suburban lifestyle as clearly as lawns and the obsession with lawn care. 

It puts me in mind of Dune, of that ritual in which a cup of water was spilled on the floor. People starve, yet we grow these pointless swathes of grass around our homes. It makes me think of those statues on Easter Island, and a culture so obsessed that they destroyed their world&#039;s ecosystem. 

Obviously, lawns are not the root of all evil, they are a small evil. But they represent, in many small ways, stupidity, greed, ego, selfishness and a total lack of imagination and vision.

At its best, a lawn is a pleasant green space for people to use, to walk on and play on and to sit out in and enjoy the out of doors, but that is not what we see happening in suburbia. Most people who have homes with lawns barely set foot on them. Lawns are symbolic of success, of cleanliness, of conformity. 

The amount of energy wasted, the fertilizers and poisons spread, the water wasted, the air and noise pollution generated by mowers and leaf blowers, boggles the mind. That branch of agribiz devoted to lawns has upped the ante and now nothing but a deep green monoculture will suffice. 

And the suckers fall for it. Uptight suburbanites fearful of being judged as lacking, frantic to keep pace with their neighbors or, I dunno, compensating for their extremely small genitalia, strive for those perfect lawns. They buy whatever product is offered: chemicals, ride-on mowers, automatic sprinkling systems, service contracts from lawncare companies.

And anything remotely sensible, a yard allowed to become a thicket that might provide an oasis of wildlife habitat, a garden with any sort of planting outside of those landscape plants approved by the neighborhood association, a flock of chickens (Yes, chickens! Heaven forfend!), or something as simple, sensible and green as a clothesline is not to be tolerated. Not on your yard or on your neighbors. A lack of conformity will not be tolerated.

But all of this will coming crashing down, and sooner than you think. Energy costs and food prices are going to go right through the roof. Oh yes, we will see vegetable gardens return, and clothes lines and maybe even chickens. 

Even the crabby neighbor hiding behind her living room curtains who called the cops on this guy, he or she is going to change her mind a few years from now.

She&#039;s going to be hungry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing as it is not his property, he probably should have been a bit more stealthy about it. The posts, fencing, trellises and such are a bit much in such a space.</p>
<p>As to why he has it in this space instead of on his property, perhaps his yard is heavily shaded?</p>
<p>Sounds like he overstepped a bit. Sounds like his neighbor is a controlling asshat. Sounds like the city is overreacting. Business as usual all around. Compromise? Commonsense? Reasonable Response? What planet are you people on, and when was the last time you saw a reasonable response to ANYTHING from any local or federal gov&#8217;t, from the TSA to a school board. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve embraced a lot of things that don&#8217;t make me particularly proud to be an American: conspicuous consumption for one thing, and now aggressive stupidity.</p>
<p>This little tale is just a typical suburban scenario. I just loathe suburbia. I hate the waste of resources, the lack of community, the lack of imagination, the sheep-like behavior of the residents.</p>
<p>Few things represent all that is wrong with the American suburban lifestyle as clearly as lawns and the obsession with lawn care. </p>
<p>It puts me in mind of Dune, of that ritual in which a cup of water was spilled on the floor. People starve, yet we grow these pointless swathes of grass around our homes. It makes me think of those statues on Easter Island, and a culture so obsessed that they destroyed their world&#8217;s ecosystem. </p>
<p>Obviously, lawns are not the root of all evil, they are a small evil. But they represent, in many small ways, stupidity, greed, ego, selfishness and a total lack of imagination and vision.</p>
<p>At its best, a lawn is a pleasant green space for people to use, to walk on and play on and to sit out in and enjoy the out of doors, but that is not what we see happening in suburbia. Most people who have homes with lawns barely set foot on them. Lawns are symbolic of success, of cleanliness, of conformity. </p>
<p>The amount of energy wasted, the fertilizers and poisons spread, the water wasted, the air and noise pollution generated by mowers and leaf blowers, boggles the mind. That branch of agribiz devoted to lawns has upped the ante and now nothing but a deep green monoculture will suffice. </p>
<p>And the suckers fall for it. Uptight suburbanites fearful of being judged as lacking, frantic to keep pace with their neighbors or, I dunno, compensating for their extremely small genitalia, strive for those perfect lawns. They buy whatever product is offered: chemicals, ride-on mowers, automatic sprinkling systems, service contracts from lawncare companies.</p>
<p>And anything remotely sensible, a yard allowed to become a thicket that might provide an oasis of wildlife habitat, a garden with any sort of planting outside of those landscape plants approved by the neighborhood association, a flock of chickens (Yes, chickens! Heaven forfend!), or something as simple, sensible and green as a clothesline is not to be tolerated. Not on your yard or on your neighbors. A lack of conformity will not be tolerated.</p>
<p>But all of this will coming crashing down, and sooner than you think. Energy costs and food prices are going to go right through the roof. Oh yes, we will see vegetable gardens return, and clothes lines and maybe even chickens. </p>
<p>Even the crabby neighbor hiding behind her living room curtains who called the cops on this guy, he or she is going to change her mind a few years from now.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s going to be hungry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230935</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes the Levittown lawn never became the gathering place for neighbors to meet and share that was intended at the outset.
If you were designing a habitat from scratch why would there be front lawns? For what purpose? Why front and not say only at the back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the Levittown lawn never became the gathering place for neighbors to meet and share that was intended at the outset.<br />
If you were designing a habitat from scratch why would there be front lawns? For what purpose? Why front and not say only at the back?</p>
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		<title>By: jccalhoun</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230937</link>
		<dc:creator>jccalhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was feeling for the guy until I read &quot;basketball hoop.&quot;  How many gardens have basketball hoops in them?  It seems that there is more to this story than an eco hippy growing food getting hassled by the man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was feeling for the guy until I read &#8220;basketball hoop.&#8221;  How many gardens have basketball hoops in them?  It seems that there is more to this story than an eco hippy growing food getting hassled by the man.</p>
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		<title>By: pauldrye</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230938</link>
		<dc:creator>pauldrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@51: I&#039;d leave them in as a setback from the road and its traffic. Privacy and noise reduction for those in the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@51: I&#8217;d leave them in as a setback from the road and its traffic. Privacy and noise reduction for those in the house.</p>
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		<title>By: jccalhoun</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230939</link>
		<dc:creator>jccalhoun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the article: &quot;Arthur said trellises and fencing could be replaced with â€œalternative materialsâ€ that might pass muster, so long as they are light-weight, easy to move and not taller than 30 inches high.&quot;

Oh no, the man forcing him to have trellises less than (or equal to) two and a half feet tall!  The humanity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the article: &#8220;Arthur said trellises and fencing could be replaced with â€œalternative materialsâ€ that might pass muster, so long as they are light-weight, easy to move and not taller than 30 inches high.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh no, the man forcing him to have trellises less than (or equal to) two and a half feet tall!  The humanity!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230947</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with many of the comments stating that Boulder isn&#039;t what it used to be.  It has become entitled and bogged down with covenants and the like.  I don&#039;t doubt that pretty soon Boulder will be a gated community, and all of the &quot;DIY hippie&quot;  contingent will be moved outside the city walls.  It&#039;s more like a resort town than a college town now.

As for Colorado Springs, I am a native, removed now some ten years.  In that time, the city has ballooned and sprawled with little regard for true city planning.  The only place I recall having strict rules and covenants are the more upscale areas, like Briargate, Mountain Shadows, and the historic district downtown.  I feel the area around Colorado College is suffering the same fate as Boulder, and that makes me very sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many of the comments stating that Boulder isn&#8217;t what it used to be.  It has become entitled and bogged down with covenants and the like.  I don&#8217;t doubt that pretty soon Boulder will be a gated community, and all of the &#8220;DIY hippie&#8221;  contingent will be moved outside the city walls.  It&#8217;s more like a resort town than a college town now.</p>
<p>As for Colorado Springs, I am a native, removed now some ten years.  In that time, the city has ballooned and sprawled with little regard for true city planning.  The only place I recall having strict rules and covenants are the more upscale areas, like Briargate, Mountain Shadows, and the historic district downtown.  I feel the area around Colorado College is suffering the same fate as Boulder, and that makes me very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Pipenta</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230952</link>
		<dc:creator>Pipenta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@51 Jane Jacobs said, if you want a neighborhood, you need sidewalks and porches. Stoops will do in a pinch.

@53 Noise reduction, but not from the mowers and blowers. An acre of yard, or two or three won&#039;t stop that noise that will penetrate like a jackhammer. Better to reduce the lawns, to use brooms and rakes for the tidy up. Sheep maybe. 

Suburbanites are big on their privacy. Personally I think it is overrated. More isolation than privacy. All the better to beat your wife? All the better to incest your kid? Just do it behind closed doors. And don&#039;t make too much noise (except for lawn mowers and leaf blowers, there&#039;s no decibel limits there, but let a rooster crow and the sky will fall). Don&#039;t do anything interesting. Don&#039;t make art projects outside either. 

It&#039;s your property. You own it, own it, own it. This piece of the planet stolen, now bought and paid for, propery, all important to the American dream. It&#039;s yours, just so long as you keep the lawn green and don&#039;t paint your house in colors that are too wild.

Live in your silent misery behind closed doors, out of your neighbor&#039;s sight. Roll out to the mall and buy stuff and bring it home, drag it inside, shut the door. Toss back that scotch. Watch your billboard-sized television. The good life, the American life. Sign me up? 

Not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@51 Jane Jacobs said, if you want a neighborhood, you need sidewalks and porches. Stoops will do in a pinch.</p>
<p>@53 Noise reduction, but not from the mowers and blowers. An acre of yard, or two or three won&#8217;t stop that noise that will penetrate like a jackhammer. Better to reduce the lawns, to use brooms and rakes for the tidy up. Sheep maybe. </p>
<p>Suburbanites are big on their privacy. Personally I think it is overrated. More isolation than privacy. All the better to beat your wife? All the better to incest your kid? Just do it behind closed doors. And don&#8217;t make too much noise (except for lawn mowers and leaf blowers, there&#8217;s no decibel limits there, but let a rooster crow and the sky will fall). Don&#8217;t do anything interesting. Don&#8217;t make art projects outside either. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s your property. You own it, own it, own it. This piece of the planet stolen, now bought and paid for, propery, all important to the American dream. It&#8217;s yours, just so long as you keep the lawn green and don&#8217;t paint your house in colors that are too wild.</p>
<p>Live in your silent misery behind closed doors, out of your neighbor&#8217;s sight. Roll out to the mall and buy stuff and bring it home, drag it inside, shut the door. Toss back that scotch. Watch your billboard-sized television. The good life, the American life. Sign me up? </p>
<p>Not.</p>
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		<title>By: gabrielm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230703</link>
		<dc:creator>gabrielm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ripping out a garden that beautiful would be a crying shame. Many people in my city utilize that strip for gardening - it looks like he was blessed with a rather large one and decided to use it in a productive way. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ripping out a garden that beautiful would be a crying shame. Many people in my city utilize that strip for gardening &#8211; it looks like he was blessed with a rather large one and decided to use it in a productive way. </p>
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		<title>By: padster123</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230959</link>
		<dc:creator>padster123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can bet that if that particular strip of useless grass (or whatever it was before) had been turned into parking spaces, no one would have complained.

Anyway - this is the future. More urban producer gardening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can bet that if that particular strip of useless grass (or whatever it was before) had been turned into parking spaces, no one would have complained.</p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; this is the future. More urban producer gardening.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackasimov</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230960</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackasimov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle #44:

Why hate on hippies so much? They seem like an easy target for bullying to me. Not very inclusive, but I&#039;m sure you have your (valid, and in no way personal) reasons.

I&#039;d much rather deal with these &quot;clowns&quot; than that sort of vacant anger. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle #44:</p>
<p>Why hate on hippies so much? They seem like an easy target for bullying to me. Not very inclusive, but I&#8217;m sure you have your (valid, and in no way personal) reasons.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d much rather deal with these &#8220;clowns&#8221; than that sort of vacant anger. </p>
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		<title>By: DeWynken</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230711</link>
		<dc:creator>DeWynken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boulder and Colorado Springs are CO&#039;s lil slice of Cali..without any of the COOL stuff that Cali has. Just a bunch of idiots that moved from there. Bah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boulder and Colorado Springs are CO&#8217;s lil slice of Cali..without any of the COOL stuff that Cali has. Just a bunch of idiots that moved from there. Bah.</p>
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		<title>By: Bevatron Repairman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230712</link>
		<dc:creator>Bevatron Repairman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A $2000/day fine?  I think it&#039;s great that he&#039;s building a garden, but if this really, really is a problem, can&#039;t the city just pull the stuff out themselves and send a bill instead of trying to make an example out of him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A $2000/day fine?  I think it&#8217;s great that he&#8217;s building a garden, but if this really, really is a problem, can&#8217;t the city just pull the stuff out themselves and send a bill instead of trying to make an example out of him?</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan_v</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230968</link>
		<dc:creator>jonathan_v</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it *amazing* that out of 56 posts, 4 people above actually read the article.

Crazy facts mentioned BLATANTLY in the article:

- The issue at hand is &#039;right-of-way&#039; and public use/access to that strip, which is what must be maintained.  They liken this to restaurants who do sidewalk seating - which is strictly regulated.

- The city is actually SUPPORTIVE of the garden.  Not against it.  He doesn&#039;t have a permit to occupy the right of way, and constructed obstacles in it.

- The city is trying to compromise and find a way to make the garden work LEGALLY.  Their issue isn&#039;t with the garden, its with the fencing and trellises.  

I suggest the 51 of you above who didnt bother clicking the link actually click it and read the article.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it *amazing* that out of 56 posts, 4 people above actually read the article.</p>
<p>Crazy facts mentioned BLATANTLY in the article:</p>
<p>- The issue at hand is &#8216;right-of-way&#8217; and public use/access to that strip, which is what must be maintained.  They liken this to restaurants who do sidewalk seating &#8211; which is strictly regulated.</p>
<p>- The city is actually SUPPORTIVE of the garden.  Not against it.  He doesn&#8217;t have a permit to occupy the right of way, and constructed obstacles in it.</p>
<p>- The city is trying to compromise and find a way to make the garden work LEGALLY.  Their issue isn&#8217;t with the garden, its with the fencing and trellises.  </p>
<p>I suggest the 51 of you above who didnt bother clicking the link actually click it and read the article.  </p>
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		<title>By: Purly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230970</link>
		<dc:creator>Purly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city recently tore down the free growing raspberry bushes in the park behind our building for no reason that I can understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city recently tore down the free growing raspberry bushes in the park behind our building for no reason that I can understand.</p>
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		<title>By: freshyill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230973</link>
		<dc:creator>freshyill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In some of the nice neighborhoods of Washington, DC, there are tiny little gardens all over the place between the sidewalk and the street. Almost all of my sister&#039;s block has gardens like this. One has huge rose bushes growing there, and another has several very large ears of corn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some of the nice neighborhoods of Washington, DC, there are tiny little gardens all over the place between the sidewalk and the street. Almost all of my sister&#8217;s block has gardens like this. One has huge rose bushes growing there, and another has several very large ears of corn!</p>
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		<title>By: Trvth</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230977</link>
		<dc:creator>Trvth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the only problem with the garden, other than his neighbor&#039;s complaint, is it&#039;s height. Some of the plants and materials are high enough to cause a visibility problem with passing motorists. For instance, someone driving by wouldn&#039;t be able to see a child about to chase a ball into the street.

If the guy in the video had made a garden with lower plants, with no fences, trellises, etc. it would be more attractive and I doubt if the neighbor would have complained. Any well kept garden would be more attractive than a patch of lawn. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the only problem with the garden, other than his neighbor&#8217;s complaint, is it&#8217;s height. Some of the plants and materials are high enough to cause a visibility problem with passing motorists. For instance, someone driving by wouldn&#8217;t be able to see a child about to chase a ball into the street.</p>
<p>If the guy in the video had made a garden with lower plants, with no fences, trellises, etc. it would be more attractive and I doubt if the neighbor would have complained. Any well kept garden would be more attractive than a patch of lawn. </p>
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		<title>By: mattymatt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230722</link>
		<dc:creator>mattymatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I commented on another Boing Boing post: in America, we have this legal thing called &quot;Attractive Nuisance,&quot; meaning something that looks pretty but is actually hazardous. (For example, a pretty garden that&#039;s only inches from vehicular traffic.)

If you have an attractive nuisance on your land, and something horrible happens, the liability could utterly ruin you. You can mitigate your liability by purchasing more insurance -- but it&#039;s really expensive, and it&#039;s still not a guaranteed get-out-of-jail card.

It&#039;s awful and stupid and it sucks. But that&#039;s simply the way things are sometimes. Maybe some guerilla lawyers and urban planners would be willing to help this gardener work out something legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I commented on another Boing Boing post: in America, we have this legal thing called &#8220;Attractive Nuisance,&#8221; meaning something that looks pretty but is actually hazardous. (For example, a pretty garden that&#8217;s only inches from vehicular traffic.)</p>
<p>If you have an attractive nuisance on your land, and something horrible happens, the liability could utterly ruin you. You can mitigate your liability by purchasing more insurance &#8212; but it&#8217;s really expensive, and it&#8217;s still not a guaranteed get-out-of-jail card.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s awful and stupid and it sucks. But that&#8217;s simply the way things are sometimes. Maybe some guerilla lawyers and urban planners would be willing to help this gardener work out something legal.</p>
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		<title>By: trr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230725</link>
		<dc:creator>trr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why so much space between the sidewalk and the road? Seems like a waste. Was it just dirt before?
So many questions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why so much space between the sidewalk and the road? Seems like a waste. Was it just dirt before?<br />
So many questions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230728</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I saw your post, good point. This illustrates differences in culture...in Japan, this would not be the outcome. Not better, just different. Cultures do move and change, we tend to go to best practice, and couldn&#039;t the Legislature change the Law re: attractive nuisance, anyway? I mean if telcos can do it...no I&#039;m joking, but the Law can unsuit causes of action( eg nuisance) by statute for cases yet to arise, yes? 
Anyhow this person seems to be having trouble with an Ordnance of some kind, not a lawsuit...maybe the Officer is mistaken as to the probable outcome in Court or the likelihood of the City taking action...
Is &quot;attractive nuisance&quot; the reason behind those anti-miniskirt laws of the Sixties, precursor to the even-worse crackdown on hot pants brought in in the 80s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I saw your post, good point. This illustrates differences in culture&#8230;in Japan, this would not be the outcome. Not better, just different. Cultures do move and change, we tend to go to best practice, and couldn&#8217;t the Legislature change the Law re: attractive nuisance, anyway? I mean if telcos can do it&#8230;no I&#8217;m joking, but the Law can unsuit causes of action( eg nuisance) by statute for cases yet to arise, yes?<br />
Anyhow this person seems to be having trouble with an Ordnance of some kind, not a lawsuit&#8230;maybe the Officer is mistaken as to the probable outcome in Court or the likelihood of the City taking action&#8230;<br />
Is &#8220;attractive nuisance&#8221; the reason behind those anti-miniskirt laws of the Sixties, precursor to the even-worse crackdown on hot pants brought in in the 80s?</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230729</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh, when did Boulder get so uptight.
When I lived there you could plant gardens pretty much anywhere. Feels more like the city has gone from DIY hippie to 401K richie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh, when did Boulder get so uptight.<br />
When I lived there you could plant gardens pretty much anywhere. Feels more like the city has gone from DIY hippie to 401K richie.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230733</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why are not Billboard owners not held liable under the same principle?
liable to suit, that is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why are not Billboard owners not held liable under the same principle?<br />
liable to suit, that is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bolamig</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230737</link>
		<dc:creator>bolamig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ywn.  Ths sms mr f  pt ss thn smthng tht blngs n  drctry f &quot;wndrfl thngs&quot;.  Ths s th frst tm &#039;m wrtng  &quot;Ywn&quot; pst n my lf. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ywn.  Ths sms mr f  pt ss thn smthng tht blngs n  drctry f &#8220;wndrfl thngs&#8221;.  Ths s th frst tm &#8216;m wrtng  &#8220;Ywn&#8221; pst n my lf. </p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230738</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the the Law exempt ugly nuisances?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the the Law exempt ugly nuisances?</p>
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		<title>By: pauldrye</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230742</link>
		<dc:creator>pauldrye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope Boulder residents are making a FOIA request to find out the name of the resident who made the complaint. &#039;Cause y&#039;know, sometimes there&#039;s a difference between &quot;enforcing the law&quot; and &quot;being a jerk&quot;, and it&#039;s important to help confused people understand it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope Boulder residents are making a FOIA request to find out the name of the resident who made the complaint. &#8216;Cause y&#8217;know, sometimes there&#8217;s a difference between &#8220;enforcing the law&#8221; and &#8220;being a jerk&#8221;, and it&#8217;s important to help confused people understand it.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Oliver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230744</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TRR, some parking strips are just unusually wide.  Often if the street is being planned as more of a boulevard (think extra wide, a median strip down the center of the street, lots of trees) they&#039;ll make the parking strips wider too.

In Portland I own the entire lot from the curb to the backyard fence.  The city has the legal authority to create an easement for a pedestrian sidewalk; even so, if the sidewalk cracks and poses a problem it&#039;s my responsibility to fix it.  Anyway, what I was getting at is - the sidewalk is the public right of way; the parking strip is not, unless Boulder just has a really unusual law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TRR, some parking strips are just unusually wide.  Often if the street is being planned as more of a boulevard (think extra wide, a median strip down the center of the street, lots of trees) they&#8217;ll make the parking strips wider too.</p>
<p>In Portland I own the entire lot from the curb to the backyard fence.  The city has the legal authority to create an easement for a pedestrian sidewalk; even so, if the sidewalk cracks and poses a problem it&#8217;s my responsibility to fix it.  Anyway, what I was getting at is &#8211; the sidewalk is the public right of way; the parking strip is not, unless Boulder just has a really unusual law.</p>
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		<title>By: Scuba SM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230745</link>
		<dc:creator>Scuba SM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering, can you annex municipal property via squatter&#039;s rights? That could get awfully fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering, can you annex municipal property via squatter&#8217;s rights? That could get awfully fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe MommaSan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-230746</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe MommaSan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yummy - fruits and veggies grown in an environment that features frequent exposure to automobile exhaust.  I&#039;ll pass, thanks.

There&#039;s also the issue of visibility for people trying to get out of driveways.  It sure sounds like he&#039;s got a fairly large complex setup. (trellises, etc.) I can see something like that being a real hassle for his neighbors.

Not to mention stuff like buried utility lines, sewer lines, etc. etc.

Look, I&#039;m all for personal freedom.  I even think you should be allowed to grow your own weed, but not on the strip between the street and the sidewalk.  If you want a garden, live someplace with space for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yummy &#8211; fruits and veggies grown in an environment that features frequent exposure to automobile exhaust.  I&#8217;ll pass, thanks.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the issue of visibility for people trying to get out of driveways.  It sure sounds like he&#8217;s got a fairly large complex setup. (trellises, etc.) I can see something like that being a real hassle for his neighbors.</p>
<p>Not to mention stuff like buried utility lines, sewer lines, etc. etc.</p>
<p>Look, I&#8217;m all for personal freedom.  I even think you should be allowed to grow your own weed, but not on the strip between the street and the sidewalk.  If you want a garden, live someplace with space for one.</p>
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		<title>By: jimh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/10/boulder-man-faces-20.html#comment-231258</link>
		<dc:creator>jimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nazis had inducements to trigger brains into gear, and th... ugh, is it teh weekend yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nazis had inducements to trigger brains into gear, and th&#8230; ugh, is it teh weekend yet?</p>
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