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		<title>By: Pipenta</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232192</link>
		<dc:creator>Pipenta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #5

In many circumstances, the most valuable resource is knowledge, and that is something that can be shared without depletion.

Make estimates about outcomes based on Star Trek episodes is a little sketchy, don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #5</p>
<p>In many circumstances, the most valuable resource is knowledge, and that is something that can be shared without depletion.</p>
<p>Make estimates about outcomes based on Star Trek episodes is a little sketchy, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232449</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;the hallmark of the Apocalypse will be the incompetence. &lt;/i&gt;

So, nothing will change then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>the hallmark of the Apocalypse will be the incompetence. </i></p>
<p>So, nothing will change then.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232452</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, no, but it&#039;ll be OK to be open about it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, no, but it&#8217;ll be OK to be open about it</p>
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		<title>By: Belac</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232198</link>
		<dc:creator>Belac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a Phillip K. Dick story on this theme.  &quot;The Last of the Masters.&quot;

Very good story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a Phillip K. Dick story on this theme.  &#8220;The Last of the Masters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very good story.</p>
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		<title>By: ulor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232199</link>
		<dc:creator>ulor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make it less like the handcopied versions of the Bible and more like the printing press.  Decentralized and grassroot in each community.  And why wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make it less like the handcopied versions of the Bible and more like the printing press.  Decentralized and grassroot in each community.  And why wait.</p>
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		<title>By: sidb</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232200</link>
		<dc:creator>sidb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do all the wandering humanitarian geek squads wait until the apocalypse has already happened? If people were really like that on a widespread scale, shouldn&#039;t it be even easier to pull off now while there&#039;s still infrastructure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do all the wandering humanitarian geek squads wait until the apocalypse has already happened? If people were really like that on a widespread scale, shouldn&#8217;t it be even easier to pull off now while there&#8217;s still infrastructure?</p>
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		<title>By: velocity girl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232201</link>
		<dc:creator>velocity girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa...I know your intentions are good, BUT:

Cory, all you&#039;re doing here is advocating another conventional &quot;international development&quot; or &quot;sustainable development&quot; movement--movements that have been deemed incredibly controversial since they started being implemented some 20+ years ago (or earlier?).  

History has been full of well-intentioned do-gooders who aim to bring the &quot;tools&quot; of well-being to folks who they deem are in need of them.  Sometimes these &quot;tools&quot; are Religion, sometimes these tools are Capitalism, sometimes these tools are fancy new technologies (computers, genetically modified seeds, etc.), sometimes these &quot;tools&quot; are systems of governance (like Democracy...hello, Iraq??)  The list of &quot;tools&quot; that have been promoted by (well-meaning, but rather arrogant) people who parachute into someone else&#039;s community and aim to &quot;show them the way&quot; is sadly, incredibly long.  

One problem with this idea (there are MANY) is that it IS knowledge destroying, as what you&#039;re advocating is people adopting the new tools and new ways of doing things that these &quot;well-intentioned foreigners&quot; are promoting, while casting their own tools and ways of doing things aside.  

Anyway, THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE RETHOUGHT.

I would suggest familiarizing yourself with the International Development literature tout suite before history repeats itself--or at least before helping it along the same, problematic path.  

Start with the International Development entry in Wikipedia.  And then, this might be a good guy to read: http://www.unc.edu/~aescobar/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa&#8230;I know your intentions are good, BUT:</p>
<p>Cory, all you&#8217;re doing here is advocating another conventional &#8220;international development&#8221; or &#8220;sustainable development&#8221; movement&#8211;movements that have been deemed incredibly controversial since they started being implemented some 20+ years ago (or earlier?).  </p>
<p>History has been full of well-intentioned do-gooders who aim to bring the &#8220;tools&#8221; of well-being to folks who they deem are in need of them.  Sometimes these &#8220;tools&#8221; are Religion, sometimes these tools are Capitalism, sometimes these tools are fancy new technologies (computers, genetically modified seeds, etc.), sometimes these &#8220;tools&#8221; are systems of governance (like Democracy&#8230;hello, Iraq??)  The list of &#8220;tools&#8221; that have been promoted by (well-meaning, but rather arrogant) people who parachute into someone else&#8217;s community and aim to &#8220;show them the way&#8221; is sadly, incredibly long.  </p>
<p>One problem with this idea (there are MANY) is that it IS knowledge destroying, as what you&#8217;re advocating is people adopting the new tools and new ways of doing things that these &#8220;well-intentioned foreigners&#8221; are promoting, while casting their own tools and ways of doing things aside.  </p>
<p>Anyway, THIS REALLY NEEDS TO BE RETHOUGHT.</p>
<p>I would suggest familiarizing yourself with the International Development literature tout suite before history repeats itself&#8211;or at least before helping it along the same, problematic path.  </p>
<p>Start with the International Development entry in Wikipedia.  And then, this might be a good guy to read: <a href="http://www.unc.edu/~aescobar/" rel="nofollow">http://www.unc.edu/~aescobar/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Santos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232457</link>
		<dc:creator>Santos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember a Michael Kurland book like this from the early 70s ...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a Michael Kurland book like this from the early 70s &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232715</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if &quot;inquistion&quot; is &quot;the question&quot;, then the logical outquistion is &quot;The Answer&quot; .  Re-coin away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if &#8220;inquistion&#8221; is &#8220;the question&#8221;, then the logical outquistion is &#8220;The Answer&#8221; .  Re-coin away.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232204</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the only important thing is that they convert to the One True Faith in exchange for the help and knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the only important thing is that they convert to the One True Faith in exchange for the help and knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Yamara</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232205</link>
		<dc:creator>Yamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want seminal, see H.G. Wells.

&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Things_To_Come&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Things To Come&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

You&#039;re not catching Raymond Massey with his lamÃ© skirt down. Wings over the World, to rescue! Who knew it would come in the form of begoggled balloonists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want seminal, see H.G. Wells.</p>
<p><b><i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Things_To_Come" rel="nofollow">Things To Come</a></i></b></p>
<p>You&#8217;re not catching Raymond Massey with his lamÃ© skirt down. Wings over the World, to rescue! Who knew it would come in the form of begoggled balloonists?</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232207</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the gauntlets really make the outfit, don&#039;t you think?
http://hareball9.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/things-to-come.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the gauntlets really make the outfit, don&#8217;t you think?<br />
<a href="http://hareball9.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/things-to-come.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://hareball9.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/things-to-come.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232719</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIVi7KY_WJ8</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIVi7KY_WJ8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIVi7KY_WJ8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232720</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post reminds me of a real life scenario - a group of Canadian emergency response people who volunteer to use their vacation time to go to disaster areas with these super high tech water purifying breifcases from the future;
http://www.dmgf.org/index.html

It also remindes me of my friend who says that when the crap hits the fan the first thing he&#039;d do would be go and comandeer the local Canadian Tire. Everything you need to fight the apocalypse (how do you do that again?), including guns and deck chairs. Well, bb guns at least. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post reminds me of a real life scenario &#8211; a group of Canadian emergency response people who volunteer to use their vacation time to go to disaster areas with these super high tech water purifying breifcases from the future;<br />
<a href="http://www.dmgf.org/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dmgf.org/index.html</a></p>
<p>It also remindes me of my friend who says that when the crap hits the fan the first thing he&#8217;d do would be go and comandeer the local Canadian Tire. Everything you need to fight the apocalypse (how do you do that again?), including guns and deck chairs. Well, bb guns at least. </p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232721</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY</a></p>
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		<title>By: buddy66</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232210</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#37,

Do-gooders are either scorned or run out of town.</description>
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<p>Do-gooders are either scorned or run out of town.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-243987</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a Poul Anderson novel once, forgot its title (could have been &quot;The Burden of Knowledge&quot;), whose subject was exactly the one that you describe. Some parts of it are dated, but the basic idea is that following a global upheaval the good guys win. There was also a novel by John Brunner, again I forgot its exact title, about a network of people trying to hold the world together after it fell apart (&quot;The Networks of Infinity&quot; or something).
I don&#039;t think this would work in practice, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a Poul Anderson novel once, forgot its title (could have been &#8220;The Burden of Knowledge&#8221;), whose subject was exactly the one that you describe. Some parts of it are dated, but the basic idea is that following a global upheaval the good guys win. There was also a novel by John Brunner, again I forgot its exact title, about a network of people trying to hold the world together after it fell apart (&#8220;The Networks of Infinity&#8221; or something).<br />
I don&#8217;t think this would work in practice, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Randwulf</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232213</link>
		<dc:creator>Randwulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to John Titor you might also want to pack away an IBM 5100 computer and a solution to the UNIX 2038 timeout error!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to John Titor you might also want to pack away an IBM 5100 computer and a solution to the UNIX 2038 timeout error!</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232215</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of telecommunications over long distances without reliable centralized infrastructure, for distributed coordination, I highly recommend people own and learn how to properly use an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/fm_txvrs.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;amateur FM mobile transceiver&lt;/a&gt; (or at the very least a &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Citizens_Band&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CB&lt;/a&gt; and/or &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Marine_VHF_Channels&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;marine&lt;/a&gt; transceiver).

For those of you with automotive (or marine) vehicles, installing a scanner radio in the dashboard such as a &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/BCD996T&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Uniden BCD996T&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/BCT-15&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BCT-15&lt;/a&gt; (using a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scannermaster.com/SP_1300_Combiner_Splitter_p/24-531025.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;combiner&lt;/a&gt; &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scannermaster.com/AM_FM_Scanner_Coupler_p/15-540729.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;coupler&quot;&lt;/a&gt; with your existing car antenna) can be invaluable for monitoring &quot;troop movements&quot; (friend or foe) in a destabilized region.

(Although I cannot legally recommend &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mods.dk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;unlocking&lt;/a&gt; your USA scanner to receive the antiquated 900MHz analog phone bands, the way Canadian and Chinese models can, even though it&#039;s almost always just a matter of desoldering a particular resistor.  This basic hack should be familiar to anyone who&#039;s had to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ticalc.org/hardware/overclocking/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;overclock their graphing calculator&lt;/a&gt;.)

And of course for international news, everyone owns a portable &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Shortwave_Radio/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shortwave radio&lt;/a&gt;, right?

For more information, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.radioreference.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Radio Reference wiki&lt;/a&gt; is most excellent.
(I just wish it used the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GFDL&lt;/a&gt; as Wikipedia does so content could be shared between them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of telecommunications over long distances without reliable centralized infrastructure, for distributed coordination, I highly recommend people own and learn how to properly use an <a href="http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/fm_txvrs.html" rel="nofollow">amateur FM mobile transceiver</a> (or at the very least a <a href="http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Citizens_Band" rel="nofollow">CB</a> and/or <a href="http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Marine_VHF_Channels" rel="nofollow">marine</a> transceiver).</p>
<p>For those of you with automotive (or marine) vehicles, installing a scanner radio in the dashboard such as a <a href="http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/BCD996T" rel="nofollow">Uniden BCD996T</a> or <a href="http://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/BCT-15" rel="nofollow">BCT-15</a> (using a <a href="http://www.scannermaster.com/SP_1300_Combiner_Splitter_p/24-531025.htm" rel="nofollow">combiner</a> <i>not</i> a <a href="http://www.scannermaster.com/AM_FM_Scanner_Coupler_p/15-540729.htm" rel="nofollow">&#8220;coupler&#8221;</a> with your existing car antenna) can be invaluable for monitoring &#8220;troop movements&#8221; (friend or foe) in a destabilized region.</p>
<p>(Although I cannot legally recommend <a href="http://www.mods.dk/" rel="nofollow">unlocking</a> your USA scanner to receive the antiquated 900MHz analog phone bands, the way Canadian and Chinese models can, even though it&#8217;s almost always just a matter of desoldering a particular resistor.  This basic hack should be familiar to anyone who&#8217;s had to <a href="http://www.ticalc.org/hardware/overclocking/" rel="nofollow">overclock their graphing calculator</a>.)</p>
<p>And of course for international news, everyone owns a portable <a href="http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Shortwave_Radio/" rel="nofollow">shortwave radio</a>, right?</p>
<p>For more information, the <a href="http://wiki.radioreference.com/" rel="nofollow">Radio Reference wiki</a> is most excellent.<br />
(I just wish it used the <a href="http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html" rel="nofollow">GFDL</a> as Wikipedia does so content could be shared between them.)</p>
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		<title>By: Yamara</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232216</link>
		<dc:creator>Yamara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Takuan @ 41

He&#039;s simply smashing in sash and shoulder pads.

http://www.library.yale.edu/humanities/film/wrld2com.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Takuan @ 41</p>
<p>He&#8217;s simply smashing in sash and shoulder pads.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.library.yale.edu/humanities/film/wrld2com.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.library.yale.edu/humanities/film/wrld2com.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: minTphresh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232217</link>
		<dc:creator>minTphresh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s like &quot;Glen and Randa&quot; all over again!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s like &#8220;Glen and Randa&#8221; all over again!!</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232222</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cool calculator hack Zuzu!</description>
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		<title>By: GregLondon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232224</link>
		<dc:creator>GregLondon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, interesting that when someone challenges the gun-toting-post-apocalypse view, the gun toters attack with fairly standard &quot;go drink your latte and let real men with real guns worry about real problems like that&quot;.

I think someone missed the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, interesting that when someone challenges the gun-toting-post-apocalypse view, the gun toters attack with fairly standard &#8220;go drink your latte and let real men with real guns worry about real problems like that&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think someone missed the point.</p>
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		<title>By: BucolicHooligan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232227</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ mgfarrelly

&quot;all be it in a unnecessarily snotty way.&quot; 

As opposed to your counterpoint which comes in the most erudite and gracious of deliveries?

But thanks for proving my point, as you go on to list all of the commonly known issues present within big AG, which no rural farmer has ever come across during either AG school, or experience first hand in the field. (you use em big fancy words mister) Yes, your gifts of wisdom so valuable to those who tend the land.

So, your academic inference that big farming practice leads to lack of long term sustainability is correct. &amp; the answer to this problem is returning to a sustainable model that has been practiced in all rural communities until the 50s, and still exists today. 

Which is my very point to begin with, it is these individuals with generations of knowledge who are the assets not those who vicariously follow from academia. 

Finally, in this scenario being &quot;tech savvy&quot; is perhaps the least useful skill as org culture, policy analysis, data constructs, mean shit compared to existing social capital of a small community and the ability to fashion logs to build, dig wells to drink, and use traditional farming equipment. 

Would you like low fat free trade cinnamon flakes
to go with that? ; )



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ mgfarrelly</p>
<p>&#8220;all be it in a unnecessarily snotty way.&#8221; </p>
<p>As opposed to your counterpoint which comes in the most erudite and gracious of deliveries?</p>
<p>But thanks for proving my point, as you go on to list all of the commonly known issues present within big AG, which no rural farmer has ever come across during either AG school, or experience first hand in the field. (you use em big fancy words mister) Yes, your gifts of wisdom so valuable to those who tend the land.</p>
<p>So, your academic inference that big farming practice leads to lack of long term sustainability is correct. &#038; the answer to this problem is returning to a sustainable model that has been practiced in all rural communities until the 50s, and still exists today. </p>
<p>Which is my very point to begin with, it is these individuals with generations of knowledge who are the assets not those who vicariously follow from academia. </p>
<p>Finally, in this scenario being &#8220;tech savvy&#8221; is perhaps the least useful skill as org culture, policy analysis, data constructs, mean shit compared to existing social capital of a small community and the ability to fashion logs to build, dig wells to drink, and use traditional farming equipment. </p>
<p>Would you like low fat free trade cinnamon flakes<br />
to go with that? ; )</p>
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		<title>By: slgalt</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232229</link>
		<dc:creator>slgalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps this idea should be mashed with Jane McGonigal&#039;s new mmo game for the Institute for the future, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.iftf.org/node/2098&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SUPERSTRUCT!&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps this idea should be mashed with Jane McGonigal&#8217;s new mmo game for the Institute for the future, <a href="http://www.iftf.org/node/2098" rel="nofollow">SUPERSTRUCT!</a></p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232230</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: GregLondon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-233255</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah. I see now.

So, a bunch of independent-minded individualists have gotten their noses tweaked at the mere thought that sometime in the future someone might come out to their farm and, god forbid, offer them suggestions for improving the way they&#039;re doing things.

And of course, the way they spin it, it&#039;s a bunch of latte sippin&#039; linux heads who grew up in a city who come out to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs (in case anyone is unclear about that idiom, it means it&#039;s something so simple that no one needs to be taught it) or tell Independent Farmer John something that Independent Farmer John would already know by virtue of being a farmer. Leave the logging to us, they say. It smacks of &lt;i&gt;arrogance&lt;/i&gt;, they say.

So, I made three (count them, 3) mouse-clicks and found an about page about Alex Steffen, the heir apparent to latte sippin linux heads who will tell your grandmother how to suck eggs once the apocalypse comes:

http://www.worldchanging.com/bios/alex.html

&lt;i&gt;Worldchanging has become the most widely-read &lt;b&gt;sustainability-related&lt;/b&gt; publication on the Internet, with an archive of over &lt;b&gt;7,000 articles by leading thinkers around the world&lt;/b&gt;. It&#039;s played an important role in revealing formerly obscure innovations and groundbreaking ideas, thereby pushing forward the &lt;b&gt;sustainability movement&lt;/b&gt; and assisting in the growth of its network.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Steffen was also the editor of Worldchanging&#039;s wildly successful first book, Worldchanging: A User&#039;s Guide for the 21st Century (Abrams, 2006), a 600-page compendium of writings from over sixty noted leaders around the world, with a foreword by Al Gore, an introduction by Bruce Sterling, and design by Stefan Sagmeister (winner of the 2005 Cooper-Hewitt National Design Award).&lt;/i&gt;

And so what Independent Farmer John is saying is that  there&#039;s nothing Al Gore, Bruce Sterling, or 7,000 other leading thinkers around the world could &lt;i&gt;possibly&lt;/i&gt; say that Independent Farmer John wouldn&#039;t already know. And Independent Farmer John would like to point out just how &lt;i&gt;arrogant&lt;/i&gt; these other people are for even &lt;i&gt;thinking&lt;/i&gt; such a thing.

Now, I don&#039;t know if this Alex Steffen guy ever pulled teets on a cow. I don&#039;t care. Because I&#039;m pretty sure they&#039;re not talking about a repository on various ways in which to suck eggs.

Likewise, I don&#039;t know if Alex Steffen has anything that he himself built or designed that Independent Farmer John might find useful. But it appears that Alex Steffen has a few thousand friends, and one of them &lt;i&gt;just might&lt;/i&gt;.

But by all means, stamp yur feet and pound yur chests about how no high falutin city slicker could ever tell you something you didn&#039;t know. Tell us how &lt;i&gt;arrogant&lt;/i&gt; they would have to be to even think such a thing.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah. I see now.</p>
<p>So, a bunch of independent-minded individualists have gotten their noses tweaked at the mere thought that sometime in the future someone might come out to their farm and, god forbid, offer them suggestions for improving the way they&#8217;re doing things.</p>
<p>And of course, the way they spin it, it&#8217;s a bunch of latte sippin&#8217; linux heads who grew up in a city who come out to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs (in case anyone is unclear about that idiom, it means it&#8217;s something so simple that no one needs to be taught it) or tell Independent Farmer John something that Independent Farmer John would already know by virtue of being a farmer. Leave the logging to us, they say. It smacks of <i>arrogance</i>, they say.</p>
<p>So, I made three (count them, 3) mouse-clicks and found an about page about Alex Steffen, the heir apparent to latte sippin linux heads who will tell your grandmother how to suck eggs once the apocalypse comes:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.worldchanging.com/bios/alex.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldchanging.com/bios/alex.html</a></p>
<p><i>Worldchanging has become the most widely-read <b>sustainability-related</b> publication on the Internet, with an archive of over <b>7,000 articles by leading thinkers around the world</b>. It&#8217;s played an important role in revealing formerly obscure innovations and groundbreaking ideas, thereby pushing forward the <b>sustainability movement</b> and assisting in the growth of its network.</i></p>
<p><i>Steffen was also the editor of Worldchanging&#8217;s wildly successful first book, Worldchanging: A User&#8217;s Guide for the 21st Century (Abrams, 2006), a 600-page compendium of writings from over sixty noted leaders around the world, with a foreword by Al Gore, an introduction by Bruce Sterling, and design by Stefan Sagmeister (winner of the 2005 Cooper-Hewitt National Design Award).</i></p>
<p>And so what Independent Farmer John is saying is that  there&#8217;s nothing Al Gore, Bruce Sterling, or 7,000 other leading thinkers around the world could <i>possibly</i> say that Independent Farmer John wouldn&#8217;t already know. And Independent Farmer John would like to point out just how <i>arrogant</i> these other people are for even <i>thinking</i> such a thing.</p>
<p>Now, I don&#8217;t know if this Alex Steffen guy ever pulled teets on a cow. I don&#8217;t care. Because I&#8217;m pretty sure they&#8217;re not talking about a repository on various ways in which to suck eggs.</p>
<p>Likewise, I don&#8217;t know if Alex Steffen has anything that he himself built or designed that Independent Farmer John might find useful. But it appears that Alex Steffen has a few thousand friends, and one of them <i>just might</i>.</p>
<p>But by all means, stamp yur feet and pound yur chests about how no high falutin city slicker could ever tell you something you didn&#8217;t know. Tell us how <i>arrogant</i> they would have to be to even think such a thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorzdad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232233</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorzdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...if folks who knew tools and innovation left the comfy bright green cities and traveled to the dead mall suburban slums, rustbelt browntowns and climate-smacked farm communities...&lt;/i&gt;

This really has to be about the most narrow-minded and condescending thing I&#039;ve read here. 
What? Big cities are inherently immune to the ravages of an apocalyptic event, thanks to high-density geekage? In the case of an apocalyptic collapse of society, I&#039;ll put my (now worthless) money on the abilities of the &quot;climate-smacked farm communities&quot; to pull through far better than urban hipsters armed with Make back issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;if folks who knew tools and innovation left the comfy bright green cities and traveled to the dead mall suburban slums, rustbelt browntowns and climate-smacked farm communities&#8230;</i></p>
<p>This really has to be about the most narrow-minded and condescending thing I&#8217;ve read here.<br />
What? Big cities are inherently immune to the ravages of an apocalyptic event, thanks to high-density geekage? In the case of an apocalyptic collapse of society, I&#8217;ll put my (now worthless) money on the abilities of the &#8220;climate-smacked farm communities&#8221; to pull through far better than urban hipsters armed with Make back issues.</p>
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		<title>By: presterjohn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232489</link>
		<dc:creator>presterjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Morrow_Project&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Morrow Project&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.randomhouse.com/features/cahill/irish.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How The Irish Saved Civilization&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Morrow_Project" rel="nofollow">The Morrow Project</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.randomhouse.com/features/cahill/irish.html" rel="nofollow">How The Irish Saved Civilization</a></p>
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		<title>By: buddy66</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/13/postapocalypse-witho.html#comment-232235</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m betting post-apocalypse fantasies are common among SF readers. I&#039;ve harbored one since I read &#039;Earth Abides&#039; when I was fourteen. It&#039;s heavily larded with an earlier childhood reading of &#039;Swiss Family Robinson&#039;â€” Jesus, that shipwreck had a lot of neat shit onboard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m betting post-apocalypse fantasies are common among SF readers. I&#8217;ve harbored one since I read &#8216;Earth Abides&#8217; when I was fourteen. It&#8217;s heavily larded with an earlier childhood reading of &#8216;Swiss Family Robinson&#8217;â€” Jesus, that shipwreck had a lot of neat shit onboard!</p>
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