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	<title>Comments on: Cop busts guy for taking his pic: &quot;It&#039;s illegal to take a picture of a law enforcement officer... if you don&#039;t give it to me, you&#039;re going to&#160;jail&quot;</title>
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		<title>By: poagao</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236545</link>
		<dc:creator>poagao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He used an iPhone; I don&#039;t think there is an autofocus beam on that camera, or any light at all. And if he thought it was a laser, why did he start demanding the picture be deleted?

All of these stories make me think photographers are eventually going to have to leave the US and UK if they want to keep taking pictures. Everyone else will have to rely on CCTV capture-scans for pictures of their kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He used an iPhone; I don&#8217;t think there is an autofocus beam on that camera, or any light at all. And if he thought it was a laser, why did he start demanding the picture be deleted?</p>
<p>All of these stories make me think photographers are eventually going to have to leave the US and UK if they want to keep taking pictures. Everyone else will have to rely on CCTV capture-scans for pictures of their kids.</p>
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		<title>By: nataliej</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236546</link>
		<dc:creator>nataliej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but was that affidavit written by a six year old?  Seriously, I&#039;ve seen better handwriting and sentence structure from my eight year old niece.</description>
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		<title>By: Sparrow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236808</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may not technically be illegal to take a picture of a cop, but the law is whatever the person with the bigger gun and most backup wants to interpret it to be. Once you&#039;re charged, good luck finding anyone who seriously believes that crap about innocent until proven guilty, if you were innocent, they never would have caught you. And if you don&#039;t agree, you&#039;re a terrorist. (And if you do, the terrorists have already won.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may not technically be illegal to take a picture of a cop, but the law is whatever the person with the bigger gun and most backup wants to interpret it to be. Once you&#8217;re charged, good luck finding anyone who seriously believes that crap about innocent until proven guilty, if you were innocent, they never would have caught you. And if you don&#8217;t agree, you&#8217;re a terrorist. (And if you do, the terrorists have already won.)</p>
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		<title>By: mdhatter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-238089</link>
		<dc:creator>mdhatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but the number of people on this site so readily defending the cop&#039;s behavior is far more than I expected.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m a little amazed to see so many people willing to pillory an officer on the word of some random guy who would actively interfere with an otherwise unremarkable traffic stop. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but the number of people on this site so readily defending the cop&#8217;s behavior is far more than I expected.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m a little amazed to see so many people willing to pillory an officer on the word of some random guy who would actively interfere with an otherwise unremarkable traffic stop. </p>
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		<title>By: madjo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236554</link>
		<dc:creator>madjo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read the affidavit. Is illiteracy that high in the US? Multiple times &quot;I seen&quot;.
But the Hummer drove slowly, and the man behind the wheel said &quot;Smile, I&#039;m going to take your picture&quot;? wtf. I wouldn&#039;t even bother saying that.

And he became irrate(sic) and started cursing just after the question &quot;Why were you taking our picture?&quot; 
Right.. I think something else took place there.
BTW, from the affidavit it sounds like they knew it was a camera, then why arrest Connover for pointing a laser at the police officers?

I&#039;d say very clear grounds for an appeal on false arrest.

btw, I am not a lawyer, nor a US citizen. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read the affidavit. Is illiteracy that high in the US? Multiple times &#8220;I seen&#8221;.<br />
But the Hummer drove slowly, and the man behind the wheel said &#8220;Smile, I&#8217;m going to take your picture&#8221;? wtf. I wouldn&#8217;t even bother saying that.</p>
<p>And he became irrate(sic) and started cursing just after the question &#8220;Why were you taking our picture?&#8221;<br />
Right.. I think something else took place there.<br />
BTW, from the affidavit it sounds like they knew it was a camera, then why arrest Connover for pointing a laser at the police officers?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say very clear grounds for an appeal on false arrest.</p>
<p>btw, I am not a lawyer, nor a US citizen. :)</p>
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		<title>By: mdhatter</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-237073</link>
		<dc:creator>mdhatter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Public oversight is a good thing, but making a nuisance of yourself while doing a good thing, makes it into a bad thing.

Taunting an officer makes you a nuisance at least - and maybe a threat. It is not their responsibility to sort real threats from perceived threats. 

That&#039;s what judges are for. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public oversight is a good thing, but making a nuisance of yourself while doing a good thing, makes it into a bad thing.</p>
<p>Taunting an officer makes you a nuisance at least &#8211; and maybe a threat. It is not their responsibility to sort real threats from perceived threats. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what judges are for. </p>
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		<title>By: jtegnell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236562</link>
		<dc:creator>jtegnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those of you complaining about the grammar:

If he could write above junior high school level, wouldn&#039;t he have a better range of job options? Wouldn&#039;t cop be kind of low on his list then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those of you complaining about the grammar:</p>
<p>If he could write above junior high school level, wouldn&#8217;t he have a better range of job options? Wouldn&#8217;t cop be kind of low on his list then?</p>
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		<title>By: Blackbird</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236572</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the affidavit: &quot;2 sets of handcuffs were used on this subject&quot;.

2 sets?  I&#039;m curious as to whether he was hogtied with them, or if he was so fat that a single pair couldn&#039;t link his arms together...

Of course, the other option is...  &quot;Your honour, he looked like the Hulk and we were afraid that he might be able to break through one set of cuffs, so we used a second just in case.&quot;

Interfering with a peace officer would be a much easier charge to try to swing (IMO) that what they kinda made up to charge him with. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the affidavit: &#8220;2 sets of handcuffs were used on this subject&#8221;.</p>
<p>2 sets?  I&#8217;m curious as to whether he was hogtied with them, or if he was so fat that a single pair couldn&#8217;t link his arms together&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, the other option is&#8230;  &#8220;Your honour, he looked like the Hulk and we were afraid that he might be able to break through one set of cuffs, so we used a second just in case.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interfering with a peace officer would be a much easier charge to try to swing (IMO) that what they kinda made up to charge him with. </p>
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		<title>By: chicagojohn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236574</link>
		<dc:creator>chicagojohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If he could write above junior high school level, wouldn&#039;t he have a better range of job options? Wouldn&#039;t cop be kind of low on his list then?&quot;

Actually Cops (and firemen) have great retirement benefits... think of Drew Peterson (the guy in suburban Chicago with the &quot;missing&quot; wife, and whose previous wife &quot;accidentally&quot; drowned in the bathtub)... he&#039;s only 54 years old but pulling down a full pension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If he could write above junior high school level, wouldn&#8217;t he have a better range of job options? Wouldn&#8217;t cop be kind of low on his list then?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually Cops (and firemen) have great retirement benefits&#8230; think of Drew Peterson (the guy in suburban Chicago with the &#8220;missing&#8221; wife, and whose previous wife &#8220;accidentally&#8221; drowned in the bathtub)&#8230; he&#8217;s only 54 years old but pulling down a full pension.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236830</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so the enemy isn&#039;t just the villains, it&#039;s the cops,the lawyers, the judges et al. Isn&#039;t that just spiffy for the ordinary guy just trying to live?  Best to operate outside the system then. You get as much justice as you make yourself and the local biker gang is a more reliable source when you need enforcement. Use 911 as a weapon, not a life preserver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the enemy isn&#8217;t just the villains, it&#8217;s the cops,the lawyers, the judges et al. Isn&#8217;t that just spiffy for the ordinary guy just trying to live?  Best to operate outside the system then. You get as much justice as you make yourself and the local biker gang is a more reliable source when you need enforcement. Use 911 as a weapon, not a life preserver.</p>
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		<title>By: poagao</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-238111</link>
		<dc:creator>poagao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m amazed at your amazement! But I&#039;m amazed at your amazement of my amazement.....etc.

Hey, it&#039;s your country: if you&#039;re happy with what&#039;s going on there, fine. Amazement for all my friends, on the house! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m amazed at your amazement! But I&#8217;m amazed at your amazement of my amazement&#8230;..etc.</p>
<p>Hey, it&#8217;s your country: if you&#8217;re happy with what&#8217;s going on there, fine. Amazement for all my friends, on the house! </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236576</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Next this cop claims to see a laser gunsight and shoots the suspects. Those people could be dead now. Well they had it coming to them. Yes your honor, it was a laser gunsight, for the purpose of sexual gratification. The police is always right, case dismissed.

Will anything change? Will this cop be disciplined? Can it happen again, to you next? What will the police learn from this? That their officers can get away with making up more and more ridiculous offenses? That their executive potential isn&#039;t kept in check by the judiciary? That whoever controls the police, if they only invent convenient enough charges, they&#039;ll be able to gain great power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next this cop claims to see a laser gunsight and shoots the suspects. Those people could be dead now. Well they had it coming to them. Yes your honor, it was a laser gunsight, for the purpose of sexual gratification. The police is always right, case dismissed.</p>
<p>Will anything change? Will this cop be disciplined? Can it happen again, to you next? What will the police learn from this? That their officers can get away with making up more and more ridiculous offenses? That their executive potential isn&#8217;t kept in check by the judiciary? That whoever controls the police, if they only invent convenient enough charges, they&#8217;ll be able to gain great power?</p>
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		<title>By: kenmce</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-237602</link>
		<dc:creator>kenmce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;#37 posted by Takuan , July 18, 2008 8:11 AM
&gt;you know how cops have dash cams? How much for &gt;CopStopCams do ya think? 

About $1,500 with this guy.  No satellite uplink though:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Complete-Dash-Hound-Mobile-Police-Video-Camera-System_W0QQitemZ200238837329QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200238837329&amp;_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318

And this just for your entertainment:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Philadelphia-PA-Police-Camera-Cont-Patch-PENNSYLVANIA_W0QQitemZ380047096000QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380047096000&amp;_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>#37 posted by Takuan , July 18, 2008 8:11 AM<br />
>you know how cops have dash cams? How much for >CopStopCams do ya think? </p>
<p>About $1,500 with this guy.  No satellite uplink though:</p>
<p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Complete-Dash-Hound-Mobile-Police-Video-Camera-System_W0QQitemZ200238837329QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200238837329&#038;_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/Complete-Dash-Hound-Mobile-Police-Video-Camera-System_W0QQitemZ200238837329QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item200238837329&#038;_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318</a></p>
<p>And this just for your entertainment:</p>
<p><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/Philadelphia-PA-Police-Camera-Cont-Patch-PENNSYLVANIA_W0QQitemZ380047096000QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380047096000&#038;_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/Philadelphia-PA-Police-Camera-Cont-Patch-PENNSYLVANIA_W0QQitemZ380047096000QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item380047096000&#038;_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318</a></p>
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		<title>By: JamesMason</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236593</link>
		<dc:creator>JamesMason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This gives me a great idea for a &quot;hack&quot; on digital cameras - a way to make it look like you have deleted a picture, when in reality all you have done is put it in a different file location.

Now, thanks to me, the fact that I have mentioned this means that every cop will have to assume that every camera has been hacked, therefore eliminating this option and forcing all of you to surrender your memory cards instead of merely deleting the *offensive* image.

Merely carrying a camera in the presence of a policeman will have to also be made illegal, since it is safe to assume that if you have a camera, you will use it to take a picture at every opportunity.

Furthermore, anything bigger than a flash drive will also be illegal to have anywhere near a policeman, since it is possible (nay, probable) that it contains a small spy camera, set to automatically photograph any law enforcement officer.

YES - my evil plan is succeeding.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This gives me a great idea for a &#8220;hack&#8221; on digital cameras &#8211; a way to make it look like you have deleted a picture, when in reality all you have done is put it in a different file location.</p>
<p>Now, thanks to me, the fact that I have mentioned this means that every cop will have to assume that every camera has been hacked, therefore eliminating this option and forcing all of you to surrender your memory cards instead of merely deleting the *offensive* image.</p>
<p>Merely carrying a camera in the presence of a policeman will have to also be made illegal, since it is safe to assume that if you have a camera, you will use it to take a picture at every opportunity.</p>
<p>Furthermore, anything bigger than a flash drive will also be illegal to have anywhere near a policeman, since it is possible (nay, probable) that it contains a small spy camera, set to automatically photograph any law enforcement officer.</p>
<p>YES &#8211; my evil plan is succeeding.</p>
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		<title>By: danimagoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>danimagoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the news article: &quot;Under the advice of the Johnson County attorney, the sheriff would not comment and the arresting deputy said he didnâ€™t want to incriminate himself by talking to us.&quot;

Incriminate himself? It sounds like the officer knows the arrest was bogus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the news article: &#8220;Under the advice of the Johnson County attorney, the sheriff would not comment and the arresting deputy said he didnâ€™t want to incriminate himself by talking to us.&#8221;</p>
<p>Incriminate himself? It sounds like the officer knows the arrest was bogus.</p>
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		<title>By: sherm</title>
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		<dc:creator>sherm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>poor grammar aside.  I don&#039;t see how this is a false arrest.  The arrest for photography will get tossed, yes.  But the cop is going to try to put everything on there to see what sticks.  The disorderly conduct sounds very likely when reading this one sided account from the officer in question.

Why is this guy in the hummer slowing down to take a picture of two cops at a traffic stop?  Honestly, what is going on there?  They could have ticketed him off the bat for reckless driving as well.  He obviously had his attention on the cops more than on the road.

The cop also said that the guy became irate and started cursing, which to me sounds like disorderly conduct and they arrested him for it.  Good.  If I was sitting on the side of the road and this yuppie in the hummer starts doing 10mph to get a pic of me then I would want him to delete it too.  Is there some sort of right to privacy there or can I just go to anyone&#039;s place of work and take pictures of them without their permission and use it however I want (as long as it isn&#039;t for self-gratification)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>poor grammar aside.  I don&#8217;t see how this is a false arrest.  The arrest for photography will get tossed, yes.  But the cop is going to try to put everything on there to see what sticks.  The disorderly conduct sounds very likely when reading this one sided account from the officer in question.</p>
<p>Why is this guy in the hummer slowing down to take a picture of two cops at a traffic stop?  Honestly, what is going on there?  They could have ticketed him off the bat for reckless driving as well.  He obviously had his attention on the cops more than on the road.</p>
<p>The cop also said that the guy became irate and started cursing, which to me sounds like disorderly conduct and they arrested him for it.  Good.  If I was sitting on the side of the road and this yuppie in the hummer starts doing 10mph to get a pic of me then I would want him to delete it too.  Is there some sort of right to privacy there or can I just go to anyone&#8217;s place of work and take pictures of them without their permission and use it however I want (as long as it isn&#8217;t for self-gratification)?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm whats new.
A cop abusing his powers, going on an ego trip, twisting the law to fit a make believe crime, once again putting his hands on an honest citizen unrightfully and unjustly.  A man was removed from his car, place in hand cuffs, likely his car was towed, he was driven a distance from his path, placed in a cell.  And for what?  Seriously when is this shit going to stop?  They already enact thousands of new and all inclusive laws every year, why do they constantly feel the need to make a law fit a crime that it doesnt?  What are the chances the man taking the photo was going to use it for sexual gratification?  slim and none.  I cant help but wonder what ACTUAL crimes are going on the same time these fat losers are blindly trampling on honest peoples rights and freedom.

The fact is when you UPSET a police officer, he will find a law to twist so he can make you a criminal.  Just because everyone knows the police are half-wit adrenaline junkies with touchy egos, doesnt make it right.  There are reasons for laws and police and this is surely not it.  We are so fucked im sick of typing about it.  The government is spying on everyone, your rights are gone, freedom is thin, the police get more confused on their abilities every day, or simply choose to abuse their power at whim, men are being tackled for enjoying their hobby of photography, people are being killed on the spot for petty crimes with the police playing cop/judge/executioner, using 100,000 volts of electricity to subdue small and frail people when its not needed.   Not only that but we have a constant loom or threat of terror that is being abused and used as the catalyst driving our loss of freedoms and god given rights, destroying and tearing at the very fabric of society and wellbeing of man with a broad sword.

Yes something horrible happened 7 years ago, yes it changed america forever.  No, photographers are not the cause, NO, taking our freedom and replacing it with fear will not help.  Anytime I bring up the fact that we are being spyed on and lied to, someone always has to speak up and ask &quot;well if you dont want them to listen, then what are you trying to hide?&quot;  The answer is simple, nothing but my PRIVACY.  A thing I used to have a right to.  I swear to you that the effects of our own government have greatly affected me more than that tragic day 7 years ago.  For while I had a friend pass away that day, I have since lost almost all confidence and pride in my countries government from their actions and reactions alone.  I suppose it doesnt matter anyways, I maybe have 40 more trips around the sun and my games over, by then the government will be forced to make more sense instead of cents.

I mean what the hell is going on?
milking the country dry?
people are choosing between heat and food?
millions go homeless and lose jobs?
1 millions families are affected by a son/father fighting in a war that we have nothing to do with?
3000 of them never made it back home....
3 tons of money shipped there only to disappear?
unexplained deaths of soldiers?
laws tighten around honest citizens, its getting to a point where you dont actually have to be a criminal to be labeled and treated as one.
I tell you what, Im American through and through, and I stand behind almost nothing that my government does.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm whats new.<br />
A cop abusing his powers, going on an ego trip, twisting the law to fit a make believe crime, once again putting his hands on an honest citizen unrightfully and unjustly.  A man was removed from his car, place in hand cuffs, likely his car was towed, he was driven a distance from his path, placed in a cell.  And for what?  Seriously when is this shit going to stop?  They already enact thousands of new and all inclusive laws every year, why do they constantly feel the need to make a law fit a crime that it doesnt?  What are the chances the man taking the photo was going to use it for sexual gratification?  slim and none.  I cant help but wonder what ACTUAL crimes are going on the same time these fat losers are blindly trampling on honest peoples rights and freedom.</p>
<p>The fact is when you UPSET a police officer, he will find a law to twist so he can make you a criminal.  Just because everyone knows the police are half-wit adrenaline junkies with touchy egos, doesnt make it right.  There are reasons for laws and police and this is surely not it.  We are so fucked im sick of typing about it.  The government is spying on everyone, your rights are gone, freedom is thin, the police get more confused on their abilities every day, or simply choose to abuse their power at whim, men are being tackled for enjoying their hobby of photography, people are being killed on the spot for petty crimes with the police playing cop/judge/executioner, using 100,000 volts of electricity to subdue small and frail people when its not needed.   Not only that but we have a constant loom or threat of terror that is being abused and used as the catalyst driving our loss of freedoms and god given rights, destroying and tearing at the very fabric of society and wellbeing of man with a broad sword.</p>
<p>Yes something horrible happened 7 years ago, yes it changed america forever.  No, photographers are not the cause, NO, taking our freedom and replacing it with fear will not help.  Anytime I bring up the fact that we are being spyed on and lied to, someone always has to speak up and ask &#8220;well if you dont want them to listen, then what are you trying to hide?&#8221;  The answer is simple, nothing but my PRIVACY.  A thing I used to have a right to.  I swear to you that the effects of our own government have greatly affected me more than that tragic day 7 years ago.  For while I had a friend pass away that day, I have since lost almost all confidence and pride in my countries government from their actions and reactions alone.  I suppose it doesnt matter anyways, I maybe have 40 more trips around the sun and my games over, by then the government will be forced to make more sense instead of cents.</p>
<p>I mean what the hell is going on?<br />
milking the country dry?<br />
people are choosing between heat and food?<br />
millions go homeless and lose jobs?<br />
1 millions families are affected by a son/father fighting in a war that we have nothing to do with?<br />
3000 of them never made it back home&#8230;.<br />
3 tons of money shipped there only to disappear?<br />
unexplained deaths of soldiers?<br />
laws tighten around honest citizens, its getting to a point where you dont actually have to be a criminal to be labeled and treated as one.<br />
I tell you what, Im American through and through, and I stand behind almost nothing that my government does.  </p>
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		<title>By: yesno</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236618</link>
		<dc:creator>yesno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re allowed to observe and take pictures of cops as they do their work.  They are public officials.  You don&#039;t even have to be polite to them.

If a cop doesn&#039;t like that, he can get a new job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re allowed to observe and take pictures of cops as they do their work.  They are public officials.  You don&#8217;t even have to be polite to them.</p>
<p>If a cop doesn&#8217;t like that, he can get a new job.</p>
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		<title>By: rAMPANTiDIOCY</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236619</link>
		<dc:creator>rAMPANTiDIOCY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of an old NWA song. . .</description>
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		<title>By: SeppTB</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236622</link>
		<dc:creator>SeppTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13 Sherm - You can take pictures of people at their place of work so long as they work on public property, like cops do.  Taxi drivers, hot dog vendors, etc, go right ahead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13 Sherm &#8211; You can take pictures of people at their place of work so long as they work on public property, like cops do.  Taxi drivers, hot dog vendors, etc, go right ahead!</p>
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		<title>By: Red Leatherman</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236625</link>
		<dc:creator>Red Leatherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With well over 10,000 federal regulations on the books, The idea that all a person has to do is not break the law is moot.
The mindset of many is more towards how not to draw attention to ones self.
because once the focus is on someone, it doesn&#039;t take long to find some sort of a violation to charge them with.
Even if your innocent of the accusation, you are likely to incriminate yourself else wise in your defense.
I applaud Mr Conover&#039;s stand for civil liberties,  there is price not many of us are willing to pay the price for freedom and freedom doesen&#039;t come cheep and most are willing  blow it off.
easier to toss the camera, stay inside after dark, don&#039;t question Authority,  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With well over 10,000 federal regulations on the books, The idea that all a person has to do is not break the law is moot.<br />
The mindset of many is more towards how not to draw attention to ones self.<br />
because once the focus is on someone, it doesn&#8217;t take long to find some sort of a violation to charge them with.<br />
Even if your innocent of the accusation, you are likely to incriminate yourself else wise in your defense.<br />
I applaud Mr Conover&#8217;s stand for civil liberties,  there is price not many of us are willing to pay the price for freedom and freedom doesen&#8217;t come cheep and most are willing  blow it off.<br />
easier to toss the camera, stay inside after dark, don&#8217;t question Authority,  </p>
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		<title>By: FredicvsMaximvs</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236632</link>
		<dc:creator>FredicvsMaximvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #14 Ken Hansen: I agree. Sounds like the picture-taker was being an ass for the sake of provoking a reaction - and that&#039;s exactly what he got.
Yes, the &quot;laser&quot; charge is bogus, but I think the disorderly conduct charge isn&#039;t that big a stretch, considering how the guy reacted when asked to delete the picture.
Note that I&#039;m not saying that we don&#039;t have the right to photograph situations happening in public. We can (and should) maintain the right to watch the watchers. It&#039;d be one thing if the cops were being abusive to the first guy they stopped, and Mr. Conover was trying to document that. But it sounds like he was just out to start some $#!+. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ #14 Ken Hansen: I agree. Sounds like the picture-taker was being an ass for the sake of provoking a reaction &#8211; and that&#8217;s exactly what he got.<br />
Yes, the &#8220;laser&#8221; charge is bogus, but I think the disorderly conduct charge isn&#8217;t that big a stretch, considering how the guy reacted when asked to delete the picture.<br />
Note that I&#8217;m not saying that we don&#8217;t have the right to photograph situations happening in public. We can (and should) maintain the right to watch the watchers. It&#8217;d be one thing if the cops were being abusive to the first guy they stopped, and Mr. Conover was trying to document that. But it sounds like he was just out to start some $#!+. </p>
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		<title>By: dirtymoney</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236637</link>
		<dc:creator>dirtymoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those of you who dont know.... this is a common tactic to punish someone who has pissed off or annoyed a cop. Basically creatively arrest &amp; charge them with something that wont stand up in court. Meanwhile they are put thru the system (arrested, fingerprinted, mugshot taken, put in a cell for a few hours).  Its for petty punishment only.  The cop KNOWS the guy was arrested under bullshit charges .... the prosecutor/judge  knows as well &amp; it gets dismissed.   But the person arrested was inconvenienced (punished) in the end. Getting ANY prosecutor to go ahead with flase arrest charges for somethiong like this is just about impossible. Cops know this.... so they keep doing it to get back at anyone who annoys them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who dont know&#8230;. this is a common tactic to punish someone who has pissed off or annoyed a cop. Basically creatively arrest &#038; charge them with something that wont stand up in court. Meanwhile they are put thru the system (arrested, fingerprinted, mugshot taken, put in a cell for a few hours).  Its for petty punishment only.  The cop KNOWS the guy was arrested under bullshit charges &#8230;. the prosecutor/judge  knows as well &#038; it gets dismissed.   But the person arrested was inconvenienced (punished) in the end. Getting ANY prosecutor to go ahead with flase arrest charges for somethiong like this is just about impossible. Cops know this&#8230;. so they keep doing it to get back at anyone who annoys them. </p>
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		<title>By: dirtymoney</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236638</link>
		<dc:creator>dirtymoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@FredicvsMaximvs  &quot;It&#039;d be one thing if the cops were being abusive to the first guy they stopped, and Mr. Conover was trying to document that. But it sounds like he was just out to start some $#!+&quot; 

Doesn that really matter?  SHouldnt cops be above petty shit like this? Yeah, a guy took your picture. Not illegal, Not a personal affront to you. If a cop cant take someone giving him some minor shit (which i dont think taking a cop&#039;s picture is), then he doesnt deserve to be a cop. My father was a cop &amp; you know what he would do when someone flipped him off.... he&#039;d smile &amp; wave...and thats it.   You dont get all butthurt &amp; petty when someone shows you a bit of disrespect. You have to have thick skin &amp; resist throwing your weight around just to get back at people.  

And cops wonder why people hate them. *rollsyes*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@FredicvsMaximvs  &#8220;It&#8217;d be one thing if the cops were being abusive to the first guy they stopped, and Mr. Conover was trying to document that. But it sounds like he was just out to start some $#!+&#8221; </p>
<p>Doesn that really matter?  SHouldnt cops be above petty shit like this? Yeah, a guy took your picture. Not illegal, Not a personal affront to you. If a cop cant take someone giving him some minor shit (which i dont think taking a cop&#8217;s picture is), then he doesnt deserve to be a cop. My father was a cop &#038; you know what he would do when someone flipped him off&#8230;. he&#8217;d smile &#038; wave&#8230;and thats it.   You dont get all butthurt &#038; petty when someone shows you a bit of disrespect. You have to have thick skin &#038; resist throwing your weight around just to get back at people.  </p>
<p>And cops wonder why people hate them. *rollsyes*</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-237406</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LET ME MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR
Just because you know you will be arrested and maybe even beaten by the police if you do so much as get RUDE with them, DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT.  So saying something like &quot;well thats what he should expect when messing with the police&quot; the person is not saying he agrees with what the cop is doing, he is merely stating that everyone knows what will happen and the guy is stupid for stepping in that direction and receiving the beating.  The fact is, unless you are doing something very wrong no cop should every have to get PHYSICAL with you.  In fact they should not arrest everyone for petty things, tying up man hours, lawyers, judges, the man himself, etc.  Old unpaid fines should be a smudge on your record, not a way to place you in custody.  Because jails are for real criminals, holding cells are for people who hurt people.  Average and honest citizens should never see the inside of a jail but they do.  Guess what they arent treated &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot;  They are treated as &quot;guilty until paid in full&quot; THATS A FACT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LET ME MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR<br />
Just because you know you will be arrested and maybe even beaten by the police if you do so much as get RUDE with them, DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT.  So saying something like &#8220;well thats what he should expect when messing with the police&#8221; the person is not saying he agrees with what the cop is doing, he is merely stating that everyone knows what will happen and the guy is stupid for stepping in that direction and receiving the beating.  The fact is, unless you are doing something very wrong no cop should every have to get PHYSICAL with you.  In fact they should not arrest everyone for petty things, tying up man hours, lawyers, judges, the man himself, etc.  Old unpaid fines should be a smudge on your record, not a way to place you in custody.  Because jails are for real criminals, holding cells are for people who hurt people.  Average and honest citizens should never see the inside of a jail but they do.  Guess what they arent treated &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221;  They are treated as &#8220;guilty until paid in full&#8221; THATS A FACT.</p>
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		<title>By: Baldhead</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236895</link>
		<dc:creator>Baldhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy taking the pics was being a dick about it. Continued being a dick about it. Cops arrested him. The end? probably cops&#039; charges are dropped, and any charges of wrongful arrest also dropped. In the end we get a bunch of court time wasted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy taking the pics was being a dick about it. Continued being a dick about it. Cops arrested him. The end? probably cops&#8217; charges are dropped, and any charges of wrongful arrest also dropped. In the end we get a bunch of court time wasted.</p>
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		<title>By: fria</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-237151</link>
		<dc:creator>fria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like the driver was being an ass.</description>
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		<title>By: arkizzle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236643</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do we know what the guy was taking a picture of?

It&#039;s all well and good assuming he was being an ass, but if he was documenting the officers breaking the law, or engaging in activity unbecoming of their station, then he may have be correct to photograph them (at risk to his own well being).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we know what the guy was taking a picture of?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all well and good assuming he was being an ass, but if he was documenting the officers breaking the law, or engaging in activity unbecoming of their station, then he may have be correct to photograph them (at risk to his own well being).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236899</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@52 and others: &quot;just getting arrested&quot;, even if charges are completely dismissed later, can have serious, lifelong consequences well beyond the cost, inconvenience and real violation of rights and freedoms of the moment.  

The record of arrest and the charges remain accessible forever to law enforcement agencies internationally, forever, and merely having an arrest record for these charges (threatening an officer, etc.) may be enough for many countries to deny him entry forever, which can be pretty devastating if you have to travel for your career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@52 and others: &#8220;just getting arrested&#8221;, even if charges are completely dismissed later, can have serious, lifelong consequences well beyond the cost, inconvenience and real violation of rights and freedoms of the moment.  </p>
<p>The record of arrest and the charges remain accessible forever to law enforcement agencies internationally, forever, and merely having an arrest record for these charges (threatening an officer, etc.) may be enough for many countries to deny him entry forever, which can be pretty devastating if you have to travel for your career.</p>
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		<title>By: The Unusual Suspect</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/07/18/cop-busts-guy-for-ta.html#comment-236646</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unusual Suspect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also a common tactic for police to over-state the reasons for the arrest in their reports.

By implying that the suspect became irate without provocation, and was cursing, confrontational to the officers and perhaps endangering the two children in the back seat, they paint a picture for the judge and jury of a menace to society.

Likewise, the two sets of handcuffs are also theatre, implying that the officers had reason to feel threatened by the suspect.

(2 #20: &quot;For those of you who dont know.... this is a common tactic to punish someone who has pissed off or annoyed a cop.&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also a common tactic for police to over-state the reasons for the arrest in their reports.</p>
<p>By implying that the suspect became irate without provocation, and was cursing, confrontational to the officers and perhaps endangering the two children in the back seat, they paint a picture for the judge and jury of a menace to society.</p>
<p>Likewise, the two sets of handcuffs are also theatre, implying that the officers had reason to feel threatened by the suspect.</p>
<p>(2 #20: &#8220;For those of you who dont know&#8230;. this is a common tactic to punish someone who has pissed off or annoyed a cop.&#8221;)</p>
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