Comments on: American Library Association's privacy initiative: white-paper, survey, video http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Mon, 20 May 2013 03:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-241423 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-241423 I just thought "sexy librarian" was a redundancy. I just thought “sexy librarian” was a redundancy.

]]> By: Lewis Haidt http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-240955 Lewis Haidt Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-240955 White papers are important and panels are excellent (it be nice if they were publicized beyond the converted however), but what about planting one's feet on the ground, like, maybe LA Public Library might want to make a Facebook group, before walled gardens and basic groups on FB req. an "advertising", ur, I mean, posting sur-charge. I'll join if someone sexy librarian starts the group.... White papers are important and panels are excellent (it be nice if they were publicized beyond the converted however), but what about planting one’s feet on the ground, like, maybe LA Public Library might want to make a Facebook group, before walled gardens and basic groups on FB req. an “advertising”, ur, I mean, posting sur-charge.

I’ll join if someone sexy librarian starts the group….

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-244050 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-244050 Compelling talk - however, London Transport didn't raise the price of paper tickets and claim that the Oyster Card was a discount while charging the same as always. The single and return tickets were abolished completely, with travel cards the only paper ticket option left (so even if you only travelled one station along the line, you would be paying enough to get you half a dozen stations further). The Oyster was a cheaper option - in my own experience, getting to Central London was more than £2 less expensive, and still is. The cards also contain no personal information about the user (except where the user travels to and from) unless you register your details with London Transport (and if you don't want anyone finding out where you come and go, the card can be returned to the seller, and the money used to buy the card returned). Other than this, your talk was fascinating. Compelling talk – however, London Transport didn’t raise the price of paper tickets and claim that the Oyster Card was a discount while charging the same as always. The single and return tickets were abolished completely, with travel cards the only paper ticket option left (so even if you only travelled one station along the line, you would be paying enough to get you half a dozen stations further). The Oyster was a cheaper option – in my own experience, getting to Central London was more than £2 less expensive, and still is. The cards also contain no personal information about the user (except where the user travels to and from) unless you register your details with London Transport (and if you don’t want anyone finding out where you come and go, the card can be returned to the seller, and the money used to buy the card returned). Other than this, your talk was fascinating.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-242010 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-242010 I can big THAT up! I Also think more can be done to include 'street lingo' into expansive political debate. I can big THAT up! I Also think more can be done to include ‘street lingo’ into expansive political debate.

]]> By: Caroline http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-241259 Caroline Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-241259 Oh, librarians are great for this kind of thing. I think they take a secret oath to defend freedom of information and resist censorship when they get their MLS (I guess now it's an MLIS), because they organize. I believe they would take up arms if it came to it. My mother is a librarian and I have never seen her so angry as when she found out the government could demand to see her borrowers' records under the Patriot Act. (Except for the time the neighboring county's school system decided to use the ALA Banned Books List as a checklist for which books to ban from their library. I think she was angrier then.) Lewis Haidt @1, the white paper and panel are hereby publicized, and you can link to them among whatever unconverted you'd like. That's the brilliance of the internet. Also, was the "sexy librarian" remark really necessary? Oh, librarians are great for this kind of thing. I think they take a secret oath to defend freedom of information and resist censorship when they get their MLS (I guess now it’s an MLIS), because they organize. I believe they would take up arms if it came to it. My mother is a librarian and I have never seen her so angry as when she found out the government could demand to see her borrowers’ records under the Patriot Act. (Except for the time the neighboring county’s school system decided to use the ALA Banned Books List as a checklist for which books to ban from their library. I think she was angrier then.)

Lewis Haidt @1, the white paper and panel are hereby publicized, and you can link to them among whatever unconverted you’d like. That’s the brilliance of the internet. Also, was the “sexy librarian” remark really necessary?

]]> By: Takuan http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-241263 Takuan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-241263 I'm sure Lewis meant http://www.geocities.com/cherry_scented_listings/lib_img.jpg I’m sure Lewis meant
http://www.geocities.com/cherry_scented_listings/lib_img.jpg

]]> By: giusbox http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-241520 giusbox Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-241520 Really excellent. Cory, you gave voice to a lot of things I was only peripherally aware of (private vs. secret). Watched it tiwce & made me want to sign up to post a thank you. @#1: discussion/consideration before action = wise action. I think participation in this panels like this is a necessary step towards taking actions like what you're suggesting... which may not be as effective a toe-hold as you imagine. and why wait for someone else to start it? be that sexy librarian. Really excellent. Cory, you gave voice to a lot of things I was only peripherally aware of (private vs. secret). Watched it tiwce & made me want to sign up to post a thank you.

@#1: discussion/consideration before action = wise action. I think participation in this panels like this is a necessary step towards taking actions like what you’re suggesting… which may not be as effective a toe-hold as you imagine. and why wait for someone else to start it? be that sexy librarian.

]]> By: things http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-241043 things Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-241043 Very well said. Bravo. Very well said. Bravo.

]]> By: giusbox http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-243097 giusbox Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-243097 Cory referenced @ Ars Technica: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080723-librarians-want-to-turn-us-all-into-privacy-fiends.html Cory referenced @ Ars Technica:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080723-librarians-want-to-turn-us-all-into-privacy-fiends.html

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-241568 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-241568 I appreciate what's being said here, but it's being said TERRIBLY. Seriously, this guy is a horrible speaker. I know that BoingBoing has better things to do, but you're telling me no one can find a transcript? Something I can read at work? Why are people so in love with video? It's slow. It's uninteresting to watch. It's usually blocked by <s>big brother</s> proxies. Also, if anything you have to say needs a laugh track, you aren't captivating. I appreciate what’s being said here, but it’s being said TERRIBLY. Seriously, this guy is a horrible speaker. I know that BoingBoing has better things to do, but you’re telling me no one can find a transcript? Something I can read at work? Why are people so in love with video? It’s slow. It’s uninteresting to watch. It’s usually blocked by big brother proxies. Also, if anything you have to say needs a laugh track, you aren’t captivating.

]]> By: SafeLibraries http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-242120 SafeLibraries Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-242120 The ALA "privacy initiative" may not be what it sounds like from the name. See my blog, "Soros, the ALA, and Terrorists," at http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2008/05/soros-ala-and-terrorists.html The ALA “privacy initiative” may not be what it sounds like from the name. See my blog, “Soros, the ALA, and Terrorists,” at http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2008/05/soros-ala-and-terrorists.html

]]> By: sackdean http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-241620 sackdean Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-241620 One thing that is not talked about much is the use of data mining and analysis. My institution is going towards gmail as I peck this post out. Student privacy is of no concern to the administration because, as Cory points out in this excellent talk, it's packaged with the ole... 'the kids do not care' notion. I hear it all the time, that "they are posting all sorts of stuff about themselves, why should we care?" Certainly, posting about your latest break up, binge, or fetish is done arguably by choice. What I do not think folks are aware of is that we are also subjected to text, "click" and related analysis. I wonder how many behavioral psychologists etc. google has on staff? How much will Google or MSN be able to discern about me just from what I click and how I write? Am I insurable? Am I a good loan candidate? Job candidate? What happens if/when my other data, health info, financial, work history etc can be correlated? Certainly lots of this stuff is in its infancy, but there will be googles (sorry) of data to crunch once the technology improves and our apathy is absolute. My employer will soon force me to use gmail as well, and I will be subjected to the scrutiny of Google's logic engines, like it or not. In a recent meeting I actually had someone say to me... "well, we are employees here" subtext: "don't like it? there's the door, gtfo!" It IS a civil rights issue, I should not have to surrender my privacy to participate in society, but it is becoming harder and harder to do so. One thing that is not talked about much is the use of data mining and analysis. My institution is going towards gmail as I peck this post out. Student privacy is of no concern to the administration because, as Cory points out in this excellent talk, it’s packaged with the ole… ‘the kids do not care’ notion.
I hear it all the time, that “they are posting all sorts of stuff about themselves, why should we care?” Certainly, posting about your latest break up, binge, or fetish is done arguably by choice. What I do not think folks are aware of is that we are also subjected to text, “click” and related analysis. I wonder how many behavioral psychologists etc. google has on staff? How much will Google or MSN be able to discern about me just from what I click and how I write? Am I insurable? Am I a good loan candidate? Job candidate? What happens if/when my other data, health info, financial, work history etc can be correlated?
Certainly lots of this stuff is in its infancy, but there will be googles (sorry) of data to crunch once the technology improves and our apathy is absolute.

My employer will soon force me to use gmail as well, and I will be subjected to the scrutiny of Google’s logic engines, like it or not. In a recent meeting I actually had someone say to me… “well, we are employees here” subtext: “don’t like it? there’s the door, gtfo!” It IS a civil rights issue, I should not have to surrender my privacy to participate in society, but it is becoming harder and harder to do so.

]]> By: Lewis Haidt http://boingboing.net/2008/07/22/american-library-ass.html#comment-241404 Lewis Haidt Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-241404 @Crln, d thnk th "sxy" lbrrn fld ttmpt t hmr nd srcsm s bsltly ndd. prsd yr VB cmmnt. Prsnlly, hmr, srcsm nd lttl flppnt ply sms lk gd wy t tn dwn th vlm nd gt " sns f prspctv." ls, lkd yr trm "drmtc flnc" -- dfntly nt wht wld sy t sxy lbrrn.... @Crln, d thnk th “sxy” lbrrn fld ttmpt t hmr nd srcsm s bsltly ndd.

prsd yr VB cmmnt. Prsnlly, hmr, srcsm nd lttl flppnt ply sms lk gd wy t tn dwn th vlm nd gt ” sns f prspctv.”

ls, lkd yr trm “drmtc flnc” — dfntly nt wht wld sy t sxy lbrrn….

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