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		<title>By: fylateri</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-263433</link>
		<dc:creator>fylateri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think blogging and posting details or pictures about your life, no matter how intimate, is the same thing as ubiquitous surveillance.

You get to choose what you post, but you don&#039;t get to choose where you are monitored, or what happens to the footage.

I still think it&#039;s a privacy issue: the essence is whether you can choose what elements of your life you reveal.  Case in point, this boingboing id that I&#039;m using here.  I can say what I want in reasonably anonymity, but I can still be heard -- on my terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think blogging and posting details or pictures about your life, no matter how intimate, is the same thing as ubiquitous surveillance.</p>
<p>You get to choose what you post, but you don&#8217;t get to choose where you are monitored, or what happens to the footage.</p>
<p>I still think it&#8217;s a privacy issue: the essence is whether you can choose what elements of your life you reveal.  Case in point, this boingboing id that I&#8217;m using here.  I can say what I want in reasonably anonymity, but I can still be heard &#8212; on my terms.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson.C</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-261648</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson.C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seet?</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-261670</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Subversive tees are spelled backward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Subversive tees are spelled backward.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-382255</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m more concerned about the fact that people want products to be so cheap. 

Dan: 

it costs a lot of time and money to make products, the reason sweatshops and atrocities of their ilk have become so prevalent is exactly because people (americans in particular) want items to be unreasonably cheap. you can&#039;t have your cake and eat it too, someone has to pay somewhere.

if you believe in the (rather trite) images on those t-shirts, then SUPPORT THEM by buying rather than undermining them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m more concerned about the fact that people want products to be so cheap. </p>
<p>Dan: </p>
<p>it costs a lot of time and money to make products, the reason sweatshops and atrocities of their ilk have become so prevalent is exactly because people (americans in particular) want items to be unreasonably cheap. you can&#8217;t have your cake and eat it too, someone has to pay somewhere.</p>
<p>if you believe in the (rather trite) images on those t-shirts, then SUPPORT THEM by buying rather than undermining them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-262461</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the first one was an ad for one of the popular free porn sites where people just send in their vid clips of intimate behavior. 

Cory and everyone else whoâ€™s worried about public surveillance, Iâ€™m afraid that the current trend among young people is to be less private, not more.  I know itâ€™s good to worry about intrusive government, but the privacy issue seems to be going the way of the buggy whip. Kids and adults post everything on their facebook page.  Everyone wants a 1000 friends and to be made famous with Utube or Xtube productions.  Everyone is blogging and spilling their guts about the intimate details of their lives. People walk about talking so loud that we can all hear.  Where is the great cultural need for more privacy?  Maybe itâ€™s because Iâ€™m used to San Fran and Amsterdam and Dublin and the young people in these towns seem completely content to live in a public where they can be watched. They like to be watched. They want exposure. They all want to get their fifteen minutes of fame.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the first one was an ad for one of the popular free porn sites where people just send in their vid clips of intimate behavior. </p>
<p>Cory and everyone else whoâ€™s worried about public surveillance, Iâ€™m afraid that the current trend among young people is to be less private, not more.  I know itâ€™s good to worry about intrusive government, but the privacy issue seems to be going the way of the buggy whip. Kids and adults post everything on their facebook page.  Everyone wants a 1000 friends and to be made famous with Utube or Xtube productions.  Everyone is blogging and spilling their guts about the intimate details of their lives. People walk about talking so loud that we can all hear.  Where is the great cultural need for more privacy?  Maybe itâ€™s because Iâ€™m used to San Fran and Amsterdam and Dublin and the young people in these towns seem completely content to live in a public where they can be watched. They like to be watched. They want exposure. They all want to get their fifteen minutes of fame.  </p>
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		<title>By: nehpetsE</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-261964</link>
		<dc:creator>nehpetsE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only slightly off topic

DENVER - Activist groups say the converted warehouse poses a threat to civil liberties. The city maintains the facility is needed in case of mass arrests during the Democratic National Convention.
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&quot;The public was never going to view this place, it was just found out,&quot; Spagnuolo said. &quot;They got caught with this place. They told our lawyers in negotiations that this place didn&#039;t even exist.&quot;

The makeshift holding center, dubbed &quot;Gitmo on the Platte&quot; by activists, is located on city-owned property near Steele Street and 38th Avenue. Newly-installed security cameras guard the exterior, chain-link fences and barbed wire form cells inside



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only slightly off topic</p>
<p>DENVER &#8211; Activist groups say the converted warehouse poses a threat to civil liberties. The city maintains the facility is needed in case of mass arrests during the Democratic National Convention.<br />
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&#8220;The public was never going to view this place, it was just found out,&#8221; Spagnuolo said. &#8220;They got caught with this place. They told our lawyers in negotiations that this place didn&#8217;t even exist.&#8221;</p>
<p>The makeshift holding center, dubbed &#8220;Gitmo on the Platte&#8221; by activists, is located on city-owned property near Steele Street and 38th Avenue. Newly-installed security cameras guard the exterior, chain-link fences and barbed wire form cells inside</p>
<p><a href="http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=97741&#038;provider=top" rel="nofollow">http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=97741&#038;provider=top</a></p>
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		<title>By: inno</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-261720</link>
		<dc:creator>inno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This actually strikes home quite a bit right now.  I live in Cambridge, MA - one of the several towns in the area planning to deploy police CCTV cameras with Dept. of Homeland Security money.  Article &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wickedlocal.com/cambridge/news/x1246331248/City-officials-plan-to-install-surveillance-cameras-in-Cambridge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; for anyone curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This actually strikes home quite a bit right now.  I live in Cambridge, MA &#8211; one of the several towns in the area planning to deploy police CCTV cameras with Dept. of Homeland Security money.  Article <a href="http://www.wickedlocal.com/cambridge/news/x1246331248/City-officials-plan-to-install-surveillance-cameras-in-Cambridge" rel="nofollow">here</a> for anyone curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great design/statement. $27 though? No way. Knock it down to $15 and put me in for one of each.

I know, I know. It&#039;s independently made/no sweatshop labor, etc etc, but that&#039;s just too much for a tee. Guess I&#039;m hooked on shirt.woot prices when it comes to AA stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great design/statement. $27 though? No way. Knock it down to $15 and put me in for one of each.</p>
<p>I know, I know. It&#8217;s independently made/no sweatshop labor, etc etc, but that&#8217;s just too much for a tee. Guess I&#8217;m hooked on shirt.woot prices when it comes to AA stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy66</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-262749</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JEFF,
 
I forgot about what used to be called shut-ins. Since it&#039;s interactive, it would be a real boon to a great many.

I used to live in a cabin in the woods, a great life. A friend recently asked if I&#039;d like to do it again. What was my first thought? &lt;i&gt; No internet? &lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JEFF,</p>
<p>I forgot about what used to be called shut-ins. Since it&#8217;s interactive, it would be a real boon to a great many.</p>
<p>I used to live in a cabin in the woods, a great life. A friend recently asked if I&#8217;d like to do it again. What was my first thought? <i> No internet? </i></p>
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		<title>By: samu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-261988</link>
		<dc:creator>samu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmmm... moving back to London in a month. I think I need these...

LOL! I literally just looked over my shoulder to see a load of human eyes 20ft up in the bark of a tree, which seems apposite. I think they&#039;re natural. That&#039;s the 23rd most awesome thing I&#039;ve ever seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmmm&#8230; moving back to London in a month. I think I need these&#8230;</p>
<p>LOL! I literally just looked over my shoulder to see a load of human eyes 20ft up in the bark of a tree, which seems apposite. I think they&#8217;re natural. That&#8217;s the 23rd most awesome thing I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy66</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-262514</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 Jeff:

&lt;i&gt; Everyone is blogging and spilling their guts about the intimate details of their lives. &lt;/i&gt;

That raises the question of whether the web experience isn&#039;t a sort of safety pressure valve that allows a kind of electronic talking therapy, wherein and whereby one can reveal things that would never be shared face-to-face with a stranger. Look how many otherwise nice people become flaming assholes in chat rooms or on discussion threads like this one. I will lose my temper, or otherwise behave badly, behind the mask of &#039;&#039;buddy66&#039;&#039; much quicker than I would in the presence of others.  I also confess to more, admit to more, than I ordinarily would. For instance, yesterday I publicly admitted to being an alcoholic, something it took psychotherapy ten years to get from me, however conditionally. : )

As for children, the social networking Facebooks, et al, seem no more than a larger stage for their incessant quest to be accepted, liked, and popular. It&#039;s only the medium and its range that is different from what we remember from junior high school. If you think that kids no longer value privacy, try getting into one of their rooms to clean it!   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 Jeff:</p>
<p><i> Everyone is blogging and spilling their guts about the intimate details of their lives. </i></p>
<p>That raises the question of whether the web experience isn&#8217;t a sort of safety pressure valve that allows a kind of electronic talking therapy, wherein and whereby one can reveal things that would never be shared face-to-face with a stranger. Look how many otherwise nice people become flaming assholes in chat rooms or on discussion threads like this one. I will lose my temper, or otherwise behave badly, behind the mask of &#8221;buddy66&#8221; much quicker than I would in the presence of others.  I also confess to more, admit to more, than I ordinarily would. For instance, yesterday I publicly admitted to being an alcoholic, something it took psychotherapy ten years to get from me, however conditionally. : )</p>
<p>As for children, the social networking Facebooks, et al, seem no more than a larger stage for their incessant quest to be accepted, liked, and popular. It&#8217;s only the medium and its range that is different from what we remember from junior high school. If you think that kids no longer value privacy, try getting into one of their rooms to clean it!   </p>
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		<title>By: Jingles</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-262004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jingles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a couple of articles in today&#039;s Sunday Telegraph on cctv and tracking of day-to-day activities in Britain. BoingBoing gets a mention in the magazine article on photography in public places too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a couple of articles in today&#8217;s Sunday Telegraph on cctv and tracking of day-to-day activities in Britain. BoingBoing gets a mention in the magazine article on photography in public places too</p>
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		<title>By: membrain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-262024</link>
		<dc:creator>membrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re really nice, thanks Cory!</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-262565</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buddy66: I think the web serves the fuctions you stated. It&#039;s also helped open up people who would otherwise be cut off. So, social networking has increased but that has come with less expectations of privacy. If you&#039;re going to post your pic for anyone to see, are you really worried about street cameras watching you? Dear Gawd, it&#039;s when the cameras STOP watching you that you really feel their pain. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buddy66: I think the web serves the fuctions you stated. It&#8217;s also helped open up people who would otherwise be cut off. So, social networking has increased but that has come with less expectations of privacy. If you&#8217;re going to post your pic for anyone to see, are you really worried about street cameras watching you? Dear Gawd, it&#8217;s when the cameras STOP watching you that you really feel their pain. </p>
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		<title>By: ameta4</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/15/cctv-tees.html#comment-262595</link>
		<dc:creator>ameta4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10 Dan: 
My thoughts exactly. I wish I could afford it though. Want!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10 Dan:<br />
My thoughts exactly. I wish I could afford it though. Want!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jamesgyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamesgyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thatveiledgazelle.blogspot.com/2008/08/youre-on-cctv.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BEAUTIFUL song about cctv, &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;among other things,&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thatveiledgazelle.blogspot.com/2008/08/youre-on-cctv.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

please &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=112911&amp;highlight=112912&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;buy it&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, these artists are unknowns...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><a href="http://thatveiledgazelle.blogspot.com/2008/08/youre-on-cctv.html" rel="nofollow">BEAUTIFUL song about cctv, </a></b>among other things,<b><a href="http://thatveiledgazelle.blogspot.com/2008/08/youre-on-cctv.html" rel="nofollow"> here</a></b></p>
<p>please <a href="http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=112911&#038;highlight=112912" rel="nofollow"><b>buy it</b></a>, these artists are unknowns&#8230;</p>
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