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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266500</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s good land. Its empty.&lt;/i&gt;

Of water, as well as people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It&#8217;s good land. Its empty.</i></p>
<p>Of water, as well as people.</p>
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		<title>By: Brainspore</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266258</link>
		<dc:creator>Brainspore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was still hearing those nightmare predictions of population growth well into college, when anybody paying attention to global birth rate trends should have realized they were overblown. The growth rate isn&#039;t growing anymore, it&#039;s tapering off. (Increased consumption is a related but separate topic.)

One big problem that remains is the unfortunate fact that much of our economy currently DEPENDS on population growth. For example: the social security system is viable only if there are more people paying into it than living off of it, which is why much of Europe is heading for trouble now that the Baby Boomers are retiring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was still hearing those nightmare predictions of population growth well into college, when anybody paying attention to global birth rate trends should have realized they were overblown. The growth rate isn&#8217;t growing anymore, it&#8217;s tapering off. (Increased consumption is a related but separate topic.)</p>
<p>One big problem that remains is the unfortunate fact that much of our economy currently DEPENDS on population growth. For example: the social security system is viable only if there are more people paying into it than living off of it, which is why much of Europe is heading for trouble now that the Baby Boomers are retiring.</p>
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		<title>By: Avram</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266035</link>
		<dc:creator>Avram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s people! Futura Condensed Extra Bold Oblique is people! 

Actually, I just finished reading this a couple days ago. Harrison did a great job of conveying what life would be like in a massively over-crowded NYC. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s people! Futura Condensed Extra Bold Oblique is people! </p>
<p>Actually, I just finished reading this a couple days ago. Harrison did a great job of conveying what life would be like in a massively over-crowded NYC. </p>
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		<title>By: Tenn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266046</link>
		<dc:creator>Tenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New book covers is people!

I want. I&#039;ve never actually read the novel. I saw the movie when I was about six, and it has imposed itself on my psyche in a vague gathering of images- and the tendency to use the &#039;is people&#039; line among my generation, the majority of which who were not parented by such a woman as I, and therefore have no idea to what I am talking about.

Probably should wait until I finish my summer reading projects which are due this Monday, at start of school, though... Brit-Lit year in English, and according to the rumor mill, a handsome British teacher has moved here to teach!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New book covers is people!</p>
<p>I want. I&#8217;ve never actually read the novel. I saw the movie when I was about six, and it has imposed itself on my psyche in a vague gathering of images- and the tendency to use the &#8216;is people&#8217; line among my generation, the majority of which who were not parented by such a woman as I, and therefore have no idea to what I am talking about.</p>
<p>Probably should wait until I finish my summer reading projects which are due this Monday, at start of school, though&#8230; Brit-Lit year in English, and according to the rumor mill, a handsome British teacher has moved here to teach!</p>
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		<title>By: James David</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266303</link>
		<dc:creator>James David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s one book whose cover I&#039;m willing to judge.  Amazing!  That&#039;s one of my favorite fonts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s one book whose cover I&#8217;m willing to judge.  Amazing!  That&#8217;s one of my favorite fonts.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266058</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I thought that the proper way to do this was to produce a remake of the movie, and then commission a novelization of that remade movie.

Or maybe this new edition is intended to head off that entire process.:-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I thought that the proper way to do this was to produce a remake of the movie, and then commission a novelization of that remade movie.</p>
<p>Or maybe this new edition is intended to head off that entire process.:-P</p>
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		<title>By: Avram</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266077</link>
		<dc:creator>Avram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course the movie was only a loose adaptation of the book. The famous line doesn&#039;t appear in the book. There&#039;s no cannibalism plot -- there isn&#039;t even any soylent green! Those were all invented for the movie. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course the movie was only a loose adaptation of the book. The famous line doesn&#8217;t appear in the book. There&#8217;s no cannibalism plot &#8212; there isn&#8217;t even any soylent green! Those were all invented for the movie. </p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Jones</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266364</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The movie remains thriller shlock, but it has become amazingly prescient thriller shlock.

Sol has a wonderful rant about the greenhouse effect early on. Later, he and his bookie friends read some Soylent Corporation research papers and realize that the marine ecosystems have collapsed and that humanity is utterly fucked.

Not many people recall that the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; thing that Charlton Heston screams at the end is &lt;i&gt;&quot;The oceans are dying!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie remains thriller shlock, but it has become amazingly prescient thriller shlock.</p>
<p>Sol has a wonderful rant about the greenhouse effect early on. Later, he and his bookie friends read some Soylent Corporation research papers and realize that the marine ecosystems have collapsed and that humanity is utterly fucked.</p>
<p>Not many people recall that the <i>other</i> thing that Charlton Heston screams at the end is <i>&#8220;The oceans are dying!&#8221;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Infamous Brad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266109</link>
		<dc:creator>Infamous Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an attractive looking package. On the other hand, &lt;i&gt;Make Room, Make Room&lt;/i&gt; is my canonical example of the rare times that the movie is better than the book. It&#039;s really not his best work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an attractive looking package. On the other hand, <i>Make Room, Make Room</i> is my canonical example of the rare times that the movie is better than the book. It&#8217;s really not his best work.</p>
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		<title>By: tp1024</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266124</link>
		<dc:creator>tp1024</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a good novel (I haven&#039;t read it), but certainly out of date 30 years later. Back then, the predictions said that we&#039;d be something like 9 to 12 billion people today, well, we&#039;re about 7 billion and the numbers may level off at 9 billion sometime around 2050. Already Europe has fertility rates far below replacement level and in other parts of the world the trend only knows one direction - and that is down. The main increase these days is down to a certain inertia of population numbers caused increasing life expectancy. (people who had kids already still live, who would have died 20 years earlier, 50 years ago)

Get over it, the overpopulation scenario (on a global level) is about as realistic these days as Jules Verne&#039;s journey to the core of the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a good novel (I haven&#8217;t read it), but certainly out of date 30 years later. Back then, the predictions said that we&#8217;d be something like 9 to 12 billion people today, well, we&#8217;re about 7 billion and the numbers may level off at 9 billion sometime around 2050. Already Europe has fertility rates far below replacement level and in other parts of the world the trend only knows one direction &#8211; and that is down. The main increase these days is down to a certain inertia of population numbers caused increasing life expectancy. (people who had kids already still live, who would have died 20 years earlier, 50 years ago)</p>
<p>Get over it, the overpopulation scenario (on a global level) is about as realistic these days as Jules Verne&#8217;s journey to the core of the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: trr</title>
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		<dc:creator>trr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Infamous Brad,
How about &lt;i&gt;2001: A Space Odyssey&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
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How about <i>2001: A Space Odyssey</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: CaptainKabob</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266138</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptainKabob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@tp1024 I think the book is still relevant.  The main dystopian theme of the book (as I recall from reading it in my childhood), was that overpopulation had stressed earth&#039;s resources and thus earth&#039;s society.  If you replace overpopulation (back then) with environmental degradation (today), I think it is still quite relevant.

Example: There is a mention of farmers dynamiting the aqueducts to the city because it was taking water they needed.  Coming from southern California, I can believe in the relevancy of that scenario.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@tp1024 I think the book is still relevant.  The main dystopian theme of the book (as I recall from reading it in my childhood), was that overpopulation had stressed earth&#8217;s resources and thus earth&#8217;s society.  If you replace overpopulation (back then) with environmental degradation (today), I think it is still quite relevant.</p>
<p>Example: There is a mention of farmers dynamiting the aqueducts to the city because it was taking water they needed.  Coming from southern California, I can believe in the relevancy of that scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Atomische</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266141</link>
		<dc:creator>Atomische</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just finished reading it ... a great book and still a sobering cautionary tale 40 years later.

Even though the overpopulation scenario seems a bit exaggerated now some of the other things in the book, like rioting over scarcity of food and water, seem very plausible.

And I&#039;m so glad they didn&#039;t &quot;re-brand&quot; the book to be more like the movie in order to pump up sales. Or do the movie-remake and subsequent novelization trick mentioned by Chuck. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just finished reading it &#8230; a great book and still a sobering cautionary tale 40 years later.</p>
<p>Even though the overpopulation scenario seems a bit exaggerated now some of the other things in the book, like rioting over scarcity of food and water, seem very plausible.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m so glad they didn&#8217;t &#8220;re-brand&#8221; the book to be more like the movie in order to pump up sales. Or do the movie-remake and subsequent novelization trick mentioned by Chuck. </p>
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		<title>By: Cochituate</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266149</link>
		<dc:creator>Cochituate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  Imagine my surprise to see that ol&#039; Harry is still alive.  I read this book years ago, and remember the book was lightyears better then the damned movie.

I have fond memories of the &lt;i&gt;original&lt;/i&gt; &lt;b&gt;Bill The Galactic Hero&lt;/b&gt; (who knew there were so many sequels before I googled him), and &lt;b&gt;The Stainless Steel Rat&lt;/b&gt;, and &lt;b&gt;The Technicolor Time Machine&lt;/b&gt;, and &lt;b&gt;The Man from P.I.G.&lt;/b&gt;.  

Huh.  I hadn&#039;t thought of Harry in at least 25 years.  I wonder if he and Ted White are still feuding over the dead remains of Amazing Stories magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Imagine my surprise to see that ol&#8217; Harry is still alive.  I read this book years ago, and remember the book was lightyears better then the damned movie.</p>
<p>I have fond memories of the <i>original</i> <b>Bill The Galactic Hero</b> (who knew there were so many sequels before I googled him), and <b>The Stainless Steel Rat</b>, and <b>The Technicolor Time Machine</b>, and <b>The Man from P.I.G.</b>.  </p>
<p>Huh.  I hadn&#8217;t thought of Harry in at least 25 years.  I wonder if he and Ted White are still feuding over the dead remains of Amazing Stories magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soylent Green is pulped, remaindered and return Sci-Fi classics!

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		<title>By: nick courage</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266169</link>
		<dc:creator>nick courage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SPOILER:::::: the book soylent green is actually MUCH better than the movie - focuses on water crises &amp; the police state more than food shortages, and is much more relevant to contemporary sosh. I definitely recommend this book, specifically this beautiful edition!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SPOILER:::::: the book soylent green is actually MUCH better than the movie &#8211; focuses on water crises &#038; the police state more than food shortages, and is much more relevant to contemporary sosh. I definitely recommend this book, specifically this beautiful edition!</p>
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		<title>By: catbeller</title>
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		<dc:creator>catbeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The population bomb has not fizzled. Man is still growing in numbers. True, 1st world population growth slowed, but 3rd world has more than made up for the slowdown.

It&#039;s the difference between being hit by a train traveling one hundred miles an hour and another moving at fifty. No difference. You&#039;re just as dead. Just takes a little longer.

Overpopulation is the cause of almost all wars, the disaster in Africa, AIDS, deforestation, desertification, the death of animal species all over the world - esp. major fauna,  global warming, garbage mountains, dust bowls, amazing death tolls in monsoons, wage depression, the ascendancy of 19th century robber-baron capitalism in the 21st, food shortages, starvation, watershed depletion, floating garbage islands in the Pacific, dead zones off our shorelines, massive illegal immigration with all the attendant ills, increases in crime rates, the rise of militant Islam for the last thirty years (OP+poverty+religion=loonies in great numbers), the utter destitute poverty in Central and South American countries, poverty in the US - almost always connected with too many kids usually for social and religious reasons, annihilated school systems, crime culture, the overfishing of the oceans, the pollution death of phytoplankton, overdamming and straightening of rivers and the attendant flooding, the invasion of Iraq and Iran for the oil, Tibet&#039;s annihilation, let&#039;s see... too much, can never stop. All because we won&#039;t regulate our numbers. We are still growing; Islamic and Catholic culture will not ever allow birth control, so the die is cast. We&#039;re seeing a slight pause as the religious poor ramp up the baby factory into high gear. Their billions will increase the rate of population growth, and somehow it will be a &quot;surprise&quot; - one easily seen for the last century or more. Make more babies than dead people, and you grow. Have lots of babies, and you have a world of angry children and teenagers who will make war for any random reason. Put too many animals of whatever type - including us - into a box, and war always breaks out. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The population bomb has not fizzled. Man is still growing in numbers. True, 1st world population growth slowed, but 3rd world has more than made up for the slowdown.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the difference between being hit by a train traveling one hundred miles an hour and another moving at fifty. No difference. You&#8217;re just as dead. Just takes a little longer.</p>
<p>Overpopulation is the cause of almost all wars, the disaster in Africa, AIDS, deforestation, desertification, the death of animal species all over the world &#8211; esp. major fauna,  global warming, garbage mountains, dust bowls, amazing death tolls in monsoons, wage depression, the ascendancy of 19th century robber-baron capitalism in the 21st, food shortages, starvation, watershed depletion, floating garbage islands in the Pacific, dead zones off our shorelines, massive illegal immigration with all the attendant ills, increases in crime rates, the rise of militant Islam for the last thirty years (OP+poverty+religion=loonies in great numbers), the utter destitute poverty in Central and South American countries, poverty in the US &#8211; almost always connected with too many kids usually for social and religious reasons, annihilated school systems, crime culture, the overfishing of the oceans, the pollution death of phytoplankton, overdamming and straightening of rivers and the attendant flooding, the invasion of Iraq and Iran for the oil, Tibet&#8217;s annihilation, let&#8217;s see&#8230; too much, can never stop. All because we won&#8217;t regulate our numbers. We are still growing; Islamic and Catholic culture will not ever allow birth control, so the die is cast. We&#8217;re seeing a slight pause as the religious poor ramp up the baby factory into high gear. Their billions will increase the rate of population growth, and somehow it will be a &#8220;surprise&#8221; &#8211; one easily seen for the last century or more. Make more babies than dead people, and you grow. Have lots of babies, and you have a world of angry children and teenagers who will make war for any random reason. Put too many animals of whatever type &#8211; including us &#8211; into a box, and war always breaks out. </p>
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		<title>By: axlrosen</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing photo... Is it real? Anyone have any info on it, I&#039;d love a print!</description>
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		<title>By: nmcvaugh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/08/21/new-edition-of-make.html#comment-266186</link>
		<dc:creator>nmcvaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what happens after? You know, when all the people are gone? Wonder no longer, for David Macauley&#039;s Baaa answers those questions! Best described as Soylent Green for children, this book traces the downward spiral that sheep get into after the humans have finished eating.

http://www.amazon.com/Baaa-David-Macaulay/dp/0395395887/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1219413356&amp;sr=8-1

Pass the mint sauce!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what happens after? You know, when all the people are gone? Wonder no longer, for David Macauley&#8217;s Baaa answers those questions! Best described as Soylent Green for children, this book traces the downward spiral that sheep get into after the humans have finished eating.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Baaa-David-Macaulay/dp/0395395887/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1219413356&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Baaa-David-Macaulay/dp/0395395887/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1219413356&#038;sr=8-1</a></p>
<p>Pass the mint sauce!</p>
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		<title>By: palindromic</title>
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		<dc:creator>palindromic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like a close-up of New York.  Want a fun and informative way to really get to the bottom of overpopulation hysteria?  Load up google maps, switch to satellite-view, zoom in so you can see houses and roads just barely.  Now drag across the USA..  Just take a little moment to breathe in deep and make a mental record of populated areas vs empty, empty land.  Some people will try and tell you that &#039;people can&#039;t live there.&#039;  With the exception of Iowa, most of that land is not under cultivation.  It&#039;s good land.  Its empty.  So are the heads of people who think there&#039;s a &#039;population bomb&#039;.

 Okay maybe thats harsh.. lets just say their heads are filled with wild eyed ideas that just don&#039;t add up when you statistically look at landmass vs population.. capitalism in its 1st world incarnation (which almost invariably causes negative pop. growth).. and a plethora of other realities that some people choose to ignore, frantically clawing away at life for some doomsday scenario to wrap themselves in.</description>
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<p> Okay maybe thats harsh.. lets just say their heads are filled with wild eyed ideas that just don&#8217;t add up when you statistically look at landmass vs population.. capitalism in its 1st world incarnation (which almost invariably causes negative pop. growth).. and a plethora of other realities that some people choose to ignore, frantically clawing away at life for some doomsday scenario to wrap themselves in.</p>
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