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	<title>Comments on: Who Owns Ideas? CBC&#039;s Ideas radio documentary on&#160;copyright</title>
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		<title>By: Daemon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/09/who-owns-ideas-cbcs.html#comment-279059</link>
		<dc:creator>Daemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to current copyright laws, I own Ideas. I&#039;m also trademarking Thoughts and Feelings.</description>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/09/who-owns-ideas-cbcs.html#comment-279069</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://mises.org/story/1763&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How can anyone calculate&lt;/a&gt; a cost-benefit analysis of whether the losses incurred by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;free riders&lt;/a&gt; are greater than the losses due to the exclusion via &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-granted_monopoly&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;government-granted monopoly&lt;/a&gt; (i.e. so-called &quot;intellectual property&quot;)?

Once again, it&#039;s an economic question of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/BasEss1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What is Seen and What is Unseen&lt;/a&gt; by &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrÃ©dÃ©ric_Bastiat&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FrÃ©dÃ©ric Bastiat&lt;/a&gt;.  (i.e. the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;broken window fallacy&lt;/a&gt;)

Demand rational consequentialist justification for why the government should provide corporate welfare in the form of &quot;intellectual property&quot;.  If such justifications cannot be cogently given, then &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Movement_against_intellectual_property&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IP must be abolished&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://mises.org/story/1763" rel="nofollow">How can anyone calculate</a> a cost-benefit analysis of whether the losses incurred by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem" rel="nofollow">free riders</a> are greater than the losses due to the exclusion via <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-granted_monopoly" rel="nofollow">government-granted monopoly</a> (i.e. so-called &#8220;intellectual property&#8221;)?</p>
<p>Once again, it&#8217;s an economic question of <a href="http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/BasEss1.html" rel="nofollow">What is Seen and What is Unseen</a> by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrÃ©dÃ©ric_Bastiat" rel="nofollow">FrÃ©dÃ©ric Bastiat</a>.  (i.e. the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window" rel="nofollow">broken window fallacy</a>)</p>
<p>Demand rational consequentialist justification for why the government should provide corporate welfare in the form of &#8220;intellectual property&#8221;.  If such justifications cannot be cogently given, then <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Movement_against_intellectual_property" rel="nofollow">IP must be abolished</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/09/who-owns-ideas-cbcs.html#comment-279078</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll tell you what IP does, it holds back the world. It&#039;s used like a big fat ball and chain by the controlling power elite. Geez, before I know it I&#039;m going to be some sort of Siglaritian-Maxist. I blame BoingBoing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what IP does, it holds back the world. It&#8217;s used like a big fat ball and chain by the controlling power elite. Geez, before I know it I&#8217;m going to be some sort of Siglaritian-Maxist. I blame BoingBoing. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/09/who-owns-ideas-cbcs.html#comment-279089</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigularitarian-Marxist, that is. Ah, and I&#039;ll still blame BoingBoing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigularitarian-Marxist, that is. Ah, and I&#8217;ll still blame BoingBoing.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy66</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus, Jeff, show some respect: use your spell check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus, Jeff, show some respect: use your spell check.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy66</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/09/who-owns-ideas-cbcs.html#comment-279170</link>
		<dc:creator>buddy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try again.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerril</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/09/who-owns-ideas-cbcs.html#comment-279172</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@4/5: &quot;Sigularitarian&quot;

Singularitarian, perhaps? :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@4/5: &#8220;Sigularitarian&#8221;</p>
<p>Singularitarian, perhaps? :D</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
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		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sigularitarian-Marxist&lt;/blockquote&gt;The irony is that submitting paperwork to the government (USPTO) for a monopoly on production using a particular design or set of information is probably one the most Marxist-Communist activities an enterprise can engage in.

Yet, talk about instead allowing everyone &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_entry&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;free entry&lt;/a&gt; into exercising their capital competitively without government interference of &quot;copyright&quot; and &quot;patent&quot;, and the pro-IP crowd can&#039;t label you a &quot;pinko commie&quot; fast enough.

People who favor &quot;intellectual property&quot; law seem to completely fail to grasp the issues of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivalry_(economics)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rivalry&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excludability&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;excludability&lt;/a&gt; in property law.

The explanation for why we &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; property in the first place, is because of the problems of rivalry and excludability in a material universe.  If we all had &lt;i&gt;Star Trek&lt;/i&gt; style &lt;a href=&quot;http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Replicator&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;replicators&lt;/a&gt;, we wouldn&#039;t really &lt;i&gt;need&lt;/i&gt; property law.  (Except for land/space, and perhaps our bodies as a matter of privacy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sigularitarian-Marxist</p></blockquote>
<p>The irony is that submitting paperwork to the government (USPTO) for a monopoly on production using a particular design or set of information is probably one the most Marxist-Communist activities an enterprise can engage in.</p>
<p>Yet, talk about instead allowing everyone <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_entry" rel="nofollow">free entry</a> into exercising their capital competitively without government interference of &#8220;copyright&#8221; and &#8220;patent&#8221;, and the pro-IP crowd can&#8217;t label you a &#8220;pinko commie&#8221; fast enough.</p>
<p>People who favor &#8220;intellectual property&#8221; law seem to completely fail to grasp the issues of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivalry_(economics)" rel="nofollow">rivalry</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excludability" rel="nofollow">excludability</a> in property law.</p>
<p>The explanation for why we <i>have</i> property in the first place, is because of the problems of rivalry and excludability in a material universe.  If we all had <i>Star Trek</i> style <a href="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Replicator" rel="nofollow">replicators</a>, we wouldn&#8217;t really <i>need</i> property law.  (Except for land/space, and perhaps our bodies as a matter of privacy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Epicanis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Epicanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What?  No &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vorbis.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ogg/Vorbis&lt;/a&gt; version?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(CBC&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Quirks and Quarks&quot;&lt;/a&gt; offers Ogg/Vorbis versions of the shows for download...)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  No <a href="http://www.vorbis.com" rel="nofollow">Ogg/Vorbis</a> version?</p>
<p>(CBC&#8217;s <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Quirks and Quarks&#8221;</a> offers Ogg/Vorbis versions of the shows for download&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Neener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the people who confused Patents, trademarks and copyright above... what can anyone say to you about this issue?

and Zuzu... you REALLY REALLY have no idea what Marxism is... your comment is so very... reversing accepted definitions of free trade, Marxism and Communism.

Excludability and Rivalry are, at best, of minor importance in economics and business.  Trying to make minor concepts important is going to seem really strange to the lawyers and MBAs who have structured the law to reflect things that are important vs unimportant.

Property law starts and started first with real estate, so your property law comment is truly truly bizarre because it&#039;s not that real estate property law is an afterthought, it&#039;s the primary thought.

So let&#039;s start with a bunch of people using incorrect definitions trying to argue that their completely misinformed way is better than the US Law.  Wow!  No wonder copyfight is losing steam so quickly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the people who confused Patents, trademarks and copyright above&#8230; what can anyone say to you about this issue?</p>
<p>and Zuzu&#8230; you REALLY REALLY have no idea what Marxism is&#8230; your comment is so very&#8230; reversing accepted definitions of free trade, Marxism and Communism.</p>
<p>Excludability and Rivalry are, at best, of minor importance in economics and business.  Trying to make minor concepts important is going to seem really strange to the lawyers and MBAs who have structured the law to reflect things that are important vs unimportant.</p>
<p>Property law starts and started first with real estate, so your property law comment is truly truly bizarre because it&#8217;s not that real estate property law is an afterthought, it&#8217;s the primary thought.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s start with a bunch of people using incorrect definitions trying to argue that their completely misinformed way is better than the US Law.  Wow!  No wonder copyfight is losing steam so quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Neener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s talk about excludability for one second.  Excludability refers only to consumers and not producers.  In the example of people filesharing songs to other people, in economic terms they cease to be merely consumers of the goods, but distributors of the goods.  They have every legal right to consume the goods, but no legal right to distribute the goods.  Get it?  No one&#039;s going to get in trouble for listening to music free on a band&#039;s myspace page, but they will get in trouble for distributing the mp3s via filesharing.

So... what you end up with in filesharing is easily defined as the Free Rider problem.  And this goes back to high school economics here folks, this is not advanced thinking.  The Free Rider issue is a much bigger deal in econ than excludability.  When it comes to file sharing, the people enjoying music without paying for it are free riders.  Increase the population of free riders and you reach a Pareto Inefficiency.  Be inefficient long enough and producers back out of the market, bands refuse to tour and everyone gets a day job.

That&#039;s free market economics folks, keep going down the road to Pareto Inefficiency and the music business will collapse faster than the poetry business and no one will have interest in entering that market and we&#039;ll be listening to music from the 1960s for the rest of our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s talk about excludability for one second.  Excludability refers only to consumers and not producers.  In the example of people filesharing songs to other people, in economic terms they cease to be merely consumers of the goods, but distributors of the goods.  They have every legal right to consume the goods, but no legal right to distribute the goods.  Get it?  No one&#8217;s going to get in trouble for listening to music free on a band&#8217;s myspace page, but they will get in trouble for distributing the mp3s via filesharing.</p>
<p>So&#8230; what you end up with in filesharing is easily defined as the Free Rider problem.  And this goes back to high school economics here folks, this is not advanced thinking.  The Free Rider issue is a much bigger deal in econ than excludability.  When it comes to file sharing, the people enjoying music without paying for it are free riders.  Increase the population of free riders and you reach a Pareto Inefficiency.  Be inefficient long enough and producers back out of the market, bands refuse to tour and everyone gets a day job.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s free market economics folks, keep going down the road to Pareto Inefficiency and the music business will collapse faster than the poetry business and no one will have interest in entering that market and we&#8217;ll be listening to music from the 1960s for the rest of our lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Church</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/09/who-owns-ideas-cbcs.html#comment-279035</link>
		<dc:creator>Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ts nt n Tns yt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ts nt n Tns yt.</p>
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