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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-283136</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calabanos,

You just created an imaginary scenario to allow you to blame the child. Please promise me that you won&#039;t breed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calabanos,</p>
<p>You just created an imaginary scenario to allow you to blame the child. Please promise me that you won&#8217;t breed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Grimm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282626</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Grimm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something about terrorists...and winning. Have we (America) been doing stupid stuff like this since before 9/11? I was in high school at the time, I&#039;ve grown up with the aftermath, so I wouldn&#039;t know if this mass-idiocy was rampant beforehand or if it really is a complete over-reaction to fears of violence and terrorism around every bend.  Can people un-learn being afraid and reactionary to everything and everybody?

A fully sharpened pencil is more dangerous than the little razor blade in a sharpener. Why didn&#039;t they suspend every single child with a pencil that was &#039;too sharp for the safety of other children?&#039; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something about terrorists&#8230;and winning. Have we (America) been doing stupid stuff like this since before 9/11? I was in high school at the time, I&#8217;ve grown up with the aftermath, so I wouldn&#8217;t know if this mass-idiocy was rampant beforehand or if it really is a complete over-reaction to fears of violence and terrorism around every bend.  Can people un-learn being afraid and reactionary to everything and everybody?</p>
<p>A fully sharpened pencil is more dangerous than the little razor blade in a sharpener. Why didn&#8217;t they suspend every single child with a pencil that was &#8216;too sharp for the safety of other children?&#8217; </p>
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		<title>By: OM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-283138</link>
		<dc:creator>OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;Since she didn&#039;t, It is likely the student has done other things to give her concern.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

...That&#039;s right. The teacher is *never* wrong, especially when he/she/it *IS* clearly wrong. Can&#039;t have their authority undermined, can we? Otherwise we might find out all their other flaws, like not knowing half of what their lesson plans mean, or having that bottle of MD 20/20 in their top drawer underneat the grade book.

[dripping_sarcasm_mode=OFF]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Since she didn&#8217;t, It is likely the student has done other things to give her concern.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>&#8230;That&#8217;s right. The teacher is *never* wrong, especially when he/she/it *IS* clearly wrong. Can&#8217;t have their authority undermined, can we? Otherwise we might find out all their other flaws, like not knowing half of what their lesson plans mean, or having that bottle of MD 20/20 in their top drawer underneat the grade book.</p>
<p>[dripping_sarcasm_mode=OFF]</p>
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		<title>By: TEKNA2007</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282371</link>
		<dc:creator>TEKNA2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You don&#039;t do evil shit just because somebody orders you to. Do I need to violate Godwin&#039;s Law?&lt;/i&gt;

Second that.  Was just thinking about jumping the Godwin shark as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You don&#8217;t do evil shit just because somebody orders you to. Do I need to violate Godwin&#8217;s Law?</i></p>
<p>Second that.  Was just thinking about jumping the Godwin shark as well.</p>
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		<title>By: eustace</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282627</link>
		<dc:creator>eustace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is nothing reasonable about the way the teacher or the principle acted.  A reasonable teacher would have complimented the kid on his frugality and given him a new sharpener.  A reasonable principle, confronted by the actual teacher, would have asked the teacher to wait outside, would have complimented the kid etc. then dealt with the loopy teacher.  And by far the most frightening aspect of the entire story is found, for me, in the many comments here by people who honestly think the right thing was done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is nothing reasonable about the way the teacher or the principle acted.  A reasonable teacher would have complimented the kid on his frugality and given him a new sharpener.  A reasonable principle, confronted by the actual teacher, would have asked the teacher to wait outside, would have complimented the kid etc. then dealt with the loopy teacher.  And by far the most frightening aspect of the entire story is found, for me, in the many comments here by people who honestly think the right thing was done.</p>
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		<title>By: mccrum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282372</link>
		<dc:creator>mccrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tim, what are you sharpening your pencil with?  Is that just the metal blade?  That&#039;s really dangerous, you really should have asked me and I can easily let you use the one we have here in class.  Were you going to hurt anyone with this?  No?  Okay, well, I&#039;ll just take this and throw it out.  Please don&#039;t do this again.&quot;

This is what should have been said.  The kid knows he screwed up.  The worst part is that the teacher would have been fired if she had done this.  [GWBush voice]Sometimes you&#039;ve got to let the generals in the field make the decisions and not Monday morning quarterback them.[/GWBush voice]

Now this kid has got a rap sheet, which is totally going in his permanent file.  And we all know there&#039;s nothing worse than the permanent file.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tim, what are you sharpening your pencil with?  Is that just the metal blade?  That&#8217;s really dangerous, you really should have asked me and I can easily let you use the one we have here in class.  Were you going to hurt anyone with this?  No?  Okay, well, I&#8217;ll just take this and throw it out.  Please don&#8217;t do this again.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what should have been said.  The kid knows he screwed up.  The worst part is that the teacher would have been fired if she had done this.  [GWBush voice]Sometimes you&#8217;ve got to let the generals in the field make the decisions and not Monday morning quarterback them.[/GWBush voice]</p>
<p>Now this kid has got a rap sheet, which is totally going in his permanent file.  And we all know there&#8217;s nothing worse than the permanent file.</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Leber</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282375</link>
		<dc:creator>Maggie Leber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try, hoping to make this about a terrorism phobia. 

But it is in fact a result of a &quot;zero-tolerance weapons policy&quot; such as are so beloved by hoplophobes the world over. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try, hoping to make this about a terrorism phobia. </p>
<p>But it is in fact a result of a &#8220;zero-tolerance weapons policy&#8221; such as are so beloved by hoplophobes the world over. </p>
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		<title>By: Blackbird</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282887</link>
		<dc:creator>Blackbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think most people think it&#039;s okay.  In fact, I believe most people don&#039;t even know about things like this.  Or how pervasive it is. 

If more people knew about this kind of outrage and actually did something about it, I think it has a chance of getting better.  I think that most people who actually do know about things like this don&#039;t do anything for a number of reasons.  First of all, just not caring.  Thinking it&#039;s just an isolated incident, there are other things more important, it can still stop an actual threat...  Then there are the people who fear what a change may do: cause reprisals against them or their children, have an incident that &#039;may&#039; have been stopped by a policy like this happen...  
Thirdly...is the same as the first...not caring.  This is a little blip on the radar.  Yes, it&#039;s stupid and demeaning to the child (and our intelligence).  Besides, tomorrow there will be something else that will outrage us, and we&#039;ll do the same thing.  That being nothing.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think most people think it&#8217;s okay.  In fact, I believe most people don&#8217;t even know about things like this.  Or how pervasive it is. </p>
<p>If more people knew about this kind of outrage and actually did something about it, I think it has a chance of getting better.  I think that most people who actually do know about things like this don&#8217;t do anything for a number of reasons.  First of all, just not caring.  Thinking it&#8217;s just an isolated incident, there are other things more important, it can still stop an actual threat&#8230;  Then there are the people who fear what a change may do: cause reprisals against them or their children, have an incident that &#8216;may&#8217; have been stopped by a policy like this happen&#8230;<br />
Thirdly&#8230;is the same as the first&#8230;not caring.  This is a little blip on the radar.  Yes, it&#8217;s stupid and demeaning to the child (and our intelligence).  Besides, tomorrow there will be something else that will outrage us, and we&#8217;ll do the same thing.  That being nothing.  </p>
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		<title>By: Yreka</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282376</link>
		<dc:creator>Yreka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20: Yeah. That&#039;s how the teachers should respond in a situation like that. At most, throwing it into the trash would be justifiable as so that that student did not injure himself in the process of sharpening a pencil. 

This whole thing just is way too big. Why suspend a students who brought something which could be considered a &quot;weapon&quot; with no obvious intent to use it for anything other than a mundane task?

Gah.
I don&#039;t get the idiocy of a lot of the adults out there. 
[/Junior in high school]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20: Yeah. That&#8217;s how the teachers should respond in a situation like that. At most, throwing it into the trash would be justifiable as so that that student did not injure himself in the process of sharpening a pencil. </p>
<p>This whole thing just is way too big. Why suspend a students who brought something which could be considered a &#8220;weapon&#8221; with no obvious intent to use it for anything other than a mundane task?</p>
<p>Gah.<br />
I don&#8217;t get the idiocy of a lot of the adults out there.<br />
[/Junior in high school]</p>
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		<title>By: mikerbaker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282378</link>
		<dc:creator>mikerbaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Zero tolerance&quot; equals zero common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Zero tolerance&#8221; equals zero common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: sgxlimited</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282637</link>
		<dc:creator>sgxlimited</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sooo....what can we do to get these morons fired? or create enough internet buzz to get them to resign out of shame...if they are capable of shame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sooo&#8230;.what can we do to get these morons fired? or create enough internet buzz to get them to resign out of shame&#8230;if they are capable of shame?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282638</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What no Taser was deployed?

That Teacher should get a medal for successfully disarming a Weaponized 4th grader!

God Bless America! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What no Taser was deployed?</p>
<p>That Teacher should get a medal for successfully disarming a Weaponized 4th grader!</p>
<p>God Bless America! </p>
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		<title>By: WalterBillington</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282383</link>
		<dc:creator>WalterBillington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t read all.

What about the homicidal kid who keeps his sharpener intact, knowing with a turn of the screw he can do away with his love-rival in a gory sharpener assault?  Swiftly to the jugular.  Or with a compass.  Aren&#039;t there 1,000 ways to use a ruler to incapacitate?  How about poking out an eye?

Poor kid is right.  Napalm the buttnut who pursued this, and all their evil henchpeople who bothered to type it up.

Welcome to the 21st century - with these treatments, the next generation can be relied on to be less capable than the last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t read all.</p>
<p>What about the homicidal kid who keeps his sharpener intact, knowing with a turn of the screw he can do away with his love-rival in a gory sharpener assault?  Swiftly to the jugular.  Or with a compass.  Aren&#8217;t there 1,000 ways to use a ruler to incapacitate?  How about poking out an eye?</p>
<p>Poor kid is right.  Napalm the buttnut who pursued this, and all their evil henchpeople who bothered to type it up.</p>
<p>Welcome to the 21st century &#8211; with these treatments, the next generation can be relied on to be less capable than the last.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweeker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282640</link>
		<dc:creator>Tweeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are being trained to be helpless, not to mention more concerned about the arbitrary letter rather than the spirit of the law.  Cant have people learning by dear experience with tiny razors, we will coddle them right up to when they are hurtling along in 2 tons of glass and steel.  

Look how far we have come.  50 years ago kids could bring rifles to many a rural school and it was no big whoop, now the police are called for a pencil sharpener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are being trained to be helpless, not to mention more concerned about the arbitrary letter rather than the spirit of the law.  Cant have people learning by dear experience with tiny razors, we will coddle them right up to when they are hurtling along in 2 tons of glass and steel.  </p>
<p>Look how far we have come.  50 years ago kids could bring rifles to many a rural school and it was no big whoop, now the police are called for a pencil sharpener.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Frauenfelder</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282386</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Frauenfelder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HuronBob@8: &quot;It looks like it was handled as best as it could be given the situation.&quot;

You have a bright future as people with your perspicacity are in high demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HuronBob@8: &#8220;It looks like it was handled as best as it could be given the situation.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have a bright future as people with your perspicacity are in high demand.</p>
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		<title>By: OM</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282900</link>
		<dc:creator>OM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...Hey kids, someone complained that we&#039;ve made too many posts on this thread, and need to go post on other ones. Everyone go find another thread to post on so this guy can get his panties unwa...

No, wait. That guy was a troll. Screw&#039;im.

&lt;I&gt;We now return you to your reguarly scheduled thread on a kid getting abused by corrupt and inept teachers for using a broken pencil sharpener to sharpen a pencil, already in progress....&lt;/i&gt;
</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Hey kids, someone complained that we&#8217;ve made too many posts on this thread, and need to go post on other ones. Everyone go find another thread to post on so this guy can get his panties unwa&#8230;</p>
<p>No, wait. That guy was a troll. Screw&#8217;im.</p>
<p><i>We now return you to your reguarly scheduled thread on a kid getting abused by corrupt and inept teachers for using a broken pencil sharpener to sharpen a pencil, already in progress&#8230;.</i></p>
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		<title>By: porkchop</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282389</link>
		<dc:creator>porkchop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Suspect also had a piece of pencil which was about 1&quot; in length, which appeared to have been recently sharpened.&quot;

I commend the kid for his frugality. He was using that pencil till he couldn&#039;t anymore, and using that sharpener&#039;s blade even though the plastic was gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Suspect also had a piece of pencil which was about 1&#8243; in length, which appeared to have been recently sharpened.&#8221;</p>
<p>I commend the kid for his frugality. He was using that pencil till he couldn&#8217;t anymore, and using that sharpener&#8217;s blade even though the plastic was gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-330006</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm. interesting....i live in NZ and over here we get PROVIDED with razor blades in our biology class.....o and scalpels....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm. interesting&#8230;.i live in NZ and over here we get PROVIDED with razor blades in our biology class&#8230;..o and scalpels&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mellowknees</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282391</link>
		<dc:creator>mellowknees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is so completely stupid, that I feel I am obligated to curse:

FOR THE LOVE OF BENJI, WHAT A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME AND RESOURCES!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is so completely stupid, that I feel I am obligated to curse:</p>
<p>FOR THE LOVE OF BENJI, WHAT A FUCKING WASTE OF TIME AND RESOURCES!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282647</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but I think involving the police was a little excessive.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Think?&lt;/i&gt;

There is a checklist,

calling the police was on the checklist, 

suspending him was on the checklist, 

asking his mother if she wanted to claim &quot;the weapon:&quot; was on the checklist, 

... What nobody seems to realize is that in the aggregate, humiliating the little boy was on that list too. Capital &lt;b&gt;S&lt;/b&gt; Suspect. 

Who did any thinking? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but I think involving the police was a little excessive.</i></p>
<p><b>Think?</p>
<p>There is a checklist,</p>
<p>calling the police was on the checklist, </p>
<p>suspending him was on the checklist, </p>
<p>asking his mother if she wanted to claim &#8220;the weapon:&#8221; was on the checklist, </p>
<p>&#8230; What nobody seems to realize is that in the aggregate, humiliating the little boy was on that list too. Capital </b><b>S</b> Suspect. </p>
<p>Who did any thinking? </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Badger</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282392</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Badger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;My son is a 9-year-old fourth grader, and a good student, and if he were to save the sharp bit from his pencil sharpener in order to be prepared for dull pencils, I would congratulate him. If you were adult humans, you would do the same. &lt;/em&gt;

No. Adults have been trained that the answer to a broken item is not to fix it, or use it as it is, but to *buy a new one*. Maybe even a fancier one. Maybe Steve Jobs has announced the iSharpener and that&#039;s what they&#039;ll buy because regular sharpeners are no longer cool.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>My son is a 9-year-old fourth grader, and a good student, and if he were to save the sharp bit from his pencil sharpener in order to be prepared for dull pencils, I would congratulate him. If you were adult humans, you would do the same. </em></p>
<p>No. Adults have been trained that the answer to a broken item is not to fix it, or use it as it is, but to *buy a new one*. Maybe even a fancier one. Maybe Steve Jobs has announced the iSharpener and that&#8217;s what they&#8217;ll buy because regular sharpeners are no longer cool.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-284184</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I now broaden my original challenge to include all: please do go volunteer at a public high school before reporting on the ridiculousness of these policies. While it won&#039;t take away all the stupidity of over-zealous policy, I all but guarantee you will understand why they are in place.  


This is not a guarantee.

There are likely high schools that operate differently than the ones in my experience, but mine had pretty intense populations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I now broaden my original challenge to include all: please do go volunteer at a public high school before reporting on the ridiculousness of these policies. While it won&#8217;t take away all the stupidity of over-zealous policy, I all but guarantee you will understand why they are in place.  </p>
<p>This is not a guarantee.</p>
<p>There are likely high schools that operate differently than the ones in my experience, but mine had pretty intense populations.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282393</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Zero tolerance&quot; equals zero common sense.&lt;/i&gt;

Zero Tolerance violates many of the underlying principles of our legal system:

- It presumes guilt.
- It strips intent out of the equation.
- There&#039;s no requirement to demonstrate damages.

It&#039;s awfully close to thoughtcrime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Zero tolerance&#8221; equals zero common sense.</i></p>
<p>Zero Tolerance violates many of the underlying principles of our legal system:</p>
<p>- It presumes guilt.<br />
- It strips intent out of the equation.<br />
- There&#8217;s no requirement to demonstrate damages.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s awfully close to thoughtcrime.</p>
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		<title>By: dsmalle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-283162</link>
		<dc:creator>dsmalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here in Europe this seems all very far-fetched. I have a couple of questions...:
- since these zero-tolerance laws are in place, is crime rate significantly down?
- are fourth graders permitted to eat with fork and knife in the presence of other children?
- and countless others...

One thing is sure: if I involved police here for this kind of incident, I&#039;d probably be arrested for contempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in Europe this seems all very far-fetched. I have a couple of questions&#8230;:<br />
- since these zero-tolerance laws are in place, is crime rate significantly down?<br />
- are fourth graders permitted to eat with fork and knife in the presence of other children?<br />
- and countless others&#8230;</p>
<p>One thing is sure: if I involved police here for this kind of incident, I&#8217;d probably be arrested for contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: LightningCrash</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282395</link>
		<dc:creator>LightningCrash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Censoring #8 is a little bit over the top, guys.</description>
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		<title>By: theantimike</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282653</link>
		<dc:creator>theantimike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1971,10th grade,  some friends and I cut a mandatory assembly and partied in a van in the parking lot where we got busted by the vice principal.  I was caught with a hunting knife w/12 inch blade. Why did I have it?  To impress my friends.  Why else? There was no evil intention.  It wasn&#039;t too smart to take it to school, but the police were never called and I was never suspended.  I never saw the knife again. I had to stay after school and do some chores for the VP.  Learned my lesson.  The people that run our schools today are pathetic. It is not a crime for a kid to be a kid. Guidance does not require the police moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1971,10th grade,  some friends and I cut a mandatory assembly and partied in a van in the parking lot where we got busted by the vice principal.  I was caught with a hunting knife w/12 inch blade. Why did I have it?  To impress my friends.  Why else? There was no evil intention.  It wasn&#8217;t too smart to take it to school, but the police were never called and I was never suspended.  I never saw the knife again. I had to stay after school and do some chores for the VP.  Learned my lesson.  The people that run our schools today are pathetic. It is not a crime for a kid to be a kid. Guidance does not require the police moron.</p>
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		<title>By: FoetusNail</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282398</link>
		<dc:creator>FoetusNail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In our elementary school they distributed single edged razor blades for drafting class. I just used my knife, can&#039;t remember not having a pocket knife. Though they have some cool tech toys nowadays, a kids life sucks in so many ways. I can&#039;t imagine growing up with this totalitarian zero-tolerance BS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In our elementary school they distributed single edged razor blades for drafting class. I just used my knife, can&#8217;t remember not having a pocket knife. Though they have some cool tech toys nowadays, a kids life sucks in so many ways. I can&#8217;t imagine growing up with this totalitarian zero-tolerance BS.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282399</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: xopl</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282655</link>
		<dc:creator>xopl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Suspect also had a piece of pencil which was about 1&quot; in length, which appeared to have been recently sharpened.&quot;

I don&#039;t know whether to laugh or cry.

Take the naked blade from the kid so he doesn&#039;t cut his damn fingers off, but suspension was not appropriate and bringing in the cops was lunacy.

Parents should learn to tell school districts to go fuck themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Suspect also had a piece of pencil which was about 1&#8243; in length, which appeared to have been recently sharpened.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether to laugh or cry.</p>
<p>Take the naked blade from the kid so he doesn&#8217;t cut his damn fingers off, but suspension was not appropriate and bringing in the cops was lunacy.</p>
<p>Parents should learn to tell school districts to go fuck themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Abell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/09/12/fourth-grader-suspen.html#comment-282402</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Abell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am generally against &quot;zero tolerance&quot; rules.  But this isn&#039;t a case of some kid bringing an advil to school for a headache and getting nabbed for a no drugs rule.  It&#039;s a blade -- not something else stupid like a drawing of a blade -- he could hurt himself or somebody else with it, especially since we don&#039;t let kids hurt themselves anymore to learn what&#039;s dangerous and not.  So do you let this kid go, and then if some other kid, a &quot;problem child,&quot; has one of these things do you let him go too?  Or do you risk being accused of discriminating against the problem child for whatever reason because he was punished and the good kid wasn&#039;t?  I&#039;d like to know at what point do some of you think we go ahead and suspend the kid?  How big would a blade have to be?

Seriously, is it that radical an idea to have a rule for kids in school that says &quot;x is not allowed&quot; and expect it to be followed?  Do you not think a school should be able to protect itself from potential negligence lawsuits by having a formal process to enforce safety rules and following it?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am generally against &#8220;zero tolerance&#8221; rules.  But this isn&#8217;t a case of some kid bringing an advil to school for a headache and getting nabbed for a no drugs rule.  It&#8217;s a blade &#8212; not something else stupid like a drawing of a blade &#8212; he could hurt himself or somebody else with it, especially since we don&#8217;t let kids hurt themselves anymore to learn what&#8217;s dangerous and not.  So do you let this kid go, and then if some other kid, a &#8220;problem child,&#8221; has one of these things do you let him go too?  Or do you risk being accused of discriminating against the problem child for whatever reason because he was punished and the good kid wasn&#8217;t?  I&#8217;d like to know at what point do some of you think we go ahead and suspend the kid?  How big would a blade have to be?</p>
<p>Seriously, is it that radical an idea to have a rule for kids in school that says &#8220;x is not allowed&#8221; and expect it to be followed?  Do you not think a school should be able to protect itself from potential negligence lawsuits by having a formal process to enforce safety rules and following it?</p>
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