Comments on: Marble floor made from salami http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 25 May 2013 18:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: travelina http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-285451 travelina Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-285451 Dear Teresa, thank you for your wise and calm influence here, and I'm glad you're feeling well enough to blog again. Dear Teresa, thank you for your wise and calm influence here, and I’m glad you’re feeling well enough to blog again.

]]> By: MarlboroTestMonkey7 http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284700 MarlboroTestMonkey7 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284700 What a waste... why couldn't the artist use printed materials? But then again, perhaps offence is an art, subjetive. What a waste… why couldn’t the artist use printed materials? But then again, perhaps offence is an art, subjetive.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284459 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284459 Perhaps "cold cuts" would be a better term to use to describe the choice of meats than "salami." I definitely see mortadella in there, as well as other cold cuts that are not salami. Perhaps “cold cuts” would be a better term to use to describe the choice of meats than “salami.” I definitely see mortadella in there, as well as other cold cuts that are not salami.

]]> By: Jake0748 http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284472 Jake0748 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284472 Who knew? Marble... Salami... same thing!! The world never ceases to amaze me. Who knew? Marble… Salami… same thing!!

The world never ceases to amaze me.

]]> By: Santa's Knee http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284736 Santa's Knee Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284736 @Marisa829: I would have concurred with your level of vehemence concerning the project if he had used bacon in such a manner. But no animals died for this art - they just ended up there. @Marisa829: I would have concurred with your level of vehemence concerning the project if he had used bacon in such a manner.

But no animals died for this art – they just ended up there.

]]> By: fg http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284484 fg Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284484 It's chorizo, mortadella and salami IMHO. I would think this funny if we were living in a Culture Orbital or something, not in a planet where people still starve. It’s chorizo, mortadella and salami IMHO. I would think this funny if we were living in a Culture Orbital or something, not in a planet where people still starve.

]]> By: FLG http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284485 FLG Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284485 Flooring has never tasted so good! Flooring has never tasted so good!

]]> By: Jake0748 http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284488 Jake0748 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284488 @FG - Point taken, but its art. No one would have been saved by sending these slices to some place where people are starving. How do you figure chorizo anyway? @FG – Point taken, but its art. No one would have been saved by sending these slices to some place where people are starving.

How do you figure chorizo anyway?

]]> By: Uncle_Max http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-285513 Uncle_Max Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-285513 @Marisa829: Apparently, like you, I was working off of a poor assumption (your assumption that the artist used real meat, and my assumption that you were a fellow average American who would be guilty of at least one of the three things I mentioned). I'm glad you go to the trouble of reducing your personal effect on the environment which is what most of my points focused on. However, all of the cruelty-free and fair trade products in the world won't help the starving third world children that you mentioned. Both are important goals, and neither is argued for often enough. I still say this is not a target that needs attacking, because even if that were all real meat, it's far less than is wasted by the local restaurants in any small town at the end of the night. And this way, as art, it provides something more to humanity than filling up space in a dumpster out back. If we're going to go after wastefulness, most sports, entertainment industries, and tourism industries would be my targets, rather than an isolated artist. @Marisa829: Apparently, like you, I was working off of a poor assumption (your assumption that the artist used real meat, and my assumption that you were a fellow average American who would be guilty of at least one of the three things I mentioned). I’m glad you go to the trouble of reducing your personal effect on the environment which is what most of my points focused on. However, all of the cruelty-free and fair trade products in the world won’t help the starving third world children that you mentioned. Both are important goals, and neither is argued for often enough.

I still say this is not a target that needs attacking, because even if that were all real meat, it’s far less than is wasted by the local restaurants in any small town at the end of the night. And this way, as art, it provides something more to humanity than filling up space in a dumpster out back.

If we’re going to go after wastefulness, most sports, entertainment industries, and tourism industries would be my targets, rather than an isolated artist.

]]> By: Biscuit4 http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284755 Biscuit4 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284755 ya'll are reading to much into this. It's freakin cold cuts for crying out loud. and it's cool. (cold cuts/cool) quit the vegan talk. Meat tastes goood. Pass me the mustard. ya’ll are reading to much into this. It’s freakin cold cuts for crying out loud. and it’s cool. (cold cuts/cool) quit the vegan talk. Meat tastes goood. Pass me the mustard.

]]> By: momfert http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-285013 momfert Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-285013 aren't these traditional islamic patterns? made with pork? intentionally? aren’t these traditional islamic patterns?
made with pork?

intentionally?

]]> By: Chan Lee Meng http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284502 Chan Lee Meng Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284502 Gives new meaning to the term "marbled meat". LOL Gives new meaning to the term “marbled meat”.

LOL

]]> By: insomma http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284505 insomma Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284505 Salami, mortadella and... bresaola? Salami, mortadella and… bresaola?

]]> By: fg http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284515 fg Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284515 Bresaola has less "white" in it. That looks a lot like the cheap chorizo you can buy in slices in any Spanish supermarket. Bresaola has less “white” in it. That looks a lot like the cheap chorizo you can buy in slices in any Spanish supermarket.

]]> By: Roadkillkid http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284516 Roadkillkid Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284516 The folks at Neatorama reckon that its only printer pictures of salami, rather than actual meat, which make up the floor. http://www.neatorama.com/2008/09/15/wim-delvoye-worlds-most-badass-artist/ I couldn't confirm it anywhere else so who knows if its real or not. The folks at Neatorama reckon that its only printer pictures of salami, rather than actual meat, which make up the floor.

http://www.neatorama.com/2008/09/15/wim-delvoye-worlds-most-badass-artist/

I couldn’t confirm it anywhere else so who knows if its real or not.

]]> By: bjacques http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284523 bjacques Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284523 Seems unlikely to be fake. I remember the digestion machine but I'd forgotten who'd done it. Why not ask the artist? If it's real, ask whether it's past its sell-by date or otherwise not available for human consumption. Seems unlikely to be fake. I remember the digestion machine but I’d forgotten who’d done it. Why not ask the artist? If it’s real, ask whether it’s past its sell-by date or otherwise not available for human consumption.

]]> By: fsck http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284527 fsck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284527 @ROADKILLKID: I'm going to eat it anyway. Yum... @ROADKILLKID: I’m going to eat it anyway. Yum…

]]> By: Marisa829 http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284785 Marisa829 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284785 hp y'r tsty t, bsct4. mght njy y wth lttl mstrd, wh knws? hp y’r tsty t, bsct4. mght njy y wth lttl mstrd, wh knws?

]]> By: Uncle_Max http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284789 Uncle_Max Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284789 @Marisa829: Go back up and look at Cicada's comment. EVERYTHING that doesn't directly go to helping people is wasteful. How much money do you spend on coffee that isn't necessary? How much could you save by riding bikes everywhere? How much do you spend on new clothing when the old clothing is perfectly servicable? Everything we do on a daily basis is pretty wasteful, so I don't see why everybody lashes out at art first. @Marisa829: Go back up and look at Cicada’s comment. EVERYTHING that doesn’t directly go to helping people is wasteful. How much money do you spend on coffee that isn’t necessary? How much could you save by riding bikes everywhere? How much do you spend on new clothing when the old clothing is perfectly servicable?

Everything we do on a daily basis is pretty wasteful, so I don’t see why everybody lashes out at art first.

]]> By: travelina http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284536 travelina Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284536 I sent Delvoye an email and will report back if he answers it. You can see the digestion machine on Neatorama: http://www.neatorama.com/2008/09/15/wim-delvoye-worlds-most-badass-artist/ I sent Delvoye an email and will report back if he answers it.

You can see the digestion machine on Neatorama:
http://www.neatorama.com/2008/09/15/wim-delvoye-worlds-most-badass-artist/

]]> By: hassan-i-sabbah http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284541 hassan-i-sabbah Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284541 I liked his tattooed pigs.I like pigs.and tattoos. Granted it is a kinda ethically gray area tho'. I liked his tattooed pigs.I like pigs.and tattoos.
Granted it is a kinda ethically gray area tho’.

]]> By: Jack Daniel http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284555 Jack Daniel Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284555 Quit playing with your food. Quit playing with your food.

]]> By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-285078 Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-285078 Marisa @22, 27: Sagrado Corazon, you want to try that again and see if you can't do better next time? It's disrespectful to come down on top of the conversation with both feet like that, especially when you're wearing hobnail boots. Biscuit4: Yes, she hit first. I understand the impulse to hit back. Momfert @36, those are not traditional Islamic patterns. Also, some of the hypothesized cold cuts are beef, not pork. Also, the project would be non-Halal no matter which cold cuts got used. But the main point is that those aren't specifically Islamic patterns. Marisa @22, 27: Sagrado Corazon, you want to try that again and see if you can’t do better next time? It’s disrespectful to come down on top of the conversation with both feet like that, especially when you’re wearing hobnail boots.

Biscuit4: Yes, she hit first. I understand the impulse to hit back.

Momfert @36, those are not traditional Islamic patterns. Also, some of the hypothesized cold cuts are beef, not pork. Also, the project would be non-Halal no matter which cold cuts got used. But the main point is that those aren’t specifically Islamic patterns.

]]> By: Ethan http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284567 Ethan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284567 According to the artist's website (per the Neatorama link) it is c-prints on aluminum, no actual slices of cold cuts. According to the artist’s website (per the Neatorama link) it is c-prints on aluminum, no actual slices of cold cuts.

]]> By: Cicada http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284574 Cicada Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284574 @FG- Might as well criticize every other pretty-but-not-absolutely-critical thing built and shown here, then-- some of the resources which went into making it could have been used to feed the starving, even if only the labor and energy. @FG- Might as well criticize every other pretty-but-not-absolutely-critical thing built and shown here, then– some of the resources which went into making it could have been used to feed the starving, even if only the labor and energy.

]]> By: jamesgyre http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284581 jamesgyre Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284581 @13... ethical grey area for sure... this gets dangerously close to what i like to call "environmental disaster art"... no granted, acrylic paint (which i use) isn't particularly wonderful for the environment... neither are most of the pigments and dyes used. really, most art has some negative environmental impact... it's just some of it takes it to extremes... like this "installation" i saw that was just lights and fans arranged facing each other for no particular purpose. i've done research into natural paint making and dyeing... a lot can be done with that and other materials (recycled, sustainable, etc...) not that i'm trying to say any other artist should care about it. @13…

ethical grey area for sure… this gets dangerously close to what i like to call “environmental disaster art”…

no granted, acrylic paint (which i use) isn’t particularly wonderful for the environment… neither are most of the pigments and dyes used. really, most art has some negative environmental impact… it’s just some of it takes it to extremes… like this “installation” i saw that was just lights and fans arranged facing each other for no particular purpose.

i’ve done research into natural paint making and dyeing… a lot can be done with that and other materials (recycled, sustainable, etc…)

not that i’m trying to say any other artist should care about it.

]]> By: MrsBug http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284841 MrsBug Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284841 Who tattoos a pig?! Who tattoos a pig?!

]]> By: klobouk http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284587 klobouk Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284587 Hm, I believe that "c-prints on aluminum" refers to the photos of the exhibit, or rather to high-quality mounted prints. I see no reason why the exhibit wouldn't be real meat, and the squares look thicker than cardstock or paper. Contrary to what someone suggested earlier, cured meats such as salume (pl) would not go bad rapidly. It's still a bit of a waste, though. Hm, I believe that “c-prints on aluminum” refers to the photos of the exhibit, or rather to high-quality mounted prints. I see no reason why the exhibit wouldn’t be real meat, and the squares look thicker than cardstock or paper. Contrary to what someone suggested earlier, cured meats such as salume (pl) would not go bad rapidly. It’s still a bit of a waste, though.

]]> By: klobouk http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284588 klobouk Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284588 I retract my previous statement; Ethan appears correct. From look at the other exhibits on the artist's website those sort of prints seem to be frequently used medium. I retract my previous statement; Ethan appears correct. From look at the other exhibits on the artist’s website those sort of prints seem to be frequently used medium.

]]> By: Biscuit4 http://boingboing.net/2008/09/15/marble-floor-made-fr.html#comment-284852 Biscuit4 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-284852 maybe so marisa. maybe so marisa.

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