“Will the people with the “Support Our Troops” bumper stickers STILL feel the same way when those troops are on every street corner, checking to make sure your papoers are in order?”

Well, if they are the same sort of people who believe that support consists of not paying the soldiers for shit, not giving them proper gear and support and extending their tours of duty, then yeah. In such cases we’re talking about people with spectacular stupidity, the aggressively stupid people. And not much of anything is going to change their minds as long as they can still go to the mall and shop.

Moo.

Sorry to burst your speculative bubble, but 90% of what we use to “suppress the populace” in Iraq is guns. The other 10% is propaganda.

Take it to the Moderation Thread.

Oh, I see that you already figured that out. My bad.

Cheney? Pelosi?

Excuse my ignorance, but am I missing something here – members of the US Congress have been told that martial law is (apparently) a genuine threat and no-one appears to be asking who is putting that pressure on? Where in God’s name is the accountability? I can see the outrage, but why doesn’t it seem to be getting directed anywhere productive? And i’m not talking about the commentors here, but everywhere i’ve followed this story.

This is truly a campaign that is de-evolving reporting – blips and bites without substance, unless you’re really willing to do the research… and even then it seems bloody difficult.

The threat of violence seems to be a nice way to force the bailout through when you don’t have objective fact to show its merit.

Listening to NPR last night, it was said on Ira Glass’s show (don’t remember who said it) that there are two options available through the bill that was passed – buying up the bad assets, or “stock injection,” where the government buys a stake in the troubled banks, getting preferred stock in the transaction. Most economists think that’s the better option — healthier for the economy and certainly much fairer for the tax payers. Of course, the banks are lobbying hard against that option — they’d rather just dump the bad assets on us and keep ownership of the institutions as it already is.

Good post dbarak. IIRC at the end of the Ira Glass piece, it was stated that as passed the bill contained language that allowed the govt to go the stock injection route, at the option of the government. Would like independent verification of that, but that’s what they said.

Have you ever heard of something called YouTube? Or do you consider rocket launchers and white phosphorus to be guns?

- in case of mass riots you can always move to the city zoo. It’s like a little jungle / arctic.

first aid kit
medications, rx and otc (PURCHASE ASAP)
knife, swiss army
knife, hunting
handgun, 500 rounds ammunition (PURCHASE ASAP)
radio w/batteries
flashlight w/batteries
towel, bath-sized
toiletries, assorted
water
water filtration device (PURCHASE ASAP)
…

I’m just sayin’.

Sparks: Um, I think its “martial law”.

Captain Murphy: Silence! Under Martian law… uh… what are my powers, exactly?

Sparks: Under martial law, you could suspend habeas corpus, empower a posse comitatus…

Captain Murphy: That’s crap. Mars is wild, untamed. I’m forming a cadre of Martian knights charged with enforcing Martian law.

Captain Murphy: Under Martian law doctors and other wizards are forbidden!

“I want to know who’s threatening martial law. Y ll r ssmng th crrnt dmnstrtn thrtnd t. bt t ws Nncy Pls sprdng rmrs nd thrts.”

There appears to be no foul language used. It is just a dissenting opinion that contradicts the story of the video. This is totally unacceptable behavior by forum moderators and if not explained adequately will cause this member to stop reading BoingBoing permanently. I am a raving liberal and really hope that dissenting views are not being censored here on BoingBoing. The behavior of moderators has been getting increasingly oppressive recently and it hard to fathom why.

I cannot speak for the person who did the disemvoweling, but I read both left-and-right-wing blogs, and some of the more notorious right-wing blogs are claiming that Nancy Pelosi invoked a rule in the House prior to the vote on the bailout bill, which is known by some house members as ‘martial law’. Like the Internet Death Penalty, it’s not really that, but it had the effect (if it was in fact invoked) of forcing the bill to a vote over any and all objections.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/content/explanation-pelosis-martial-law

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7B4laX1E70

Rep Burgess (R), in the video above, stated on CSPAN that they were forced to vote on the bill without being allowed to see it.

I take no position on this, I merely note its existence.

Well sure. And the epitome of foolish is you and your shotgun vs. a platoon of marines with 21st century weapons and a scorching case of PTSD.

Gun enthusiasts love the myth of the citizen militia but seem to forget that this isn’t the 18th century anymore. Modern armies aren’t going to line up Continental Style and let farmers shoot at them from the treeline.

In the event that martial law is declared, you and Ted Nugent won’t even see the Blackwater Mercenaries coming. You’ll just wake up when the first wave of tear gas pulls you vomiting from your bed and then pass right out again once the tasers hit you. If you’re lucky to wake up a second time, you might be aware of the fact that you once had a gun and a right to use it but that will quickly be blotted form your memory as they dunk you face first into a tub of water. Repeatedly. For hours. Until you willingly and lovingly confess to buggering dogs while chanting verses from the Koran and kneeling on an American flag.

I didn’t dv it, but Nancy Pelosi is a prime target for astroturfers. That kind of statement requires a credible citation. Propaganda does not equal discourse.

I’m glad I got my Wilderness Survival merit badge 20 years ago in the Boy Scouts. Now if I only hadn’t moved to New York City.

Maybe today’s Scouts need an Urban Survival merit badge, too? (I already have my Wilderness Survival merit badge.)

Part of that training is the use of ‘non-lethal’ crowd control weapons, including a microwave emitter that makes people feel like they’re on fire. I expect that Raytheon et al. have a few more things up their sleeve, too.

Not just up their sleeves. Ever hear of the ‘brown note’? That’ll ruin your day.

The next four weeks are going to be interesting and probably not so good. There are some who call the Bush people criminals. I’m not certain they have any idea of the magnitude.

I am aware that thousands of posts blaming this person or that person for something in politics are posted every day here and elsewhere. This looks to me like Boingboing is enforcing a single point of view in its forums. That is not a liberal position. Liberals don’t do that. They speak openly and allow even conservative nut cases to have their say.

To categorize that post as propaganda is extremely unreasonable. Almost everyone who posts a comment somewhere has some sort of propaganda to put out there. Come on now.