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		<title>By: franko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318978</link>
		<dc:creator>franko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@43 -- i agree, a beard would make him much hotter. that&#039;s why i put the &quot;kinda&quot; in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@43 &#8212; i agree, a beard would make him much hotter. that&#8217;s why i put the &#8220;kinda&#8221; in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin France</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318982</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin France</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking Great! Here&#039;s an unusual but welcome focus on deforestation and logging. It was cute and Newsom makes things very sweet and lovable.

Then I remembered it was an ad. And I threw up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking Great! Here&#8217;s an unusual but welcome focus on deforestation and logging. It was cute and Newsom makes things very sweet and lovable.</p>
<p>Then I remembered it was an ad. And I threw up.</p>
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		<title>By: earthmann</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318733</link>
		<dc:creator>earthmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is strange alright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is strange alright.</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318735</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s her husband/lover and he just bailed her out. They&#039;re pointing out that different people in the same community might have different priorities and needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s her husband/lover and he just bailed her out. They&#8217;re pointing out that different people in the same community might have different priorities and needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319250</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine showed me this in a &#039;holy shit this is surreal&#039; way, and it really is. It&#039;s such an irritating moment at the end of the beautiful part when it&#039;s suddenly about banking.

Maybe this ad is more effective/emotional to those of who live in places like British Columbia, where I can recall issues surrounding logging and protests being discussed all the way back to my early childhood.

Either way, it&#039;s beautiful. I just cut it a few seconds earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine showed me this in a &#8216;holy shit this is surreal&#8217; way, and it really is. It&#8217;s such an irritating moment at the end of the beautiful part when it&#8217;s suddenly about banking.</p>
<p>Maybe this ad is more effective/emotional to those of who live in places like British Columbia, where I can recall issues surrounding logging and protests being discussed all the way back to my early childhood.</p>
<p>Either way, it&#8217;s beautiful. I just cut it a few seconds earlier.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318739</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analysis.

I felt the same way when I saw the 90 second ad a month back. Very well shot, poignant storytelling without the use of dialogue, and then... HSBC?

Maybe a good way to up HSBC brand recognition with the bloggies, but aside from that, the message is fuzzy at best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis.</p>
<p>I felt the same way when I saw the 90 second ad a month back. Very well shot, poignant storytelling without the use of dialogue, and then&#8230; HSBC?</p>
<p>Maybe a good way to up HSBC brand recognition with the bloggies, but aside from that, the message is fuzzy at best.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319253</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Janne from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.publicradio.org/columns/sustainability/greenwash/2008/10/bizarre_ad_greenwash_or_bear_suit.html&quot;&gt;Marketplace&#039;s Greenwash Brigade blog&lt;/a&gt; suggests that: 

&lt;blockquote&gt;They know people view stories through their own lens, and hope that when we watch we&#039;ll &quot;see&quot; them mirroring back our own values. If that&#039;s the case, they&#039;re trying to tell me that they&#039;re a fan of environmental protection (while also maintaining respect for local economic activities).

In this interpretation, they&#039;re actually abdicating all values, while trying to appeal to the values of potential customers. One of those interpretations is a sustainable one. If this is their game, it&#039;s greenwash, because by the very nature of this scenario, the other values theyâ€™re transmitting (law and order, local economics trump the environment) are opposing values.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

-Joellen (Marketplace)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janne from <a href="http://www.publicradio.org/columns/sustainability/greenwash/2008/10/bizarre_ad_greenwash_or_bear_suit.html">Marketplace&#8217;s Greenwash Brigade blog</a> suggests that: </p>
<blockquote><p>They know people view stories through their own lens, and hope that when we watch we&#8217;ll &#8220;see&#8221; them mirroring back our own values. If that&#8217;s the case, they&#8217;re trying to tell me that they&#8217;re a fan of environmental protection (while also maintaining respect for local economic activities).</p>
<p>In this interpretation, they&#8217;re actually abdicating all values, while trying to appeal to the values of potential customers. One of those interpretations is a sustainable one. If this is their game, it&#8217;s greenwash, because by the very nature of this scenario, the other values theyâ€™re transmitting (law and order, local economics trump the environment) are opposing values.</p></blockquote>
<p>-Joellen (Marketplace)</p>
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		<title>By: PhiCancri</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318744</link>
		<dc:creator>PhiCancri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally when I first saw this add I was pretty confused as well. But it makes more sense (maybe?) if you think about as though the man is the woman&#039;s significant other or father. The woman goes to his place of employment to raise a fuss about the trees and Disney&#039;s Animal Kingdom when she gets hauled away by the fuzz he bails her out, again.

I still don&#039;t know what the fudge any of this has to do with banking though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally when I first saw this add I was pretty confused as well. But it makes more sense (maybe?) if you think about as though the man is the woman&#8217;s significant other or father. The woman goes to his place of employment to raise a fuss about the trees and Disney&#8217;s Animal Kingdom when she gets hauled away by the fuzz he bails her out, again.</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t know what the fudge any of this has to do with banking though.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekMan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318747</link>
		<dc:creator>GeekMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s an excellent ad.

As John Swansburg said in closing, the bank is simply trying to say that it appreciates different people have different ideas, and the bank respects their different viewpoints.

And frankly, this is a lesson we all could learn. Particularly now, when the left and the right are battling it out so fiercely in America. I don&#039;t doubt for a second that both sides think they are doing what&#039;s best to save their country.

What we have to remember in such fierce debates is that we are not battling people. This is not war, it is not personal. Both sides are battling the other side&#039;s IDEAS. 

So at the end of the day, if both logger guy and protester girl can respect eachother&#039;s rights to make up their own minds about IDEAS, then they can still love eachother as people.

Take note, everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s an excellent ad.</p>
<p>As John Swansburg said in closing, the bank is simply trying to say that it appreciates different people have different ideas, and the bank respects their different viewpoints.</p>
<p>And frankly, this is a lesson we all could learn. Particularly now, when the left and the right are battling it out so fiercely in America. I don&#8217;t doubt for a second that both sides think they are doing what&#8217;s best to save their country.</p>
<p>What we have to remember in such fierce debates is that we are not battling people. This is not war, it is not personal. Both sides are battling the other side&#8217;s IDEAS. </p>
<p>So at the end of the day, if both logger guy and protester girl can respect eachother&#8217;s rights to make up their own minds about IDEAS, then they can still love eachother as people.</p>
<p>Take note, everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: justONEguy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318748</link>
		<dc:creator>justONEguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The message is... what? 
Looks like ad execs are using the formula:

cinematic scope 
+ hint of irony 
+ warm and fuzzy
= our message!

I can imagine just about anything dropping its logo at the end. You earned your 6 figures, mad men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The message is&#8230; what?<br />
Looks like ad execs are using the formula:</p>
<p>cinematic scope<br />
+ hint of irony<br />
+ warm and fuzzy<br />
= our message!</p>
<p>I can imagine just about anything dropping its logo at the end. You earned your 6 figures, mad men.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318750</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this message came from the other side of the Pacific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this message came from the other side of the Pacific.</p>
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		<title>By: franko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318752</link>
		<dc:creator>franko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, i totally can see her point. the dude is kinda hot in that rough, sweaty, lumberjacky way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, i totally can see her point. the dude is kinda hot in that rough, sweaty, lumberjacky way.</p>
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		<title>By: EeyoreX</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319008</link>
		<dc:creator>EeyoreX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, on one hand the ad works because it generates interest and turns viral and gets the brand name out there.

On the other hand the ad doesn&#039;t work because it is confusing and doesn&#039;t really have any resonable connection with the brand in question. As some have allready pointed out, this could be Diesel or Coke or allmost anything.

Whether the protesting girl and Henry the logger are related by blood or just dating it is clear that they share both a past and a future togeather.
 Even though they evidently have nothing in common in terms of values or priorities.

Both of them will most probably keep destroying whatever the other one holds dear until one of them eventually dies. 
Quite horrific, really.

Maybe that&#039;s what HSBC really wants to tell us: that there are no perfect relationships, or even decent relationships; your best hope is to partner up with someone that doesn&#039;t compleatly repulse you.

&lt;i&gt;We are a bank. We&#039;re not one of the worst ones so you might as well save yourself the trouble of looking any further. Plus we make cute little quirky ads.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, on one hand the ad works because it generates interest and turns viral and gets the brand name out there.</p>
<p>On the other hand the ad doesn&#8217;t work because it is confusing and doesn&#8217;t really have any resonable connection with the brand in question. As some have allready pointed out, this could be Diesel or Coke or allmost anything.</p>
<p>Whether the protesting girl and Henry the logger are related by blood or just dating it is clear that they share both a past and a future togeather.<br />
 Even though they evidently have nothing in common in terms of values or priorities.</p>
<p>Both of them will most probably keep destroying whatever the other one holds dear until one of them eventually dies.<br />
Quite horrific, really.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s what HSBC really wants to tell us: that there are no perfect relationships, or even decent relationships; your best hope is to partner up with someone that doesn&#8217;t compleatly repulse you.</p>
<p><i>We are a bank. We&#8217;re not one of the worst ones so you might as well save yourself the trouble of looking any further. Plus we make cute little quirky ads.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Astin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318753</link>
		<dc:creator>Astin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt similarly when I first saw it (just the other night in fact).  HSBC seemed a very odd payoff for the commercial.

Putting it in the context of being aimed at sophisticated investors and businesses doesn&#039;t really make the connection any more obvious.

If the loggers represent someone with a business interest in the protestor&#039;s country, are they saying at the end that they&#039;re in bed together and what&#039;s really important is bail money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt similarly when I first saw it (just the other night in fact).  HSBC seemed a very odd payoff for the commercial.</p>
<p>Putting it in the context of being aimed at sophisticated investors and businesses doesn&#8217;t really make the connection any more obvious.</p>
<p>If the loggers represent someone with a business interest in the protestor&#8217;s country, are they saying at the end that they&#8217;re in bed together and what&#8217;s really important is bail money?</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319012</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As some have allready pointed out, this could be Diesel or Coke or allmost anything.&lt;/i&gt;

Or Trojan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As some have allready pointed out, this could be Diesel or Coke or allmost anything.</i></p>
<p>Or Trojan.</p>
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		<title>By: takeshi</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319014</link>
		<dc:creator>takeshi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ grimc:

&quot;I don&#039;t quite see how I &#039;DEMAND&#039; anything.&quot;

Nor do I see how it&#039;s a FAIL - epic or elseways - merely because you SAY so.  And by the way, the word &quot;FAIL&quot; doesn&#039;t really carry as much weight as you might suspect.  Ten year olds use it all the time.  It&#039;s snarky, but also glib, unremittingly hip, and utterly devoid of any real substance.

&quot;I also work in advertising. Not that it makes me an expert, but maybe I&#039;m even *more* shrewdly informed that you think. Scary, right?&quot;

Not exactly.  I half-expected you to say something along those lines, regardless of how accurate the claim is.  To me, you&#039;re just some pseudonymous guy on the Internet.  I, too, have worked in advertising.  See how easy that is?  Perhaps I am more shrewdly informed than &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; think.  Or perhaps not.  Well, indisputably I am, but I&#039;ll let you cling to your delusions of grandeur.  

I stand by my earlier assessment.  Anything that generates a buzz is a success, be it minor, moderate, or extreme.  

&quot;Yes, the logo could just as easily have been replaced with that of another company. And that&#039;s exactly why it *isn&#039;t* effective marketing.&quot;

Again, YOU don&#039;t get to dictate that. Sorry.  Think whatever you like.  I&#039;d be interested to know which tremendous feats of marketing you have masterminded that were any more successful.  And maybe there have been a few.  Who knows?  The only thing I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; certain of is that you are still just some guy, assailing an ad campaign online, to little effect.  The reasons you&#039;ve cited for its &quot;failure&quot; are unconvincing and utterly inconsequential, given the buzz it&#039;s generated, however remarkable that buzz may seem to you.  

So, in brief, we&#039;ll agree to disagree.  That still doesn&#039;t mean that you&#039;re right.  Judging from some of the positive (and negative) responses here, I&#039;d say that you&#039;re dead wrong.  Such is life.  Or, to put it another way, EPIC FAIL.    



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ grimc:</p>
<p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t quite see how I &#8216;DEMAND&#8217; anything.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nor do I see how it&#8217;s a FAIL &#8211; epic or elseways &#8211; merely because you SAY so.  And by the way, the word &#8220;FAIL&#8221; doesn&#8217;t really carry as much weight as you might suspect.  Ten year olds use it all the time.  It&#8217;s snarky, but also glib, unremittingly hip, and utterly devoid of any real substance.</p>
<p>&#8220;I also work in advertising. Not that it makes me an expert, but maybe I&#8217;m even *more* shrewdly informed that you think. Scary, right?&#8221;</p>
<p>Not exactly.  I half-expected you to say something along those lines, regardless of how accurate the claim is.  To me, you&#8217;re just some pseudonymous guy on the Internet.  I, too, have worked in advertising.  See how easy that is?  Perhaps I am more shrewdly informed than <i>you</i> think.  Or perhaps not.  Well, indisputably I am, but I&#8217;ll let you cling to your delusions of grandeur.  </p>
<p>I stand by my earlier assessment.  Anything that generates a buzz is a success, be it minor, moderate, or extreme.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, the logo could just as easily have been replaced with that of another company. And that&#8217;s exactly why it *isn&#8217;t* effective marketing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, YOU don&#8217;t get to dictate that. Sorry.  Think whatever you like.  I&#8217;d be interested to know which tremendous feats of marketing you have masterminded that were any more successful.  And maybe there have been a few.  Who knows?  The only thing I <i>am</i> certain of is that you are still just some guy, assailing an ad campaign online, to little effect.  The reasons you&#8217;ve cited for its &#8220;failure&#8221; are unconvincing and utterly inconsequential, given the buzz it&#8217;s generated, however remarkable that buzz may seem to you.  </p>
<p>So, in brief, we&#8217;ll agree to disagree.  That still doesn&#8217;t mean that you&#8217;re right.  Judging from some of the positive (and negative) responses here, I&#8217;d say that you&#8217;re dead wrong.  Such is life.  Or, to put it another way, EPIC FAIL.    </p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319015</link>
		<dc:creator>jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;ve had posters up in airports (and, perhaps, elsewhere) for the last 2 years that are part of the same campaign.

They&#039;ll be four pictures up in a row. Let&#039;s say it&#039;s: dog, cat, dog and cat. And under that it&#039;ll say love, hate, hate, love. Or similar.

Point being, different people identify with/like different things. And HSBC will take your money regardless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;ve had posters up in airports (and, perhaps, elsewhere) for the last 2 years that are part of the same campaign.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll be four pictures up in a row. Let&#8217;s say it&#8217;s: dog, cat, dog and cat. And under that it&#8217;ll say love, hate, hate, love. Or similar.</p>
<p>Point being, different people identify with/like different things. And HSBC will take your money regardless.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mojave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strange alright....but anything with Joanna Newsom in it can&#039;t be all bad.</description>
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		<title>By: EeyoreX</title>
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		<dc:creator>EeyoreX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ antinous

&lt;I&gt;As some have allready pointed out, this could be Diesel or Coke or allmost anything.

Or Trojan&lt;/I&gt;

You know, that way the ad would actually make MORE sense.

I think the tagline at  the end should be 

&lt;I&gt;Trojan - because some people just should&#039;nt have kids&lt;/I&gt;

And then the ad would make its point regardless if you side with Henry or the girl, or weather you think they are lovers or a father and a daughter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ antinous</p>
<p><i>As some have allready pointed out, this could be Diesel or Coke or allmost anything.</p>
<p>Or Trojan</i></p>
<p>You know, that way the ad would actually make MORE sense.</p>
<p>I think the tagline at  the end should be </p>
<p><i>Trojan &#8211; because some people just should&#8217;nt have kids</i></p>
<p>And then the ad would make its point regardless if you side with Henry or the girl, or weather you think they are lovers or a father and a daughter.</p>
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		<title>By: roboton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318766</link>
		<dc:creator>roboton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is they don&#039;t care what you do, they got your money anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is they don&#8217;t care what you do, they got your money anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: grimc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318767</link>
		<dc:creator>grimc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More stupid than bizarre. From the premise (even at the height of the Spotted Owl controversy, I can&#039;t recall a single instance where cops scuffled with protestors and used dogs. SOP was to wait them out), to details (cops in black and whites? Try state troopers), to strategy (between environmental protestors and commercial loggers--whose side would an international bank take?), it sucks.

Conceptual, executional FAIL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More stupid than bizarre. From the premise (even at the height of the Spotted Owl controversy, I can&#8217;t recall a single instance where cops scuffled with protestors and used dogs. SOP was to wait them out), to details (cops in black and whites? Try state troopers), to strategy (between environmental protestors and commercial loggers&#8211;whose side would an international bank take?), it sucks.</p>
<p>Conceptual, executional FAIL.</p>
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		<title>By: toxonix</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318768</link>
		<dc:creator>toxonix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So she was actually a spy working for the logging company all along?  Geez what a dirty trick.
This has nothing to do with banking and everything to do with hippies needing better spy checks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So she was actually a spy working for the logging company all along?  Geez what a dirty trick.<br />
This has nothing to do with banking and everything to do with hippies needing better spy checks.</p>
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		<title>By: nutate</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318769</link>
		<dc:creator>nutate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my analysis: hong kong shanghai banking corporation wants us people to know they aren&#039;t as cray-cray as such banking greats as wamu and wachovia.  they approach an ad agency with this idea. ad agency says, 
&quot;want to seem not crazy, how about this crazy ad idea, check it... this girl plays harp and sings all high and is crazy popular on pitchfork (it&#039;s like rolling stone for you oldsters).  You&#039;ll get plenty of play for being outright strange on the interwebs and get lot&#039;s a new money peeps openin&#039; accounts.&quot;

final verdict:
predictable non-news item gets blog time, face time, impressions for the mega-corp.  

join a local credit union and ... for lack of a better word, fuck the international banking system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my analysis: hong kong shanghai banking corporation wants us people to know they aren&#8217;t as cray-cray as such banking greats as wamu and wachovia.  they approach an ad agency with this idea. ad agency says,<br />
&#8220;want to seem not crazy, how about this crazy ad idea, check it&#8230; this girl plays harp and sings all high and is crazy popular on pitchfork (it&#8217;s like rolling stone for you oldsters).  You&#8217;ll get plenty of play for being outright strange on the interwebs and get lot&#8217;s a new money peeps openin&#8217; accounts.&#8221;</p>
<p>final verdict:<br />
predictable non-news item gets blog time, face time, impressions for the mega-corp.  </p>
<p>join a local credit union and &#8230; for lack of a better word, fuck the international banking system.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319025</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trojan, nah, the Trojan Oylmpics were the best ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trojan, nah, the Trojan Oylmpics were the best ads.</p>
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		<title>By: smasm</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319026</link>
		<dc:creator>smasm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As HSBC customer in two countries, I&#039;ve never had anything except incredible customer service. I&#039;m sympathetic to these ads that get at their acceptance of different customs and values, because I&#039;ve found that they live up to this in the best possible way.

And no, I&#039;m not a PR agent for HSBC :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As HSBC customer in two countries, I&#8217;ve never had anything except incredible customer service. I&#8217;m sympathetic to these ads that get at their acceptance of different customs and values, because I&#8217;ve found that they live up to this in the best possible way.</p>
<p>And no, I&#8217;m not a PR agent for HSBC :)</p>
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		<title>By: jimbuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318771</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a good ad.... for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a good ad&#8230;. for something.</p>
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		<title>By: nutate</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318773</link>
		<dc:creator>nutate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, ps, my analysis was based on not watching the ad or reading the comments just reading the blurb.  the content of the ad is immaterial, i&#039;ve heard Ys and I&#039;ve been on a conference call with Julia Butterfly-Hill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, ps, my analysis was based on not watching the ad or reading the comments just reading the blurb.  the content of the ad is immaterial, i&#8217;ve heard Ys and I&#8217;ve been on a conference call with Julia Butterfly-Hill.</p>
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		<title>By: roundabout</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-319034</link>
		<dc:creator>roundabout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stunning, and yeah, non-partisan.  far too complex to sell banking, though, but how wonderful it was made and exists. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stunning, and yeah, non-partisan.  far too complex to sell banking, though, but how wonderful it was made and exists. </p>
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		<title>By: Doug Nelson</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318779</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A commercial that makes you think and generate discussion, perhaps even independent of thinking about the sponsor. I say bravo!

I wish more sponsors would go this route, and would think better of those that did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A commercial that makes you think and generate discussion, perhaps even independent of thinking about the sponsor. I say bravo!</p>
<p>I wish more sponsors would go this route, and would think better of those that did.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/10/29/hsbcs-bizarre-lumber.html#comment-318781</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just pulling this out of you know where, but this ad seems like it was made and then sold to whatever company wanted it. It&#039;s a good ad, but it doesn&#039;t seem like something HSBC would commission you know?

Anyone with an advertising background know if this sort of practice actually exists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just pulling this out of you know where, but this ad seems like it was made and then sold to whatever company wanted it. It&#8217;s a good ad, but it doesn&#8217;t seem like something HSBC would commission you know?</p>
<p>Anyone with an advertising background know if this sort of practice actually exists?</p>
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