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	<title>Comments on: Why CNN Struggles to Cover The Economic&#160;Panic</title>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339968</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yeah here&#039;s a link, a little graphic info...looks like a lot of help considering that only 1% of Americans own 40% of all financial assets.
http://benbittrolff.blogspot.com/
More disinfo for deviant I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah here&#8217;s a link, a little graphic info&#8230;looks like a lot of help considering that only 1% of Americans own 40% of all financial assets.<br />
<a href="http://benbittrolff.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://benbittrolff.blogspot.com/</a><br />
More disinfo for deviant I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: CVR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339464</link>
		<dc:creator>CVR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dale (author of the post)
&quot;Invisible Hand-Wringing&quot;...you deserve a bonus for that line. 

Where&#039;s the Boing Boing compensation committee?

@Simplewonder: Good point about the economy being the best birth control. I feel bad for people who just had kids and are now being pulled under by this economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dale (author of the post)<br />
&#8220;Invisible Hand-Wringing&#8221;&#8230;you deserve a bonus for that line. </p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the Boing Boing compensation committee?</p>
<p>@Simplewonder: Good point about the economy being the best birth control. I feel bad for people who just had kids and are now being pulled under by this economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Daephex</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339466</link>
		<dc:creator>Daephex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s working for those of us below the poverty line, at least among people I know-- gas prices are back down, and it looks like tax returns might be going up. And hey, I won&#039;t deny a bit of schadenfreude hearing about yuppies waiting for a handout. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s working for those of us below the poverty line, at least among people I know&#8211; gas prices are back down, and it looks like tax returns might be going up. And hey, I won&#8217;t deny a bit of schadenfreude hearing about yuppies waiting for a handout. </p>
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		<title>By: padster123</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339482</link>
		<dc:creator>padster123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The war on terrorism featured a real enemy&quot;


.. really? Hmmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The war on terrorism featured a real enemy&#8221;</p>
<p>.. really? Hmmm.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339994</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anonymous @ 55 - The This American Life episodes you link are just awesome. They&#039;re really &lt;b&gt;on&lt;/b&gt; lately. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anonymous @ 55 &#8211; The This American Life episodes you link are just awesome. They&#8217;re really <b>on</b> lately. </p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339996</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KoshN @34, that&#039;s widely known to be untrue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KoshN @34, that&#8217;s widely known to be untrue.</p>
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		<title>By: Purly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339485</link>
		<dc:creator>Purly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With CONVICTION, what will happen:

- Commodities will continue to decrease in price
- An unknown number of people will lose their jobs
- Local communities will organize efforts to assist their neighbors
- Obama will take office
- A number of energy bills will be seen, but few will pass. The ones that do will simultaneously create jobs and green energy
- Soldiers being brought home from the war will take jobs in the new green energy economy
- In seven years, upper-middle class families will pour millions of dollars in investment into green energy stocks
- The end of the recession will not be a big deal because we will all be concerned about the increased rain fall, number of hurricanes, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With CONVICTION, what will happen:</p>
<p>- Commodities will continue to decrease in price<br />
- An unknown number of people will lose their jobs<br />
- Local communities will organize efforts to assist their neighbors<br />
- Obama will take office<br />
- A number of energy bills will be seen, but few will pass. The ones that do will simultaneously create jobs and green energy<br />
- Soldiers being brought home from the war will take jobs in the new green energy economy<br />
- In seven years, upper-middle class families will pour millions of dollars in investment into green energy stocks<br />
- The end of the recession will not be a big deal because we will all be concerned about the increased rain fall, number of hurricanes, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339486</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re watching the wrong cable network. Try CNBC, where they&#039;re talking and talking and talking about the financial mess.

I actually have learned some new financial terms from attempting to follow &quot;Fast Money,&quot; a show whose host jokingly suggested ought to be re-named &quot;Where the Heck is My Money?&quot; As a result of watching, I understood why my stock maven gal pal bought Citicorp at $4 a share last Friday. And why day trading could make me a fortune if only I had some money to risk. 

And I have to stick up for Suze Orman, too. Although she has affected a bizarre TV presence in the last few years, full of tacky tics, she has always given sound advice. Didn&#039;t you hear her on Larry King, telling the idiot woman caller not to do this Christmas on credit cards?

I&#039;ve noticed that the political guys, like Cooper and Matthews and Olberman, simply aren&#039;t paying much attention to the financial news. It&#039;s not their thing. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re watching the wrong cable network. Try CNBC, where they&#8217;re talking and talking and talking about the financial mess.</p>
<p>I actually have learned some new financial terms from attempting to follow &#8220;Fast Money,&#8221; a show whose host jokingly suggested ought to be re-named &#8220;Where the Heck is My Money?&#8221; As a result of watching, I understood why my stock maven gal pal bought Citicorp at $4 a share last Friday. And why day trading could make me a fortune if only I had some money to risk. </p>
<p>And I have to stick up for Suze Orman, too. Although she has affected a bizarre TV presence in the last few years, full of tacky tics, she has always given sound advice. Didn&#8217;t you hear her on Larry King, telling the idiot woman caller not to do this Christmas on credit cards?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that the political guys, like Cooper and Matthews and Olberman, simply aren&#8217;t paying much attention to the financial news. It&#8217;s not their thing. </p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339746</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not news, it&#039;s views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not news, it&#8217;s views.</p>
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		<title>By: imipak</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339495</link>
		<dc:creator>imipak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Olaf9000, #2: 

&quot;...he explained to me and told me that before his people could predict the markets and invest accordingly there were tools to predict such trends already in place. now its diffrent nobody can predict this animal anymore.&quot;


Wrong, wrong, wrong. They couldn&#039;t predict the markets, they just made lucky guesses. I&#039;ve not been able to find where I found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2007/11/19/Blaine-Lourd-Profile&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt; - I could have sworn it was here on BB, but I&#039;ve not found it. Anyway, a good recommended read. It&#039;s a random walk, ladies and gentlemen, and anyone who tells you different is selling something.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Olaf9000, #2: </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;he explained to me and told me that before his people could predict the markets and invest accordingly there were tools to predict such trends already in place. now its diffrent nobody can predict this animal anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wrong, wrong, wrong. They couldn&#8217;t predict the markets, they just made lucky guesses. I&#8217;ve not been able to find where I found <a href="http://www.portfolio.com/executives/features/2007/11/19/Blaine-Lourd-Profile" rel="nofollow">this link</a> &#8211; I could have sworn it was here on BB, but I&#8217;ve not found it. Anyway, a good recommended read. It&#8217;s a random walk, ladies and gentlemen, and anyone who tells you different is selling something.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339496</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah. The TV news regularly stops dead when things go &quot;off script&quot;...because they are in fact working from a script.
Good looks trump reason when it comes to TV.
The revolution won&#039;t be televised.
And that is because that revolt must be against the values (loosely so-called) which TV epitomizes.
TV is a tool of the ruling class.
TV has limitless possibilities for education.
What lessons do the US $$ elite use TV to inculcate?
&quot;War is essential...military spending is sacrosanct...there will never be a non-rightist SecDef, and that&#039;s normal in a democratic republic.&quot;
I say again, Bah.
Turn off the TV and laugh at the idiocy of those who do not participate in politics face-to-face.
Like He-Man said, &quot;You have the Power.&quot; No, wait, he did not say that...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah. The TV news regularly stops dead when things go &#8220;off script&#8221;&#8230;because they are in fact working from a script.<br />
Good looks trump reason when it comes to TV.<br />
The revolution won&#8217;t be televised.<br />
And that is because that revolt must be against the values (loosely so-called) which TV epitomizes.<br />
TV is a tool of the ruling class.<br />
TV has limitless possibilities for education.<br />
What lessons do the US $$ elite use TV to inculcate?<br />
&#8220;War is essential&#8230;military spending is sacrosanct&#8230;there will never be a non-rightist SecDef, and that&#8217;s normal in a democratic republic.&#8221;<br />
I say again, Bah.<br />
Turn off the TV and laugh at the idiocy of those who do not participate in politics face-to-face.<br />
Like He-Man said, &#8220;You have the Power.&#8221; No, wait, he did not say that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Enormo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339499</link>
		<dc:creator>Enormo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a solution. Just watch CNBC. The coverage is far more thorough. Sure they don&#039;t have the same production value as CNN but their chicks are HOT! And just because you don&#039;t follow the economy doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t masturbate to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a solution. Just watch CNBC. The coverage is far more thorough. Sure they don&#8217;t have the same production value as CNN but their chicks are HOT! And just because you don&#8217;t follow the economy doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t masturbate to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339500</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aah Koshin arguing for the fascist outcome...blame the victims, not the bankers...thankfully the victims have more votes.
Too bad democracy and &quot;robber Baron&quot; free markets don&#039;t mix, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aah Koshin arguing for the fascist outcome&#8230;blame the victims, not the bankers&#8230;thankfully the victims have more votes.<br />
Too bad democracy and &#8220;robber Baron&#8221; free markets don&#8217;t mix, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: DeDuva</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339505</link>
		<dc:creator>DeDuva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama isn&#039;t &quot;filling time&quot;.  He is putting together the organization he will need in place this January. I have seen some criticisms both of his choices based on their experience in Washington and the pace of the appointments but perhaps that is a necessity given the current circumstances. One statement made during the campaign that has since been proven prescient is the need to &quot;hit the ground running&quot;.  It seems to me the President Elect has already been doing just that and has been taking the measures he is currently able to that will allow him to begin work quickly once inaugurated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama isn&#8217;t &#8220;filling time&#8221;.  He is putting together the organization he will need in place this January. I have seen some criticisms both of his choices based on their experience in Washington and the pace of the appointments but perhaps that is a necessity given the current circumstances. One statement made during the campaign that has since been proven prescient is the need to &#8220;hit the ground running&#8221;.  It seems to me the President Elect has already been doing just that and has been taking the measures he is currently able to that will allow him to begin work quickly once inaugurated.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This American Life is your new best friend.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1242&quot;&gt;The Giant Pool Of Money&lt;/a&gt; talks about exactly how and why Subprime mortgages and CDO&#039;s started the dominoes falling.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1263&quot;&gt;Another Frightening Show About the Economy&lt;/a&gt; talks about the Commercial Paper Market and why market liquidity is so important.  Also it explains Credit Default Swaps and why they contributed to a lot of anxiety last month (but I think now they&#039;ve been revealed to be not nearly as big a factor as originally thought.)

You don&#039;t even have to read them - it&#039;s a radio show so you can just sit and listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This American Life is your new best friend.</p>
<p><a href="http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1242">The Giant Pool Of Money</a> talks about exactly how and why Subprime mortgages and CDO&#8217;s started the dominoes falling.</p>
<p><a href="http://thislife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1263">Another Frightening Show About the Economy</a> talks about the Commercial Paper Market and why market liquidity is so important.  Also it explains Credit Default Swaps and why they contributed to a lot of anxiety last month (but I think now they&#8217;ve been revealed to be not nearly as big a factor as originally thought.)</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t even have to read them &#8211; it&#8217;s a radio show so you can just sit and listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is currently breaking all speed records in getting ready to work. Bush&#039;s failure to resign and get the hell out of the way is yet more proof that he actively WANTS the destruction of America.  Every minute Bush remains in office should be basis for a charge of treason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is currently breaking all speed records in getting ready to work. Bush&#8217;s failure to resign and get the hell out of the way is yet more proof that he actively WANTS the destruction of America.  Every minute Bush remains in office should be basis for a charge of treason.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing to add that I probably overlooked in the comments:  any network media news can and will NOT cover negative truth about the companies that own their A$$.  In the current case, they&#039;d indict conglomerate owners and then have to report complicity in their own subsidiary companies.  Remember, everything was great a year ago...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing to add that I probably overlooked in the comments:  any network media news can and will NOT cover negative truth about the companies that own their A$$.  In the current case, they&#8217;d indict conglomerate owners and then have to report complicity in their own subsidiary companies.  Remember, everything was great a year ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: JoeS</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339516</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The current problem grew out of policy and practices remarkably similar to the overleveraging that led to the Depression of the 1930s. At that time, holding companies bought shares in other companies rather than having product to sell. Stock prices started going up and up, and people bought on margin, borrowing most of the price and counting on rising values to pay for the loans. The subprime crisis was caused by doing the same with overvalued properties. People who invested beyond their means will survive this, even if they lose their holdings. At least here in America there are still opportunities to start over. An important part of the recovery will be investigating and prosecuting all those who broke the law by abusing their authority or perepetrating and/or abetting fraud. Regulators who did not do their duty to protect the buyers should lose their jobs and pensions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current problem grew out of policy and practices remarkably similar to the overleveraging that led to the Depression of the 1930s. At that time, holding companies bought shares in other companies rather than having product to sell. Stock prices started going up and up, and people bought on margin, borrowing most of the price and counting on rising values to pay for the loans. The subprime crisis was caused by doing the same with overvalued properties. People who invested beyond their means will survive this, even if they lose their holdings. At least here in America there are still opportunities to start over. An important part of the recovery will be investigating and prosecuting all those who broke the law by abusing their authority or perepetrating and/or abetting fraud. Regulators who did not do their duty to protect the buyers should lose their jobs and pensions.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
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		<description>or in the case of Faux; &quot;spews&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or in the case of Faux; &#8220;spews&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: All Jelly No Toast</title>
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		<dc:creator>All Jelly No Toast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem (one of them) with the Community Reinvestment Act argument is that CRA loans do NOT account for even a sizable portion of defaulted mortgages. They&#039;ve historically been fairly profitable and nearly always paid back.

The loans lent to people that couldn&#039;t afford them and then weren&#039;t paid back were often not in poor minority neighborhoods--they were expensive homes with inflated value that people thought would continue inflating. Then they didn&#039;t. 

This had nothing to do with CRA. Cut that shit out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem (one of them) with the Community Reinvestment Act argument is that CRA loans do NOT account for even a sizable portion of defaulted mortgages. They&#8217;ve historically been fairly profitable and nearly always paid back.</p>
<p>The loans lent to people that couldn&#8217;t afford them and then weren&#8217;t paid back were often not in poor minority neighborhoods&#8211;they were expensive homes with inflated value that people thought would continue inflating. Then they didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>This had nothing to do with CRA. Cut that shit out.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bloo:

BB should be a place where you can come to get what you want and need - like it is now. I think people need immediately useful ideas and encouragement to keep going until they find answers. Thanks for your support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bloo:</p>
<p>BB should be a place where you can come to get what you want and need &#8211; like it is now. I think people need immediately useful ideas and encouragement to keep going until they find answers. Thanks for your support.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339525</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing that triggered this crash was high oil prices caused by runaway speculation, on the back of the US&#039;s destruction of Iraq. Why no investigation of why oil spiked and crashed? &quot;Oh it&#039;s supply &amp; demand.&quot; BS.
Sleze: Carter is to blame? For allowing out-of-control rightist rogues in the mil/ind/Pentagon complex to sucker Russia into Afghanistan, sure.
For setting up a Presidency that saw:
1: Military expenditures through the roof, which all the President&#039;s supporters cheered,
2. Oil speculators and companies enjoying the biggest profits ever, while the Presidency repeated its slo-mo Enron action, ie &quot;there is no problem&quot; (and thereby triggered the current crash...only oil became unaffordable, really); and
3. Wall street&#039;s &quot;finest&quot; having all of their losses (and then some) re-imbursed by the Federal Gov., no questions or details allowed;
I can only blame Repubs (those who have held nigh-untrammelled Power for these many years - Democrats now need 60% of the seats in Congress it seems to pass Legislation, while Repubs only need 50% + 1...) and their apologists, seemingly always lecturing people that they can&#039;t have it so good, and that universal health care and adequate pensions and welfare and food banks are &quot;excessive&quot;, &quot;unaffordable&quot;, and that this is all the fault of poor lazy and shiftless people, and that the Public will, before these goods are obtainable, have to pay for the &quot;fully-equipped with the latest, price no objection&quot; Police and Prisons, as well as to pay for overseas wars and bankers bonuses. Oh and no more declaring Bankruptcy for people, that too was &quot;part of the problem&quot; enabling those &quot;lazy shiftless dirty poor people&quot; to bring about this financial crisis.
Actually as poor people&#039;s entire life-long experience is one long financial crisis, I think the poor would know better therefore how to rectify these problems than golden boys like Geithner or Paulson or Bernanke...or Bush, who have never known personal hardship.

Please correct if wrong about that &quot;hardship&quot; part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing that triggered this crash was high oil prices caused by runaway speculation, on the back of the US&#8217;s destruction of Iraq. Why no investigation of why oil spiked and crashed? &#8220;Oh it&#8217;s supply &#038; demand.&#8221; BS.<br />
Sleze: Carter is to blame? For allowing out-of-control rightist rogues in the mil/ind/Pentagon complex to sucker Russia into Afghanistan, sure.<br />
For setting up a Presidency that saw:<br />
1: Military expenditures through the roof, which all the President&#8217;s supporters cheered,<br />
2. Oil speculators and companies enjoying the biggest profits ever, while the Presidency repeated its slo-mo Enron action, ie &#8220;there is no problem&#8221; (and thereby triggered the current crash&#8230;only oil became unaffordable, really); and<br />
3. Wall street&#8217;s &#8220;finest&#8221; having all of their losses (and then some) re-imbursed by the Federal Gov., no questions or details allowed;<br />
I can only blame Repubs (those who have held nigh-untrammelled Power for these many years &#8211; Democrats now need 60% of the seats in Congress it seems to pass Legislation, while Repubs only need 50% + 1&#8230;) and their apologists, seemingly always lecturing people that they can&#8217;t have it so good, and that universal health care and adequate pensions and welfare and food banks are &#8220;excessive&#8221;, &#8220;unaffordable&#8221;, and that this is all the fault of poor lazy and shiftless people, and that the Public will, before these goods are obtainable, have to pay for the &#8220;fully-equipped with the latest, price no objection&#8221; Police and Prisons, as well as to pay for overseas wars and bankers bonuses. Oh and no more declaring Bankruptcy for people, that too was &#8220;part of the problem&#8221; enabling those &#8220;lazy shiftless dirty poor people&#8221; to bring about this financial crisis.<br />
Actually as poor people&#8217;s entire life-long experience is one long financial crisis, I think the poor would know better therefore how to rectify these problems than golden boys like Geithner or Paulson or Bernanke&#8230;or Bush, who have never known personal hardship.</p>
<p>Please correct if wrong about that &#8220;hardship&#8221; part.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339527</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Joes:
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/18/how-sec-ruleexemptio.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Joes:<br />
<a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/18/how-sec-ruleexemptio.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/18/how-sec-ruleexemptio.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: paulj</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339535</link>
		<dc:creator>paulj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Koshn is trying to perpetuate a right-wing meme that turns out to be yet another lie: loans under the Community Reinvestment Act have about the same default rate as loans not covered by the Act. It&#039;s not relevant to the current crisis, except in the fevered imaginations of wingnuts who will blame a Democrat, ANY Democrat, rather than look at how their conservative idols screwed them over.

The greatest default rates are in places such as Las Vegas, Phoenix and the Inland Empire, where builders and flippers went wild and conjured up fraudulent &quot;creative financing&quot; schemes to keep their bubbles inflated until they could cash out. All that is a minor distraction compared to the multi-trillion dollar house of cards built by investment bankers with CDOs. But arcane financial instruments and huge sums disappearing from accounting databases don&#039;t make good TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Koshn is trying to perpetuate a right-wing meme that turns out to be yet another lie: loans under the Community Reinvestment Act have about the same default rate as loans not covered by the Act. It&#8217;s not relevant to the current crisis, except in the fevered imaginations of wingnuts who will blame a Democrat, ANY Democrat, rather than look at how their conservative idols screwed them over.</p>
<p>The greatest default rates are in places such as Las Vegas, Phoenix and the Inland Empire, where builders and flippers went wild and conjured up fraudulent &#8220;creative financing&#8221; schemes to keep their bubbles inflated until they could cash out. All that is a minor distraction compared to the multi-trillion dollar house of cards built by investment bankers with CDOs. But arcane financial instruments and huge sums disappearing from accounting databases don&#8217;t make good TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339538</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paulj: But they do make for great politics, which goes on despite TV...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paulj: But they do make for great politics, which goes on despite TV&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: catbeller</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339543</link>
		<dc:creator>catbeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel like a man who has spent seven years in a bomb shelter, who is now opening the hatch into a new, strange world.

I haven&#039;t watched TV or flown on a plane since the year 2000. I stopped listening to radio in 2001 when a favorite Sunday morning radio piece on NPR was shrilly, angrily calling anyone who questioned Bush&#039;s war on Iraq a traitor. And that was the LIBERAL. I knew my country had gone insane.

Point: I am in a world of people who can&#039;t process data. 

At least America, some of them, are figuring out that there is no &quot;terrorist&quot; threat that requires our complete and utter devotion and treasury.

While America was looking for box cutters like a vampire counting beans, I watched the debt climb into Death&#039;s country. I watched the tax cuts and the insane military spending drive us into China&#039;s newly moneyed arms. I watched a Forever War making many rich and bankrupting the nation.

I watched the housing bubble and cried havoc. I warned people that it would burst and take out all the &quot;wealth&quot; that we thought we had made since 2000.

I saw the derivative market grow; I heard Buffet warn us that it would destroy us. Where were my people? Watching Iraq being destroyed in yet another Friedmanite takeover of a foreign market.

I didn&#039;t know about the re-re-re-leveraged mortgage debt, but I should have guessed, watching my mortgage change hands so many times. 

This wasn&#039;t a surprise, this depression. Not only have we made our castle of money on a hill of derivatives sand, but we happily sent our industry overseas while giving the finger to the unions. Pension funds were outright stolen to fund corporations to overwhelming approval. Bankruptcy was made almost impossible for a normal human to use. All it took was a match. And the oil companies and the traders that finance them lit the match.

We watched in puzzlement as oil and commodity prices, set by casinos, when into the danger range. We watched jobs disappear, and almost no one connected the next dot, which was a wave of default and foreclosure. The match lit the can of gasoline.

Financial engineers had packaged mortgage debt and sold it as AAA rated investments to the entire world, and everyone made out like bandits. But the insurance company, AIG, which was Too Big To Fail, was unregulated and did not have to actually have the ability to cover losses if a wave of foreclosures hit. The gasoline can started the neighborhood on fire.

Everyone assumed bubbles go on forever. For the Smartest Men in the Room, who got out early and are now posed to buy our country for pennies on the dollar, this has been a raging success. You all are not processing this: this is Disaster Capitalism. They made a fortune, and now the disaster they made is the opportunity to buy us cheaply. And here&#039;s what is making people so surprised and puzzled: they are being gifted with 8 trillion of our money,with no strings, to buy us up with. Truly, it is good to be Milton Friedman&#039;s Chicago Boys. After Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, Indonesia, Poland, China and Russia, the United States of America is now similarly poised in shock, waiting for the Brick, the book the free-marketers used so many times in other countries, to be opened and used against us. We&#039;re about to be Russianized, kids. Shock them until they&#039;re dazed and uncomprehending, then hit them with &quot;reforms&quot; too fast to follow until that perfect market is achieved, and half the country - actually, more - is made destitute and invisible. 

At least, that&#039;s how it usually went. Here&#039;s hoping Obama doesn&#039;t listen to the Chicago School Boys, as so many did before.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like a man who has spent seven years in a bomb shelter, who is now opening the hatch into a new, strange world.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t watched TV or flown on a plane since the year 2000. I stopped listening to radio in 2001 when a favorite Sunday morning radio piece on NPR was shrilly, angrily calling anyone who questioned Bush&#8217;s war on Iraq a traitor. And that was the LIBERAL. I knew my country had gone insane.</p>
<p>Point: I am in a world of people who can&#8217;t process data. </p>
<p>At least America, some of them, are figuring out that there is no &#8220;terrorist&#8221; threat that requires our complete and utter devotion and treasury.</p>
<p>While America was looking for box cutters like a vampire counting beans, I watched the debt climb into Death&#8217;s country. I watched the tax cuts and the insane military spending drive us into China&#8217;s newly moneyed arms. I watched a Forever War making many rich and bankrupting the nation.</p>
<p>I watched the housing bubble and cried havoc. I warned people that it would burst and take out all the &#8220;wealth&#8221; that we thought we had made since 2000.</p>
<p>I saw the derivative market grow; I heard Buffet warn us that it would destroy us. Where were my people? Watching Iraq being destroyed in yet another Friedmanite takeover of a foreign market.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know about the re-re-re-leveraged mortgage debt, but I should have guessed, watching my mortgage change hands so many times. </p>
<p>This wasn&#8217;t a surprise, this depression. Not only have we made our castle of money on a hill of derivatives sand, but we happily sent our industry overseas while giving the finger to the unions. Pension funds were outright stolen to fund corporations to overwhelming approval. Bankruptcy was made almost impossible for a normal human to use. All it took was a match. And the oil companies and the traders that finance them lit the match.</p>
<p>We watched in puzzlement as oil and commodity prices, set by casinos, when into the danger range. We watched jobs disappear, and almost no one connected the next dot, which was a wave of default and foreclosure. The match lit the can of gasoline.</p>
<p>Financial engineers had packaged mortgage debt and sold it as AAA rated investments to the entire world, and everyone made out like bandits. But the insurance company, AIG, which was Too Big To Fail, was unregulated and did not have to actually have the ability to cover losses if a wave of foreclosures hit. The gasoline can started the neighborhood on fire.</p>
<p>Everyone assumed bubbles go on forever. For the Smartest Men in the Room, who got out early and are now posed to buy our country for pennies on the dollar, this has been a raging success. You all are not processing this: this is Disaster Capitalism. They made a fortune, and now the disaster they made is the opportunity to buy us cheaply. And here&#8217;s what is making people so surprised and puzzled: they are being gifted with 8 trillion of our money,with no strings, to buy us up with. Truly, it is good to be Milton Friedman&#8217;s Chicago Boys. After Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, Indonesia, Poland, China and Russia, the United States of America is now similarly poised in shock, waiting for the Brick, the book the free-marketers used so many times in other countries, to be opened and used against us. We&#8217;re about to be Russianized, kids. Shock them until they&#8217;re dazed and uncomprehending, then hit them with &#8220;reforms&#8221; too fast to follow until that perfect market is achieved, and half the country &#8211; actually, more &#8211; is made destitute and invisible. </p>
<p>At least, that&#8217;s how it usually went. Here&#8217;s hoping Obama doesn&#8217;t listen to the Chicago School Boys, as so many did before.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339544</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is a Chicago school alumnus.
There is a reason your police/military is well equipped, and it is not to defend you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a Chicago school alumnus.<br />
There is a reason your police/military is well equipped, and it is not to defend you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thorzdad</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339803</link>
		<dc:creator>Thorzdad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contrast CNN&#039;s befuddlement with Charlie Rose&#039;s constant pity-party for all the poor, suffering Wall Street investment houses. 
It seems that, ever since the shit hit the fan, his show has been one long sob-song for Wall Street, featuring economist after economist extolling the virtues of throwing as much fed money at Wall Street as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contrast CNN&#8217;s befuddlement with Charlie Rose&#8217;s constant pity-party for all the poor, suffering Wall Street investment houses.<br />
It seems that, ever since the shit hit the fan, his show has been one long sob-song for Wall Street, featuring economist after economist extolling the virtues of throwing as much fed money at Wall Street as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Canuck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Canuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and catbeller, you&#039;re right.
And TV is a big part of the problem.
Reagan gave America the Fox network, while dismantling the equal-time rule.
None of this is co-incidence. Your leaders torture and order killings without trial already for &quot;foreigners&quot;. How long before these &quot;powers&quot; get a domestic try-out?
Remind me again what the numbers show about prisons and population in the USA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and catbeller, you&#8217;re right.<br />
And TV is a big part of the problem.<br />
Reagan gave America the Fox network, while dismantling the equal-time rule.<br />
None of this is co-incidence. Your leaders torture and order killings without trial already for &#8220;foreigners&#8221;. How long before these &#8220;powers&#8221; get a domestic try-out?<br />
Remind me again what the numbers show about prisons and population in the USA?</p>
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		<title>By: Deviant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/11/25/why-cnn-struggles-to.html#comment-339549</link>
		<dc:creator>Deviant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugly Canuck, you&#039;re almost completely wrong on each of your points.

&lt;i&gt;The only thing that triggered this crash was high oil prices caused by runaway speculation, on the back of the US&#039;s destruction of Iraq.&lt;/i&gt;

A drag on the economy, for sure, but the crash(es) were caused by phantom value mortgage derivatives, plain and simple.

&lt;i&gt;Oil speculators and companies enjoying the biggest profits ever&lt;/i&gt;

Since the oil companies&#039; books are open to the public, we can see that they were paying massively increased prices themselves and not the source of the markup. Their margins are actually quite small--they just happen to be gargantuan companies.

&lt;i&gt;Wall street&#039;s &quot;finest&quot; having all of their losses (and then some) re-imbursed by the Federal Gov., no questions or details allowed&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s not even remotely accurate. For example, Joseph Lewis bought roughly 7% of Bear Stearns before it collapsed for almost a billion dollars. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsweek.com/id/145741?tid=relatedcl&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He lost over 90% of that investment.&lt;/a&gt; That same story, on a much smaller scale, is everywhere in the financial sector.

You&#039;re angry. We all are. But misinformation isn&#039;t helpful to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugly Canuck, you&#8217;re almost completely wrong on each of your points.</p>
<p><i>The only thing that triggered this crash was high oil prices caused by runaway speculation, on the back of the US&#8217;s destruction of Iraq.</i></p>
<p>A drag on the economy, for sure, but the crash(es) were caused by phantom value mortgage derivatives, plain and simple.</p>
<p><i>Oil speculators and companies enjoying the biggest profits ever</i></p>
<p>Since the oil companies&#8217; books are open to the public, we can see that they were paying massively increased prices themselves and not the source of the markup. Their margins are actually quite small&#8211;they just happen to be gargantuan companies.</p>
<p><i>Wall street&#8217;s &#8220;finest&#8221; having all of their losses (and then some) re-imbursed by the Federal Gov., no questions or details allowed</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not even remotely accurate. For example, Joseph Lewis bought roughly 7% of Bear Stearns before it collapsed for almost a billion dollars. <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/145741?tid=relatedcl" rel="nofollow">He lost over 90% of that investment.</a> That same story, on a much smaller scale, is everywhere in the financial sector.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re angry. We all are. But misinformation isn&#8217;t helpful to anyone.</p>
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