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		<title>By: danegeld</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348677</link>
		<dc:creator>danegeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pedant alert: fallen</description>
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		<title>By: Oren Beck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348936</link>
		<dc:creator>Oren Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose rethinking the use of oil as a fuel at all.

Petrochemistry is to many Non-combustion energy systems as calcium is to human bone. Plastics in wind farms or tide and wave motors. Plastics as substrate for photovoltaic panels harvesting thermal energy while cooling the PV cells. Plastics for greenhouses attached to living spaces as &quot;Arcology&quot; 

The list is truly inspiring if we rethink what we use plastics for. 
And we&#039;ve some Graduates to convince. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose rethinking the use of oil as a fuel at all.</p>
<p>Petrochemistry is to many Non-combustion energy systems as calcium is to human bone. Plastics in wind farms or tide and wave motors. Plastics as substrate for photovoltaic panels harvesting thermal energy while cooling the PV cells. Plastics for greenhouses attached to living spaces as &#8220;Arcology&#8221; </p>
<p>The list is truly inspiring if we rethink what we use plastics for.<br />
And we&#8217;ve some Graduates to convince. </p>
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		<title>By: Tenn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348682</link>
		<dc:creator>Tenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No denying times is hard, sir
Even harder than the worst pies in London!
Only lard and nothing more --
Is that just revolting,
All greasy and gritty?
It looks like it&#039;s molting,
And tastes like,
Well, pity
A woman alone,
With limited wind,
And the worst pies in London!
Ah, sir, times is hard,
Times is hard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No denying times is hard, sir<br />
Even harder than the worst pies in London!<br />
Only lard and nothing more &#8211;<br />
Is that just revolting,<br />
All greasy and gritty?<br />
It looks like it&#8217;s molting,<br />
And tastes like,<br />
Well, pity<br />
A woman alone,<br />
With limited wind,<br />
And the worst pies in London!<br />
Ah, sir, times is hard,<br />
Times is hard!</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348938</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>been watching these guys,
http://www.nanosolar.com/
hope springs eternal and all that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>been watching these guys,<br />
<a href="http://www.nanosolar.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nanosolar.com/</a><br />
hope springs eternal and all that</p>
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		<title>By: the23skidoo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348941</link>
		<dc:creator>the23skidoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is time for a year of jubilee in the US.

1.  Eliminate the credit card via act of congress and allow only charge cards.

2.  Forgive Student Loans

3.  Eliminate 3rd World Debt

Add VAT in the amount of 10% to finance all of the above.

4.  Require 25% of 401K funds to be invested in US Treasuries to reduce dependence upon foreign cash.

And that&#039;s just a good beginning to turn around the &#039;American Way&#039;. . .


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is time for a year of jubilee in the US.</p>
<p>1.  Eliminate the credit card via act of congress and allow only charge cards.</p>
<p>2.  Forgive Student Loans</p>
<p>3.  Eliminate 3rd World Debt</p>
<p>Add VAT in the amount of 10% to finance all of the above.</p>
<p>4.  Require 25% of 401K funds to be invested in US Treasuries to reduce dependence upon foreign cash.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s just a good beginning to turn around the &#8216;American Way&#8217;. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Tenn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348948</link>
		<dc:creator>Tenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;1. Eliminate the credit card via act of congress and allow only charge cards.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sorry, whaaaaaaaaat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>1. Eliminate the credit card via act of congress and allow only charge cards.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, whaaaaaaaaat.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348951</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he means &quot;debit&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he means &#8220;debit&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mythusmage</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348961</link>
		<dc:creator>mythusmage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Soviet Union did not have a flexible system, they could not adapt quickly to a change in circumstances. The U.S. has a flexible system, with some exceptions. When changes come U.S. industry makes adjustments. Oil ever went to $300.00 a barrel you would see changes, in some cases overnight.

The U.S. triggered collapse in oil prices worked because of the Soviet Union&#039;s unique situation. Had the situation been different, the result would&#039;ve been different as well.

And note how Russia has not adapted to the drop in oil prices today. Many of the same flaws that crippled the Soviet economy still bedevil the Russian economy today. Bureaucratic inertia, excessive regulation, plus a failing infrastructure and a falling population means a system ill prepared for change. If anything Russia is even more vulnerable now than back in the late 80s. Changes are coming for Russia, and they won&#039;t be good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Soviet Union did not have a flexible system, they could not adapt quickly to a change in circumstances. The U.S. has a flexible system, with some exceptions. When changes come U.S. industry makes adjustments. Oil ever went to $300.00 a barrel you would see changes, in some cases overnight.</p>
<p>The U.S. triggered collapse in oil prices worked because of the Soviet Union&#8217;s unique situation. Had the situation been different, the result would&#8217;ve been different as well.</p>
<p>And note how Russia has not adapted to the drop in oil prices today. Many of the same flaws that crippled the Soviet economy still bedevil the Russian economy today. Bureaucratic inertia, excessive regulation, plus a failing infrastructure and a falling population means a system ill prepared for change. If anything Russia is even more vulnerable now than back in the late 80s. Changes are coming for Russia, and they won&#8217;t be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex_M</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348710</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex_M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So it was the Saudi&#039;s decision to open the taps that brought down the Soviet Union, and the election of Gorbachev six months earlier had less to do with it?

The Soviet Union brought itself down. Oil politics and Cold War politics may have accelerated the process, but I think the bottom line is that the time had run out. People were fed up with the combination of economic stagnation (which had persisted since the 70&#039;s) and the lack of freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it was the Saudi&#8217;s decision to open the taps that brought down the Soviet Union, and the election of Gorbachev six months earlier had less to do with it?</p>
<p>The Soviet Union brought itself down. Oil politics and Cold War politics may have accelerated the process, but I think the bottom line is that the time had run out. People were fed up with the combination of economic stagnation (which had persisted since the 70&#8242;s) and the lack of freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Oren Beck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348970</link>
		<dc:creator>Oren Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nanosolar is to be on one hand commended for what they have accomplished. On another hand we have their remaining a private company. With a third hand &quot;Gripping hand?&quot; of keeping their tech &quot;Trade Secret&quot; as being inherently price fixing. I do not begrudge legitimate profits nor a right to retain &quot;ownership&quot; of a process. Yet it would seem that selling access to their tech would make a larger financial return over time. As in a royalty of X cents per Square Meter of audited cell sales. Talk about money for nothing.






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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nanosolar is to be on one hand commended for what they have accomplished. On another hand we have their remaining a private company. With a third hand &#8220;Gripping hand?&#8221; of keeping their tech &#8220;Trade Secret&#8221; as being inherently price fixing. I do not begrudge legitimate profits nor a right to retain &#8220;ownership&#8221; of a process. Yet it would seem that selling access to their tech would make a larger financial return over time. As in a royalty of X cents per Square Meter of audited cell sales. Talk about money for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: BiasedMark</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348724</link>
		<dc:creator>BiasedMark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soconnor correctly points out that external pressures had a great deal to do with the Soviet collapse as did internal problems.  It&#039;s impossible to determine precisely the ratio of significance, but undoubtedly both occurred.  The attempt by many post-Soviet Russian historians and economists to remove all credit whatsoever from the West is easily as absurd as the attempt by Reagan-worshipers to give him credit for single-handedly bringing the Soviets down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soconnor correctly points out that external pressures had a great deal to do with the Soviet collapse as did internal problems.  It&#8217;s impossible to determine precisely the ratio of significance, but undoubtedly both occurred.  The attempt by many post-Soviet Russian historians and economists to remove all credit whatsoever from the West is easily as absurd as the attempt by Reagan-worshipers to give him credit for single-handedly bringing the Soviets down.</p>
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		<title>By: jetfx</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348983</link>
		<dc:creator>jetfx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the article says more about the flaws of inflexible central planning than how dangerous fluctuations the price of oil are. For all the commentators above me, the US is not at all in a similar situation to the USSR 20 years ago. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the article says more about the flaws of inflexible central planning than how dangerous fluctuations the price of oil are. For all the commentators above me, the US is not at all in a similar situation to the USSR 20 years ago. </p>
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		<title>By: Keeper of the Lantern</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348729</link>
		<dc:creator>Keeper of the Lantern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Soconner:

So who decided to collapse The Evil Empire Jr, or was it just an accident?

Guess the only obvious cure is to launch a war on Iran.


As for lack of freedom in the old Soviet Union, some of my colleagues back when I worked in Telecom pointed out that, even though they didn&#039;t have a lot of political freedom, in their place of employment they had a lot more say than in any US company. (Not saying this is worse or better, but they did seem to believe that they experienced more freedom on a daily basis than they ever did in the US.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soconner:</p>
<p>So who decided to collapse The Evil Empire Jr, or was it just an accident?</p>
<p>Guess the only obvious cure is to launch a war on Iran.</p>
<p>As for lack of freedom in the old Soviet Union, some of my colleagues back when I worked in Telecom pointed out that, even though they didn&#8217;t have a lot of political freedom, in their place of employment they had a lot more say than in any US company. (Not saying this is worse or better, but they did seem to believe that they experienced more freedom on a daily basis than they ever did in the US.)</p>
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		<title>By: the23skidoo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348987</link>
		<dc:creator>the23skidoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely mean an elimination of credit cards via the regulatory controls that define usury.  People spend more when they use a credit card then they do when they spend cash.  I know, I was a banker for 10 years for one of the best banks in the world, but since left that world more than 5 years ago.  Credit cards produce more wasteful spending than any other financial product ever created.

The economy although complex still operates like any system - Input, Process, Output.

Changing simple rules regarding credit, incentive toward education and investment have profound impacts globally.

A jubilee would benefit hundreds of millions and at a lower cost than most of the current bailouts proposed.  When the incentive to produce is restored to hundreds of millions, economies can expand very quickly.

Thus, credit cards - gone, student loans - gone, 3rd World Debt - gone and internal financing of public debt.  All paid for with 10% VAT and regulation of retirement accounts.

These issues go to the heart of consumption which drives the demand for oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely mean an elimination of credit cards via the regulatory controls that define usury.  People spend more when they use a credit card then they do when they spend cash.  I know, I was a banker for 10 years for one of the best banks in the world, but since left that world more than 5 years ago.  Credit cards produce more wasteful spending than any other financial product ever created.</p>
<p>The economy although complex still operates like any system &#8211; Input, Process, Output.</p>
<p>Changing simple rules regarding credit, incentive toward education and investment have profound impacts globally.</p>
<p>A jubilee would benefit hundreds of millions and at a lower cost than most of the current bailouts proposed.  When the incentive to produce is restored to hundreds of millions, economies can expand very quickly.</p>
<p>Thus, credit cards &#8211; gone, student loans &#8211; gone, 3rd World Debt &#8211; gone and internal financing of public debt.  All paid for with 10% VAT and regulation of retirement accounts.</p>
<p>These issues go to the heart of consumption which drives the demand for oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348989</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a little history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_Dossier</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a little history<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_Dossier" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farewell_Dossier</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oren Beck</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348994</link>
		<dc:creator>Oren Beck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, does the multiple doublecrossing of that Dossier sabotage then explain Vista? A willful placement of intentionally damaged code? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, does the multiple doublecrossing of that Dossier sabotage then explain Vista? A willful placement of intentionally damaged code? </p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-349002</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, Gates is actually a sleeper. Jobs is North Korean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, Gates is actually a sleeper. Jobs is North Korean.</p>
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		<title>By: morganw</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348755</link>
		<dc:creator>morganw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the collapse was perpetrated on purpose by some actions that were secret, but that had public and dramatic outcomes.  It might have been more obvious what was going on if the rise of Solidarity and Saudi Oil price drops were seen to have a common cause rather than just a coincidence, but how was Long Term Capital Management caught so unaware?

Did they ignore political news focussing only on economic results?  It seems that these days, a group of analysts in the CIA model should be a core component of a hedge fund.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the collapse was perpetrated on purpose by some actions that were secret, but that had public and dramatic outcomes.  It might have been more obvious what was going on if the rise of Solidarity and Saudi Oil price drops were seen to have a common cause rather than just a coincidence, but how was Long Term Capital Management caught so unaware?</p>
<p>Did they ignore political news focussing only on economic results?  It seems that these days, a group of analysts in the CIA model should be a core component of a hedge fund.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348762</link>
		<dc:creator>Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because oil consumption matters more than production to English-speaking countries&quot; In terms of price this has only been the case recently because the economic crisis hit oil producing nations, too, and they can&#039;t cut production or they&#039;ll stop making money they so desperately rely on. This is a recent development, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because oil consumption matters more than production to English-speaking countries&#8221; In terms of price this has only been the case recently because the economic crisis hit oil producing nations, too, and they can&#8217;t cut production or they&#8217;ll stop making money they so desperately rely on. This is a recent development, though.</p>
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		<title>By: cshirky</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348763</link>
		<dc:creator>cshirky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danegeld, thanks, fixed.

Alex M @11: &lt;i&gt;So it was the Saudi&#039;s decision to open the taps that brought down the Soviet Union, and the election of Gorbachev six months earlier had less to do with it?&lt;/i&gt;

Yes. 

That is main point of the article, written by someone who was part of the Soviet system. In fact, the article is set out specifically as a response to people who hold the belief you seem to, namely that the Soviet system &quot;brought itself down&quot;, something it plainly didn&#039;t do, given that the collapse of European Communism started with demands for freedom in the client states, not at the core.

I&#039;m going to guess, given your comment, that you haven&#039;t actually read the essay. You should -- it&#039;s quite good, and provides a much more nuanced view of things like economic stagnation, which, Gaidar makes clear, was by no means limited to, or even mainly concentrated in the 1970s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danegeld, thanks, fixed.</p>
<p>Alex M @11: <i>So it was the Saudi&#8217;s decision to open the taps that brought down the Soviet Union, and the election of Gorbachev six months earlier had less to do with it?</i></p>
<p>Yes. </p>
<p>That is main point of the article, written by someone who was part of the Soviet system. In fact, the article is set out specifically as a response to people who hold the belief you seem to, namely that the Soviet system &#8220;brought itself down&#8221;, something it plainly didn&#8217;t do, given that the collapse of European Communism started with demands for freedom in the client states, not at the core.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to guess, given your comment, that you haven&#8217;t actually read the essay. You should &#8212; it&#8217;s quite good, and provides a much more nuanced view of things like economic stagnation, which, Gaidar makes clear, was by no means limited to, or even mainly concentrated in the 1970s.</p>
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		<title>By: the23skidoo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-349531</link>
		<dc:creator>the23skidoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@46 - Takuan,

The article from the Wall Street Journal describes the AMEX problem more clearly.

They made &quot; . . .AmEx made a big push in the past couple of years to let many of its customers keep a balance and pay the interest that accumulates&quot;

In other words they got into the same silly game that Visa and MC have been playing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122446082980748593.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

There charge cards are still doing well compared with their credit cards.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@46 &#8211; Takuan,</p>
<p>The article from the Wall Street Journal describes the AMEX problem more clearly.</p>
<p>They made &#8221; . . .AmEx made a big push in the past couple of years to let many of its customers keep a balance and pay the interest that accumulates&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words they got into the same silly game that Visa and MC have been playing.</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122446082980748593.html?mod=googlenews_wsj" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122446082980748593.html?mod=googlenews_wsj</a></p>
<p>There charge cards are still doing well compared with their credit cards.</p>
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		<title>By: the23skidoo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-349549</link>
		<dc:creator>the23skidoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ps.  Please forgive the grammar errors above, I should really go to sleep now. . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ps.  Please forgive the grammar errors above, I should really go to sleep now. . .</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Six</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-349040</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Six</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing the Soviets never clued into:

Devaluing currencies against the price of bullion to exit the depression:

http://seekingalpha.com/article/109210-the-manipulation-of-gold-prices

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/the-g-20s-secret-debt-solution-27996

F6

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing the Soviets never clued into:</p>
<p>Devaluing currencies against the price of bullion to exit the depression:</p>
<p><a href="http://seekingalpha.com/article/109210-the-manipulation-of-gold-prices" rel="nofollow">http://seekingalpha.com/article/109210-the-manipulation-of-gold-prices</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/the-g-20s-secret-debt-solution-27996" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/the-g-20s-secret-debt-solution-27996</a></p>
<p>F6</p>
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		<title>By: Fran Six</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-349044</link>
		<dc:creator>Fran Six</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two long term price projections for bullion prices:

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/hoye/hoye120705.html

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Field/dec022008.html

Do you understand what we&#039;re talking about now?

F6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two long term price projections for bullion prices:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.321gold.com/editorials/hoye/hoye120705.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.321gold.com/editorials/hoye/hoye120705.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.kitco.com/ind/Field/dec022008.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kitco.com/ind/Field/dec022008.html</a></p>
<p>Do you understand what we&#8217;re talking about now?</p>
<p>F6</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: #30 posted by the23skidoo:

Let&#039;s consider your post, line by line:

&lt;i&gt;It is time for a year of jubilee in the US.&lt;/i&gt;

We&#039;ll see...

&lt;i&gt;1. Eliminate the credit card via act of congress and allow only charge cards.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, so everyone can only buy what they can afford right now? That won&#039;t &quot;grow&quot; the economy.

&lt;i&gt;2. Forgive Student Loans&lt;/i&gt;

To accomplish what? Take the pressure of the barrista at the local Starbucks?

&lt;i&gt;3. Eliminate 3rd World Debt&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, we&#039;ll stop giving those poor folks money - they never pay us back anyway...

&lt;i&gt;Add VAT in the amount of 10% to finance all of the above.&lt;/i&gt;

You seriously think that will cover the tab for the above? Do you have any idea the amount of student loans and third world debt?

&lt;i&gt;4. Require 25% of 401K funds to be invested in US Treasuries to reduce dependence upon foreign cash.&lt;/i&gt;

You understand that Treasuries are federal debt obligations, so you are requiring taxpayers to buy their own debt, and pay themselves interest on the debt they just bought though their tax payments, right?

&lt;i&gt;And that&#039;s just a good beginning to turn around the &#039;American Way&#039;. . .&lt;/i&gt;

Well, that could be the &quot;change&quot; we were promised...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: #30 posted by the23skidoo:</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider your post, line by line:</p>
<p><i>It is time for a year of jubilee in the US.</i></p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see&#8230;</p>
<p><i>1. Eliminate the credit card via act of congress and allow only charge cards.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, so everyone can only buy what they can afford right now? That won&#8217;t &#8220;grow&#8221; the economy.</p>
<p><i>2. Forgive Student Loans</i></p>
<p>To accomplish what? Take the pressure of the barrista at the local Starbucks?</p>
<p><i>3. Eliminate 3rd World Debt</i></p>
<p>Yeah, we&#8217;ll stop giving those poor folks money &#8211; they never pay us back anyway&#8230;</p>
<p><i>Add VAT in the amount of 10% to finance all of the above.</i></p>
<p>You seriously think that will cover the tab for the above? Do you have any idea the amount of student loans and third world debt?</p>
<p><i>4. Require 25% of 401K funds to be invested in US Treasuries to reduce dependence upon foreign cash.</i></p>
<p>You understand that Treasuries are federal debt obligations, so you are requiring taxpayers to buy their own debt, and pay themselves interest on the debt they just bought though their tax payments, right?</p>
<p><i>And that&#8217;s just a good beginning to turn around the &#8216;American Way&#8217;. . .</i></p>
<p>Well, that could be the &#8220;change&#8221; we were promised&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-349048</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>big players will make out whether they have gold, guns, drugs, favors, whatever.  Little players couldn&#039;t buy  enough gold or anything to make any difference. Which leaves the few in the middle who can&#039;t/won&#039;t understand what you&#039;ve posted and don&#039;t matter anyway since there are so few of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big players will make out whether they have gold, guns, drugs, favors, whatever.  Little players couldn&#8217;t buy  enough gold or anything to make any difference. Which leaves the few in the middle who can&#8217;t/won&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;ve posted and don&#8217;t matter anyway since there are so few of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Doner</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348840</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Doner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#3, The role of hydrocarbons - methane, specifically - in the production of nitrogen fertilizer is to provide hydrogen. However this isn&#039;t the only way to make nitrogen fertilizer, just the cheapest (at present). The necessary hydrogen can be provided by electrolysis of water, and this method has been used in the past to make fertilizer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process
So while the US is pretty well hooked on hydrocarbons, the &quot;existential ramifications&quot; you allude to are not quite so dire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#3, The role of hydrocarbons &#8211; methane, specifically &#8211; in the production of nitrogen fertilizer is to provide hydrogen. However this isn&#8217;t the only way to make nitrogen fertilizer, just the cheapest (at present). The necessary hydrogen can be provided by electrolysis of water, and this method has been used in the past to make fertilizer.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haber_process</a><br />
So while the US is pretty well hooked on hydrocarbons, the &#8220;existential ramifications&#8221; you allude to are not quite so dire.</p>
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		<title>By: soconnor</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348587</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI: the &quot;sudden and drastic&quot; Saudi decision to drop the oil prices in 1985 was part of the Reagan administration&#039;s strategy to bleed the USSR. Cap Weinberger (Def Sect) and Bill Casey (the CIA Dir.) promised the Saudi&#039;s AWACS planes if they did it.

Freedom to millions over here where I live (Moscow) did not just happen. We can actually give credit where credit is due for once. 

Reagan and his team also restricted Soviet access to Western credit and technology, while they covertly gave financial and logistical support to Poland&#039;s Solidarity movement (with help from the Vatican, Israel&#039;s Secret service and the Swedes). Reagan also directly helped the Czech underground. But most importantly the campaign to slash Soviet hard currency earnings by driving down the price of oil (with full Saudi cooperation) and the substantial covert aid to the Afghan resistance fighting the Soviet invasion is the reason the Evil Empire landed on the ash heap of history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: the &#8220;sudden and drastic&#8221; Saudi decision to drop the oil prices in 1985 was part of the Reagan administration&#8217;s strategy to bleed the USSR. Cap Weinberger (Def Sect) and Bill Casey (the CIA Dir.) promised the Saudi&#8217;s AWACS planes if they did it.</p>
<p>Freedom to millions over here where I live (Moscow) did not just happen. We can actually give credit where credit is due for once. </p>
<p>Reagan and his team also restricted Soviet access to Western credit and technology, while they covertly gave financial and logistical support to Poland&#8217;s Solidarity movement (with help from the Vatican, Israel&#8217;s Secret service and the Swedes). Reagan also directly helped the Czech underground. But most importantly the campaign to slash Soviet hard currency earnings by driving down the price of oil (with full Saudi cooperation) and the substantial covert aid to the Afghan resistance fighting the Soviet invasion is the reason the Evil Empire landed on the ash heap of history.</p>
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		<title>By: danegeld</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348848</link>
		<dc:creator>danegeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;ll be interesting to see what happens in the USA, e.g. the US government (and also the UK government) is now borrowing as much as possible, while their credit rating is still worth anything.

How is the USA going to avoid going through a similar collapse to the USSR? 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see what happens in the USA, e.g. the US government (and also the UK government) is now borrowing as much as possible, while their credit rating is still worth anything.</p>
<p>How is the USA going to avoid going through a similar collapse to the USSR? </p>
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		<title>By: c0nn0r</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/06/the-price-of-oil-in.html#comment-348855</link>
		<dc:creator>c0nn0r</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came here looking for a graph and was sorely disappointed.</description>
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