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	<title>Comments on: Should employers discriminate against World of Warcraft&#160;players?</title>
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		<title>By: gollux</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357380</link>
		<dc:creator>gollux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umm, isn&#039;t this kind of information of a personal nature that shouldn&#039;t be volunteered in the first place? It doesn&#039;t have anything to do with whether you can perform the job or not. I know of plenty of other hobbies that are distracting enough that they could be used as an excuse not to hire. Intense sport fanatics come to mind, there are days when no work gets done around here while everyone sits around comparing stats and choosing what square in the pool to fill out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umm, isn&#8217;t this kind of information of a personal nature that shouldn&#8217;t be volunteered in the first place? It doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with whether you can perform the job or not. I know of plenty of other hobbies that are distracting enough that they could be used as an excuse not to hire. Intense sport fanatics come to mind, there are days when no work gets done around here while everyone sits around comparing stats and choosing what square in the pool to fill out.</p>
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		<title>By: ivan256</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357645</link>
		<dc:creator>ivan256</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@BDGBILL:

Crap! I did that too... Moved my furniture, ran a proxy server... But not for fantasy football or WoW... I did it for BoingBoing, Google News, and Slashdot.

Fortunately for me my employer judges me based on what I get done, and not some other random metric. On some days I may not get any work done at all, but in aggregate I accomplish as much or more than my co-workers.

I agree, though, that it&#039;s dumb to put &quot;hobbies&quot; on your resume. Unless the hobbies are directly related to your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BDGBILL:</p>
<p>Crap! I did that too&#8230; Moved my furniture, ran a proxy server&#8230; But not for fantasy football or WoW&#8230; I did it for BoingBoing, Google News, and Slashdot.</p>
<p>Fortunately for me my employer judges me based on what I get done, and not some other random metric. On some days I may not get any work done at all, but in aggregate I accomplish as much or more than my co-workers.</p>
<p>I agree, though, that it&#8217;s dumb to put &#8220;hobbies&#8221; on your resume. Unless the hobbies are directly related to your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357648</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BDGBill, this is completely anecdotal, but my father says that when he interviews people, he likes it when they list a few hobbies on their resume, because it gives him a good icebreaker to get them to relax and open up in the interview.  (He&#039;s not in HR, though; he only gets resumes for people who have already been called for an interview in his department.)  YMMV.

That said, I would probably not list WoW or sports fantasy leagues as hobbies on my resume (neither of those are actual hobbies of mine, but if they were).  I&#039;d list the hobbies that make me sound smart, useful, or cultured, if I was going to list any hobbies at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BDGBill, this is completely anecdotal, but my father says that when he interviews people, he likes it when they list a few hobbies on their resume, because it gives him a good icebreaker to get them to relax and open up in the interview.  (He&#8217;s not in HR, though; he only gets resumes for people who have already been called for an interview in his department.)  YMMV.</p>
<p>That said, I would probably not list WoW or sports fantasy leagues as hobbies on my resume (neither of those are actual hobbies of mine, but if they were).  I&#8217;d list the hobbies that make me sound smart, useful, or cultured, if I was going to list any hobbies at all.</p>
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		<title>By: 0xdeadbeef</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357395</link>
		<dc:creator>0xdeadbeef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What nonsense. With WoW, life has purpose, and work serves that purpose by providing everything necessary to play WoW.

Without WoW, life has no purpose, and work is a mindless drudgery punctuated by the periods of sleep and apathy that is not WoW.

God, how I wish there was a harder drug than WoW.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What nonsense. With WoW, life has purpose, and work serves that purpose by providing everything necessary to play WoW.</p>
<p>Without WoW, life has no purpose, and work is a mindless drudgery punctuated by the periods of sleep and apathy that is not WoW.</p>
<p>God, how I wish there was a harder drug than WoW.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-358934</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the sign said &quot;WoW freaky people need not apply&quot;
So I covered my Horde tatoo and I went in to ask him why
He said &quot;You look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you&#039;ll do&quot;
So I rolled up my sleeve, I said &quot;Imagine that. Huh! Me workin&#039; for you!&quot;
Whoa-oh-oh

Sign, sign, everywhere a sign
Blockin&#039; out the scenery, breakin&#039; my mind
Do this, don&#039;t do that, can&#039;t you read the sign?
Hey wait that one has a quest!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the sign said &#8220;WoW freaky people need not apply&#8221;<br />
So I covered my Horde tatoo and I went in to ask him why<br />
He said &#8220;You look like a fine upstanding young man, I think you&#8217;ll do&#8221;<br />
So I rolled up my sleeve, I said &#8220;Imagine that. Huh! Me workin&#8217; for you!&#8221;<br />
Whoa-oh-oh</p>
<p>Sign, sign, everywhere a sign<br />
Blockin&#8217; out the scenery, breakin&#8217; my mind<br />
Do this, don&#8217;t do that, can&#8217;t you read the sign?<br />
Hey wait that one has a quest!</p>
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		<title>By: Random_Tangent</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357401</link>
		<dc:creator>Random_Tangent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had to send a WoW Armory link with my resume to get my current job.

Diff&#039;rent strokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had to send a WoW Armory link with my resume to get my current job.</p>
<p>Diff&#8217;rent strokes.</p>
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		<title>By: sproing3</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357402</link>
		<dc:creator>sproing3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting aside the question of whether such personal information is private enough to be considered none of the employers business, I&#039;m sure it could be very job relevant.  Some people find gaming as serious an addiction as gambling.  I once dated a girl who would disappear for days to the Tantra-Online net cafe.  She&#039;d sleep and eat in the chair.  Other than food and sex, she took pleasure in little else than her game.  She&#039;d been playing for years.  That kind of addiction is bound to affect how much you can give to your job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting aside the question of whether such personal information is private enough to be considered none of the employers business, I&#8217;m sure it could be very job relevant.  Some people find gaming as serious an addiction as gambling.  I once dated a girl who would disappear for days to the Tantra-Online net cafe.  She&#8217;d sleep and eat in the chair.  Other than food and sex, she took pleasure in little else than her game.  She&#8217;d been playing for years.  That kind of addiction is bound to affect how much you can give to your job.</p>
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		<title>By: mgfarrelly</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357404</link>
		<dc:creator>mgfarrelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the sports fans? The kind who suddenly become very interested in the health of the company network when March Madness rolls around? The kind of fans who stay up late watching Sports Center or out at a sports bar or at a sporting event? Why, it sounds like sports fans could be very unproductive. Must exclude them.

This recruiter sounds like they are working for people who read &quot;some article online&quot; about how &quot;Warcrafting is dangerous&quot;. Let&#039;s hope they don&#039;t read about soccer hooligans. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the sports fans? The kind who suddenly become very interested in the health of the company network when March Madness rolls around? The kind of fans who stay up late watching Sports Center or out at a sports bar or at a sporting event? Why, it sounds like sports fans could be very unproductive. Must exclude them.</p>
<p>This recruiter sounds like they are working for people who read &#8220;some article online&#8221; about how &#8220;Warcrafting is dangerous&#8221;. Let&#8217;s hope they don&#8217;t read about soccer hooligans. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357406</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who wants to work for a boss who uses profiling like this in the hiring process because s/he&#039;s too dense or wimpy to fire employees who don&#039;t do their jobs? If evaluating and firing employees is a normal part of management, exactly who is it that&#039;s not doing his/her job in this scenario?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who wants to work for a boss who uses profiling like this in the hiring process because s/he&#8217;s too dense or wimpy to fire employees who don&#8217;t do their jobs? If evaluating and firing employees is a normal part of management, exactly who is it that&#8217;s not doing his/her job in this scenario?</p>
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		<title>By: hungryjoe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357923</link>
		<dc:creator>hungryjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know of four WoW players.  At the height of their gaming, all four sunk more than three hours a day into the game.  In every case it affected their performance on the job.

One of those instances worked directly for me.  I was ultimately forced to fire him for absenteeism, but I couldn&#039;t say whether it was related to his gaming habit or his drug use.

I guess that speaks to the addictive personality issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of four WoW players.  At the height of their gaming, all four sunk more than three hours a day into the game.  In every case it affected their performance on the job.</p>
<p>One of those instances worked directly for me.  I was ultimately forced to fire him for absenteeism, but I couldn&#8217;t say whether it was related to his gaming habit or his drug use.</p>
<p>I guess that speaks to the addictive personality issue.</p>
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		<title>By: SKR</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357671</link>
		<dc:creator>SKR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interviewer: Do you play World of Warcraft?

SKR: Absolutely not.
     &lt;i&gt;Please don&#039;t ask about EVE.
     Please don&#039;t ask about EVE.
     Please don&#039;t ask about EVE.&lt;/i&gt;

Interviewer: Great, when can you start.

SKR: On Monday.
     &lt;i&gt;but I have a fleet battle on Friday, so I&#039;m going to take a sick day.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interviewer: Do you play World of Warcraft?</p>
<p>SKR: Absolutely not.<br />
     <i>Please don&#8217;t ask about EVE.<br />
     Please don&#8217;t ask about EVE.<br />
     Please don&#8217;t ask about EVE.</i></p>
<p>Interviewer: Great, when can you start.</p>
<p>SKR: On Monday.<br />
     <i>but I have a fleet battle on Friday, so I&#8217;m going to take a sick day.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Jerril</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357676</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerril</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Around here, the custom is to put hobbies on your resume, along with volunteering and various other extra-curricular activities.

What you do, if you&#039;re any good at resume writing at all, is filter your hobby/interests, and only list the ones that you can ALSO accompany with a short blurb describing what that hobby has taught you that is useful in your prospective work environment, or what quality(ies) it demonstrates that your employer would appreciate.

If you paint watercolours of your cat which you never show to anyone, perhaps don&#039;t list it. But if you paint watercolours and occasionally exhibit or sell them at local craft fairs (especially for charity fundraising), you probably can list it. If you&#039;re going for an IT sector job, you SHOULD list it because it shows you&#039;re a well-rounded person who cares about more than just computers - and therefore should be slightly less insufferable than perhaps the other guy.

If you cycle occasionally, perhaps not. If you&#039;re in a cycling club, list it, and note that you attend regularly and generally have good physical fitness.

I wouldn&#039;t put &quot;WoW Player&quot; on a resume. If I actually served in an officer position for an extended period of time, worked on building raiding team listings and scheduling around raiders availability, that&#039;s a useful management skill and worth commenting on. &quot;Officer for 2 mos (and then burnt out and quit)&quot;, no. &quot;Officer for 2 years&quot;, then yes, but don&#039;t for the love of god list your guilds progression, stress instead the administrative tasks you performed, which are what you actually LEARNED or EXHIBITED that might be relevant to your job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around here, the custom is to put hobbies on your resume, along with volunteering and various other extra-curricular activities.</p>
<p>What you do, if you&#8217;re any good at resume writing at all, is filter your hobby/interests, and only list the ones that you can ALSO accompany with a short blurb describing what that hobby has taught you that is useful in your prospective work environment, or what quality(ies) it demonstrates that your employer would appreciate.</p>
<p>If you paint watercolours of your cat which you never show to anyone, perhaps don&#8217;t list it. But if you paint watercolours and occasionally exhibit or sell them at local craft fairs (especially for charity fundraising), you probably can list it. If you&#8217;re going for an IT sector job, you SHOULD list it because it shows you&#8217;re a well-rounded person who cares about more than just computers &#8211; and therefore should be slightly less insufferable than perhaps the other guy.</p>
<p>If you cycle occasionally, perhaps not. If you&#8217;re in a cycling club, list it, and note that you attend regularly and generally have good physical fitness.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t put &#8220;WoW Player&#8221; on a resume. If I actually served in an officer position for an extended period of time, worked on building raiding team listings and scheduling around raiders availability, that&#8217;s a useful management skill and worth commenting on. &#8220;Officer for 2 mos (and then burnt out and quit)&#8221;, no. &#8220;Officer for 2 years&#8221;, then yes, but don&#8217;t for the love of god list your guilds progression, stress instead the administrative tasks you performed, which are what you actually LEARNED or EXHIBITED that might be relevant to your job.</p>
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		<title>By: shutz</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357677</link>
		<dc:creator>shutz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will people learn that all-or-nothing rules like that are stupid and meaningless?

I&#039;ve known some WoW players who made great coworkers, and who &quot;performed&quot; better than me at work (I don&#039;t play WoW.)

Then again, I&#039;ve seen WoW players for whom the game takes over and it hurts their performance.

I&#039;ve seen how MMORPGs have made some players better managers, but I&#039;ve also seen such games make people skip work, school, etc.

Interviewers and recruiters should already be good enough judges of character to figure out if the person across from them has control over the game, or whether the game has control over them.  If they can&#039;t do that, they&#039;re not fit to be recruiters or to work in HR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will people learn that all-or-nothing rules like that are stupid and meaningless?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve known some WoW players who made great coworkers, and who &#8220;performed&#8221; better than me at work (I don&#8217;t play WoW.)</p>
<p>Then again, I&#8217;ve seen WoW players for whom the game takes over and it hurts their performance.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen how MMORPGs have made some players better managers, but I&#8217;ve also seen such games make people skip work, school, etc.</p>
<p>Interviewers and recruiters should already be good enough judges of character to figure out if the person across from them has control over the game, or whether the game has control over them.  If they can&#8217;t do that, they&#8217;re not fit to be recruiters or to work in HR.</p>
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		<title>By: ChunkyMonkeyBrain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357678</link>
		<dc:creator>ChunkyMonkeyBrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the real underlying truth to what the recruiter said was, &quot;I&#039;m hiring for a company who&#039;s jobs are dead boring, require intense concentration and are done for a company that meddles in your personal life.&quot;
He&#039;s just been trained to phrase it in a way that makes it sound like it&#039;s YOUR problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the real underlying truth to what the recruiter said was, &#8220;I&#8217;m hiring for a company who&#8217;s jobs are dead boring, require intense concentration and are done for a company that meddles in your personal life.&#8221;<br />
He&#8217;s just been trained to phrase it in a way that makes it sound like it&#8217;s YOUR problem.</p>
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		<title>By: yurei</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357423</link>
		<dc:creator>yurei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Employers need to worry about improving the workplace and less about their employees private lives. I perform better at work after a full night [from 8pm until 4am, 5 night a week] of intense gaming. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Employers need to worry about improving the workplace and less about their employees private lives. I perform better at work after a full night [from 8pm until 4am, 5 night a week] of intense gaming. </p>
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		<title>By: EH</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357427</link>
		<dc:creator>EH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s World of Warcraft-American to you, bub.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s World of Warcraft-American to you, bub.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Rizos</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357683</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Rizos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... a game that says &quot;go kill 10 of this, collect 5 of that, talk to so-and-so,&quot; and repeat, repeat, repeat. That sounds like just the sort of wage slave you&#039;d be looking for. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; a game that says &#8220;go kill 10 of this, collect 5 of that, talk to so-and-so,&#8221; and repeat, repeat, repeat. That sounds like just the sort of wage slave you&#8217;d be looking for. </p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Waddell</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-358963</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Waddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t play WoW, and I&#039;m not 100% dedicated to my job.  Sorry work, but family comes first.  Are they going to discriminate against people with young children, too?  Those folks often have poor sleeping habits, their focus is often elsewhere, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t play WoW, and I&#8217;m not 100% dedicated to my job.  Sorry work, but family comes first.  Are they going to discriminate against people with young children, too?  Those folks often have poor sleeping habits, their focus is often elsewhere, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: PixelFish</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357430</link>
		<dc:creator>PixelFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Le sigh. Such broad statements ignore the fact that even within World of Warcraft there are multiple types of gameplay available, and multiple reasons for playing. There&#039;s your standard hardcore raider, who has booked raids with their guild and has their week blocked out in terms of WoW activities. (My dad and brother are both this way.) Then you have intermediate players (like my sisters and I) who play fairly regularly but generally don&#039;t raid, or let the guild run our lives. Then you have social newbs (like my mother) who get on because their friends and family are on, and who enjoy the game, but don&#039;t have any particular goals in mind. Regardless of gameplay type, most of us are perfectly capable of scheduling our WoW time so it doesn&#039;t impinge on our ordinary life. 

I think it&#039;s also worth noting that none of us are TV watchers, and nobody complains about TV causing their employees to stay up too late or be distracted, and yet, many people put more hours into watching TV than I or my sibs do into playing World of Warcraft. There are people who spend more time drinking or watching sports or gambling....you could be addicted to anything, but what happens in the off-hours should stay in the off-hours.

(Everyone in my family plays World of Warcraft, incidentally. Both my parents, all of my sibs, one of my brothers-in-law, my cousins, and my cousins kid. We have a family guild even, although since they are all Alliance, and I am Horde, I tend to play my little draenei when they ask to spend time with me. Here&#039;s how nerdy my family is: They are planning the next family picture to be our avatars riding our war bears.) 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Le sigh. Such broad statements ignore the fact that even within World of Warcraft there are multiple types of gameplay available, and multiple reasons for playing. There&#8217;s your standard hardcore raider, who has booked raids with their guild and has their week blocked out in terms of WoW activities. (My dad and brother are both this way.) Then you have intermediate players (like my sisters and I) who play fairly regularly but generally don&#8217;t raid, or let the guild run our lives. Then you have social newbs (like my mother) who get on because their friends and family are on, and who enjoy the game, but don&#8217;t have any particular goals in mind. Regardless of gameplay type, most of us are perfectly capable of scheduling our WoW time so it doesn&#8217;t impinge on our ordinary life. </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s also worth noting that none of us are TV watchers, and nobody complains about TV causing their employees to stay up too late or be distracted, and yet, many people put more hours into watching TV than I or my sibs do into playing World of Warcraft. There are people who spend more time drinking or watching sports or gambling&#8230;.you could be addicted to anything, but what happens in the off-hours should stay in the off-hours.</p>
<p>(Everyone in my family plays World of Warcraft, incidentally. Both my parents, all of my sibs, one of my brothers-in-law, my cousins, and my cousins kid. We have a family guild even, although since they are all Alliance, and I am Horde, I tend to play my little draenei when they ask to spend time with me. Here&#8217;s how nerdy my family is: They are planning the next family picture to be our avatars riding our war bears.) </p>
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		<title>By: bcsizemo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357431</link>
		<dc:creator>bcsizemo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well at my previous job we had an EQ player, or I should say addict.  He was on from 30 mins after he left work till usually at least 1 in the morning.  (Which is not bad, but many many nights that was pushed back to like 3 or 4).  It&#039;s not so much the sleep, it&#039;s the total consumption of your life.  I&#039;m sure a large majority of MMO players can leave it in the game, but there are a lot of hardcore players that don&#039;t.  I don&#039;t play, and probably never will, EQ (or WOW).  I don&#039;t care about this raid you went on, or what new skill you learned.  After a while it just gets old.

I think you should realize it&#039;s bad when you setup vacation time for when the expansion comes out.
(I know people plan vacation time for &quot;fun&quot; activites as well, but there is a fine line between a hobby and when that hobby becomes work.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at my previous job we had an EQ player, or I should say addict.  He was on from 30 mins after he left work till usually at least 1 in the morning.  (Which is not bad, but many many nights that was pushed back to like 3 or 4).  It&#8217;s not so much the sleep, it&#8217;s the total consumption of your life.  I&#8217;m sure a large majority of MMO players can leave it in the game, but there are a lot of hardcore players that don&#8217;t.  I don&#8217;t play, and probably never will, EQ (or WOW).  I don&#8217;t care about this raid you went on, or what new skill you learned.  After a while it just gets old.</p>
<p>I think you should realize it&#8217;s bad when you setup vacation time for when the expansion comes out.<br />
(I know people plan vacation time for &#8220;fun&#8221; activites as well, but there is a fine line between a hobby and when that hobby becomes work.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rezpect</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357687</link>
		<dc:creator>Rezpect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess the OBVIOUS thing to do is just not admit it. It&#039;s not like they can test your pee to find out if you are WOW player. 
On the other hand, how sad to have such a non-life that you live for a virtual reality game. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess the OBVIOUS thing to do is just not admit it. It&#8217;s not like they can test your pee to find out if you are WOW player.<br />
On the other hand, how sad to have such a non-life that you live for a virtual reality game. </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew W</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-360249</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big time agree with #83.  I&#039;m a WoW player.  Really casual, as in days go past when I don&#039;t sign in.  I&#039;m in a guild, but just so I can stay in touch with my friends overseas in said guild.  Its never affected my work.  Yeah, I may pop into the forums during down times at work, but that&#039;s probably the extent of it.  Oh, and I signed in at work once so the IT guys could compare the performance of the client under OSX or Windows on the old MBPs.

However, having been the only non-parent in a department on a couple of occasions, I think I&#039;d be more concerned about parents than WoW players.  I have certainly worked more overtime covering for parents than gamers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big time agree with #83.  I&#8217;m a WoW player.  Really casual, as in days go past when I don&#8217;t sign in.  I&#8217;m in a guild, but just so I can stay in touch with my friends overseas in said guild.  Its never affected my work.  Yeah, I may pop into the forums during down times at work, but that&#8217;s probably the extent of it.  Oh, and I signed in at work once so the IT guys could compare the performance of the client under OSX or Windows on the old MBPs.</p>
<p>However, having been the only non-parent in a department on a couple of occasions, I think I&#8217;d be more concerned about parents than WoW players.  I have certainly worked more overtime covering for parents than gamers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-427834</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excess: Anything, driven to excess, has the potential to be bad for you. Be it alcohol, drugs, smoking, reading, working, sex, board games, D&amp;D, WoW, or water! 

Moderation: &quot;Moderation in all things, including moderation.&quot; :Aristotle:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excess: Anything, driven to excess, has the potential to be bad for you. Be it alcohol, drugs, smoking, reading, working, sex, board games, D&#038;D, WoW, or water! </p>
<p>Moderation: &#8220;Moderation in all things, including moderation.&#8221; :Aristotle:</p>
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		<title>By: G_Mehum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357435</link>
		<dc:creator>G_Mehum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullllshit. Most WoW players don&#039;t play anywhere near enough to constitute an addiction. Even those that raid don&#039;t necessarily play more than a few times a week. If MMO addiction&#039;s a problematic behavior worth considering when choosing a candidate to hire, it&#039;s far, far behind such concerns as alcoholism, criminal records, and &lt;i&gt;prior job-related performances&lt;/i&gt;. See how they did in their last damn job before you start worrying about whether or not they&#039;ll spend weekday evenings deep in the bowels of Naxxramas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullllshit. Most WoW players don&#8217;t play anywhere near enough to constitute an addiction. Even those that raid don&#8217;t necessarily play more than a few times a week. If MMO addiction&#8217;s a problematic behavior worth considering when choosing a candidate to hire, it&#8217;s far, far behind such concerns as alcoholism, criminal records, and <i>prior job-related performances</i>. See how they did in their last damn job before you start worrying about whether or not they&#8217;ll spend weekday evenings deep in the bowels of Naxxramas!</p>
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		<title>By: hungryjoe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357693</link>
		<dc:creator>hungryjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who review resumes in bulk are only looking for disqualifiers.  They&#039;re not carefully dissecting and interpreting all the little nuances in your resume.  Likewise, people with typos in their resumes may be great employees, but they will also be filtered out.  The first step in the hiring process is to apply basic filters to the massive pool of applicants, so that the employer has a manageable pool to work with.

A lot of commenters criticize employers for judging candidates without really getting to know those candidates on an individual level.  Unfortunately, this is how the hiring process works.  A resume and an interview aren&#039;t adequate substance for an employer to look into a person&#039;s soul.  

If only 25% of WoW players make inadequate or downright bad employees, would that make hiring one an acceptable risk?  If you were a small company who hires a new employee every 1-2 years, would you be willing to take on the expense of a new hire with a 1 in 4 chance of failing you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who review resumes in bulk are only looking for disqualifiers.  They&#8217;re not carefully dissecting and interpreting all the little nuances in your resume.  Likewise, people with typos in their resumes may be great employees, but they will also be filtered out.  The first step in the hiring process is to apply basic filters to the massive pool of applicants, so that the employer has a manageable pool to work with.</p>
<p>A lot of commenters criticize employers for judging candidates without really getting to know those candidates on an individual level.  Unfortunately, this is how the hiring process works.  A resume and an interview aren&#8217;t adequate substance for an employer to look into a person&#8217;s soul.  </p>
<p>If only 25% of WoW players make inadequate or downright bad employees, would that make hiring one an acceptable risk?  If you were a small company who hires a new employee every 1-2 years, would you be willing to take on the expense of a new hire with a 1 in 4 chance of failing you?</p>
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		<title>By: bokodasu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357950</link>
		<dc:creator>bokodasu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would I not hire someone because I found out they played WoW? Probably not. Would I not hire them because they &lt;em&gt;told&lt;/em&gt; me they played WoW? Oh yeah, interview&#039;d be over right then.

I also didn&#039;t hire the guy who told me that he liked to take windy afternoons off to go sailing.

Nothing wrong with applying a little selectivity to your hiring process, and weeding out the people who say, &quot;I don&#039;t really like to work&quot; is a good start. (Maybe everyone thinks it, but the level of cluelessness it takes to say it to your potential boss is... is... I don&#039;t even know what it is. But I&#039;m not hiring them.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would I not hire someone because I found out they played WoW? Probably not. Would I not hire them because they <em>told</em> me they played WoW? Oh yeah, interview&#8217;d be over right then.</p>
<p>I also didn&#8217;t hire the guy who told me that he liked to take windy afternoons off to go sailing.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with applying a little selectivity to your hiring process, and weeding out the people who say, &#8220;I don&#8217;t really like to work&#8221; is a good start. (Maybe everyone thinks it, but the level of cluelessness it takes to say it to your potential boss is&#8230; is&#8230; I don&#8217;t even know what it is. But I&#8217;m not hiring them.)</p>
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		<title>By: hungryjoe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357695</link>
		<dc:creator>hungryjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People who review resumes in bulk are only looking for disqualifiers.  They&#039;re not carefully dissecting and interpreting all the little nuances in your resume.  Likewise, people with typos in their resumes may be great employees, but they will also be filtered out.  The first step in the hiring process is to apply basic filters to the massive pool of applicants, so that the employer has a manageable pool to work with.

A lot of commenters criticize employers for judging candidates without really getting to know those candidates on an individual level.  Unfortunately, this is how the hiring process works.  A resume and an interview aren&#039;t adequate substance for an employer to look into a person&#039;s soul.  

If only 25% of WoW players make inadequate or downright bad employees, would that make hiring one an acceptable risk?  If you were a small company who hires a new employee every 1-2 years, would you be willing to take on the expense of a new hire with a 1 in 4 chance of failing you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People who review resumes in bulk are only looking for disqualifiers.  They&#8217;re not carefully dissecting and interpreting all the little nuances in your resume.  Likewise, people with typos in their resumes may be great employees, but they will also be filtered out.  The first step in the hiring process is to apply basic filters to the massive pool of applicants, so that the employer has a manageable pool to work with.</p>
<p>A lot of commenters criticize employers for judging candidates without really getting to know those candidates on an individual level.  Unfortunately, this is how the hiring process works.  A resume and an interview aren&#8217;t adequate substance for an employer to look into a person&#8217;s soul.  </p>
<p>If only 25% of WoW players make inadequate or downright bad employees, would that make hiring one an acceptable risk?  If you were a small company who hires a new employee every 1-2 years, would you be willing to take on the expense of a new hire with a 1 in 4 chance of failing you?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-357440</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen more than one colleague get taken aside and told that they should not be coming to work so tired from playing WoW all night.

It definitely can affect peoples job performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen more than one colleague get taken aside and told that they should not be coming to work so tired from playing WoW all night.</p>
<p>It definitely can affect peoples job performance.</p>
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		<title>By: hohum</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-358212</link>
		<dc:creator>hohum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my suitemates from college did little other than playing World of Warcraft. He missed class often. He&#039;d still be up playing from the previous night when I would wake up to go to class. He was in serious risk of failing out of school because he played so much. He missed his housing application deadline for the next year. 

Occasionally he played other games as well, evidenced by the shouts of &quot;Boom! Headshot!&quot;

Now he has a job testing video cards for either nVidia or ATI, I forget which. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my suitemates from college did little other than playing World of Warcraft. He missed class often. He&#8217;d still be up playing from the previous night when I would wake up to go to class. He was in serious risk of failing out of school because he played so much. He missed his housing application deadline for the next year. </p>
<p>Occasionally he played other games as well, evidenced by the shouts of &#8220;Boom! Headshot!&#8221;</p>
<p>Now he has a job testing video cards for either nVidia or ATI, I forget which. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2008/12/15/should-employers-dis.html#comment-358215</link>
		<dc:creator>Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know of a family where the grandkids live a couple of hundred miles from their grandfather. There are limited opportunities to visit back and forth, so on weekends they get together in WOW and do stuff together, from the littlest kids on up.

He could describe that as &quot;playing WOW,&quot; but he can just as truthfully say &quot;I like spending time with my grandchildren,&quot; which is unexceptionable.

That trick works with a lot of nonstandard interests. SCA: &quot;We go camping a lot.&quot; Online forums: &quot;Just hanging out and chatting with my friends.&quot; Obsessive collector: &quot;We love going to flea markets on weekends.&quot; Neopagan: &quot;I do volunteer work with a group from my church.&quot;

Good names for guilds: Fraternal Organization. Support Group. Local Library. Amway Sales Reps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know of a family where the grandkids live a couple of hundred miles from their grandfather. There are limited opportunities to visit back and forth, so on weekends they get together in WOW and do stuff together, from the littlest kids on up.</p>
<p>He could describe that as &#8220;playing WOW,&#8221; but he can just as truthfully say &#8220;I like spending time with my grandchildren,&#8221; which is unexceptionable.</p>
<p>That trick works with a lot of nonstandard interests. SCA: &#8220;We go camping a lot.&#8221; Online forums: &#8220;Just hanging out and chatting with my friends.&#8221; Obsessive collector: &#8220;We love going to flea markets on weekends.&#8221; Neopagan: &#8220;I do volunteer work with a group from my church.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good names for guilds: Fraternal Organization. Support Group. Local Library. Amway Sales Reps.</p>
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