Update on 12-year-old girl allegedly accosted and beat up by Galveston police

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  1. EH says:

    B.S.

    If it were a case where the police knew they were in the right they would be smearing this girl left and right. The facts available before verdict include what anybody wants to leak. It’s only when they’re on the wrong side that “oh, the police report is being litigated.” Right. I’ve never seen redacted police reports or anything like that in sensational cases, no sireee.

  2. OM says:

    “OM,,,er great experience no doubt, but you are still a layman, so,,,, leave the diagnosis to those who do it for a living. Sorry.”

    …Experience means more than a piece of paper more times than you’d obviously care to admit. So no, I’ll continue the diagnoses as I see fit. Deal with it.

    “om, are you and ‘cube sleeping together?”

    …Oooh. That was *real* original. Couldn’t you come up with anything better than that?

    “I don’t want to get into an ad-hominem attack…”

    …But you wont let that stop some others around here, either.

    “I agree that it is possible that someone could be crying wolf- Those rugby players at Duke had their lives ruined because everyone in the media was willing to believe that they were racist monsters without much evidence. This case hasn’t convinced me one way or another,”

    …The point I’ve attempted to make is that it could be a case of *both* sides crying “wolf”, and that we need to see a complete timeline of the events surrounding the case. What I’m suspecting is that we’ll find out that the cops made an erroneous bust and are now trying to trump up any charge they can against the family to make it look as if they inadvertantly did their jobs in getting the “criminal element” off the streets. At the same time, it’s not just Texas where this shit gets pulled, but in every single state, county and town in the US because there’s nothing worse than a cop who’s been caught screwing up. They’ll break even more laws setting people up to bust and make themselves “look good” in order to perpetuate the myth of their infallability they beleve they need to retain their effectiveness.

    Clearly this case is a great example of the “Watchmen Paradox”.

  3. OM says:

    “hey OM, what is the law against racism in and of itself? There is none. “

    …Extremely good point. Despite the various Civil Rights Laws that have been passed over the past century-plus since the War Betwixt the States, there’s nothing that says racism is outright illegal. It’s acting on such beliefs that are controlled via legislation, tho. In other words, it’s legally okay for white folks to hate black folks and vice versa, but it’s illegal for them to take actions that advance the effects of such beliefs upon each other. Sort of a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy if you want to look at it it another way.

    …And therein lies the rub. You can declare all men are created equal, put it in the Constitution, and make all sorts of laws guaranteeing said equality, but you can’t legislate acceptance of said without question. That’s not what America is all about. If the first thing Obama did after swearing in was to declare racism in any way, shape or form illegal, then you can rest assured that there’d be at least a thousand cases before the Courts before the echos from the sound system ceased reverbing off the walls. Granted, about 2/3 of them would be filed on the behalf of rappa thugz being pissed they can’t badmouth the honkeys and the cops in their “music”, but that’s beside the point. Like it or not you can’t legislate peoples’ thoughts, only their actions.

    …And I’m going to hijack this thread by asking BB posters and regulars this: *should* racism be blanket outlawed like this? *CAN* it be legislated so that racist expressions, whether it’s White Inbred Supremacy or Rappa Thug Power, or any color of the rainbow over the rest, will carry a penalty if discovered?

    And Takuan, I want you to be rational and honest about this one for once :-P

  4. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    MwilliamRice – any anecdotal evidence, rumors, friend-of-a-friend reports of it?

    More importantly, any word whatsoever of it from more than two weeks ago? The only reason it hit the Hair Balls blog was that the defense attorney contacted the blogger directly. AKA, tossed something malodorous straight into a spinning fan.

    Now that some new facts have come to light, there are some new holes in the story:

    First off, while I can believe the cops could have been very stupid in thinking the girl was their suspect, and arrested her… three male cops can break a 12-year old’s grip and take her into custody without resorting to blunt force trauma.

    From the GCDN:

    The parents tried unsuccessfully to have police release Dymond to them, so they might comfort her, the lawsuit claims.

    It is unclear how much time elapsed that night before Dymond’s parents took her to the University of Texas Medical Branch…

    So, the lawsuit says the police wouldn’t let her go… but she apparently wasn’t taken into custody, because the parents took her to the hospital?

    Not adding up. There’s a gap in the story, and a gap in time before the parents take her to get medical attention. Considering the new details we have, I think we should be looking very carefully at daddy.

  5. OM says:

    “weightedcompanioncube, telling someone to calm down and “take your meds”, as you put it, is called shooting yourself in the foot. “

    …Unless that person actually is behaving as if they haven’t taken said meds. At times, Takuan really *does* exhibit these sort of behaviors, alas.

  6. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    business as usual, get the blacks in jail where they belong. I think we all know what is really going on here.

    You’re trolling with the race card? Yep, business as usual!

  7. darue says:

    no it shouldn’t be outlawed but _perhaps_ it should be treated as a form of mental illness potentially putting at risk the safety of the racist or others.

    OM – I really don’t think you’re qualified to diagnose based on a strangers outraged forum postings. Get a clue please.

  8. UglyDeafMuslimPunkGurl says:

    fucking cops. I feel for that poor girl.

  9. Takuan says:

    you might have said that to begin with.

  10. buddy66 says:

    Rude? Wha? More like Awe.

  11. Takuan says:

    so you are saying the father beat the girl to a pulp and the police are protecting her.

  12. Takuan says:

    “at times”? You really haven’t been paying attention.

  13. Takuan says:

    awe they are used to, it’s upsetting when they don’t pass for biologicals. Some silicon thing. You meat people wouldn’t understand.

  14. darue says:

    name and shame these pigs. it’s time to send a message… like they do in Greece.

  15. buddy66 says:

    I see nothing wrong with your points, OM; you just use too many words. It kind of confuses and clouds the issue.

  16. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    FYI, for anyone who doesn’t think bad cops don’t make the news:

    A Maryland State Trooper was arrested by Baltimore County Police for getting piss-drunk and pulling people over without cause…

    …in a Taco Bell drive-through… I swear, you can’t make this stuff up!

    … he, in fact, did kidnap a guy… Threw him in the back of his cruiser and led county cops on a high-speed chase, before finally pulling over and telling them “I’m done, lock me up!”

    He IS done. Out of a job, out of a police career, and behind bars.

  17. Tenn says:

    Takuan, do they even -make- medication for you? It seems like tablets would dissolve in the brine and miasma…

  18. darue says:

    @19 – shv yr “rc crd” bllsht p yr hnd nd. Racism is a deadly plague of whites against blacks 99% of the time. This entire event WOULD not have happened had the girl been white and you should fraking know that.

  19. darue says:

    they probably planted the coke on him. I have no reason to believe these violent thugs that hide behind a badge.

  20. Takuan says:

    every now and then, a tanker goes missing. You’re qualified Tenn-san; is Texas justice just?

  21. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    Darue – you don’t belong here if you’re going to talk like that. Mods will tell you the same.

    And if you think racism is 99% white against black, you need to do some anatomical rearranging of your own.

  22. historyman68 says:

    @OM #52:
    It’s nearly impossible to prove a negative. That’s why it’s an effective but unfair argument technique. Of course there is no US state that meets your criteria, when you define it like that.
    Your argument is reductionist because it implies that there is no difference between a state where this:

    3) Show me a state where there are no instances where cops have violated laws, pulled scams, abused their authority, or never failed to do their duty to protect and to serve as expected.

    happens, say, 1% of the time or 10% of the time (or more, I just made those numbers up). And a bigger state (like Texas), even with equivalent rates of police abuse, will naturally have more of them, just by virtue of being bigger.
    Likewise, I’m guessing different states have different rates of this:

    4) Show me a state where the prisons are mostly stocked with white folks.

    so asking it in terms of absolutes is absurd and pointless. The answers of Japan and Switzerland are a case of “ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer”, although both of these countries do have their issues with racism against ethnic minorities as well.
    To be fair, I’d say that it’s possible this case has nothing to do with race or police abuse, but those arguments wouldn’t prove anything either way.

  23. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    Darue – I have no reason to believe you, because you come off as rather uncontrolled. Three, four posts less than 5 minutes?

    Organize your thoughts, myb tk yr mds.

  24. grimc says:

    Are there meds for people who think that a 12-year-old who gets snatched by cops because they think she’s a prostitute must’ve either made the story up or probably did something else to deserve it?

    ‘Cause remembering the melee in the first thread, there’s at least one prescription that needs to be written.

  25. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    Takuan – I’m not saying the police are protecting anyone. They were out of the picture some indefinite time before the girl was taken to the hospital.

    I’m saying they might not have caused the grievous injuries to the girl.

    If the police did beat her for resisting arrest, they would have then taken her into custody. Once it gets to where the cops are using that kind of force, someone goes to jail.

  26. DougDante says:

    Mark,

    You did a truly revolutionary thing in this post. You quoted the actual and relevant law relating to the issue in question.

    THANK YOU!

    Doug Dante

    PS: I hope Dymon feels better, and that the court gives her suit a fair hearing, and if what her lawyer alleges is true, I hope she wins big.

  27. arkizzle says:

    Wait.. Om’s point wasn’t that this never happened in Texas, it was it could happen anywhere? Wow.

  28. dragonfrog says:

    Cube – look at how far he had to do to make news. That’s not a bad cop, that’s a spectacularly, flamboyantly, extravagantly bad cop.

    A little thing like improper arrest possibly qualifying as abduction, brutality against the disenfranchised and disempowered, false case reports, evidence tampering and harassment – that still doesn’t make news.

  29. demidan says:

    New father here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/98231037@N00/2826829404/ ), I agree with other posters here, death by my hands, fast, and as painful as possible.

    Though I know many police,(in New Orleans, and other places), great guys one and all,,,but (and it’s a big one), I would not want to be on their bad sides. They are friends so I can get away with allll kinds of crazy crap, but if they don’t know you and are African American keep your head down to say the least…

  30. Tenn says:

    In the Metroplex, there’s very little of the racism you mention. There’s too much diversity for it. In fact, I live very close to Dallas, a highly Democratic place, very deep city; most elected officials are black or Hispanic there.

    I go to a school where we live the American Dream; we’re a melting pot, and Mohamad chatters in Arabic while someone calls someone, in the most friendly sense of the word, a ‘nigga’ accross the hall. Most people know a little bit of Spanish.

    There are Jews and some kids that go directly by their race; Mohamad is more often called Muslim than anything, and Nicolas goes by Jewhair. It’s all meant in fun and anyone who really means it will have the ever living hell beat out of them. The basketball team is all black except for a kid we call White Chocolate.

    There’s gang violence, but no race violence.

    Scratch that. I remember one time. Someone called someone a nigger when I was in freshman year, and they very clearly meant it, and it was in the middle of the hallway, and they didn’t bother trying to punish the students because one, we held back from maiming the kid, and two, they had no specific names.

    It was just- everyone. Which actually says something -horrible- about the mob mentality, but something great about a low tolerance for being a bigoted ass. That or everyone piled on because of the mob mentality, which I somehow didn’t believe because the boy involved was very well known for being a neoNazi.

    And yet- my uncle has been pulled over multiple times for DWB- driving while brown. There’s never any reason. He’s just very Spanish/Mexican, and well, when he has a thick goatee, he can be mistaken for a terrorist. I mean a person of Arabic descent.

    Mohamad was sent to the reform school for a bomb threat which was a casual discussion between he and some of my peers about a FPS game they planned that night.

    Someone in my apartments was killed, six or so months ago. Large kitchen knife. Machete. To the neck. The only thing that kept his head on was his spinal cord. Black man, killed by a white man- but it was because of a fight over a sports game. They were friends, apparently. I saw them around a lot. The white man was friendly enough but prone to terrifying outbursts of anger. It probably wasn’t a race crime…

    I did an essay on criminals pardoned with the introduction of DNA evidence. A disproportionate number of them were black. They never committed the crime, but they were jailed for it…

    The only racism I’m ever exposed to is committed by our oh so rational adults.

    But it’s better here than in Georgia. Or Mississippi. Or Florida. Those places aren’t as densely populated, I guess, as my part of Texas. They don’t have an influx of foreigners from Mexico, as we do. The most racist adults I know personally are actually my own parents, and they aren’t really all that bad.

    I have a friend in Mississippi who can’t date a black friend of hers because everyone- even the people her age- would take it wrong. It’s okay to be friends, but God forbid you kiss.

    I think that racism isn’t about North or South anymore.

    I think it’s urban versus rural.

  31. arkizzle says:

    Minty (& all):

    A brief musical interlude, more for historical solidarity than hating the man.

    Go on, turn the volume up, stand on your chair and let it play baby.. let it play.

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM

  32. OM says:

    “Wait.. Om’s point wasn’t that this never happened in Texas, it was it could happen anywhere? Wow.”

    …Correct. Considering some of the police abuse crap that happens within 25 miles of where I live in a county north of where I live in Texas, I’ve no doubt this sort of abuse happens whereever you have cops who aren’t properly trained and screened before being put on a beat. It’s not just Texas, it’s any and every state in the Union.

  33. Takuan says:

    “If the police did beat her for resisting arrest, they would have then taken her into custody. Once it gets to where the cops are using that kind of force, someone goes to jail.”

    or maybe once they realized they had just beaten a 12 year old girl in her own yard, threatened to shoot her dog and generally done a great many indefensible things (even for Texas), they decided to crawl back into their cop car and get scarce. Before even more witnessess showed up. After all, they are the cops, they could pick her up any time. Like they did.

  34. arkizzle says:

    Tenn, I love it when you bust out one of your point-of-view pieces. There is always some hope for the next generation when you tell it :)

  35. Tenn says:

    Thank you, Arky! I sometimes feel I’m being too verbose, but I never want to leave anything out.

  36. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    Takuan – you are drawing conclusions from a plaintiff’s filing, which is ENTIRELY one sided.

    One thing we don’t know is exactly why she was arrested at school, TWO WEEKS LATER. It was for assaulting an officer, but it may not be related to the August 22nd incident. You’re being led into making a connection that isn’t quite there.

  37. Anonymous says:

    “Wouldn’t it be nice if these kind of stories were a rarity in the land of the free and home of the brave?”

    The stories are somewhat rare. Not the stories themselves, but actually HEARING about them through a national/local news source.

    The more I read/gather information on the internet, the more I become distrustful of news sources and reporting in general. I actually watched a Fox broadcast that recapped things that happened on YouTube. Seriously? You need to recap things that are… recaps already?

    But back on topic: Not much actual coverage of this story has seen the light of day. And I’m willing to bet there’s countless other stories that aren’t reported on.

  38. FoetusNail says:

    I’m verbose, you’re interesting. I can make a short post tedious. Thanks for the link Arkizzle.

  39. Takuan says:

    where’s yours then?

  40. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    Demidan – sure those violent fantasies aren’t going to go the wrong way? It’s been known to happen.

    The lawyer for the plaintiff is counting on this kind of gut reaction from the jury, regardless of the facts.

    It was remarked in the comments the last time this story was on BB:

    “This is how lynch mobs form”

    To toss that race card around just a little bit more, now that it has been played:

    The wealthy white man’s daughter runs off or does something “immoral”, a mob forms, and an innocent man hangs for it. Gotta lynch someone.

    Just about every single person here is proving to be as biased against cops as a racist is against skin color. You have so many preconceptions about what happened because of your collective persecution complexes. You have tried, convicted, and would like to execute based solely on allegation, rumor and prejudice.

    All we know is that a lawsuit has been filed. Let’s get some facts first.

  41. GoldMatenes says:

    So you’ve made a blanket statement that caused a multi-layered semantic misunderstanding.

    ACHIEVEMENT GET: ‘Smokescreen’

    We know that racism exists. We know that there have been serious problems with racism everywhere. We know that there have been serious problems with racism in Texas. This case happened in Texas. It may or may not be racially-oriented.

  42. FoetusNail says:

    If anyone wants to know why, here it is
    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=nkPb4s0-QcI

  43. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    Takuan –

    “Where’s yours then”

    Really? That’s all you can say? I am starting to think you are unable to fully process what you read before responding.

    I’m NOT drawing conclusions, because I’m able to think past the frothing sensationalism of it all. I’m saying there aren’t enough facts to draw conclusions. I only have suspicions.

  44. arkizzle says:

    WCC.. moi? A mod?

    If I was a mod, I might be less inclined to say Fuck The Police.

  45. Takuan says:

    “complexes.”? So now you dismiss virtually every person’s here experience of police. Why should they listen to you?

  46. Takuan says:

    “It may or may not be racially-oriented.”

    would a white 12 year old girl have been beaten with a flashlight?

  47. buddy66 says:

    So there’s this guy you want to bust. He’s making trouble for you and yours. You run his name. Woops, his drivers license has expired. He’s got a narrow record, but…

    So you tail him, pull him over. He wants to know what’s wrong. You’re all over the road, sir. License, please. Oh, ho. Would you step out of the car, please? Your partner comes up, shines his light inside. What’s this? Whatta ya know, this, fuck’s the kind leaves his stash out in plain sight. Possession.

    It’s a good bust. You know it will hold up. The blow’s primo. Hell, you got it out of the property room.

  48. OM says:

    “OM – I really don’t think you’re qualified to diagnose based on a strangers outraged forum postings. Get a clue please.”

    …Actually, after having participated *and* moderated online forums, newsgroups, mailing lists since 1984, and even sysop’d a BBS for a decade, I’m a hell of a lot more qualified than you’re willing to admit. And considering some of your posts – especially those in this thread – I submit the person in need of a clue is yourself.

    “so asking it in terms of absolutes is absurd and pointless.”

    …So is your skirting around the question for a second time. Just proof you’re board trolling as I suspected.

    [shakes head in dismay]

  49. arkizzle says:

    Eventually leading to:

    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=BSvD5SM_uI4

    Calm down eager-defenders, it’s academic.

    Better put away my Teflon coated Cop-Killers

  50. Mark Frauenfelder says:

    darue@24: “they probably planted the coke on him. I have no reason to believe these violent thugs that hide behind a badge.”

    That’s a plausible theory, when you consider the following:

    1. “A group of Texas Rangers started arriving in Galveston Monday to investigate the Galveston Police Department. The department is under scrutiny after a major drug theft from their property room – a room that’s supposed to be secured for evidence.

    2. The head of the Galveston Police Department’s drug unit is one of the police officers being sued for accosting and beating up the little girl.

  51. demidan says:

    For cube,,,,Q: “Demidan – sure those violent fantasies aren’t going to go the wrong way? It’s been known to happen.”

    A: That is not a fantasy, that is a “what if” scenario. BTW the answer is NO.

  52. urshrew says:

    “I’m NOT drawing conclusions”

    Actually, you are drawing conclusions. Why don’t you answer the question instead of attacking the questioner?

  53. Mark Frauenfelder says:

    Here’s the funny part about the Police News Online story. They write:

    As usual, police officials cannot comment on the particulars of the case because it is now in litigation. They will not and cannot release the police report to the media because the case is under investigation and in litigation. That’s their right and that’s the way it should be.

    But then they go on to say:

    We at The Police News, want our readers to know that there is another side to this case. It DID NOT happen as alleged in the lawsuit and all the facts will be known when this litigation is settled, and it will be.

    So if the police “will not and cannot release the police report to the media” then how does Police News Online know the other side of the story?

  54. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    Antinous – OK, I gotta get out of here anyway, but you’re telling me to “breathe” for what? Making a remark about takuan’s (lack of) comprehension?

    But #23 can tell me to shove things in bodily orifices. Yay.

    Takuan – when most of the comments are about as erudite as “$%@&%^# cops. I want to kill them!” I tend to not lend much credibility or assume there’s much experience involved.

  55. minTphresh says:

    anti, dsmvwl m f mst, bt ‘cbe s jst bng a dck fr dckshnss sk. saying the same old tired bullshit over and over in order to flame us up. ‘cubie, u just continue to un-amaze. u may feel that im just being rude, but, i am not afraid to speak my mind. i’m with arkizzle ( and NWA!):” Fuck the police.” the burden of proof is on them. it may be your right to keep defending their undefencable actions, but if doing it here, please, just do it the one time, then kindly STF!

  56. Takuan says:

    why do you have such an emotional attachment to this issue? Sincerely?

  57. Antinous says:

    There are far too many references to cavities and appendages in this thread. Compose yourselves. And please refrain from repetition. Yes you did, No I didn’t, Yes you did, No I didn’t might technically qualify as a conversation, but certainly not an interesting one.

  58. minTphresh says:

    sorry, he just tweaks my dicknerve!

  59. darue says:

    @37- yes, and the same area had a police department/chief busted a couple years ago for planting fake coke on people and ruining their lives. don’t remember the specifics to google on, but they have a track record indicative of being mafia with badges. Will try to find that incident…

  60. buddy66 says:

    “$%@&%^#…”

    This is the part I don’t get. I kinda know what it means, I think, but I never learned how to pronounce it

  61. Takuan says:

    I don’t think anyone who wishes to examine the statistical facts, the media coverage and the anecdotal evidence of those who have lived in Texas would conclude anything save:
    1. Texas is fundamentally a racist place.
    2. Those with power are mostly non-black
    3. Police there have an inglorious track record of malfeasance.
    4. The prisons are full of non-whites.
    5. The justice system is loaded against the poor and non-white.

    In view of the forgoing (refute it if you can), what conclusions would a reasonable person draw from the case presented?

  62. Anonymous says:

    Seriously, why hasn’t there been a riot yet? Oh, that’s right, the mainstream news refuses to cover events like this.

  63. Anonymous says:

    If the facts in this case are presented accurately (which I’m skeptical of because it’s hard to believe cops are that dumb) then the police need some serious retraining. They created a situation that was unnecessarily dangerous for themselves. It’s already been said, but if the father had a gun we’d be dealing with some dead cops. If you’re intent is to arrest a 12 year old prostitute, maybe try having a female officer dressed as an officer (she can still ride in an unmarked van) do the arresting. I’m guessing a real 12 year old prostitute would have some serious issues with men and would get violent if three men tried to jump her. Be smart and avoid that confrontation. A cops job is to keep everyone safe including prostitutes and cops.

  64. demidan says:

    OM,,,er great experience no doubt, but you are still a layman, so,,,, leave the diagnosis to those who do it for a living. Sorry.

  65. Takuan says:

    well no wonder Buddy, it’s spelled wrong.

  66. Cupcake Faerie says:

    @#75, Tenn,
    That’s a great narrative on how it is. I gather from your experience and from what a few others say, that you are of the younger generation. Your story gives me hope.

    A line can be drawn that shows much of the ills of our society lead right back to the criminalization of drugs. Legalize or at least decriminalize all recreational drug use and you will have in one motion reduced the prison population by more than half,and put out of business evil,violent cartels.

  67. arkizzle says:

    Sorry Tak, I was just trying to be relevant :)

    This is what I might have freestyled:
    http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=TWJp14tkBlU

  68. GoldMatenes says:

    I was simply stating facts extremely vaguely, so I didn’t get buried in [citation needed]s.

    Here’s an alternate approach: A syllogism.

    The case occurred in Texas.
    Texas has problems with racism.
    ———————–
    The case may be racially oriented.

  69. Anonymous says:

    What I find strange is, why is everyone who’s commenting on this story assuming they were *not* in fact trying to abduct and rape her, and possibly worse?

  70. OM says:

    “If I was a mod, I might be less inclined to say Fuck The Police.”

    …Yeah, well, I’ve never been much of a Sting fan myself :-P

    “So now you dismiss virtually every person’s here experience of police. Why should they listen to you?”

    …Same could be said about you, Takuan. I’m just curious now as to your “expertise” in all matters cop-ious.

    “1. Texas is fundamentally a racist place.
    2. Those with power are mostly non-black
    3. Police there have an inglorious track record of malfeasance.
    4. The prisons are full of non-whites.
    5. The justice system is loaded against the poor and non-white.”

    …In order…or is that odor:

    1) Show me a state where racism does *not* exist.
    2) Show me a state run mostly by non-whites.
    3) Show me a state where there are no instances where cops have violated laws, pulled scams, abused their authority, or never failed to do their duty to protect and to serve as expected.
    4) Show me a state where the prisons are mostly stocked with white folks.
    5) Show me a state where white folks commit most of the crimes.

    Bottom Line: The old fable about crying “Wolf” applies to crying “Racist” as well, kids.

  71. Takuan says:

    I think they fear a Youtube upload far more.

  72. Anonymous says:

    I don’t like this situation either, but it’s worth noting that nothing in the quoted section of the state penal code changes anything about the case. They both did resist arrest, and there’s nothing (at least in that chunk of law) that justifies the father resisting arrest on behalf of his daughter. I’m not arguing that the police did the right thing, I’m arguing that the law quoted above isn’t a smoking gun.

  73. arkizzle says:

    So true, so true.

  74. Arthur Buxton says:

    weightedcompanioncube, telling someone to calm down and “take your meds”, as you put it, is called shooting yourself in the foot.

    Obviously both sides of any case have to be examined carefully but all I’ve got to do is turn on the tv and I’m immediately confronted by incompetent, brutal and often apparently racist police (over here to some extent but, sorry people, more so over there – mabey it’s more a reflection on the differing medias than anything else). And that’s not even news – they call it entertainment!

    “smile, you’re under arrest”

    http://www.boingboing.net/2008/11/12/new-reality-show-smi.html

    Takuan, I think you seem to comprehend this quite well.

  75. Takuan says:

    1. racism is present everywhere the question is degree and official(or unofficial) sanction
    2.Japan?
    3. again a matter of degree. The rule or exception?
    4.Switzerland?
    5.Switzerland for sure.

    I now prepare for the tsunami of enraged Swiss.

  76. Tenn says:

    That’s a great narrative on how it is. I gather from your experience and from what a few others say, that you are of the younger generation. Your story gives me hope.

    I was manufactured nigh eighteen years ago, yes.

    ~whirr, clank, bzzz…

  77. Takuan says:

    *thump!*

  78. JoshuaTerrell says:

    Right on OM.

    Before I read this article, I had no idea the girl was black (after having read the original article).

    I agree with Mark, there seems to be something fishy about the cocaine charge.

    But all of the previous discussion is moot because we don’t have any more hard info.

    Wait for facts people! Emotions are not a firm ground to base an argument!

  79. JoshuaTerrell says:

    I would say Holland for 4 and 5 #54. Most of Europe actually.

  80. minTphresh says:

    om, are you and ‘cube sleeping together?

  81. Tenn says:

    ~zzzaaaannnnnnnngk!

    Thank you for your assistance… you will be well rewarded. Now, Buddy66? There’s a simple matter we need to attend to… Ex-ter-min-ate!

  82. buddy66 says:

    Are you people still buying the pitch that TENN is a teenager? How many 17 year olds do you know who use words like “miasma”? And who never misspell, and unerringly know what punctuation marks are for? She writes better than 90% of the commenters on bb threads. I never had a 17-year-old student that good.

    Maybe if her last name were Glass …

  83. OM says:

    “1. racism is present everywhere the question is degree and official(or unofficial) sanction
    2.Japan?
    3. again a matter of degree. The rule or exception?
    4.Switzerland?
    5.Switzerland for sure.

    I now prepare for the tsunami of enraged Swiss.”

    1) Name me a state in the US where racism is still legal.
    2) I said a *state*. We’re only talking the US, Takuan, so confine the comparisons to that betwixt the 50 states and their territories. Last I saw, Japan was *not* a US territory despite having lost WWII.
    3) Again, show me a state where there are no instances where cops have violated laws, pulled scams, abused their authority, or never failed to do their duty to protect and to serve as expected.
    4) See 2).
    5) Again, see 2).

    …And I wouldn’t blame the Swiss if they chewed you a new asshole. Especially since in this case it’s mox nix what they do in another country. They abuse women far worse in the Middle East than they do in the US, and by the logic you’re expousing we should be beating our women here as well.

    Bottom Line: Let’s leave the status of the rest of the world out of this one. We’re dealing with actions of a local constabulary in a State of the United States of America, not Switzerland.

  84. Takuan says:

    (shh! we know she’s actually an AI, but don’t be rude!)

  85. Santa's Knee says:

    This looks like a job for the ACLU.

  86. darue says:

    wait for the facts?! we’ve been presented with facts. what makes a fact? when the gubamint tells you what the facts are? what possible fact could excuse what those cops did? none.

  87. Takuan says:

    read the first post?

  88. OM says:

    “I agree with Mark, there seems to be something fishy about the cocaine charge.”

    …What’s the exact timeline for all of the events related to this case? When was the father busted for coke, when was the girl assaulted, and when was she later arrested at school? I’m beginning to wonder if there’s another incident preceeding this one that may have sparked the Galveston cops into “Retaliatory Abuse” mode.

  89. FoetusNail says:

    PIGS

  90. nutbastard says:

    lousy, worthless vice squad. ght t xct th whl lt f ‘m.

  91. darue says:

    hey OM, what is the law against racism in and of itself? There is none. It is a potential motive for engaging in otherwise inexplicable and uncalled for violence on the part of men who should have known better.

  92. Takuan says:

    hey,who said you get to define the terms?

  93. arkizzle says:

    On a completely unrelated note, I gotta say “peace officer” has always sounded like newspeak doublethink.

    That said, this is bullshit.

  94. demidan says:

    Give the MMPI ,(Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory),to a cop, and then to a used car salesman, what do you get? They both score the same, people who want to do things their own way.

    Maybe just maybe these are people who we should not give guns and badges to?

  95. acacia72 says:

    #80 ‘Ja see the muthaf*ckin’ pigs lose they dognuts offa the backa they trunk?

  96. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    Arkizzle – “peace” as in “not at war” to distinguish from the National Guard, state militas, etc.

    That being said, are you still a mod?

    There’s going to be a need for some peacekeeping in here, as the “Kill Cops” comments are starting already. Nice to see people’s true colors, and how quickly the “anti-jackboot thug” bunch’s first thoughts are to KILL SOMEONE.

    good thing it’s only the internet!

  97. Marcel says:

    You know what bugs me most about this story is that if she would actually have been a prostitute, not only would there not have been anyone sticking up for her as this happened to her, but we would never have heared this story.

    As we do not.

  98. Ugly Canuck says:

    Facts as stated : plainclothes cops attempted to violently kidnap a twelve-year old girl.
    Any history of young girls being kidnapped and later found murdered down that neck of the woods lately?

  99. minTphresh says:

    “…The point I’ve attempted to make is that it could be a case of *both* sides crying “wolf”, and that we need to see a complete timeline of the events surrounding the case. What I’m suspecting is that we’ll find out that the cops made an erroneous bust and are now trying to trump up any charge they can against the family to make it look as if they inadvertantly did their jobs in getting the “criminal element” off the streets. At the same time, it’s not just Texas where this shit gets pulled, but in every single state, county and town in the US because there’s nothing worse than a cop who’s been caught screwing up. They’ll break even more laws setting people up to bust and make themselves “look good” in order to perpetuate the myth of their infallability they beleve they need to retain their effectiveness.” om, can u believe it? i agree with this statement nearly 100%! whoda thunk it? here i thought u were just another police appologist who was gonna tell me that the girl was somehow at fault, or it was prolly the dad who beat her, etc, etc, ad nauseum. hence my statement about you and weightedcompanionboob being in bed together. gotta admit tho, i did get a chuckle from your response. just goes to show what a perverse asshole i am. as someone who has seen the wrath of jonny law, up close and personal, i get really tired of the “cops are always right, unless there is film, and even then there is something happening offscreen we can’t see that is causing the bad behavoir”, crowd. my apologies. have a great holiday. yeah, u too ‘cube!

  100. cstatman says:

    I have a 2 1/2 yr old son. So I am still kinda new to the dad-thing. BUT – Now I have a completely different perspective because of my son.

    If someone I do not know jumps out of a van and uses force against my son? They are gonna die. Yes I live in California, but I am from Texas, and I own and know how to use firearms.

    Not everyone in Texas is insane, just as there may be “good” cops. But lately we have not seen the best of either in the news.

    I’m just repeating, unmarked, plainclothes, out of van, force against my kid? Gonna get shot.

  101. ErikO23 says:

    In other news, i for one welcome our new peace-officer overlords and would like to point out my ability to assist them in rounding up these prostitutes..

    ok but seriously.. i would be pretty pissed off if my daughter of 12 DIDN’T fight back with all her might against such an attack. she should get a meddal.. preferably attached to a fat settlement check..

    though I’m sure there is a limit to what she can get and the lawyers will take a chunk..

    a friend of mine was struck by a cop car as he crossed the street.. both legs shattered, and the cop had no lights on. they settled with him knowing that if he asked for the full amount he could get from the city, he could lose, and if he won he would have to pay 40% to his lawyer, basically meaning he could risk all the money for 10,000 more then what he was getting in the settlement.

    i hope this girl’s family can get some good pro-bono work.

  102. historyman68 says:

    @OM 82 -
    I don’t want to get into an ad-hominem attack, but I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. The first quote was posted by Danue #68, the second was by me, historyman68 #72. I can see how one could get confused – there’s a 68 in both of those. (Also, it appears that some offensive comments got deleted – again, before I got to this page – maybe you thought that I’d posted something offensive that got deleted earlier today?)
    But are you trying to imply that I’m Danue’s sockpuppet or whatever? Because if you look at my record, I’m not a board troll. I only posted once in this discussion, and it was to comment on your logic.
    It’s not dodging the question (keep in mind I hadn’t even commented yet on this story when you posted your original comment) if I point out how you asked questions in a way only one answer makes any sense. You want me to answer them with the intent you made them? Okay:
    1) none
    2) none
    3) none
    4) none
    5) none
    Oh my god, you proved that every state has some racism, therefore it’s impossible to make any judgments about an incident being racially motivated. That was easy!
    /sarcasm
    I apologize if you took it as a personal attack when my intention was merely to point out, as I said before, that asking a question in terms of absolutes is pointless. Now looking at my statement, I see how it itself is somewhat self-contradictory/hypocritical, like “Only the Sith speak in absolutes”. So I’ll amend it: It is usually pointless to phrase a question in absolutes because the answer gives you far less information and usually reinforces the asker’s biases. Here’s how I might ask those questions:
    1) What are the rates of racism in different states/counties? For that matter, how do you measure such a thing?
    2) What proportion of non-whites are in government, law enforcement, etc in this state/county as opposed to others?
    3) What are the rates of cops violating laws, pulling scams, abusing their authority, or failing to do their duty to protect and to serve as expected, as opposed to other states/counties? Is it possible that the rates for which these are reported are affected by the very fact that the cops are in a position of authority?
    4) What percentage of whites/non-whites are in prison in different states/counties?
    5) What percentage of whites commit crimes in different states? What is the likelihood that the rates of which these crimes get reported/persecuted has something to do with race?
    Apologies to everyone for the long post – I just wanted to make it very clear that I was only addressing your ideas, not attacking you personally.
    I agree that it is possible that someone could be crying wolf- Those rugby players at Duke had their lives ruined because everyone in the media was willing to believe that they were racist monsters without much evidence. This case hasn’t convinced me one way or another, but Tenn’s personal anecdotes have been the most revealing part of this discussion so far.

  103. Bionicrat2 says:

    While I’m not in the camp of thinking this is a hoax, I do recall all this “new” info being available during the last posting. It was just a matter of following the links.

  104. clueless in brooklyn says:

    Time for the right-wing fascists who love technology to spew thir justifiable hate crime logic, what?

  105. WeightedCompanionCube says:

    What bugs me most about this story is the complete absence of concrete facts. The update provides no new information, other than quoting a couple of state laws.

    If there is a police record concerning this, don’t expect to see it. This is a juvie case. The police can’t talk about it. At all.

    for more on the story there’s this: GC Police News Article

    and the fact that the father was arrested again two days after the alleged incident, and has been in jail for the past two years.

  106. historyman68 says:

    Wow. I should’ve put some line breaks in. Sorry!

  107. mwilliamrice says:

    I live in Pasadena, TX about 45 minutes from Galveston, and this sttory has gotten practically no local coverage of this story. The Houston Press, isn’t exactly a respected news source.

    Yay Texas! Be normal for once!

  108. Takuan says:

    “Father Pleaded To Drug Charge

    Two days following Wilfred Milburn’s Aug. 22, 2006, arrest on a misdemeanor interfering charge, police charged him with cocaine possession and with having an invalid driver’s license.

    Three misdemeanor charges, including the interfering charge, against Wilfred Milburn were dismissed in exchange for his pleading guilty to cocaine possession, Bennett said. Milburn received a two-year, state-jail sentence, Bennett said.”

    business as usual, get the blacks in jail where they belong. I think we all know what is really going on here.

  109. usonia says:

    I find this whole mess more upsetting than the teenage serial killer post. Is that wrong?

  110. Fred Rated says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice if these kind of stories were a rarity in the land of the free and home of the brave?

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