Waltz With Bashir

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  1. Anonymous says:

    hi, i’m looking for the “lullaby” played when the girl in white dress comes behind the car(it looks like an ice cream car)
    anyone knows the name of that song?

  2. WA says:

    Err, Hadarh, I’m rather certain you may have completely misinterpreted that remark. What makes you think that License Farm is talking about “another people”, and “denying them the right to live”?

    I can see how the remark could be misinterpreted to actually be quite offensive, and perhaps it would have been better written with an extra “we” to make it less ambiguous. You might want to look at License Farm’s comment history.

  3. UUbuntu says:

    Terry Gross (Fresh Air) had a 25 minute interview with Ari Folman two weeks ago, just as the (whatever we’re calling this) started. Essentially, he rejects violence in any form, and I cannot imagine that he would support any of the Israeli actions in Gaza. Please note that that’s NOT the same as supporting the Palestinian militants’ actions. It’s a rejection of violence as a means of solving problems.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98634515

    I await the release of the movie in the Boston area.

  4. IamInnocent says:

    The film is a Golden Globe winner tonight.
    Might help with distribution :)

  5. Anonymous says:

    @anonymous message #36:
    The clip above can no longer be viewed but from watching the film you’re probably looking for Bach’s Harpsichord Concerto in F minor, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UElq5e-KyOg.

  6. friendofrobots says:

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185616/cinemashowtimes

    Apparently this week it’s only showing in Southern California and New York :(

  7. Felton says:

    @36 Anonymous: I know it’s J. S. Bach, but I can’t remember what piece. I’ll see if I can find out.

  8. Felton says:

    @36 – Second movement of one of Bach’s concerti, BWV 1056, “Arioso.” It’s a beautiful piece. Very haunting in this context.

    I’m hoping this film is shown in Athens, but I’ll probably have to wait for the DVD.

  9. jlnueno says:

    it’s about the camera breaking. hardarh, you’re not special, everyone is underneath the influx of terrorism. some let the fear they feel rule them, let it justify the most abject deeds. others don’t. staitstically the chance you have of dying violently are similar to mine. furthremore, if israel wants to live in peace, why doesn’t it define its borders properly?

  10. rayerrolfox says:

    Xeni,
    As a journalist in Lebanon, I came to know Bashir well. He was a remarkable person–in a word, “magic.” Since your remarks regarding “Waltz with Bashir” are so astute and empathetic, I’d like to share who he was and some of what I had to say about him with you. Please go to http://sonofthecucumberking.blogspot.com/ and see “Who Was Bashir?”

    I also give my interpretation of the failure of “Waltz with Bashir” to win the Oscar it was so favored to win in “Cowboys and Indians” (on the blog).

    You’re a fine writer. Good to know you.

    Ray Errol Fox

  11. guston says:

    @Xeni
    Would be great if you could do an interview with the filmmaker. I’d especially like to hear his views on the conflict going on now.

  12. Takuan says:

    why not?

  13. Ugly Canuck says:

    Soldiers who suffer from what they’ve done ought to directly and unconditionally serve and aid the survivors of their cruel (albeit ‘ done under legitimate order’) actions.
    IDF soldiers (or indeed any conscience-stricken “warrior”, from any conflict, mutatis mutandi)) in such circumstances ought to literally go to work for the direct benefit of the Palestinians, perhaps physically or financially, from their own personal resources, caring for their elderly, their ill or their infants. They ought to, in addition and as an integral part of this action, directly lobby their Gov and fellow-citizens to bring about peace, which as ever will be achieved through the settlement of the Other’s grievances, whether such be real or only perceived.
    Atonement, I think it is called.
    Individual acts of unconditional generosity and kindness to adversaries, during a time of active war, has in the past served to help bring about peace.
    To repeat, IMO this applies to all sides, in all conflicts. The answer to war in the age of WMDs is kindness and gentility and aiding others not of your group.
    We are very many, yet we are one world.

  14. clenchner says:

    Xeni, I wanted to write you to say thank you. BoingBoing in general and you in particular have veered somewhat off the topic of ‘wonderful things’ to focus on Gaza, Israel, and Palestine. It’s important, and doesn’t come without risk.

    I run a blog devoted exclusively to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, so I know about the real psychic toll exacted by the folks who want to dump all their frustrations on someone else’s blog. May the readers and posters here try to remember that peace isn’t only the destination, it’s a way of walking.

    http://middleeast.change.org

    Last but not least, as someone who suffered from PTSD after my military service (in Israel) I’m glad for any opportunity to remind people that soldiers are, in so many cases, victims who remain ‘walking wounded’ for the rest of their lives. (See Gran Turino to see what I mean.)

  15. CelineM says:

    @XENI
    “I couldn’t help but think as I was watching last night (in a mostly empty art-house theater on the other side of town) that this captures what the young Israeli soldiers must be experiencing right now, and what the Palestinians in Gaza must be experiencing, as well.”

    Xeni, I really wish that in your mind (as well as your sentence) the experience of soldiers did not come BEFORE the “experience” of bombing and massacre victims.

    Must we categorically humanize Israeli soldiers without pause? I am sure many are their agaisnt their wishes/morals. But the history of the conflict is full of examples of brutality of some of soldiers in the IDF. They are the instrument, the brutal symbol, as well as the pawn, of Israel’s military occupation.

    That said I did love Folman’s film and applaud him for his courage.

  16. Ugly Canuck says:

    gentility = gentleness, in the above.

  17. bradalmanac says:

    While Xeni says to see it “… if it’s still playing in a theater where you live”, people should note that it is slowing rolling out to more theaters over the next few weeks. So if you can’t find it right now, keep an eye out in the near future.

    For those in the Boston area, it’ll be opening at the Kendall Square Cinema on the weekend of January 16th.

  18. IamInnocent says:


    Hadarh is in fear of his life, and has poor anxiety management strategies. My friend Graydon Saunders has been telling me for years that many of the world’s problems are caused by poor anxiety management.

    I can just imagine the oh-so-humane IDF dropping leaflets about anxiety management over Gaza prior to bombing the crap out of their children…

  19. Jack says:

    @#2 POSTED BY CELINEM:
    This film focuses on the horrors and pains that Israel soldiers specifically experienced. While I understand the idea that you believe the victims are being ignored, let’s face some facts: The IDF is so proud of itself it considers ANY discussion of PTSD or ANY doubt on the part of the IDF to be a sign of weakness.

    Really digest and grasp that for a second. As slow-to-change the U.S. military is, the U.S. military did come around to recognizing PTSD decades ago.

    Israel—in comparison—has only come around to BARELY acknowledging it in this past decade.

  20. oasisob1 says:

    Will this be out on DVD? I can almost guarantee it won’t play near where I live.

  21. a_user says:

    @Xeni
    ahh OMD – I remember being deeply moved the first time I heard “Stanlow” and years later reading about what the guys went through to record the machinery due to the bulky sound equipment

  22. tommyyork says:

    Xeni, where’s it playing in SF?

    I’d love to go see it soon.

  23. Raj77 says:

    I work in an arthouse cinema, and I’ve seen this a few times now. It doesn’t get any less powerful.

    We must be wary of the school of thought that warns us of “humanising” those with whom we disagree.

  24. Takuan says:

    hmmmph….I think you may have frightened him.

  25. CelineM says:

    @RAJ77 #8
    I was not complaining about the humanisation of those with whom I disagree. I was, in the context of overall biased and blind support Israel finds in the American audience, decrying the blanket humanisation (by which I mean sympathy shown for) Israeli soldiers at the expense of their victims. And at the expense of the truth of the complicity of many of their cadres, generals, and leaders in some of the ugliest atrocities in the region.

    The above does not mean I am against the humanisation of Israeli soldiers. If anything, all we need here is more humanisation on all fronts!!!

    THAT SAID: those soldiers who exercise their mandated service with ugly prejudice do exist and their brutality documented in hundreds of pages of human rights organizations. The IDF is not exactly a corps of saints.

    THAT SAID, PART II: There are those VERY BRAVE Israelis who refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories and wars of aggression and are punished by imprisonment by their government and abuse/ostracism by some in their society. (Website for Israeli refuseniks here: http://www.seruv.org.il)

  26. pilcrow says:

    Xeni–Thanks for posting this amazing link. I don’t miss the 80s, but I do miss some of the music. 8+)

    There is some back and forth about the concern that this may be an attempt at “humanizing” the actions of soldiers. I strongly disagree.

    Violence is very much a part of humanity and ignoring the fact that otherwise normal, perhaps even likeable people are quite capable of atrocious acts within a war zone is a disservice. In combat both the best and worst of humanity are laid bare for the world to see, on constant parade.

    I have yet to see the film so I can only evaluate the clip, which does show tanks rolling over cars and soldiers firing bullets randomly into the city. Given that, I don’t feel there has been an conscious attempt to gloss over the plight of victims.

  27. devophill says:

    My only thought (besides that this movie is obviously mind-blowing)-

    Waltz reminded me a lot of the film through which I first became aware of Wiley Wiggins’ work, too.

    Wait, you never saw Dazed And Confused? Dude, ignore the lame marketing! You need to remedy that soon.

  28. License Farm says:

    I saw this last Tues with one of my best friends and was absolutely blown away by it. It’s beautiful, it’s vivid, it’s occasionally hilarious, but it’s mostly deeply affecting. I now feel some amount of shame for being previously all but ignorant of the details of the first Israeli-Lebanese War. How does Israel rationalize their participation with such atrocities, especially in light of who they purport to represent? I think there’s a reason why the Jews were without a homeland for so long: we knew better. It’s a lesson we ought to take to heart here every time self-appointed agents of religious groups get too close to the steering wheel of national fate.

    But that, I suspect, is a thought better suited to another thread. I cannot wait to see what Forman does with THE FUTUROLOGICAL CONGRESS. Now how much do you want to bet the Oscars completely snub WALTZ WITH BASHIR for best animated feature, no nomination, no nothing, as they did with WAKING LIFE? Because as much love as I have for Pixar, this handily stomps all over WALL*E.

  29. CelineM says:

    #10
    “There is some back and forth about the concern that this may be an attempt at “humanizing” the actions of soldiers.”
    The thing is Pilcrow, that was not my concern. I was simply troubled that Xeni, after 7 days of the carnage in Gaza and before any one IDF soldier was yet killed, thought of the Israeli soldiers FIRST and the bombarded population second. (Read Xeni’s 3rd paragraph) and my post #2. That was my only beef. And I need to shout it out because so much of American media fails to humanise the victims because they are the Other: the bearded and the veiled.
    It is a nuanced difference and I know I am being picky. And you guys, and Xeni, you are all coming from a good place and I agree with you: all deserve to be humanised.

    • Xeni Jardin says:

      Xeni, I really wish that in your mind (as well as your sentence) the experience of soldiers did not come BEFORE the “experience” of bombing and massacre victims.

      Oh GMAFB. CelineM, honestly, comments like the one you posted here are profoundly annoying.

      You got a beef with CNN, take it up with CNN. You got a beef with Ari Folman, you take it up with Ari Folman.

      Boing Boing isn’t “the media,” and it isn’t “cable news,” this is a blog. My blog, our blog, and we’re not owned by GE or Time Warner or the Israeli government or the guys in the black helicopters.

      Listen, in the comment thread for the Gaza-related post just before this, a presumably pro-IDF commenter is criticizing me for being too sympathetic to the Palestinians, because I posted side-by-side images of Palestinian flags and Israeli flags at a protest in Boston and the Palestinian flags took up more pixel space within the left-side image than the Israeli flag did in the right-side image.

      Both complaints are misplaced.

      This movie was an autobiographical film by an Israeli guy who served in the Israeli military. I don’t have to justify my sentence structure to you or anyone, but my point is that the film first brings us deeply inside his personal experience, then the film immerses us, horribly, into the experience of his victims — the Palestinian victims of the war, and specifically those who were massacred at Sabra and Shatila. That’s called story structure, not measuring one experience as being more worthy of empathy than the other. My sentence here was a quick attempt at summarizing the flow of the film.

      I don’t know if you actually watched the film, or really read my post here, but there is no attempt on my part to minimize the suffering involved on the Palestinian side.

  30. Ugly Canuck says:

    You may call me a dreamer
    But I’m not the only one.

    PS The flick looks good too.

  31. GeekMan says:

    I saw this film on Wednesday last week. It was excellent and its format, both visual and autobiographical, was unique.

    Can we please not have this thread descend into yet another “Who is more evil: Israelis or Palestinians” thread? This page is about the movie, and political-racial pissing contests have no place here.

  32. CelineM says:

    @GEEKMAN
    How have the comments been a pissing contest? How do you characterize any one of the posts as racist, and how is dialogue about race and politics not good?

    How can we silence discussion when the world is burning? Is the goal of Ari Folman for his film’s audience to talk about the movie in isolation from its grim reality?

    • Antinous says:

      Is the goal of Ari Folman for his film’s audience to talk about the movie in isolation from its grim reality?

      No, but there is a current thread where this discussion would be more appropriate. It’s a bit like shooting fish in a barrel to do it here when you could actually talk to Israeli bloggers in the other thread. Also, PTSD is a valid subject on its own and this is a forum for discussing the conflict from that angle. Trust me, you don’t want to upset the PTSDers. We overreact.

  33. Johnny Cat says:

    The National Society of Film Critics has chosen Waltz With Bashir as the Best Picture of 2008.

  34. hadarh says:

    First of all, I wasn’t scared away. I was in a bomb shelter, so oops no internet connection.

    And yeah, I have an anxiety problem, it’s true, all of Israel does. and I’m sure the palestinians do as well.

    Listen, every time I take the bus, sit in a cafe, or go to a club I have to think about – hey I might die tonight. I don’t get leaflets telling me a bomb is gonna drop in the area so I can avoid it, so yeah I have major anxiety issues. wouldn’t you?

    My post wasn’t about trying to get pity from anyone, but you need to understand as well.

    Oh and as for license farm being a Jew. well great. so what. that gives you the license to say what you want? and it did sound like you think the whole existence of Israel is a problem so sorry if my reaction was a bit intense for you but I’m not taking it back.

    The palestinians are suffering, Israel is using much greater force then they are capable of using back. The people of Gaza are suffering.

    I think everyone knows that this current war will not bring peace to the area or any kind of permanent solution but after 6 years of being shelled without leaflets, people want quiet.

    I just have one more thing to say. Are you guys sure you’re getting all the information? There’s stuff that’s being published here that I haven’t seen or heard in any of the western news media. Hamas killing its own for one. Using the war as an opportunity to eliminate the Fatah activists in Gaza. Have you seen the horrible video of Hamas gathering a group of Fatah men in front of a wall, shooting their legs, and then verifying death with a bullet in each of them?

    Releasing the people of Gaza from Hamas would be the most humane things the world can aspire to right now. the people are dying because the money given to hamas is used for building tunnels to egypt and for arms instead of food and infrastructure.

    Hamas being elected democratically means nothing. Mubarak is elected with 99% of the vote each time, so is Asad – do you think those are democracies?

    I find it harder and harder to side with my country in this offensive because of the rising civilian death toll. however, I don’t know what of this number are hamas caused casualties, and I also think that if is possible that Fatah will have a chance to rebuilt Gaza in a just way, and give its people some hope for a better life, then at least maybe we will have some hope to live.

    who knows.

  35. padster123 says:

    It’s a fascinating film. Some moments of extraordinary beauty, as well as total horror. Very much told from an Israeli point of view, and the horrors it contains happen to be carried out by Christian militia, with the Israeli military culpable only through credulity/inaction during the massacre. So in that sense, it’s not any kind of admission of guilt from an Israeli point of view. However, any honest, poetic, novel messages from this perpetual war zone are welcome. Go see it!

  36. GeekMan says:

    How do you characterize any one of the posts as racist(?)

    I didn’t. Don’t put words in my mouth.

    How can we silence discussion when the world is burning?

    Dramatic. But compared with the rest of the planet, the conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians is relatively minuscule. It is just another expression of a base human desire to demonize and kill “The Other”, a desire which did not begin with this conflict, nor end with it.

    Is the goal of Ari Folman for his film’s audience to talk about the movie in isolation from its grim reality?

    No, but I also doubt very much it was his intention to demonize his own nation and people either, as some might suggest. His film is clearly sympathetic to all “sides” of the conflict at various points.

    In the end, Waltz With Bashir doesn’t NEED to be a political movie to have artistic value. It is a movie about us: human beings. And until Israelis, Palestinians, and ALL human beings can realize such a thing, conflict will never end.

  37. CelineM says:

    @XENI
    I apologize and regret I have upset you, Xeni. Because in all honestly I think you are doing the whole world a great service by posting about this film. I just maintain that I have a feeling americans as individuals still harbour a biased view of the palestinian side of the conflict. Again, if my presumption regards what’s on your mind was wrong, I owe you an apology.

    I did watch the film here in Jerusalem at the wonderful Israeli Cinematheque.

    I’m going to tone it down b/c I think I’ve said enough.

    • Xeni Jardin says:

      @CelineM

      I just maintain that I have a feeling americans as individuals still harbour a biased view of the palestinian side of the conflict

      I agree strongly with you there, and I agree with the core concerns you raised, and I agree that citizens who choose not to participate in state-sponsored violence are brave folk — probably a lot braver than I, who have never been forced to make that decision.

      Thank you for your comments here, even the ones with which I took issue. I appreciate your kindness and I am not upset at you.

      @#18 padster123, I think that’s a fair assessment, and probably why the film has apparently received so much support from the state. I am curious as to how it has been received in the Arab world.

  38. GeekMan says:

    @#16 – Well done, Xeni

  39. Shay says:

    @Xeni
    When you wrote on twitter you were going to see Waltz with Bashir I was secretly hoping you’d post about it so that others will go see it as well.

    It’s a very powerful film, and contrary to what is suggested here on the thread, in my opinion it manages to avoid being overtly political.

    It’s human.

    I wrote in my review of the film that there’s something very epic, or “larger than life” in Hollywood war (or anti-war) films. It makes it so hard to see the human dimension.

    Israeli (anti-)war films in the tradition of Avanti Popolo or Kippur somehow manage to bring it down to the human level.
    I don’t know if it’s because I’m Israeli or not, but I could really identify with Ari in the film. I felt like it could be me up there on the screen.
    This is just as much my own personal mea culpa, as it is Ari’s.

    Historically, the Sabra and Shatilla massacre had a profound affect on the Israeli public. Ari masterfully touches upon a very sore spot in the Israeli collective conscience, dances around it again and again until finally showing us the horror of our burden in real life colours.

    When the film ended, many people in the theatre were wiping tears off their cheeks.

    (Myself included).

  40. Takuan says:

    guess I’ll be buying this one for the library. Seems to be a few torrents for the impatient.

  41. Shay says:

    @Takuan 24 – I suggest waiting for the DVD. I recently heard from Polonsky & co. that they might be doing the behind-the-scenes featurette as an animation too.

  42. Raj77 says:

    18-year-old Israeli conscripts are as worthy of compassion as 18-year-old Hamas fired-up Hamas volunteers, and 18-year-old Wehrmacht conscripts in 1940. It’s not about sides, it’s about the effects of conflict on individuals and generations.

  43. Narmitaj says:

    I was interested in seeing the film as I was born and lived ten years in Beirut. It’s a good film and well worth seeing, but of course, focussing as it does on events in 1982 and 20+ years later from the POV of an invading army, it doesn’t – to say the least – much reflect my 1960s childhood memories of beaches, skiing, Roman ruins, the golf club, birthday parties, big international hotels, the British Community School and drinking airlines pilots (of which my father was one).

    The last time I was in Beirut before the civil war of 75/76 (or 75-90) was April 1975, and I didn’t visit again until 1993/4 when a fair amount had changed (but not everything – and as well as damage, there was a lot of new building).

    Still, it was surreal to see Waltz With Bashir, not just because of the hallucinatory animated style. As kids in 1968 or so we used to swim and play at a now-gone Olympic-size pool with 10m diving boards next to what was then the Cite Sportive stadium (notorious in its own right in the massacres) alongside the Sabra and Chatila camps, as you can see from those links. Imagine your own happy childhood stamping grounds turned into a byword for chaos, killing and destruction.

  44. CelineM says:

    Below are snippets from Robert Fisk’s 2001 account of his experiences as a war correspondent in Sabra and Shatila as well of new eyewitness accounts that emerged during a lawsuit against Ariel Sharon in Belgium (for his involvement as Israel’s Defense Minister at the time).

    Some quotes:

    Sana Sersawi, speaks carefully, loudly but slowly, as she recalls the chaotic… events that overwhelmed her just over 19 years ago, on 18 September 1982… She stops to search her memory when she confronts the most terrible moments of her life. “The Lebanese Forces militia [Phalangists] had taken us from our homes and marched us up to the entrance to the camp where a large hole had been dug in the earth. The men were told to get into it. Then the militiamen shot a Palestinian. The women and children had climbed over bodies to reach this spot, but we were truly shocked by seeing this man killed in front of us and there was a roar of shouting and screams from the women. That’s when we heard the Israelis on loudspeakers shouting, ‘Give us the men, give us the men.’ We thought, ‘Thank God, they will save us.’” It was to prove a cruelly false hope.

    In the rest of her account Sana indicates that the Israelis took both her husband and her son-in-law to be interrogated in a different area from the women and children, before they were handed over to the Phalangists.

    I post this because the film is in no small part about a massacre whose history is still being written.

    • Antinous says:

      Celine,

      I appreciate your concern, but I also know how to Google. What you’re doing is astroturfing. Drop Teresa or me a note and tell us why we should reinstate your account.

      • Xeni Jardin says:

        @Antinous, shit dude, really? I let myself get baited into arguing with an astroturfer? hahahah, fail.

        • Antinous says:

          I think that some people literally don’t realize that traveling the web making the exact same argument in multiple discussions might be considered somewhat anti-social behavior.

  45. Antinous says:

    Wow. There are only three theaters showing it within 200 miles of me and I live in Southern California. That’s pathetic.

  46. Yozef says:

    This movie was banned in Lebanon – You can watch the full movie here thanks to a few rebels – Watch: Waltz with Bashir

  47. Anonymous says:

    I’m in Lebanon, and I doubt the movie will be released here, in theatres or on DVD. So I’ll probably have to torrent it. Looks interesting.

  48. Teresa Nielsen Hayden / Community Manager says:

    Hadarh is in fear of his life, and has poor anxiety management strategies. My friend Graydon Saunders has been telling me for years that many of the world’s problems are caused by poor anxiety management. I’ve gradually been coming to see what he means.

    Terrorism is the bluntest of blunt weapons. You cannot use it to get a nuanced message across. When you terrorize a people, you make it hard for all of them to think straight; but what you do to many of them is convince them that anything they do is justified if it “defends” them against the thing that has frightened them.

    The usual outcome of this is that a whole lot of people come to approve of doing stupid, vicious things in the name of “defense”. Since stupidity and viciousness are seldom well-targeted, these actions terrorize whole new populations.

    From this, I conclude a number of things; but chief among them is that no one can fight terrorism by bombing the shit out of civilians.

  49. themiddleroad says:

    War sucks. Both sides do naughty things. It messes up those who are involved. Is this all now some kind of revelation? Get real.

  50. License Farm says:

    No, he doesn’t. He has an axe to grind, and I gave him the flimsiest excuse to do so. But though I doubt he’ll be following up on his rant, let me make sure I state:

    I am a Jew.

    At least so far as people who feel the need to define that term would be concerned. That I do not practice the Jewish faith nor believe in being Jewish as an ethnicity tends to be of little interest to those taking a head count. Of course, those are precisely the people who soured my opinion of Judaism in the first place. Lovely bit of irony, that.

  51. Jeff says:

    Hey, moderator, I wanted to jump back into BoingBoing Land and have my first comment be to you. It’s such a weird reality at times. I was just thinking a little while ago about you and something you had said a while back (maybe a year ago) concerning anxiety disorders/and medications. So I come here and read about you commenting on anxiety. I think that’s so odd, but cool. Anyway, I’m here to help with my own anxiety disorder. Hope things have been cool around here for the last six months, or however long it’s been since I was here.

  52. Anonymous says:

    Do any of you know the name of the classical piano song/piece that’s played at the end of th clip?
    Thanks in advance

  53. michaeleff says:

    An amazing film, so glad to see it discussed here. Animation can be so subversive and more effectively get under the skin and into ths soul of audiences than the majority of standard documentary films precisely because of the apparent paradoxes of “veracity” and “art”. I saw the film in a jam-packed cinema at the Ottawa Int’l Animation festival in September, and it’s absolutely true that not a single person in that animation-geek audience left the cinema unchanged.

    The animation world, of which I’m a card-carrying geek member, has celebrated two great “animated documentary” features these past two years (Persepolis being the other). Change happens where we sometimes least expect it.

    I believe Waltz With Bashir is Israel’s official Academy Award entry for Best Foreign Feature…that should ensure a much wider distribution, much deserved.

  54. hadarh says:

    to # 34

    “I think there’s a reason why the Jews were without a homeland for so long: we knew better.”

    Y – G F**^& Yrslf!

    The complexities of the Lebanon war go further then to be explained here. Why don’t you crack a couple of history book before you speak. And when I say couple, that’s exactly what I mean. you need to get a full perspective of things before you form an opinion, and the history of this area goes back not just 10 or 20 years but a hack of a lot longer.

    Why don’t you think of what you’re saying about another people before you deny them the right to live?

    In the same coin you can say, blacks should have never been freed, women should have never been given the right to vote, protestants should have fled to the new world to start a new free nation, Christianity, which brought destruction and hurt to the world at large (see middle east specific crusades, suffering in Africa, inquisition..) is a cursed religion and all those who participate in it should never be given rights to talk about other.

    Do you know what pogroms are? They are when god fearing Christians in Europe used to go to the Jewish villages to pillage, rape, kill and use those people as scapegoats for their suffering. I’m not talking holocaust. I’m talking about events that preceded he holocaust and were occurring for 200 years and more before it.

    There haven’t been any because you gave them Jews a state.

    You are an ignorant person.

    Killing is wrong. In Gaza, Lebanon, and Israel. No one in Israel wants to die. no one wants to send their kids to live through what ari did in waltz.

    But you can’t go an deny a nation’s rights, a peoples rights, because you’ve never learned any history.

    Please. The suffering of the Palestinian people hurts me. my soul. but I don’t want to die.

    I DON’T WANT TO DIE.

    I want to practice my Arabic over coffee in Beirut one day, and travel to the west bank without fear.

    I WANT TO LIVE. without fear. In peaceful quiet with my neighbors, the Palestinians, to whom I ma willing to assist in every way so they can build a country of their own, sufficient and successful.

    If this does not get posted due to the politics of the post or to the strong emotions, fine.

    But NO ONE, responded to that comment. I had to.

  55. Art Carnage says:

    Animated documentary? I’m thinking… no. Do we really have to explain the meaning of those two words, and why they don’t go together?

  56. reginald says:

    this is a great film, a marriage of animation and documentary that we have not seen before (correct me if i am wrong)
    highly recommended

  57. hadarh says:

    Oh and yeah – I forgot. Why did Israel support the phalangist militant organization during the Lebanon civil war? because they thought the Christians wouldn’t turn into Hezbollah.

    You can read a little of the Lebanon war at least at wikipedia –

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War

    Also about the massacres that preceded Sabra and Shatila –

    Damour massacre – where around 500 christian Lebanese were massacred by PLO militias (Palestinian liberation organization)

    Karantina massacre – where around 1,000 Palestinians were massacred by christian phalanges

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