Comments on: Waltz With Bashir http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 18 Jun 2013 23:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-383496 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-383496 hi, i'm looking for the "lullaby" played when the girl in white dress comes behind the car(it looks like an ice cream car) anyone knows the name of that song? hi, i’m looking for the “lullaby” played when the girl in white dress comes behind the car(it looks like an ice cream car)
anyone knows the name of that song?

]]> By: WA http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-376331 WA Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-376331 Err, Hadarh, I'm rather certain you may have <i>completely</i> misinterpreted that remark. What makes you think that License Farm is talking about "another people", and "denying them the right to live"? I can see how the remark could be misinterpreted to actually be quite offensive, and perhaps it would have been better written with an extra "we" to make it less ambiguous. You might want to look at License Farm's comment history. Err, Hadarh, I’m rather certain you may have completely misinterpreted that remark. What makes you think that License Farm is talking about “another people”, and “denying them the right to live”?

I can see how the remark could be misinterpreted to actually be quite offensive, and perhaps it would have been better written with an extra “we” to make it less ambiguous. You might want to look at License Farm’s comment history.

]]> By: UUbuntu http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-370701 UUbuntu Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-370701 Terry Gross (Fresh Air) had a 25 minute interview with Ari Folman two weeks ago, just as the (whatever we're calling this) started. Essentially, he rejects violence in any form, and I cannot imagine that he would support any of the Israeli actions in Gaza. Please note that that's NOT the same as supporting the Palestinian militants' actions. It's a rejection of violence as a means of solving problems. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98634515 I await the release of the movie in the Boston area. Terry Gross (Fresh Air) had a 25 minute interview with Ari Folman two weeks ago, just as the (whatever we’re calling this) started. Essentially, he rejects violence in any form, and I cannot imagine that he would support any of the Israeli actions in Gaza. Please note that that’s NOT the same as supporting the Palestinian militants’ actions. It’s a rejection of violence as a means of solving problems.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=98634515

I await the release of the movie in the Boston area.

]]> By: IamInnocent http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-376079 IamInnocent Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-376079 The film is a Golden Globe winner tonight. Might help with distribution :) The film is a Golden Globe winner tonight.
Might help with distribution :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-399639 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-399639 @anonymous message #36: The clip above can no longer be viewed but from watching the film you're probably looking for Bach's Harpsichord Concerto in F minor, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UElq5e-KyOg. @anonymous message #36:
The clip above can no longer be viewed but from watching the film you’re probably looking for Bach’s Harpsichord Concerto in F minor, see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UElq5e-KyOg.

]]> By: friendofrobots http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-370711 friendofrobots Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-370711 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185616/cinemashowtimes Apparently this week it's only showing in Southern California and New York :( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1185616/cinemashowtimes

Apparently this week it’s only showing in Southern California and New York :(

]]> By: Felton http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-370715 Felton Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-370715 @36 Anonymous: I know it's J. S. Bach, but I can't remember what piece. I'll see if I can find out. @36 Anonymous: I know it’s J. S. Bach, but I can’t remember what piece. I’ll see if I can find out.

]]> By: Takuan http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-370727 Takuan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-370727 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZCOVMjCtMU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZCOVMjCtMU

]]> By: Felton http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-370731 Felton Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-370731 @36 - Second movement of one of Bach's concerti, BWV 1056, "Arioso." It's a beautiful piece. Very haunting in this context. I'm hoping this film is shown in Athens, but I'll probably have to wait for the DVD. @36 – Second movement of one of Bach’s concerti, BWV 1056, “Arioso.” It’s a beautiful piece. Very haunting in this context.

I’m hoping this film is shown in Athens, but I’ll probably have to wait for the DVD.

]]> By: jlnueno http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-382507 jlnueno Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-382507 it's about the camera breaking. hardarh, you're not special, everyone is underneath the influx of terrorism. some let the fear they feel rule them, let it justify the most abject deeds. others don't. staitstically the chance you have of dying violently are similar to mine. furthremore, if israel wants to live in peace, why doesn't it define its borders properly? it’s about the camera breaking. hardarh, you’re not special, everyone is underneath the influx of terrorism. some let the fear they feel rule them, let it justify the most abject deeds. others don’t. staitstically the chance you have of dying violently are similar to mine. furthremore, if israel wants to live in peace, why doesn’t it define its borders properly?

]]> By: rayerrolfox http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-436781 rayerrolfox Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-436781 Xeni, As a journalist in Lebanon, I came to know Bashir well. He was a remarkable person--in a word, "magic." Since your remarks regarding “Waltz with Bashir” are so astute and empathetic, I'd like to share who he was and some of what I had to say about him with you. Please go to http://sonofthecucumberking.blogspot.com/ and see “Who Was Bashir?” I also give my interpretation of the failure of “Waltz with Bashir” to win the Oscar it was so favored to win in “Cowboys and Indians” (on the blog). You're a fine writer. Good to know you. Ray Errol Fox Xeni,
As a journalist in Lebanon, I came to know Bashir well. He was a remarkable person–in a word, “magic.” Since your remarks regarding “Waltz with Bashir” are so astute and empathetic, I’d like to share who he was and some of what I had to say about him with you. Please go to http://sonofthecucumberking.blogspot.com/ and see “Who Was Bashir?”

I also give my interpretation of the failure of “Waltz with Bashir” to win the Oscar it was so favored to win in “Cowboys and Indians” (on the blog).

You’re a fine writer. Good to know you.

Ray Errol Fox

]]> By: guston http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-370478 guston Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-370478 @Xeni Would be great if you could do an interview with the filmmaker. I'd especially like to hear his views on the conflict going on now. @Xeni
Would be great if you could do an interview with the filmmaker. I’d especially like to hear his views on the conflict going on now.

]]> By: Takuan http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369722 Takuan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369722 why not? why not?

]]> By: Ugly Canuck http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369979 Ugly Canuck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369979 Soldiers who suffer from what they've done ought to directly and unconditionally serve and aid the survivors of their cruel (albeit ' done under legitimate order') actions. IDF soldiers (or indeed any conscience-stricken "warrior", from any conflict, mutatis mutandi)) in such circumstances ought to literally go to work for the direct benefit of the Palestinians, perhaps physically or financially, from their own personal resources, caring for their elderly, their ill or their infants. They ought to, in addition and as an integral part of this action, directly lobby their Gov and fellow-citizens to bring about peace, which as ever will be achieved through the settlement of the Other's grievances, whether such be real or only perceived. Atonement, I think it is called. Individual acts of unconditional generosity and kindness to adversaries, during a time of active war, has in the past served to help bring about peace. To repeat, IMO this applies to all sides, in all conflicts. The answer to war in the age of WMDs is kindness and gentility and aiding others not of your group. We are very many, yet we are one world. Soldiers who suffer from what they’ve done ought to directly and unconditionally serve and aid the survivors of their cruel (albeit ‘ done under legitimate order’) actions.
IDF soldiers (or indeed any conscience-stricken “warrior”, from any conflict, mutatis mutandi)) in such circumstances ought to literally go to work for the direct benefit of the Palestinians, perhaps physically or financially, from their own personal resources, caring for their elderly, their ill or their infants. They ought to, in addition and as an integral part of this action, directly lobby their Gov and fellow-citizens to bring about peace, which as ever will be achieved through the settlement of the Other’s grievances, whether such be real or only perceived.
Atonement, I think it is called.
Individual acts of unconditional generosity and kindness to adversaries, during a time of active war, has in the past served to help bring about peace.
To repeat, IMO this applies to all sides, in all conflicts. The answer to war in the age of WMDs is kindness and gentility and aiding others not of your group.
We are very many, yet we are one world.

]]> By: clenchner http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369470 clenchner Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369470 Xeni, I wanted to write you to say thank you. BoingBoing in general and you in particular have veered somewhat off the topic of 'wonderful things' to focus on Gaza, Israel, and Palestine. It's important, and doesn't come without risk. I run a blog devoted exclusively to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, so I know about the real psychic toll exacted by the folks who want to dump all their frustrations on someone else's blog. May the readers and posters here try to remember that peace isn't only the destination, it's a way of walking. http://middleeast.change.org Last but not least, as someone who suffered from PTSD after my military service (in Israel) I'm glad for any opportunity to remind people that soldiers are, in so many cases, victims who remain 'walking wounded' for the rest of their lives. (See Gran Turino to see what I mean.) Xeni, I wanted to write you to say thank you. BoingBoing in general and you in particular have veered somewhat off the topic of ‘wonderful things’ to focus on Gaza, Israel, and Palestine. It’s important, and doesn’t come without risk.

I run a blog devoted exclusively to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, so I know about the real psychic toll exacted by the folks who want to dump all their frustrations on someone else’s blog. May the readers and posters here try to remember that peace isn’t only the destination, it’s a way of walking.

http://middleeast.change.org

Last but not least, as someone who suffered from PTSD after my military service (in Israel) I’m glad for any opportunity to remind people that soldiers are, in so many cases, victims who remain ‘walking wounded’ for the rest of their lives. (See Gran Turino to see what I mean.)

]]> By: CelineM http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369476 CelineM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369476 @XENI "I couldn't help but think as I was watching last night (in a mostly empty art-house theater on the other side of town) that this captures what the young Israeli soldiers must be experiencing right now, and what the Palestinians in Gaza must be experiencing, as well." Xeni, I really wish that in your mind (as well as your sentence) the experience of soldiers did not come BEFORE the "experience" of bombing and massacre victims. Must we categorically humanize Israeli soldiers without pause? I am sure many are their agaisnt their wishes/morals. But the history of the conflict is full of examples of brutality of some of soldiers in the IDF. They are the instrument, the brutal symbol, as well as the pawn, of Israel's military occupation. That said I did love Folman's film and applaud him for his courage. @XENI
“I couldn’t help but think as I was watching last night (in a mostly empty art-house theater on the other side of town) that this captures what the young Israeli soldiers must be experiencing right now, and what the Palestinians in Gaza must be experiencing, as well.”

Xeni, I really wish that in your mind (as well as your sentence) the experience of soldiers did not come BEFORE the “experience” of bombing and massacre victims.

Must we categorically humanize Israeli soldiers without pause? I am sure many are their agaisnt their wishes/morals. But the history of the conflict is full of examples of brutality of some of soldiers in the IDF. They are the instrument, the brutal symbol, as well as the pawn, of Israel’s military occupation.

That said I did love Folman’s film and applaud him for his courage.

]]> By: Ugly Canuck http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369988 Ugly Canuck Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369988 gentility = gentleness, in the above. gentility = gentleness, in the above.

]]> By: bradalmanac http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369477 bradalmanac Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369477 While Xeni says to see it "... if it's still playing in a theater where you live", people should note that it is slowing rolling out to more theaters over the next few weeks. So if you can't find it right now, keep an eye out in the near future. For those in the Boston area, it'll be opening at the Kendall Square Cinema on the weekend of January 16th. While Xeni says to see it “… if it’s still playing in a theater where you live”, people should note that it is slowing rolling out to more theaters over the next few weeks. So if you can’t find it right now, keep an eye out in the near future.

For those in the Boston area, it’ll be opening at the Kendall Square Cinema on the weekend of January 16th.

]]> By: IamInnocent http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-379718 IamInnocent Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-379718 <i> Hadarh is in fear of his life, and has poor anxiety management strategies. My friend Graydon Saunders has been telling me for years that many of the world's problems are caused by poor anxiety management.</i> I can just imagine the oh-so-humane IDF dropping leaflets about anxiety management over Gaza prior to bombing the crap out of their children...
Hadarh is in fear of his life, and has poor anxiety management strategies. My friend Graydon Saunders has been telling me for years that many of the world’s problems are caused by poor anxiety management.
I can just imagine the oh-so-humane IDF dropping leaflets about anxiety management over Gaza prior to bombing the crap out of their children…

]]> By: Jack http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369480 Jack Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369480 @#2 POSTED BY CELINEM: This film focuses on the horrors and pains that Israel soldiers specifically experienced. While I understand the idea that you believe the victims are being ignored, let's face some facts: The IDF is so proud of itself it considers ANY discussion of PTSD or ANY doubt on the part of the IDF to be a sign of weakness. Really digest and grasp that for a second. As slow-to-change the U.S. military is, the U.S. military did come around to recognizing PTSD decades ago. Israel—in comparison—has only come around to BARELY acknowledging it in this past decade. @#2 POSTED BY CELINEM:
This film focuses on the horrors and pains that Israel soldiers specifically experienced. While I understand the idea that you believe the victims are being ignored, let’s face some facts: The IDF is so proud of itself it considers ANY discussion of PTSD or ANY doubt on the part of the IDF to be a sign of weakness.

Really digest and grasp that for a second. As slow-to-change the U.S. military is, the U.S. military did come around to recognizing PTSD decades ago.

Israel—in comparison—has only come around to BARELY acknowledging it in this past decade.

]]> By: oasisob1 http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369485 oasisob1 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369485 Will this be out on DVD? I can almost guarantee it won't play near where I live. Will this be out on DVD? I can almost guarantee it won’t play near where I live.

]]> By: a_user http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369486 a_user Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369486 @Xeni ahh OMD - I remember being deeply moved the first time I heard "Stanlow" and years later reading about what the guys went through to record the machinery due to the bulky sound equipment @Xeni
ahh OMD – I remember being deeply moved the first time I heard “Stanlow” and years later reading about what the guys went through to record the machinery due to the bulky sound equipment

]]> By: tommyyork http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369504 tommyyork Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369504 Xeni, where's it playing in SF? I'd love to go see it soon. Xeni, where’s it playing in SF?

I’d love to go see it soon.

]]> By: Raj77 http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369511 Raj77 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369511 I work in an arthouse cinema, and I've seen this a few times now. It doesn't get any less powerful. We must be wary of the school of thought that warns us of "humanising" those with whom we disagree. I work in an arthouse cinema, and I’ve seen this a few times now. It doesn’t get any less powerful.

We must be wary of the school of thought that warns us of “humanising” those with whom we disagree.

]]> By: Takuan http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-378217 Takuan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-378217 hmmmph....I think you may have frightened him. hmmmph….I think you may have frightened him.

]]> By: CelineM http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369526 CelineM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369526 @RAJ77 #8 I was not complaining about the humanisation of those with whom I disagree. I was, in the context of overall biased and blind support Israel finds in the American audience, decrying the blanket humanisation (by which I mean sympathy shown for) Israeli soldiers at the expense of their victims. And at the expense of the truth of the complicity of many of their cadres, generals, and leaders in some of the ugliest atrocities in the region. The above does not mean I am against the humanisation of Israeli soldiers. If anything, all we need here is more humanisation on all fronts!!! THAT SAID: those soldiers who exercise their mandated service with ugly prejudice do exist and their brutality documented in hundreds of pages of human rights organizations. The IDF is not exactly a corps of saints. THAT SAID, PART II: There are those VERY BRAVE Israelis who refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories and wars of aggression and are punished by imprisonment by their government and abuse/ostracism by some in their society. (Website for Israeli refuseniks here: www.seruv.org.il) @RAJ77 #8
I was not complaining about the humanisation of those with whom I disagree. I was, in the context of overall biased and blind support Israel finds in the American audience, decrying the blanket humanisation (by which I mean sympathy shown for) Israeli soldiers at the expense of their victims. And at the expense of the truth of the complicity of many of their cadres, generals, and leaders in some of the ugliest atrocities in the region.

The above does not mean I am against the humanisation of Israeli soldiers. If anything, all we need here is more humanisation on all fronts!!!

THAT SAID: those soldiers who exercise their mandated service with ugly prejudice do exist and their brutality documented in hundreds of pages of human rights organizations. The IDF is not exactly a corps of saints.

THAT SAID, PART II: There are those VERY BRAVE Israelis who refuse to serve in the Occupied Territories and wars of aggression and are punished by imprisonment by their government and abuse/ostracism by some in their society. (Website for Israeli refuseniks here: http://www.seruv.org.il)

]]> By: pilcrow http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369534 pilcrow Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369534 Xeni--Thanks for posting this amazing link. I don't miss the 80s, but I do miss some of the music. 8+) There is some back and forth about the concern that this may be an attempt at "humanizing" the actions of soldiers. I strongly disagree. Violence is very much a part of humanity and ignoring the fact that otherwise normal, perhaps even likeable people are quite capable of atrocious acts within a war zone is a disservice. In combat both the best and worst of humanity are laid bare for the world to see, on constant parade. I have yet to see the film so I can only evaluate the clip, which does show tanks rolling over cars and soldiers firing bullets randomly into the city. Given that, I don't feel there has been an conscious attempt to gloss over the plight of victims. Xeni–Thanks for posting this amazing link. I don’t miss the 80s, but I do miss some of the music. 8+)

There is some back and forth about the concern that this may be an attempt at “humanizing” the actions of soldiers. I strongly disagree.

Violence is very much a part of humanity and ignoring the fact that otherwise normal, perhaps even likeable people are quite capable of atrocious acts within a war zone is a disservice. In combat both the best and worst of humanity are laid bare for the world to see, on constant parade.

I have yet to see the film so I can only evaluate the clip, which does show tanks rolling over cars and soldiers firing bullets randomly into the city. Given that, I don’t feel there has been an conscious attempt to gloss over the plight of victims.

]]> By: devophill http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369545 devophill Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369545 My only thought (besides that this movie is obviously mind-blowing)- <blockquote>Waltz reminded me a lot of the film through which I first became aware of Wiley Wiggins' work, too.</blockquote> Wait, you never saw Dazed And Confused? Dude, ignore the lame marketing! You need to remedy that soon. My only thought (besides that this movie is obviously mind-blowing)-
Waltz reminded me a lot of the film through which I first became aware of Wiley Wiggins’ work, too.

Wait, you never saw Dazed And Confused? Dude, ignore the lame marketing! You need to remedy that soon.

]]> By: License Farm http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369801 License Farm Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369801 I saw this last Tues with one of my best friends and was absolutely blown away by it. It's beautiful, it's vivid, it's occasionally hilarious, but it's mostly deeply affecting. I now feel some amount of shame for being previously all but ignorant of the details of the first Israeli-Lebanese War. How does Israel rationalize their participation with such atrocities, especially in light of who they purport to represent? I think there's a reason why the Jews were without a homeland for so long: we knew better. It's a lesson we ought to take to heart here every time self-appointed agents of religious groups get too close to the steering wheel of national fate. But that, I suspect, is a thought better suited to another thread. I cannot wait to see what Forman does with THE FUTUROLOGICAL CONGRESS. Now how much do you want to bet the Oscars completely snub WALTZ WITH BASHIR for best animated feature, no nomination, no nothing, as they did with WAKING LIFE? Because as much love as I have for Pixar, this handily stomps all over WALL*E. I saw this last Tues with one of my best friends and was absolutely blown away by it. It’s beautiful, it’s vivid, it’s occasionally hilarious, but it’s mostly deeply affecting. I now feel some amount of shame for being previously all but ignorant of the details of the first Israeli-Lebanese War. How does Israel rationalize their participation with such atrocities, especially in light of who they purport to represent? I think there’s a reason why the Jews were without a homeland for so long: we knew better. It’s a lesson we ought to take to heart here every time self-appointed agents of religious groups get too close to the steering wheel of national fate.

But that, I suspect, is a thought better suited to another thread. I cannot wait to see what Forman does with THE FUTUROLOGICAL CONGRESS. Now how much do you want to bet the Oscars completely snub WALTZ WITH BASHIR for best animated feature, no nomination, no nothing, as they did with WAKING LIFE? Because as much love as I have for Pixar, this handily stomps all over WALL*E.

]]> By: CelineM http://boingboing.net/2009/01/04/waltz-with-bashir.html#comment-369546 CelineM Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-369546 #10 "There is some back and forth about the concern that this may be an attempt at "humanizing" the actions of soldiers." The thing is Pilcrow, that was not my concern. I was simply troubled that Xeni, after 7 days of the carnage in Gaza and before any one IDF soldier was yet killed, thought of the Israeli soldiers FIRST and the bombarded population second. (Read Xeni's 3rd paragraph) and my post #2. That was my only beef. And I need to shout it out because so much of American media fails to humanise the victims because they are the Other: the bearded and the veiled. It is a nuanced difference and I know I am being picky. And you guys, and Xeni, you are all coming from a good place and I agree with you: all deserve to be humanised. #10
“There is some back and forth about the concern that this may be an attempt at “humanizing” the actions of soldiers.”
The thing is Pilcrow, that was not my concern. I was simply troubled that Xeni, after 7 days of the carnage in Gaza and before any one IDF soldier was yet killed, thought of the Israeli soldiers FIRST and the bombarded population second. (Read Xeni’s 3rd paragraph) and my post #2. That was my only beef. And I need to shout it out because so much of American media fails to humanise the victims because they are the Other: the bearded and the veiled.
It is a nuanced difference and I know I am being picky. And you guys, and Xeni, you are all coming from a good place and I agree with you: all deserve to be humanised.

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