Thomas Fuchs and Felix Sockwell's 'Deconstructing Dumbo'

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  1. Tom Hale says:

    FFBSU -absolutely not – the professions I listed all deal directly with people – without clients or readers, those jobs would not work.

    Scientists, engineers, architects, and a hundred other jobs I don’t feel like thinking of atm are highly educated, yet you don’t automatically associate them with liberal democrats.

    Maybe I’m generalizing people, but I was just saying certain professions draw or help make liberals. You said, “Clearly, BoingBoing has chosen which side they wish to get behind.” I was just saying that its natural for a group of paid professional bloggers to be liberal.

  2. Anonymous says:

    I think the Deconstructing Dumbo was fun and funny. I’d like to see the Jackass Jerked Around too.

  3. Kieran O'Neill says:

    Tom Hale, I’m sorry if you took it that I implied you were doing that deliberately – I was only commenting on your words, knowing nothing about yourself. Anyway, if you read the article you know at least a few things about debate techniques now :)

    (And you’ve been keeping a cool head, which is probably the most important thing in keeping any discussion productive.)

    FFBSU, he said “not many” not “none”. To be fair, though, I would take it all with a pinch of salt until someone can show hard evidence (i.e. a well-structured, statistically rigorous survey).

    Here’s one for med students.

  4. Tom Hale says:

    Ugh! – My last comment was half assed written. Hopefully Antinous, Takuan, minT, Foetusnail, Arkizzle and a few others whose opinion I care about will be able to interpret what I meant.

    Honestly, it takes me quite a bit longer to write anything that makes sense that it takes you guys. I think I’m getting a little better though.

  5. FFBSU says:

    I don’t know if your comment on bloggers holds water or not…however, I do like BB.net despite the transparent “leanings”. I do wish there to be a bit less political speak on here or at least a bit more objectivity, however. I’m currently on my second username, because I was apparently banned from posting prior (not because of profanity or any such thing, but for disagreeing)

    Wouldn’t be overly surprised to see this post end up in the bin.

  6. Tom Hale says:

    @ FFBSU – About bOING bOING choosing sides – I read the other day that only 9% of reporters are conservative. I’d bet that there’s a similar percentage for lawyers, journalists, college professors, doctors, artists, teachers, and – care to add any others? I see some things in common with these professions – definitely the BBers. It only makes sense to have more articles like this one than some taking an opposite side. And I’m OK with that – what kind of collection of wonderful things would a bunch of staunchly republican editors make? Not one I’d like to read.

  7. Tom Hale says:

    Why do Democrats hate Republicans so much? I mean I can’t stand Nancy Pelosi and Michael Moore, but I’ve never had the type of animosity for them that Liberals seem to have for pretty much every Republican. I can see myself hating only the worst people – like serial killers, child molesters, or evil dictators like Saddam Hussein. Lenin, Stalin, and their ilk.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      Why do Democrats hate Republicans so much?

      You mean like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh? Oh wait, they’re Republicans who hate Democrats. Never mind.

  8. Guesstimate Jones says:

    Is that a Jolly Roger, inside the elephant, on the dot-test one? I have the kind of color blindness that plays tricks with those kinds of patterns…I can’t tell for sure…

  9. Takuan says:

    sides? there are no sides in good and evil.

  10. jrg says:

    “Americans will no longer tolerate the Republicans’ continued abuses of power and catering to corporate special interests.”

    That’s hateful? Seriously? Try these on for size:

    “I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days (to talk to liberals).” – Ann Coulter

    “(Obama) is someone who sees America it seems as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.” – Sarah Palin

    “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say “you helped this happen.”” – Jerry Falwell, blaming gays for 9/11.

    There are literally hundreds of examples of hate speech from Republicans (elected officials, members of the “religious right”, and “entertainers”). The Media Matters and Orcinus archives are a good place to start, if you’re interested.

    Dems are not perfect, but the entire GOP strategy and philosophy is one of division and hate. The only reason Republicans are pretending that insults, strawmen, and manufactured cultural division are bipartisan problems is because that kind of nonsense is no longer enough to win elections outside of rural, less educated areas.

    Voters are looking for competence, which GOP leaders do not have. The past 8 years have proven that.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Tom Hale – it can be very uncomfortable while your opinions are in flux. We have to trust, (and I do), that the people here have enough understanding and intelligence to see you as a fellow groper for teh trooth.

  12. Tom Hale says:

    Yeah, its a skull and crossbones. I can’t see a flag behind – so it probably means death or poison.

  13. Takuan says:

    because people who call themselves republicans keep wishing death and destruction on people they call democrats?

  14. Tom Hale says:

    Takuan, That’s news to me – maybe you’re exaggerating?

  15. Kieran O'Neill says:

    Tom Hale, the point is the cleverness of the iconography.

    There are a huge spectrum of political messages in these, some fairly coarse (the blowing-up-the-world-one, skull-and-crossbones and wolf-in-sheeps-clothing), while others fairly accurately reflect both the policies of the neocon-led GOP (pro-war, pro-torture, anti-environmentalist, pro-fundamentalist Christian, pro-Hollywood, pro-big business) and its current state of disarray as a result.

    These don’t represent hate, nor are they targeted at Republicans. They represent clever graphic design, and witty political criticism of the Republican Party. It would be completely fair play to do this in reverse.

    And incidentally, a statement like “Why do Democrats hate Republicans so much?” is a perfect example of poisoning the well.

  16. Tom Hale says:

    jrg – Do you really believe the extreme Republican TV and radio personalities represent what Joe Normal republican wants? You have more sense that that.

  17. druranium says:

    #1, next time just write FIRST!!1!1!!
    I like this guys art. Thanks for the wonderfulness

  18. Rezpect says:

    Tom Hale: honestly,I think it goes more the other way around.

  19. Tom Hale says:

    KIERAN O’NEILL – poisoning the well? I read the link. Surely no one here thinks I know a single thing about debate techniques.

    I admit the icons are pretty clever.

  20. grimc says:

    @tom hale

    Republican media star Bill O’Reilly on his nationally syndicated radio show:

    “And if Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we’re not going to do anything about it. We’re going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead.”

  21. Brainspore says:

    I have one more theory why this kind of clever artwork tends to have a liberal slant- how many Republican artists do you know? As a Graphic Design major (BFA & MFA) I can attest that I didn’t meet many.

  22. Deeder says:

    You mean like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh? Oh wait, they’re Republicans who hate Democrats. Never mind.

    You mean like Al Franken and Nancy Pelosi? Oh wait, they’re Democrats who hate Republicans. Never mind…Fixed.

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      You mean like Al Franken and Nancy Pelosi?

      If you wouldn’t mind just providing a quote from Nancy Pelosi to justify that statement?

  23. Tom Hale says:

    Limbaugh and Coulter are just out to make a buck – though I agree that their BS probably creates hatred. I can’t stand to listen to Coulter talk, she sounds like a moron when she’s debating someone. She is a cutie pie though. I’m off to go find some naughty pics of her online. brb

  24. zuzu says:

    She is a cutie pie though. I’m off to go find some naughty pics of her online. brb

    Her skinny legs give me the jibblies, and I’m not one to complain about women looking “too thin”.

    Also, she seems like the type who’s into that whole “no means yes” mindfuck.

  25. Stefan Jones says:

    There’s a big difference between hate and exasperated contempt.

    Why the exasperated contempt?

    Here’s a start

  26. Deeder says:

    “Americans will no longer tolerate the Republicans’ continued abuses of power and catering to corporate special interests.” N. Pelosi

    The difference between these characters is Pelosi is an elected official, the others are all out to make a buck.

    Would you like me to provide a few more colorful quotes from Franken?

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      “Americans will no longer tolerate the Republicans’ continued abuses of power and catering to corporate special interests.” N. Pelosi

      Yeah, that’s pretty gosh-darned hateful. Nearly took the skin off my eyeballs just reading it.

  27. TheWillow says:

    Can’t we just all agree that they’re all schmucks who just want attention?

  28. Mindpowered says:

    Fridge Magnets? T- Shirts? Decals?

    This could be the western response to Hello Kitty.

  29. Takuan says:

    but Stefan, why the short list? Mention it all.

  30. Anonymous says:

    Tom Hale, Because my spouse and I are of different political affiliation, and we both are on many mailing lists, I get all the propaganda from both sides delivered to my house. I have compared it extensively.

    At the national level, Republicans are both more likely to run smear campaigns and use hate speech (including indirect incitements to violence along the lines of “these liberals would get the tar kicked out of them in any VFW hall”) and more likely to claim that their opponents are using hate speech against them. Democrats are definitely much less hateful and more issues driven, at least in their official propaganda.

    At the local level, in my own community, the individual candidates are all over the place. The nastiest recent race was two Democrats against each other, and the cleanest local race was run by a Republican seeking a county office. There was also a smear campaign run by a Republican against an Independent. I don’t see that there’s been any party-level pattern, although generally you can say races in the southern part of the state are dirtier than in the north.

    Incidentally, I’m a registered Republican. I would have voted for McCain if he hadn’t picked Palin.

  31. Teller says:

    The interesting thing about a blog or a magazine is that it reveals the tastes, interests, fetishes and biases of its editors. They make no promise of objectivity; no pretense of fair play. And God love them for it.

  32. Anonymous says:

    Politics aside, these are amazing treatments of a form. Excellent work.

    A funny side note: The captcha I had to type to post this was “unite elections.”

  33. Anonymous says:

    this is a work of genius. thx for posting.

  34. Takuan says:

    I want the propaganda captcha concession! Of the billions of captchas typed out every day there must be a cumulative subliminal effect. I see “molluscmasters”, “takekidstobeach”…

  35. Steve Stair says:

    I’m neither a Republican nor a Democrat (though I have to play one in the voting booth), but I think “conservative” rhetoric is more hateful than that of “liberals”. There are demagogues on both sides of course, but it has been my experience that Republicans are more likely to make ad hominem attacks than Democrats.

    Of course now that I’ve written that, I’m remembering all of the “stupid” jokes about Bush. Maybe I’m more sympathetic to “liberal” bias than I thought.

  36. Deeder says:

    W gt t, y dn’t lk Rpblcns. Cn w mv n nw r s th sr wnnr syndrm gng t lst ntl Th n s gn?

  37. Anonymous says:

    I spotted this on my way into work in London this morning, I thought the logo looked familiar: http://www.anyjunk.co.uk

  38. Brainspore says:

    Know who are silly? People who visit blogs about topics they aren’t interested in and complain in the forums.

  39. agoodsandwich says:

    ironically, there is more ugliness in that first comment than in the post itself.

    But it does suggest a need for an equally clever take on the donkey. Who will fill this need?

  40. FFBSU says:

    So is your implication that educated people are not conservative? The fact of the matter is a) I am conservative b) I am educated c) I, myself am a graphic designer.

    I supposed applying labels is what this post is really about and the comments have proven it.

  41. Deeder says:

    I read this blog everyday. I wasn’t trolling, and nothing inappropriate was said in my initial comment. I just wish we could move beyond the pettiness and take a look at some things that aren’t politics. Or possibly when we look at things that aren’t politics not interject politics into them. There are plenty of forums out there to fill this niche.

  42. FFBSU says:

    It is clever logo manipulation…but yeah, the mongers are on both sides, on that there is no debate. The left has Michael Moore, Franken, Maher, Sean Penn, Tim Robbins etc…the right has Limbaugh, Colter, Hannity to an extent.

    Clearly, BoingBoing has chosen which side they wish to get behind. I suppose we’ll have to deal with it.

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