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	<title>Comments on: Making a toaster from scratch, mining the raw&#160;materials</title>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-407301</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but if you lose the ability to re-make your tech from the flint tool to LSIC&#039;s, how would you get rid of Curious Yellow?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but if you lose the ability to re-make your tech from the flint tool to LSIC&#8217;s, how would you get rid of Curious Yellow?</p>
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		<title>By: robulus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406792</link>
		<dc:creator>robulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The installation re-creates the first attempt by the designer to melt mineral and turn it into iron using hair dryers. He later tried with a leaf blower and then used his mother&#039;s microwave and china to finally obtain iron.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I know a certain conceptual artist who&#039;s going to be in &lt;i&gt;big trouble&lt;/i&gt; when his mum gets home!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The installation re-creates the first attempt by the designer to melt mineral and turn it into iron using hair dryers. He later tried with a leaf blower and then used his mother&#8217;s microwave and china to finally obtain iron.</p></blockquote>
<p>I know a certain conceptual artist who&#8217;s going to be in <i>big trouble</i> when his mum gets home!</p>
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		<title>By: dbarak</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406793</link>
		<dc:creator>dbarak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But will it make toast?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But will it make toast?</p>
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		<title>By: strumpet windsock</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-407321</link>
		<dc:creator>strumpet windsock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a relevant story:

Tom Sukanen, a Finnish immigrant to Canada, decided during the depression he wanted to return home. 

Instead of buying a ticket home he decided to build his own ocean vessel, even though he was in southern Saksatchewan. The nearest water with a draught deep enough to accomodate his ship was thousands of kilometers away.

Strangely enough, he rowed to Hudson Bay, got a job on a ship to Finland, went home and then came back to Saskatchewan to start work on his project.

He worked on the ship for six years, but was eventually committed and died in an asylum. Even so people are astounded by the precision in the ship&#039;s hull which he beat by hand from plate steel, and painted with horse blood.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41675329@N00/934597760/
http://sisuthemovie.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-was-tom-sukanen.html
http://www.nordicway.com/search/Places/Places_South%20of%20Moose%20Jaw.htm
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a relevant story:</p>
<p>Tom Sukanen, a Finnish immigrant to Canada, decided during the depression he wanted to return home. </p>
<p>Instead of buying a ticket home he decided to build his own ocean vessel, even though he was in southern Saksatchewan. The nearest water with a draught deep enough to accomodate his ship was thousands of kilometers away.</p>
<p>Strangely enough, he rowed to Hudson Bay, got a job on a ship to Finland, went home and then came back to Saskatchewan to start work on his project.</p>
<p>He worked on the ship for six years, but was eventually committed and died in an asylum. Even so people are astounded by the precision in the ship&#8217;s hull which he beat by hand from plate steel, and painted with horse blood.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/41675329@N00/934597760/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/41675329@N00/934597760/</a><br />
<a href="http://sisuthemovie.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-was-tom-sukanen.html" rel="nofollow">http://sisuthemovie.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-was-tom-sukanen.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.nordicway.com/search/Places/Places_South%20of%20Moose%20Jaw.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nordicway.com/search/Places/Places_South%20of%20Moose%20Jaw.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: nosehat</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-407067</link>
		<dc:creator>nosehat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#9:

I&#039;ve made a solar oven, and made much food in it, but I don&#039;t think it would work for toast.

To me this seems like a delightful undertaking, &lt;i&gt;even if he can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; articulate exactly what he hopes to show before he&#039;s done it, and even if it is impossible.  Seems like the discovery would be in the journey.  Best of luck to him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#9:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made a solar oven, and made much food in it, but I don&#8217;t think it would work for toast.</p>
<p>To me this seems like a delightful undertaking, <i>even if he can&#8217;t</i> articulate exactly what he hopes to show before he&#8217;s done it, and even if it is impossible.  Seems like the discovery would be in the journey.  Best of luck to him!</p>
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		<title>By: Cicada</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406812</link>
		<dc:creator>Cicada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#14- Let&#039;s see...if you&#039;re not too picky about what constitutes a hammer, I&#039;m going to go with about thirty seconds after they find the first good-sized rocks for that one. &lt;br&gt;As for the computer...it&#039;s probably going to be more than one lifetime before they need more than an abacus. Best to sketch out the principles so their descendents have a head start and leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#14- Let&#8217;s see&#8230;if you&#8217;re not too picky about what constitutes a hammer, I&#8217;m going to go with about thirty seconds after they find the first good-sized rocks for that one. <br />As for the computer&#8230;it&#8217;s probably going to be more than one lifetime before they need more than an abacus. Best to sketch out the principles so their descendents have a head start and leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: StrawberryFrog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-407068</link>
		<dc:creator>StrawberryFrog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a simpler way to make a toaster:
Get some sticks and wood
Build a fire with most of this
use a remaining stick to spear the bread and hold it in the heat
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a simpler way to make a toaster:<br />
Get some sticks and wood<br />
Build a fire with most of this<br />
use a remaining stick to spear the bread and hold it in the heat</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406821</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s really irresponsible from an
environmental perspective because it&#039;s one man
making one toaster.

What&#039;s much worse is that so many toasters and other
appliances will be thrown in the garbage instead
of repaired.

It&#039;s a really interesting project. I think I&#039;d skip
the plastic making, though, since plastic is more suited to mass production. I&#039;m sure a reasonable substitute for it could be found.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s really irresponsible from an<br />
environmental perspective because it&#8217;s one man<br />
making one toaster.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s much worse is that so many toasters and other<br />
appliances will be thrown in the garbage instead<br />
of repaired.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a really interesting project. I think I&#8217;d skip<br />
the plastic making, though, since plastic is more suited to mass production. I&#8217;m sure a reasonable substitute for it could be found.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-407079</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smelting the copper?  $$$$
Mining the ore? $$$$
A helicopter trip to a oil platform? $$$$$$$$$$$$$

And you wonder how the US government could spend $400 on a coffee pot?  Maybe they made it from scratch...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smelting the copper?  $$$$<br />
Mining the ore? $$$$<br />
A helicopter trip to a oil platform? $$$$$$$$$$$$$</p>
<p>And you wonder how the US government could spend $400 on a coffee pot?  Maybe they made it from scratch&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Cicada</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406828</link>
		<dc:creator>Cicada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@24- Wood, perhaps? Maybe a nice porcelain...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24- Wood, perhaps? Maybe a nice porcelain&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: GregLondon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-407096</link>
		<dc:creator>GregLondon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s going about it all wrong. all he needs to do is built a fabber from scratch, and then fab the parts from his fabber. A toaster just gives you toast. A fabber gives you everything.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s going about it all wrong. all he needs to do is built a fabber from scratch, and then fab the parts from his fabber. A toaster just gives you toast. A fabber gives you everything.</p>
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		<title>By: kebko</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406899</link>
		<dc:creator>kebko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5, it&#039;s interesting that you mention the pencil, because &quot;I, pencil&quot; is a fairly famous essay on economics about exactly that, with the point being how powerful decentralized commerce is &amp; how interconnected we are.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5, it&#8217;s interesting that you mention the pencil, because &#8220;I, pencil&#8221; is a fairly famous essay on economics about exactly that, with the point being how powerful decentralized commerce is &#038; how interconnected we are.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: savant</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406650</link>
		<dc:creator>savant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Experiments of this type are fun, but this one (like most) are fairly arbitrary. Microwave oven smelting? Helicopter rides to mines on the continent? Offshore oil rigs? 

If the purpose is to show the disconnect between the individual an the technology being used, then I suggest the individual make a greater effort to disconnect himself from all the other ancillary (and far more technological) innovations that he is surrounded by.

Suggestions: barter for nickel ore on the island, smelt in a ceramic crucible using coal and forced air, isolate oil from a plant such as soybeans in your plastics attempts. Better yet, use wood or metal, both far more reasonable materials for an experiment of this sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Experiments of this type are fun, but this one (like most) are fairly arbitrary. Microwave oven smelting? Helicopter rides to mines on the continent? Offshore oil rigs? </p>
<p>If the purpose is to show the disconnect between the individual an the technology being used, then I suggest the individual make a greater effort to disconnect himself from all the other ancillary (and far more technological) innovations that he is surrounded by.</p>
<p>Suggestions: barter for nickel ore on the island, smelt in a ceramic crucible using coal and forced air, isolate oil from a plant such as soybeans in your plastics attempts. Better yet, use wood or metal, both far more reasonable materials for an experiment of this sort.</p>
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		<title>By: NeilFraser</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406667</link>
		<dc:creator>NeilFraser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no link.  The closest I can find is this:
http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2009/02/-thomas-thwaites-the-toaster.php
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no link.  The closest I can find is this:<br />
<a href="http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2009/02/-thomas-thwaites-the-toaster.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2009/02/-thomas-thwaites-the-toaster.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: jimh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406670</link>
		<dc:creator>jimh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the total cost of the toaster in time, real currency, and carbon offset? While interesting, it seems irresponsible. How about the bent coat hanger over an electric coil, a la Elwood Blues?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the total cost of the toaster in time, real currency, and carbon offset? While interesting, it seems irresponsible. How about the bent coat hanger over an electric coil, a la Elwood Blues?</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin Driver</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406674</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microwave oven smelting. I like that. A lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microwave oven smelting. I like that. A lot.</p>
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		<title>By: tikaro</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406684</link>
		<dc:creator>tikaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is WONDERFUL.  Arbitrary? Irrelevant.  I used to wonder what would happen if you wanted to make a pencil from scratch.  How would you mine the, er... black stuff (leading to the question, what _is_ the black stuff?  Not lead, surely, even though it&#039;s called &quot;lead&quot; pencil, sometimes.)  How would you mine the graphite?  What if you had to make the machines for mining graphite?  

Would the project eventually involve EVERYONE IN THE WORLD, including the person who wrote the insurance contract to enable the lubricant manufacturer to grease the axles of the truck that delivered the spare parts to run the mining machine?

Wow, this makes me want to pick something totally arbitrary and attempt to make it from scratch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is WONDERFUL.  Arbitrary? Irrelevant.  I used to wonder what would happen if you wanted to make a pencil from scratch.  How would you mine the, er&#8230; black stuff (leading to the question, what _is_ the black stuff?  Not lead, surely, even though it&#8217;s called &#8220;lead&#8221; pencil, sometimes.)  How would you mine the graphite?  What if you had to make the machines for mining graphite?  </p>
<p>Would the project eventually involve EVERYONE IN THE WORLD, including the person who wrote the insurance contract to enable the lubricant manufacturer to grease the axles of the truck that delivered the spare parts to run the mining machine?</p>
<p>Wow, this makes me want to pick something totally arbitrary and attempt to make it from scratch.</p>
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		<title>By: Sceadugenga</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406942</link>
		<dc:creator>Sceadugenga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He needs to make plastic because the toaster Argos sells, which he is trying to &lt;i&gt;replicate&lt;/i&gt;, contains plastic. That condition unfortunately rules out his making a steampunk toaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He needs to make plastic because the toaster Argos sells, which he is trying to <i>replicate</i>, contains plastic. That condition unfortunately rules out his making a steampunk toaster.</p>
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		<title>By: EeyoreX</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406691</link>
		<dc:creator>EeyoreX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He must, of course, find some way to generate his own electricity to power the thing once he&#039;s built it. And only use home-baked bread...
But I utterly fail to see how this supposedly &lt;i&gt;&quot;illustrates our disconnect to our consumer products&quot;&lt;/i&gt;. Quite on the contrary, it shows how intrensly &lt;i&gt;connected&lt;/i&gt; and dependant on each other we are in a myriad of ways, from the oil rig driller to the local toaster salesman.
Do not misinterpet this experiment. If the object of this exercise was for a man to reach the end result of toast, then he could just grill it over an open fire.
And, of course, the net carbon footprint per toaster is much smaller when you mass-produce than when you build the same stuff individually. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He must, of course, find some way to generate his own electricity to power the thing once he&#8217;s built it. And only use home-baked bread&#8230;<br />
But I utterly fail to see how this supposedly <i>&#8220;illustrates our disconnect to our consumer products&#8221;</i>. Quite on the contrary, it shows how intrensly <i>connected</i> and dependant on each other we are in a myriad of ways, from the oil rig driller to the local toaster salesman.<br />
Do not misinterpet this experiment. If the object of this exercise was for a man to reach the end result of toast, then he could just grill it over an open fire.<br />
And, of course, the net carbon footprint per toaster is much smaller when you mass-produce than when you build the same stuff individually. </p>
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		<title>By: strumpet windsock</title>
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		<dc:creator>strumpet windsock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though a lot has happened in the past 50 years we&#039;re not that far away from the days when people did a lot more themselves. A lot of people still do.

I was on a sled ride (strangely enough, drawn by a horse) this weekend and heard my father in law  and another fellow talking about the old days, and how any spare parts they needed for tools, carriages and later cars had to be hand-forged. There was no parts store back then. 

My mother grew up in a sod hut my grandparents built in Manitoba during the second world war. You might imagine a dank cave, but it looked just like a modern mobile home.

I know turning our inter-connected world back to a bygone era would be near-impossible, but it&#039;s ridiculous to think we are slaves to our technology and cannot make choices to do things more simply.

My point is we-re not talking about caveman days; Even in developed countries there are people who have these low tech skills. If we&#039;re concerned it&#039;s up to us to turn off the computer and go learn some of them, or at least stop complaining about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though a lot has happened in the past 50 years we&#8217;re not that far away from the days when people did a lot more themselves. A lot of people still do.</p>
<p>I was on a sled ride (strangely enough, drawn by a horse) this weekend and heard my father in law  and another fellow talking about the old days, and how any spare parts they needed for tools, carriages and later cars had to be hand-forged. There was no parts store back then. </p>
<p>My mother grew up in a sod hut my grandparents built in Manitoba during the second world war. You might imagine a dank cave, but it looked just like a modern mobile home.</p>
<p>I know turning our inter-connected world back to a bygone era would be near-impossible, but it&#8217;s ridiculous to think we are slaves to our technology and cannot make choices to do things more simply.</p>
<p>My point is we-re not talking about caveman days; Even in developed countries there are people who have these low tech skills. If we&#8217;re concerned it&#8217;s up to us to turn off the computer and go learn some of them, or at least stop complaining about it.</p>
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		<title>By: eustace</title>
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		<dc:creator>eustace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It makes me want to go right out and make my own porn, just as our ancestors did long ago.  Hand-crafted, authentic, &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.prisonofficer.org/jokes-humor/2653-agricultural-porn-city-folk.html&quot;&gt;folk porn&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It makes me want to go right out and make my own porn, just as our ancestors did long ago.  Hand-crafted, authentic, <a href="http://forums.prisonofficer.org/jokes-humor/2653-agricultural-porn-city-folk.html">folk porn</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: strumpet windsock</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406961</link>
		<dc:creator>strumpet windsock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I re-read my post. 
Sorry if it came out kind of bitchy. I wasn&#039;t directing it at the experiment, nor at any of the posters, just at the silly fatalism we seem to have sometimes about our society.
I actually think the project is an interesting, if impossible, exercise. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I re-read my post.<br />
Sorry if it came out kind of bitchy. I wasn&#8217;t directing it at the experiment, nor at any of the posters, just at the silly fatalism we seem to have sometimes about our society.<br />
I actually think the project is an interesting, if impossible, exercise. </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Spurgeon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406706</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Spurgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with number 5, this is a wonderful task to undertake...absolutely in keeping with the best British eccentric tinkerer tradition. Wallace and Gromit would be proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with number 5, this is a wonderful task to undertake&#8230;absolutely in keeping with the best British eccentric tinkerer tradition. Wallace and Gromit would be proud.</p>
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		<title>By: merreborn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406714</link>
		<dc:creator>merreborn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#6:
&quot;But I utterly fail to see how this supposedly &quot;illustrates our disconnect to our consumer products&quot;&quot;

When man first used tools, he made them largely by himself.  A good branch and some sinew, and you have a bow.  The parts were all found within a few miles of home.  That&#039;s the &quot;connection&quot; the author is referring to.

Now, we buy tools made by robots (which were themselves built by other robots) using materials from every corner of the globe.  A man&#039;s personal involvement in the creation of the tools he uses is now nonexistent.

You&#039;re absolutely right that the modern method of production requires an intensely connected network of businesses -- you&#039;re just looking at a different aspect of &quot;connectedness&quot; than the author.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#6:<br />
&#8220;But I utterly fail to see how this supposedly &#8220;illustrates our disconnect to our consumer products&#8221;"</p>
<p>When man first used tools, he made them largely by himself.  A good branch and some sinew, and you have a bow.  The parts were all found within a few miles of home.  That&#8217;s the &#8220;connection&#8221; the author is referring to.</p>
<p>Now, we buy tools made by robots (which were themselves built by other robots) using materials from every corner of the globe.  A man&#8217;s personal involvement in the creation of the tools he uses is now nonexistent.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right that the modern method of production requires an intensely connected network of businesses &#8212; you&#8217;re just looking at a different aspect of &#8220;connectedness&#8221; than the author.</p>
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		<title>By: nanuq</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406716</link>
		<dc:creator>nanuq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He couldn&#039;t just make a solar oven?

http://solarcooking.org/plans/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He couldn&#8217;t just make a solar oven?</p>
<p><a href="http://solarcooking.org/plans/" rel="nofollow">http://solarcooking.org/plans/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wastrel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406720</link>
		<dc:creator>wastrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to an old graphite mine in New Hampshire where you could easily pick up enough of the stuff to make a pencil or ten out of.  Or you could make some charcoal pretty easily and use that instead.

Of course equivalent goods in ancient cultures weren&#039;t made from scratch by single individuals any more than they are today.  Division of labor has been around for all of recorded history and trade even earlier than that.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to an old graphite mine in New Hampshire where you could easily pick up enough of the stuff to make a pencil or ten out of.  Or you could make some charcoal pretty easily and use that instead.</p>
<p>Of course equivalent goods in ancient cultures weren&#8217;t made from scratch by single individuals any more than they are today.  Division of labor has been around for all of recorded history and trade even earlier than that.  </p>
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		<title>By: ARCANE12</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-408001</link>
		<dc:creator>ARCANE12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too much time, money, and brains...not enough common sense</description>
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		<title>By: Moriarty</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406727</link>
		<dc:creator>Moriarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A cool project, and it definitely does illustrate something. But I agree with #6 about what it&#039;s actually illustrating. Probably hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world have unconsciously collaborated to offer you a toaster for *several orders of magnitude* less expense and effort than it would take you to make &quot;from scratch&quot; yourself, and, as #1 points out, this guy is even cheating! Big time!

This will probably be an unpopular thing to say around here, but I think what it really illustrates is the awesome power to improve lives of the free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A cool project, and it definitely does illustrate something. But I agree with #6 about what it&#8217;s actually illustrating. Probably hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world have unconsciously collaborated to offer you a toaster for *several orders of magnitude* less expense and effort than it would take you to make &#8220;from scratch&#8221; yourself, and, as #1 points out, this guy is even cheating! Big time!</p>
<p>This will probably be an unpopular thing to say around here, but I think what it really illustrates is the awesome power to improve lives of the free market.</p>
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		<title>By: GregLondon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-407241</link>
		<dc:creator>GregLondon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Thomas Thwaites is trying to make an electric toaster, from scratch.&lt;/i&gt;

Wait, he&#039;s using a &lt;i&gt;microwave&lt;/i&gt;??? Is that what they call &quot;scratch&quot; these days?

I&#039;m starting to think he needs to build all the tools that he will use to build the toast. And if he&#039;s taking a helicopter to an oilrig, well, he ought to build his own helicopter, learn how to fly it, and drill his own oil well.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Thomas Thwaites is trying to make an electric toaster, from scratch.</i></p>
<p>Wait, he&#8217;s using a <i>microwave</i>??? Is that what they call &#8220;scratch&#8221; these days?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m starting to think he needs to build all the tools that he will use to build the toast. And if he&#8217;s taking a helicopter to an oilrig, well, he ought to build his own helicopter, learn how to fly it, and drill his own oil well.</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/02/10/making-a-toaster-fro.html#comment-406741</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nanuq.. coz that isn&#039;t the point.</description>
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