Comments on: Sita Sings the Blues to air in full on PBS http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Tue, 18 Jun 2013 07:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Rob Myers http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420361 Rob Myers Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420361 Nina popped up on a free culture mailing list I was on to demand at length and with increasing opprobrium that its members write her an audio-synching application to solve (sic) this film's copyright problem if they were serious about freedom. Her work is charming, though. Nina popped up on a free culture mailing list I was on to demand at length and with increasing opprobrium that its members write her an audio-synching application to solve (sic) this film’s copyright problem if they were serious about freedom.

Her work is charming, though.

]]> By: workergnome http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420620 workergnome Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420620 I have no special knowledge about what's going on with this film, but I know from my days working at PBS that PBS had a blanket ASCAP/BMI license. This means that they've paid a single fee and have performance rights to any song covered by those two organizations. http://www.ascap.com/licensing/tvcablesatellite/tvfaq.html I have no special knowledge about what’s going on with this film, but I know from my days working at PBS that PBS had a blanket ASCAP/BMI license. This means that they’ve paid a single fee and have performance rights to any song covered by those two organizations.

http://www.ascap.com/licensing/tvcablesatellite/tvfaq.html

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-424988 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-424988 #9 - I respectfully disagree that there is no way to determine whether or not a copyright has expired. It takes a tiny bit of online research and a few phone calls or emails. Anyone who clears music for use in television or film as a profession knows this is the case. This argument was remarkably well argued from both sides (in an unusually civilized and intelligent fashion for a website's comments section) at http://www.questioncopyright.org/nina_paley_sita_interview . #9 – I respectfully disagree that there is no way to determine whether or not a copyright has expired. It takes a tiny bit of online research and a few phone calls or emails. Anyone who clears music for use in television or film as a profession knows this is the case.
This argument was remarkably well argued from both sides (in an unusually civilized and intelligent fashion for a website’s comments section) at http://www.questioncopyright.org/nina_paley_sita_interview .

]]> By: Shanghai Slim http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420657 Shanghai Slim Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420657 @#5 "I have a hard time with that sentiment because it insists that artists have to be business people before they can be artists." I'm sorry, but that's a false dilemma. No one is insisting that artists have to be business people before they can be artists. What they are insisting is that <i>artists who wish to engage in business</i> need to abide by the basic rules of business. "That's all" (to borrow Annette Hanshaw's famous tagline - hope it's not copyrighted!). As an IP creator (and a major fan of Annette Hanshaw) I deeply sympathize with Nina Paley's difficulties. Yet, it almost beggars belief that a filmmaker hoping to distribute her work commercially would base it to such an irretrievable extent on music for which she was unable to ascertain clear rights information. One need not "become a businessperson" to see the potential for problems with that. Very best of luck to Nina Paley! @#5
“I have a hard time with that sentiment because it insists that artists have to be business people before they can be artists.”

I’m sorry, but that’s a false dilemma. No one is insisting that artists have to be business people before they can be artists. What they are insisting is that artists who wish to engage in business need to abide by the basic rules of business. “That’s all” (to borrow Annette Hanshaw’s famous tagline – hope it’s not copyrighted!).

As an IP creator (and a major fan of Annette Hanshaw) I deeply sympathize with Nina Paley’s difficulties. Yet, it almost beggars belief that a filmmaker hoping to distribute her work commercially would base it to such an irretrievable extent on music for which she was unable to ascertain clear rights information.

One need not “become a businessperson” to see the potential for problems with that.

Very best of luck to Nina Paley!

]]> By: MattMcKeon http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420408 MattMcKeon Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420408 Hmm, it's not on the schedule of my local PBS affiliate in Boston though. Sadly, no station is mentioned in the news post other than WNET in New York. Too bad! Hmm, it’s not on the schedule of my local PBS affiliate in Boston though. Sadly, no station is mentioned in the news post other than WNET in New York.

Too bad!

]]> By: davechua http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420411 davechua Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420411 A wonderful film that should have been on the Oscar nominees list at the very least. A wonderful film that should have been on the Oscar nominees list at the very least.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420432 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420432 #2, you assume there's some universal way to determine copyright on a piece of work. There isn't. Often you might be left with a copyright that still exists, but no one left to claim it. Until, that is, they hold your movie hostage. I still think it's depressing that the works of people long dead and gone are still held back from the public so that many who had no hand in their creation can profit off them in exchange for nothing. My American blood doesn't like the idea of inherited privileges - whether it be wealth that creates multi-generational aristocracies, or inherited titles - not "Duke of Bogoshire", but "Peter Pan". #2, you assume there’s some universal way to determine copyright on a piece of work. There isn’t. Often you might be left with a copyright that still exists, but no one left to claim it. Until, that is, they hold your movie hostage.

I still think it’s depressing that the works of people long dead and gone are still held back from the public so that many who had no hand in their creation can profit off them in exchange for nothing.

My American blood doesn’t like the idea of inherited privileges – whether it be wealth that creates multi-generational aristocracies, or inherited titles – not “Duke of Bogoshire”, but “Peter Pan”.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420446 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420446 As happy as I am to see this getting broadcast, I'm heavily disappointed it's only being aired in New York. I really want to see this! Heck, I read the Ramayana after finding out about this movie so I could know the story better (My final verdict was that it was very strange and colorful, and a lot of fun to read). I really hope Paley is able to get past the copyright issues and release this, because this is just too gorgeous to keep from the public. As happy as I am to see this getting broadcast, I’m heavily disappointed it’s only being aired in New York. I really want to see this! Heck, I read the Ramayana after finding out about this movie so I could know the story better (My final verdict was that it was very strange and colorful, and a lot of fun to read). I really hope Paley is able to get past the copyright issues and release this, because this is just too gorgeous to keep from the public.

]]> By: gpeare http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420717 gpeare Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420717 New York only, or PBS Nationally? New York only, or PBS Nationally?

]]> By: Blue http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420743 Blue Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420743 Better to seek forgiveness than beg for permission. >:) Better to seek forgiveness than beg for permission. >:)

]]> By: Antinous / Moderator http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-421290 Antinous / Moderator Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-421290 Shanghai Slim, What you're really saying is that business considerations are more important than artistic considerations. I repudiate that notion with the full force of conviction. Just because the business-savvy can buy political influence because they're wealthy doesn't mean that they're right, just that they're rich, greedy and corrupt. Shanghai Slim,

What you’re really saying is that business considerations are more important than artistic considerations. I repudiate that notion with the full force of conviction. Just because the business-savvy can buy political influence because they’re wealthy doesn’t mean that they’re right, just that they’re rich, greedy and corrupt.

]]> By: Professor Booty http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420523 Professor Booty Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420523 If I remember correctly, when the news about her being able to release her movie to the public first hit BoingBoing, she had acknowledged that she knew she didn't have the rights to the music, and made the film anyways. If I remember correctly, when the news about her being able to release her movie to the public first hit BoingBoing, she had acknowledged that she knew she didn’t have the rights to the music, and made the film anyways.

]]> By: Aaron T. http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420289 Aaron T. Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420289 At 82 minutes, it's not exactly "short". At 82 minutes, it’s not exactly “short”.

]]> By: gretagretchen http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420293 gretagretchen Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420293 The validity of an 80 year old copyright not withstanding why would you make a film like this and not research the availability of the recordings you used? 80 years ago from 2009 is 1929. Pre-1923 is the year commonly referred to as "public domain" but that only covers compositions and not sound recordings. Considering all the work that went into the piece it is quite sad to me that neither she or some other production professional that she must have been involved with at some point wouldn't have though to explore that completely. The validity of an 80 year old copyright not withstanding why would you make a film like this and not research the availability of the recordings you used? 80 years ago from 2009 is 1929. Pre-1923 is the year commonly referred to as “public domain” but that only covers compositions and not sound recordings. Considering all the work that went into the piece it is quite sad to me that neither she or some other production professional that she must have been involved with at some point wouldn’t have though to explore that completely.

]]> By: Manooshi http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420295 Manooshi Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420295 Wow. This is visually stunning. Wow. This is visually stunning.

]]> By: rohini http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-421071 rohini Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-421071 for those of you not in NYC; PBS will be streaming it online starting Feb 26: http://www.thirteen.org/artsandculture/sita-sings-the-blues-on-reel-13-and-online for those of you not in NYC; PBS will be streaming it online starting Feb 26:

http://www.thirteen.org/artsandculture/sita-sings-the-blues-on-reel-13-and-online

]]> By: El Stinko http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420575 El Stinko Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420575 I don't think it was eligible for an Oscar since it hasn't actually been released yet? Sine this is airing on PBS are we to assume she was able to get the rights issue cleared up? I don’t think it was eligible for an Oscar since it hasn’t actually been released yet?

Sine this is airing on PBS are we to assume she was able to get the rights issue cleared up?

]]> By: Kieran O'Neill http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420322 Kieran O'Neill Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420322 Awesome. I'd been really keen to see it. I believe she's going to release it CC as well. Greta: There's already been a lot of discussion along those lines <a href="http://boingboing.net/2009/01/06/acclaimed-animated-m.html">both here at BB</a> and at the links on that page. Awesome. I’d been really keen to see it. I believe she’s going to release it CC as well.

Greta: There’s already been a lot of discussion along those lines both here at BB and at the links on that page.

]]> By: Kieran O'Neill http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-420323 Kieran O'Neill Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-420323 Actually, here's a good response from Antinous, to a post not far different to yours: "I have a hard time with that sentiment because it insists that artists have to be business people before they can be artists. Think about a world in which art is only created by people with business acumen. Pretty depressing, eh?" Actually, here’s a good response from Antinous, to a post not far different to yours:

“I have a hard time with that sentiment because it insists that artists have to be business people before they can be artists. Think about a world in which art is only created by people with business acumen. Pretty depressing, eh?”

]]> By: Bemopolis http://boingboing.net/2009/02/23/sita-sings-the-blues.html#comment-421094 Bemopolis Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-421094 @#14: It is *not* a false dilemma, if only because the current state of copyright is entirely the invention of "business people". Paley's problem is not the recordings themselves, which are already PD, it's the publishing rights of the songs she's singing. I defy anyone to have anticipated that particular gem without benefit of council. Of course that's the point, isn't it: to confuse the situation to the point that artists *have* to rely on "business people". I predict some rocking art to come out of that shotgun wedding. Culture should not be held in vaults guarded by a chosen few who require a palm crossed with silver before even disclosing its contents, much less the rules by which it may be enjoyed. At a minimum, the copyright laws should be simplistic enough that the average artist should be able to easily see the boundaries (remember 27+27? Life + 30? Now you have to be able to read Tengwar just have a fighting chance. But the Tolkein estate has probably copyrighted the font anyway.) Or to put it facetiously, had Sonny Bono skied into that tree five years earlier and not sponsored the most recent abominable copyright extension, Nina Paley would be in the clear. (Well, maybe if he'd skied into Michael Eisner with sufficient velocity.) @#14:

It is *not* a false dilemma, if only because the current state of copyright is entirely the invention of “business people”. Paley’s problem is not the recordings themselves, which are already PD, it’s the publishing rights of the songs she’s singing. I defy anyone to have anticipated that particular gem without benefit of council. Of course that’s the point, isn’t it: to confuse the situation to the point that artists *have* to rely on “business people”. I predict some rocking art to come out of that shotgun wedding.

Culture should not be held in vaults guarded by a chosen few who require a palm crossed with silver before even disclosing its contents, much less the rules by which it may be enjoyed. At a minimum, the copyright laws should be simplistic enough that the average artist should be able to easily see the boundaries (remember 27+27? Life + 30? Now you have to be able to read Tengwar just have a fighting chance. But the Tolkein estate has probably copyrighted the font anyway.)

Or to put it facetiously, had Sonny Bono skied into that tree five years earlier and not sponsored the most recent abominable copyright extension, Nina Paley would be in the clear. (Well, maybe if he’d skied into Michael Eisner with sufficient velocity.)

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