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		<title>By: Inkstain</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/12/newspapers-depressin.html#comment-437252</link>
		<dc:creator>Inkstain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not forget &quot;busted hed&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget &#8220;busted hed&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: invisibelle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/12/newspapers-depressin.html#comment-437534</link>
		<dc:creator>invisibelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one that struck me the most in journalism school was &quot;If it bleeds, it leads.&quot; Terrible, but true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one that struck me the most in journalism school was &#8220;If it bleeds, it leads.&#8221; Terrible, but true.</p>
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		<title>By: papiermeister</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/12/newspapers-depressin.html#comment-437542</link>
		<dc:creator>papiermeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this thread. I have lived with these terms my whole life (dad was a newsman, Grampa a lithographer and I have far too many years in printing to want to disclose). I have never given it much thought, but seeing them all listed together and taken as a whole, they do seem a bit dark. Then again, printing is the &quot;black art&quot; practiced by secretive journeymen and their apprentices the &quot;printer&#039;s devils&quot;.

One term I didn&#039;t see mentioned, and I may be dating myself here, from the days of hot type - the hellbox - a box that sat behind the Linotype for miscast or cast-off lead slugs, held there until being remelted in the pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this thread. I have lived with these terms my whole life (dad was a newsman, Grampa a lithographer and I have far too many years in printing to want to disclose). I have never given it much thought, but seeing them all listed together and taken as a whole, they do seem a bit dark. Then again, printing is the &#8220;black art&#8221; practiced by secretive journeymen and their apprentices the &#8220;printer&#8217;s devils&#8221;.</p>
<p>One term I didn&#8217;t see mentioned, and I may be dating myself here, from the days of hot type &#8211; the hellbox &#8211; a box that sat behind the Linotype for miscast or cast-off lead slugs, held there until being remelted in the pot.</p>
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		<title>By: cmuwriter</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmuwriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As well as cutline.  But seriously, I think you&#039;re reaching with the jargon thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As well as cutline.  But seriously, I think you&#8217;re reaching with the jargon thing.</p>
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		<title>By: LYNDON</title>
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		<dc:creator>LYNDON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, many of those are printer&#039;s terms.

IAMAP but off the top of my head the most virtuous press jargon I can think of is (something like) &#039;priests&#039; and &#039;friars&#039;.

Which, it might well be noted, refer to mistakes - particular kinds of accidental ink blotch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, many of those are printer&#8217;s terms.</p>
<p>IAMAP but off the top of my head the most virtuous press jargon I can think of is (something like) &#8216;priests&#8217; and &#8216;friars&#8217;.</p>
<p>Which, it might well be noted, refer to mistakes &#8211; particular kinds of accidental ink blotch.</p>
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		<title>By: gollux</title>
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		<dc:creator>gollux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing is as useless as yesterday&#039;s news and being dead, it goes to the morgue. Perfectly applied to where you store old newspapers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing is as useless as yesterday&#8217;s news and being dead, it goes to the morgue. Perfectly applied to where you store old newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: Agies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course most of this is not exclusive to newspaper printing but to the entire print design industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course most of this is not exclusive to newspaper printing but to the entire print design industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I once worked at a paper that tried to use &quot;library&quot; instead of &quot;morgue&quot; and the reporters, rightly, simply refused to go along. 

Call them whatever bloodless term you want to come up with, but I, for one, will continue to kill widows and orphans. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once worked at a paper that tried to use &#8220;library&#8221; instead of &#8220;morgue&#8221; and the reporters, rightly, simply refused to go along. </p>
<p>Call them whatever bloodless term you want to come up with, but I, for one, will continue to kill widows and orphans. </p>
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		<title>By: gouldina</title>
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		<dc:creator>gouldina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always been intrigued by the use of magical terms in computer science such as daemon processes and invoking commands etc but I&#039;m a bit divided as to whether this is because of the imagery or because a lot of IT people read fantasy novels. Perhaps journalists (and/or printers) read too much hard-boiled detective fiction. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always been intrigued by the use of magical terms in computer science such as daemon processes and invoking commands etc but I&#8217;m a bit divided as to whether this is because of the imagery or because a lot of IT people read fantasy novels. Perhaps journalists (and/or printers) read too much hard-boiled detective fiction. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: krosebud84</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Print Design in general has some pretty dark terms. 

Colle+Mcvoy made an online game last year, where they showed you an illustration, and you had to find all of the dark design terms in it.

They have since taken the game offline, but you can see the illustration here: http://creativebits.org/print/design_not_for_the_faint_of_heart ,
 or just google &quot;Design not for the faint of heart&quot;

It&#039;s actually a pretty cool piece, they sold a limited run of prints of the illustration with all the answers on the back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Print Design in general has some pretty dark terms. </p>
<p>Colle+Mcvoy made an online game last year, where they showed you an illustration, and you had to find all of the dark design terms in it.</p>
<p>They have since taken the game offline, but you can see the illustration here: <a href="http://creativebits.org/print/design_not_for_the_faint_of_heart" rel="nofollow">http://creativebits.org/print/design_not_for_the_faint_of_heart</a> ,<br />
 or just google &#8220;Design not for the faint of heart&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually a pretty cool piece, they sold a limited run of prints of the illustration with all the answers on the back.</p>
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		<title>By: kjb</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe you mean &quot;flagging future&quot; rather than &quot;fledgling future.&quot; Does anyone know the roots of the depressing nature of newspapers&#039;/printers&#039; jargon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe you mean &#8220;flagging future&#8221; rather than &#8220;fledgling future.&#8221; Does anyone know the roots of the depressing nature of newspapers&#8217;/printers&#8217; jargon?</p>
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		<title>By: hallpass</title>
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		<dc:creator>hallpass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On one of my first nights working in a newsroom, a copy editor was overheard muttering something to the effect of, &quot;I wish someone would die, damnint.&quot;

She needed one more obit to make the page fit nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On one of my first nights working in a newsroom, a copy editor was overheard muttering something to the effect of, &#8220;I wish someone would die, damnint.&#8221;</p>
<p>She needed one more obit to make the page fit nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: andyhavens</title>
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		<dc:creator>andyhavens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And don&#039;t forget the happy-happy printing terms: bleed, knock-out, burn, crop, gutter, flood, die, gang, ream, strip... good times and ink fumes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget the happy-happy printing terms: bleed, knock-out, burn, crop, gutter, flood, die, gang, ream, strip&#8230; good times and ink fumes.</p>
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		<title>By: ekey</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The editor in chief of my old paper used to compare working in the newsroom to being trapped in a collapsed mine â€” and how we all had to wait for the internet rescue crew to save us all...

Terrifying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The editor in chief of my old paper used to compare working in the newsroom to being trapped in a collapsed mine â€” and how we all had to wait for the internet rescue crew to save us all&#8230;</p>
<p>Terrifying.</p>
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		<title>By: buddy66</title>
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		<dc:creator>buddy66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>spike. spiked.</description>
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		<title>By: Tdawwg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tdawwg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Err, you&#039;re rather reaching for some of these. &lt;i&gt;Gutter&lt;/i&gt; for example, is simply a channel for something, usually liquid; it&#039;s use in English dates at least as far back as ca. 1300. So the later sense of &lt;i&gt;gutter&lt;/i&gt;--as in &quot;Don&#039;t wind up living in the gutter&quot;--the one you&#039;re projecting negative feelings onto, isn&#039;t really the primary semantic sense from which the printing &lt;i&gt;gutter&lt;/i&gt; derives, nor is it particularly negative: simply a water channel running along the side of the street.

Same with &lt;i&gt;beat&lt;/i&gt;, which simply references a policeman&#039;s beat, which in turn derives from the rhythmic, periodic beating of their feet as they walk their wonted rounds: nothing negative in that, surely. The OED does record a sense of &lt;i&gt;beat&lt;/i&gt; as &quot;A success scored against rivals by a reporter or newspaper; an item of news secured and published in advance of competitors,&quot; but this doesn&#039;t seem to be the one you&#039;re referencing: I take you to mean generally one&#039;s wonted subject as a reporter.

Words have histories and meanings: the senses we can apply to them are quite often the latest ones, and often inaccurate as to the primary and original senses of the word. Nice try, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Err, you&#8217;re rather reaching for some of these. <i>Gutter</i> for example, is simply a channel for something, usually liquid; it&#8217;s use in English dates at least as far back as ca. 1300. So the later sense of <i>gutter</i>&#8211;as in &#8220;Don&#8217;t wind up living in the gutter&#8221;&#8211;the one you&#8217;re projecting negative feelings onto, isn&#8217;t really the primary semantic sense from which the printing <i>gutter</i> derives, nor is it particularly negative: simply a water channel running along the side of the street.</p>
<p>Same with <i>beat</i>, which simply references a policeman&#8217;s beat, which in turn derives from the rhythmic, periodic beating of their feet as they walk their wonted rounds: nothing negative in that, surely. The OED does record a sense of <i>beat</i> as &#8220;A success scored against rivals by a reporter or newspaper; an item of news secured and published in advance of competitors,&#8221; but this doesn&#8217;t seem to be the one you&#8217;re referencing: I take you to mean generally one&#8217;s wonted subject as a reporter.</p>
<p>Words have histories and meanings: the senses we can apply to them are quite often the latest ones, and often inaccurate as to the primary and original senses of the word. Nice try, though!</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what&#039;s the dirtiest sentence you can compose in newspaper jargon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s the dirtiest sentence you can compose in newspaper jargon?</p>
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		<title>By: airship</title>
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		<dc:creator>airship</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my day, we also had slugs &amp; bullets, breaks, bugs, whips, bulldogs, and reefers. And at the end of the day, everything we did had to be justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my day, we also had slugs &#038; bullets, breaks, bugs, whips, bulldogs, and reefers. And at the end of the day, everything we did had to be justified.</p>
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