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		<title>By: Amphysvena</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-446208</link>
		<dc:creator>Amphysvena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is it that so few people noticed that the name posted is George Vaccaro, but the check clearly says Randall Patrick Munroe?

I claim shenanigans and thievery on George.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is it that so few people noticed that the name posted is George Vaccaro, but the check clearly says Randall Patrick Munroe?</p>
<p>I claim shenanigans and thievery on George.</p>
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		<title>By: Nelson.C</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444932</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson.C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orcon, 0,5 is 1/2; 0,05 is 1/20.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orcon, 0,5 is 1/2; 0,05 is 1/20.</p>
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		<title>By: stratosfyr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444940</link>
		<dc:creator>stratosfyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either way it&#039;s pretty reasonable, given that Bell charges $50/MB or $0.05/kb for bandwidth if you don&#039;t have a data plan.  Or if you tether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either way it&#8217;s pretty reasonable, given that Bell charges $50/MB or $0.05/kb for bandwidth if you don&#8217;t have a data plan.  Or if you tether.</p>
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		<title>By: neilwalker</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444685</link>
		<dc:creator>neilwalker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see that Boing Boing is happy to trash Verizon&#039;s customer service, even though Verizon has sponsored Boing Boing TV (do they still sponsor BBTV?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see that Boing Boing is happy to trash Verizon&#8217;s customer service, even though Verizon has sponsored Boing Boing TV (do they still sponsor BBTV?)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-746254</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOD this is painful! This guy did initially state things clearly - to the guy. But, when the woman got on the phone, he shouldn&#039;t repeat himself nor repeat THEIR stupidity.  He should say: 
&quot;You quoted me 0.002 cents per kilobyte. I used 35893 kB. So I owe you 0.002 cents/kB times 35893 kB which equals 71.786 cents.  But, you are charging me 71.786 dollars.&quot;

Force VERIZON to figure out their own error.
Don&#039;t hypothesize or conjecture where their error is. Don&#039;t say &quot;I am being charged 0.002 dollars per kB.&quot; Just simply state:

&quot;I owe you 71 cents. That&#039;s all I owe you.&quot;

Then, just pay the 71 cents this month, 89 cents the next month, and so on. Make VERIZON complain when they don&#039;t get the money they &quot;think&quot; you owe them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOD this is painful! This guy did initially state things clearly &#8211; to the guy. But, when the woman got on the phone, he shouldn&#8217;t repeat himself nor repeat THEIR stupidity.  He should say:<br />
&#8220;You quoted me 0.002 cents per kilobyte. I used 35893 kB. So I owe you 0.002 cents/kB times 35893 kB which equals 71.786 cents.  But, you are charging me 71.786 dollars.&#8221;</p>
<p>Force VERIZON to figure out their own error.<br />
Don&#8217;t hypothesize or conjecture where their error is. Don&#8217;t say &#8220;I am being charged 0.002 dollars per kB.&#8221; Just simply state:</p>
<p>&#8220;I owe you 71 cents. That&#8217;s all I owe you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then, just pay the 71 cents this month, 89 cents the next month, and so on. Make VERIZON complain when they don&#8217;t get the money they &#8220;think&#8221; you owe them.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-746258</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, do NOT say &quot;it was my &#039;assumption&#039; that I was quoted 0.002 cents per kB&quot;  State clearly: 

&quot;We agreed and I owe you 0.002 cents per kB&quot;

After the first hypothetical situation, he should realize that won&#039;t help with these people.

Just send them what THEY had agreed to charge you - each month - and nothing more. Then call them if they dare try to violate their agreement.

It&#039;s NOT just a &quot;math&quot; problem. It&#039;s also a &quot;human psychology&quot; problem. 

Trust me - when people / organizations / corporations don&#039;t have the money - suddenly they get VERY good at math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, do NOT say &#8220;it was my &#8216;assumption&#8217; that I was quoted 0.002 cents per kB&#8221;  State clearly: </p>
<p>&#8220;We agreed and I owe you 0.002 cents per kB&#8221;</p>
<p>After the first hypothetical situation, he should realize that won&#8217;t help with these people.</p>
<p>Just send them what THEY had agreed to charge you &#8211; each month &#8211; and nothing more. Then call them if they dare try to violate their agreement.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s NOT just a &#8220;math&#8221; problem. It&#8217;s also a &#8220;human psychology&#8221; problem. </p>
<p>Trust me &#8211; when people / organizations / corporations don&#8217;t have the money &#8211; suddenly they get VERY good at math.</p>
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		<title>By: mdh</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444690</link>
		<dc:creator>mdh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBTV is so 2008. </description>
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		<title>By: arkizzle</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-445203</link>
		<dc:creator>arkizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crap.. I think just deleted this comment before it sent properly. Sorry if it&#039;s a double post.

Piers W,

&quot;&lt;i&gt;To those above using commas and getting confused thereby, the metric system has no commas.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Tell it to these people:

Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia, Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both separators officially), Macau, Macedonia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Africa (officially[citation needed], but dot point is commonly used in business), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;In Croatia, Estonia, France, Finland, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and much of Latin Europe as well as French Canada: 1 234 567,89 (In Spain, in handwriting it is also common to use an upper comma: 123.456&#039;89)&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

&quot;&lt;i&gt;In Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Romania, Sweden and much of Europe: 1 234 567,89 or 1.234.567,89 (in handwriting, 1Ë™234Ë™567,89 is also seen, but never in Denmark or Sweden)&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

&quot;&lt;i&gt;In the Netherlands: for currencies the thousands separator is a dot, e.g. EUR 1.234.567,89, but for other numbers a (narrow) space is used, e.g. 1 234 567,89&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_comma#Countries_using_Arabic_numerals_with_decimal_comma</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap.. I think just deleted this comment before it sent properly. Sorry if it&#8217;s a double post.</p>
<p>Piers W,</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>To those above using commas and getting confused thereby, the metric system has no commas.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Tell it to these people:</p>
<p>Albania, Andorra, Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Canada (French-speaking), Costa Rica, Croatia (comma used officially, but both forms are in use elsewhere), Chile, Colombia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Faroes, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Guatemala, Honduras, Hungary, Indonesia, Iceland, Italy, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg (uses both separators officially), Macau, Macedonia, Moldova, Netherlands, Norway, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovakia, South Africa (officially[citation needed], but dot point is commonly used in business), Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Ukraine, Uruguay, Venezuela, Vietnam.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>In Croatia, Estonia, France, Finland, Hungary, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and much of Latin Europe as well as French Canada: 1 234 567,89 (In Spain, in handwriting it is also common to use an upper comma: 123.456&#8217;89)</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>In Germany, Belgium, Denmark, Italy, Romania, Sweden and much of Europe: 1 234 567,89 or 1.234.567,89 (in handwriting, 1Ë™234Ë™567,89 is also seen, but never in Denmark or Sweden)</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>In the Netherlands: for currencies the thousands separator is a dot, e.g. EUR 1.234.567,89, but for other numbers a (narrow) space is used, e.g. 1 234 567,89</i>&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_comma#Countries_using_Arabic_numerals_with_decimal_comma" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_comma#Countries_using_Arabic_numerals_with_decimal_comma</a></p>
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		<title>By: jamied21</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444702</link>
		<dc:creator>jamied21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@18

Come on!</description>
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<p>Come on!</p>
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		<title>By: macisaguy</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-445473</link>
		<dc:creator>macisaguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this story makes in appearance in the most recent xkcd.com comic.  (it&#039;s all about the mouse-over, baby...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this story makes in appearance in the most recent xkcd.com comic.  (it&#8217;s all about the mouse-over, baby&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: kaosdevice</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444708</link>
		<dc:creator>kaosdevice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;tis indeed an old story, still funny though. Plus I have always wanted a shirt of that Munroe check, it cracks me up every time I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8217;tis indeed an old story, still funny though. Plus I have always wanted a shirt of that Munroe check, it cracks me up every time I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: CosmicMonkey</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444709</link>
		<dc:creator>CosmicMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an important issue. Doesn&#039;t matter if it&#039;s old. The problem is as old as language. 

#36 - You are wrong, this dude was as polite as a guy running into total ignorance could be. Sometimes I think certain strains of politeness weaken the very fabric of reality, such as politeness in the face of total stupidity. But, I live int eh Midwest and it is the norm. People need to stand up for the brain, as it is getting a good pummeling in the screen age. &quot;My computer says this...&quot; Who&#039;s smarter?



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an important issue. Doesn&#8217;t matter if it&#8217;s old. The problem is as old as language. </p>
<p>#36 &#8211; You are wrong, this dude was as polite as a guy running into total ignorance could be. Sometimes I think certain strains of politeness weaken the very fabric of reality, such as politeness in the face of total stupidity. But, I live int eh Midwest and it is the norm. People need to stand up for the brain, as it is getting a good pummeling in the screen age. &#8220;My computer says this&#8230;&#8221; Who&#8217;s smarter?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444719</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what did he end up paying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what did he end up paying?</p>
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		<title>By: stuhfoo</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444466</link>
		<dc:creator>stuhfoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>errrgh, don&#039;t get me started about the lack of arithmetic/logic skills in the general workforce...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>errrgh, don&#8217;t get me started about the lack of arithmetic/logic skills in the general workforce&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Drhaggis</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444722</link>
		<dc:creator>Drhaggis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@37 Free ice cream is free. Offering Rocky Road for the first time is great, no matter how many other places offered it first. Re-launching the &quot;Have you heard about Rocky Road&quot; campaign every couple of months is pointless and tiresome. Guns don&#039;t enter into it. 

I can use my powers of mouse and trackpad to skip stories that do not interest me. However from a journalistic point of view, republishing stories without additional news, commentary, info, links, jokes, or context is something to be avoided, don&#039;t you think?

Unless this, like most folk stories, have some power in the telling. It doesn&#039;t matter that it has been told before, it must be told again. To exorcise mathemagical demons perhaps? 



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@37 Free ice cream is free. Offering Rocky Road for the first time is great, no matter how many other places offered it first. Re-launching the &#8220;Have you heard about Rocky Road&#8221; campaign every couple of months is pointless and tiresome. Guns don&#8217;t enter into it. </p>
<p>I can use my powers of mouse and trackpad to skip stories that do not interest me. However from a journalistic point of view, republishing stories without additional news, commentary, info, links, jokes, or context is something to be avoided, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>Unless this, like most folk stories, have some power in the telling. It doesn&#8217;t matter that it has been told before, it must be told again. To exorcise mathemagical demons perhaps? </p>
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		<title>By: singingdragon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444469</link>
		<dc:creator>singingdragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this something like the third time you guys have posted this?  Randall&#039;s joke check is from 2006, and the original issue goes back to 2004.  Old news!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this something like the third time you guys have posted this?  Randall&#8217;s joke check is from 2006, and the original issue goes back to 2004.  Old news!</p>
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		<title>By: bbonyx</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444475</link>
		<dc:creator>bbonyx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old school.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444476</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the issue in part is that the 2c/KB charge for mobile phone data in Canada seems to be the norm (although to people from most other countries, myself included, that seems too outrageous to be believable.)

$2/MB is about an order of magnitude more expensive than South Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the issue in part is that the 2c/KB charge for mobile phone data in Canada seems to be the norm (although to people from most other countries, myself included, that seems too outrageous to be believable.)</p>
<p>$2/MB is about an order of magnitude more expensive than South Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: russ3llr</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-445248</link>
		<dc:creator>russ3llr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jphilby
&lt;i&gt;35,000 kB is 35MB&lt;/i&gt;

Pedantic, but this is kind of a maths thread...

35,000KB is around 34.18MB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jphilby<br />
<i>35,000 kB is 35MB</i></p>
<p>Pedantic, but this is kind of a maths thread&#8230;</p>
<p>35,000KB is around 34.18MB</p>
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		<title>By: stumo</title>
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		<dc:creator>stumo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#71 - and, for anyone not confused yet, from the same wikipedia article

&lt;blockquote&gt;
In India, due to a numeral system using lakhs (lacs) (1,00,000 equal to 100 000) and crores (1,00,00,000 equal to 10 000 000), comma is used at levels of thousand, lakh and crore, for example, 10 million (1 crore) would be written as 1,00,00,000.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Things aren&#039;t nearly as universal as we&#039;d like...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#71 &#8211; and, for anyone not confused yet, from the same wikipedia article</p>
<blockquote><p>
In India, due to a numeral system using lakhs (lacs) (1,00,000 equal to 100 000) and crores (1,00,00,000 equal to 10 000 000), comma is used at levels of thousand, lakh and crore, for example, 10 million (1 crore) would be written as 1,00,00,000.
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<p>Things aren&#8217;t nearly as universal as we&#8217;d like&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>arkizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, the issue is that neither the telephone staff, nor their manager understood the possibility of fractions of a cent.

They confirm, multiple times, that .02Â¢ is the same 2Â¢. This isn&#039;t a matter of similarity of rates, it is a distinct lack of mathematical comprehension. They clearly believe that any decimal points in money refer to cents, and any whole numbers refer to dollars, and nothing beyond that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, the issue is that neither the telephone staff, nor their manager understood the possibility of fractions of a cent.</p>
<p>They confirm, multiple times, that .02Â¢ is the same 2Â¢. This isn&#8217;t a matter of similarity of rates, it is a distinct lack of mathematical comprehension. They clearly believe that any decimal points in money refer to cents, and any whole numbers refer to dollars, and nothing beyond that.</p>
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		<title>By: desprez</title>
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		<dc:creator>desprez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, old news, still funny though.
As I recall, there was also someone who went back and called a bunch of times to get a sampling of how many were still giving mistaken information, even after the incident hit the news and was corrected.

A bunch were still quoting it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, old news, still funny though.<br />
As I recall, there was also someone who went back and called a bunch of times to get a sampling of how many were still giving mistaken information, even after the incident hit the news and was corrected.</p>
<p>A bunch were still quoting it wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: nickwu008</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444485</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, my god, I can not understand it too !</description>
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		<title>By: Derek Bledsoe</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444490</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek Bledsoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this actually boils down to a semantic problem. They&#039;re seeing $.002 and prob reading it as &quot;cents&quot; because they&#039;re assimilating the decimal point as an automatic semantic shift to cent rather then dollar. So, if you saw $.02, you&#039;d read that as &quot;two cents&quot; (I imagine most wouldn&#039;t say &quot;point zero two dollars&quot;)

Either way, more schooling please people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this actually boils down to a semantic problem. They&#8217;re seeing $.002 and prob reading it as &#8220;cents&#8221; because they&#8217;re assimilating the decimal point as an automatic semantic shift to cent rather then dollar. So, if you saw $.02, you&#8217;d read that as &#8220;two cents&#8221; (I imagine most wouldn&#8217;t say &#8220;point zero two dollars&#8221;)</p>
<p>Either way, more schooling please people!</p>
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		<title>By: Itkovan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-445516</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He kept referring to it as a terminology problem.  It&#039;s not.  It&#039;s a math problem, pure and simple.  They took 35893KB * .002c and came up with $71.786.  In order to get through to these simple minds he should have kept drilling in this cents to dollars conversion.  Have them repeat after him, 35893KB * .002 CENTS = 71.786 CENTS.  Time after time until it sank in.

I was hoping to hear him say .002 cents is .00002 dollars, that way they reps could not have done the false conversion and the figure they saw on their calculators would have been exactly the same as what the charge should have been, .71786 dollars.

It&#039;s like he was trying to teach them to understand math, when all he needed to do was to firmly illustrate the error.  Even so, I&#039;ve been in similar situations and empathize with him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He kept referring to it as a terminology problem.  It&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s a math problem, pure and simple.  They took 35893KB * .002c and came up with $71.786.  In order to get through to these simple minds he should have kept drilling in this cents to dollars conversion.  Have them repeat after him, 35893KB * .002 CENTS = 71.786 CENTS.  Time after time until it sank in.</p>
<p>I was hoping to hear him say .002 cents is .00002 dollars, that way they reps could not have done the false conversion and the figure they saw on their calculators would have been exactly the same as what the charge should have been, .71786 dollars.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like he was trying to teach them to understand math, when all he needed to do was to firmly illustrate the error.  Even so, I&#8217;ve been in similar situations and empathize with him.</p>
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		<title>By: Hxue</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-445262</link>
		<dc:creator>Hxue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the name on the cheque, Randell Munroe! 
XKCD!

http://xkcd.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the name on the cheque, Randell Munroe!<br />
XKCD!</p>
<p><a href="http://xkcd.com/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pip_R_Lagenta</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444495</link>
		<dc:creator>Pip_R_Lagenta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, go ahead STUHFOO @#1.  Let me help you along a little bit with a blog essay on the subject that I wrote last year: &lt;a href=&quot;http://pip-r-lagenta.livejournal.com/6969.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It is called &lt;strong&gt;Cow-Orker Math&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, go ahead STUHFOO @#1.  Let me help you along a little bit with a blog essay on the subject that I wrote last year: <a href="http://pip-r-lagenta.livejournal.com/6969.html" rel="nofollow">It is called <strong>Cow-Orker Math</strong>.</a> </p>
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		<title>By: jphilby</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-445008</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>35,000 kB is 35MB.

Who in their right mind would pay $70 to download a 35MB file?

The poor guy should have asked to speak to someone in engineering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>35,000 kB is 35MB.</p>
<p>Who in their right mind would pay $70 to download a 35MB file?</p>
<p>The poor guy should have asked to speak to someone in engineering.</p>
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		<title>By: GregLondon</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444499</link>
		<dc:creator>GregLondon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But Verizon customer service insists there&#039;s no difference between .002 dollars and .002 cents.&lt;/i&gt;

Dude, when they send you a bill for 143 dollars, you send them a check for 143 cents.

Then provide the name of the customer service rep you told you they&#039;re the same.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But Verizon customer service insists there&#8217;s no difference between .002 dollars and .002 cents.</i></p>
<p>Dude, when they send you a bill for 143 dollars, you send them a check for 143 cents.</p>
<p>Then provide the name of the customer service rep you told you they&#8217;re the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucifer</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/03/19/verizon-doesnt-under.html#comment-444755</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew an old man who kept telling the same stories over too. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew an old man who kept telling the same stories over too. </p>
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