Long-secret Red Cross Report Says Medical Workers Helped US Torture Terror Suspects

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34 Responses to “Long-secret Red Cross Report Says Medical Workers Helped US Torture Terror Suspects”

  1. theWalrus says:

    Takuan, proving Godwin so soon?

  2. GeekMan says:

    Phlip: How about, “Tip: Don’t @&*%ing torture people”?

  3. Phlip says:

    Geekman: Enlightened self-interest is admittedly beyond some peoples’ comprehension.

    And per the Nuremberg Defense, we can prosecute anyone in the chain of command now…

  4. Takuan says:

    Godwin, my toothy friend, only applies if the topic is NOT Nazi related.

  5. Antinous / Moderator says:

    There’s been public debate about this for some time, with some physicians wanting to get all up in there so that they could try to help the prisoners. Presumably the CIA only hired the sociopathic applicants.

  6. 360photo says:

    Any way to get our donations back?

  7. Ugly Canuck says:

    What really troubles me is that this particular “cottage industry” may scale into a true industry, as it did in that industrial and economic powerhouse of the 1930s: Germany.

  8. Lyddiechu says:

    I’m disappointed this didn’t make the front page of the NYT website, not that I can say I’m surprised,T Magazine scoops being much more crucial and all..

  9. eustace says:

    The Red Cross report is based on information from Guantanamo detainees who were Al Qaeda members. I wonder where are those disgusting medical “professionals” now, and how long we have before one or two start confessing, perhaps in exchange for immunity from prosecution?

  10. Antinous / Moderator says:

    Any way to get our donations back?

    The Red Cross made the report; they didn’t torture people. RTFA

  11. Anonymous says:

    there is no reason to believe any of this is all safely in the past,either. Closing — or planning to close — Guantanamo is a PR move; there is no indication that Bagram in Afghanistan,and other, secret, US prison/torture centers are being closed.

  12. theWalrus says:

    Good one, Takuan.

  13. w000t says:

    @jahknow

    I came to mention the Democracy Now! coverage as well. (Pacifica and others just broadcasts DN!–it’s independent).

    There were too many segments to list them all, but in the end the APA did the right thing.

  14. Anonymous says:

    @#16
    I donated money to Gitmo, but I never recieved my tote and commemorative waterboard.

  15. mikelotus says:

    Lyddiechu, you must read the other NY Times site. The one I read at http://www.nytimes.com is where I read this before here.

  16. jahknow says:

    It wasn’t a secret if you’ve been listening to “Pacifica’s Democracy Now” — some time ago, there was a big rift in the American Psychological Association about this.

  17. Andrew W says:

    “Facilitating such practices, which the Red Cross described as torture…”

    Can we please stop using such soft, passive waffle language around torture? That phrase should have been written “Facilitating torture was a violation of medical ethics”. I thought once the new guy got in we would be allowed to call it what it is.

    (PS – new comments system seems to be a bit flakey.)

  18. HotPepperMan says:

    Rather than targeting a single group of people who were involved in the torture, and venting your spleen at them, a more positive approach would be to call your Congress person and demand that positive action to:

    A) Get Gitmo closed.
    B) Bring everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) who was involved into the public eye.
    C) Regardless of the actions of the ‘enemy combatants’ there are clear rules that the US has signed up to (Convention Against Torture being just one) and these has now been proven to have been broken.
    D) Those who committed the acts of torture should be made to face up to these and be punished according to the law.
    E) No action would mean a social acceptance of this and would allow this to occur again.

    So? What are you waiting for?

  19. Michael says:

    Drip, drip, drip…

  20. Takuan says:

    do you really think those who own America will let you put Bush and Cheney in a prison cell?

    Did you know that Jerry Ford genuinely believed he was in danger of eternal hell for pardoning Nixon?

  21. jeffv says:

    The headline is ambiguous.

    I first read it, thinking ‘Good! Medical workers helped the people who were being tortured.’

    On reading the article I see that they were helping to torture. :-( Not at all what medical personnel are supposed to do.

    I suggest: “Long-secret Red Cross Report Says Medical Workers Helped To Torture US Terror Suspects”.

  22. Anonymous says:

    Whats new. I dont even like getting started on things like this. Where did they first go wrong, why didnt they speak up, etc. The fact is that their is disturbing corruption and cruelty from the bottom up and the top down. The worst part is that there is no end in sight. The only thing that an honest man has left is hope. The hope that its absolute stupidity and corruption will cause the inevitable downfall of those in control. The world has enough problems without a bunch of money grubbing know-nothings running around raping the last bit of sanity for cash. Arent you tired of being peddled fear? If they keep you guessing and looking outside the United States for where the problem is, then they can go on doing whatever they please right here at home.

  23. Cupcake Faerie says:

    Takuan,
    Isn’t it time to take America away from those who “own it”?
    After that,
    Indict and prosecute
    Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice
    ( I think it would e difficult to indict/prosecute Bush but it would be great punishment for him to watch this go down )
    If guilty, then
    Incarcerate them.
    They are the true source of this evil. I’m waiting for the day to read of the delivery of justice. I wish there was more we could do to expedite it.

  24. Ugly Canuck says:

    It’s not just the torture but the illegality of it all, that stinks to high heaven:

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/65608.html

    To quote the Judge: “Unjust and outrageous…How can this court have any confidence whatsoever in the United States government to comply with its obligations and to be truthful to the court?”

    With W. and Cheney, the Court simply can not have any such: they are after all on the record as stating that the US Gov (as embodied in themselves) is a system of elective tyranny, so far as those not US Citizens are concerned: they declared that they could torture and order the killing of any individual on the planet, in their unfettered and unreviewable discretion.

    And those “guardians of the world’s liberties”, the people of the USA, do not see a problem with this.

  25. Phlip says:

    Following up to Geekman:

    You misunderstood my comment. Using doctors to keep the victims alive is the BEST EVIDENCE we have of INTENT to torture.

    And, no, the Bush name brand does not own America any more. Dubya ruined it for them, by being too incompetent to even get fascism right.

  26. Xopher says:

    I want their names. They should lose their medical licenses (after due process) and be ostracized from society. Let them work at Wal-Mart.

  27. zoetrope says:

    #13-360photo

    “Any way to get our donations back?”

    Imagine if there was a convenient way to get donations back. Just think of all the donations the Red Cross would have to return.

  28. Xopher says:

    Let them be the Christmas season casuals who have to open the door on sale day at Wal-Mart!

  29. elsmiley says:

    I’m not the least bit surprised. People think that those who work in the medical industry have some sort of superior ethics over other people. Having been intimately involved in that industry, I can tell you that that assumption is dead wrong. Drug use, unethical practices and sexual harassment–among other things, like what is mentioned here–are all rampant behind the scenes at medical facilities.

  30. GeekMan says:

    Xopher: Hear hear!

    Beyond atrocious. That any doctor could break a solemn vow to do no harm by participating in one of the most barbaric human practices ever conceived of shatters my faith in humanity. There truly are no words for this.

  31. Takuan says:

    “The report quoted one medical official as telling a detainee: “I look after your body only because we need you for information.”

  32. Phlip says:

    Tip: When you torture someone, _always_ have a medical professional on hand to monitor them. This is to make sure you can go as far as you like without killing them.

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