Raquel Welch (On Cross)

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  1. Phikus says:

    Takuan: Amen!

  2. Nelson.C says:

    Is there a word for making something inappropriately sacred? Kind of like the complement or opposite to blasphemy?

  3. Takuan says:

    seeing clearly?

  4. Tdawwg says:

    # Nelson: hypervenerate?

  5. Phikus says:

    I thought it was called religion.

  6. planettom says:

    Having never seen the movie “One Million Years BC”, I do have a question for anyone who has: Is there actually a scene like this in the film, where cavegirl Raquel gets crucified?

    Images of crucifixion stir up powerful memories from childhood for me. I’m talking of course about the 1982 Arnold Schwarzenegger movie CONAN THE BARBARIAN!

  7. Phikus says:

    Planettom: No, just the costume (or lack thereof.)

    and… TAKE HIM TO THE TREE OF WOE!!!

    (You have to use all caps and at least 3 exclamation points to simulate the James Earl Jones voice in text. It’s in the style guide.)

  8. Takuan says:

    or if you’re a little older you may recall nine days and nights on Yggdrasil.

  9. BlackPanda says:

    I can imagine the death threats.

  10. Phikus says:

    *Fatally bites the neck of a vulture about to pluck eyes out and spits it to the ground with an embarrassing guttural sound.*

    Takuan, what is best in life?

  11. Antinous / Moderator says:

    More importantly, here’s Ms. Welch last year at age 67. And the, um, seminal art video Raquel Welch Space Girl Dance.

  12. InsertFingerHere says:

    @5 Homehive: You can’t appropriate the image of crucifixion the same way Jews can with yellow stars. People from all walks of life got hung up over the ages.

    It was by good fortune that the Romans decided on crucifixion, it’s visual, prolonged, and sends a message. And hey, we’re still talking about it 1700 years later.

    Imagine if they cut his head off, or pushed him off a cliff…. or the best one.. burned him alive! How would that look years later in paintings? Jesus surrounded by flames.

    Kinda hard to re-enact that one every Easter.

    At least they didn’t shove something up his ass (I don’t mean any disrespect, but there’s lots of unpleasant ways to die).

  13. Chocolatey Shatner says:

    Wait, so now I’m confused: it was the cavemen who killed Jesus?

  14. Takuan says:

    To drive your trolls before you and to gut their vowels and hear the lamentations of their fanbois!

  15. Phikus says:

    Antinous: Obligatory 10,000 BC and Bedazzled, respectively.

    What’s not to find sacred?

    *Presents shiny sword of teh internets to Takuan*

  16. Anonymous says:

    The comments on blasphemy et al remind me of a current confrontation in Germany: Klinsmann vs taz.

    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4177912,00.html

  17. Teller says:

    Like George Lois’ Ali being shot with arrows ala St. Sebastian, artistic statements using a crucifixion are invariably references to someone sacrificing him/herself for a cause, specifically meaning Jesus. It’s disingenuous to insist otherwise or pretend artists or illustrators mean ‘some other’ crucifixion. They mean That One. But, whatever.

  18. wizardofplum says:

    PHIKUS.Touche! you cheeky chappie.You saw through my ploy and in only 2hrs. came up with 35 possible alternatives,but not the correct one I am
    impressed.Ah! on craigslist you are identified as
    Molly’s Dadio ‘N?-clever-so is she your kith or kin?Now don’t be coy boy,at what city do you post
    In order that we can all benefit from your bon mots and razor sharp wit.Dolly Madison indeed!lol
    Perhaps Homehives silence speaks volumns,either
    contempt or censure,we may never know.Pity!

  19. Lauren O says:

    Now, I could be remembering my history incorrectly, but I was pretty sure that the crucifixion happened closer to 0 AD than 1000000 BC.

  20. Brainspore says:

    It didn’t seem to make much of a fuss when the current governor of my state had a crucifixion scene in “Conan the Barbarian” back in ’82. Maybe because he got nailed to a differently-shaped piece of wood?

  21. Phikus says:

    I love it specifically because it brings to mind the Jesus crucifixion, and carries it (ahem) into a postmodern context. No argument there. It is obviously a comment on iconography (Catholic idolatry specifically) while displaying a brilliantly wicked and fearless sense of humor.

    And it’s damn sexy, I must say! It helps to point out how all those crucifixes with the scantily clad muscular Jesus are sexy as well, with a simple gender reversal. Dogmas were made to be challenged and broken down for your own good. Maybe then you’ll find some real God.

    Bek@10: You’re welcome! =D

  22. Teller says:

    #43, Brainspore: Not sure if you’re responding to my post, so I may be out of line BUT, no one – not an artist or illustrator – is referencing Conan the Barbarian when they depict Donald Duck or Bernie Madoff or anyone nailed to a cross. Fuss-wise, I don’t care when crucifixion symbology is used – I just detest the ‘we don’t mean Jesus’ bullshit. THAT crucifixion is the symbol of sacrifice for a cause. Anyone who understands political art knows it.

  23. wizardofplum says:

    #24 PHIKUS-Oh you devious little Munchkin I recognise your anagram for the real you, I PHUKS.
    What nom de plume do you use on your Craigslist
    rant?Maybe #5 Homehive has some zingers for you.
    According to Bible scholars the Greek scriptures
    used “stauros’[stake] 27 times,stauroo,a verb 46
    times.Classical Greek and Koine define stauros as
    a single pole of xylon[wood].A Greek scholar,one
    W.E.Vine,states the origin of the two-piece cross
    was the brainwave of the Chaldeans and was adopted
    from the pagans in the 3rd century C.E by
    Christendom.But lets face it Ms Welch looks far more alluring spread-eagled.Sorry, Homehive,Jesus
    was impaled on the traditional Jewish stake.You
    did not deserve the ad hominem attacks,consider the source and smile

  24. klg19 says:

    A shame you didn’t post this on Good Friday.

    Ahem.

    No? Too soon?

  25. Anonymous says:

    You’d think a website with “Art” in its title would know not to compress the hell out of a JPG like that. It’s probably a good picture — but it’ll take 3,100.00 to know for sure.

  26. David Pescovitz says:

    Darn. You’re totally right.

  27. Paul Dreyer says:

    I’d tax Raquel Welch on a cross. I’ve a feeling she’d tax me.

  28. Takuan says:

    always look on the brrrriiiight side….

  29. philoponia says:

    …And suddenly I’ve found religion.

  30. homehive says:

    I’m old enough to remember when blaspheming someone’s religious belief was considered a BAD THING. When did this change? Shame on you boingboing.com contributors! Don’t you ever think before you speak (or blog)?

    • Antinous / Moderator says:

      homehive,

      We blaspheme Islam and orthodox Judaism whenever we post representational artworks (graven images). Nobody ever kicks up a fuss about that.

  31. Phikus says:

    I’m crucifixated! ;D

  32. Brainspore says:

    @ Teller #45: I didn’t mean that people should think of Conan when they see a crucifixion, I just meant that it’s at least possible to show a crucifixion scene without meaning it as a Jesus metaphor.

    I also think that many Christians tend to forget that countless thousands of other people also died horrifically in the same manner, and hype up Christ’s last hours as if it were an unparalleled act of suffering and self-sacrifice.

  33. allen says:

    Next thing you know Boingboing is going to post something that pokes fun at white males.

    Is nothing sacred??

  34. Phikus says:

    Homohive: Shame on you for not having a sense of humor! God does, after all.

  35. Phikus says:

    One person’s blasphemy is another’s feminist statement.

  36. Bek says:

    @9 Thank you.

  37. Lord Xenu says:

    This is even hotter than a picture of Jesus on the cross.

  38. Anonymous says:

    Blasphemy is a religious crime. We don’t recognize it. It’s mind control through controlling imagery and speech, implicitly acknowledging art’s ability to challenge assumptions.

  39. Patrick Dodds says:

    I’m not sure there has ever been anyone else as beautiful as Raquel Welch. Inane, I know, but I can’t help myself.

  40. Kieran O'Neill says:

    @5 Homehive: Yeah, like back in the 70s when this poster was made?

    If someone did this today, I would write it off as cheap commercialism. 30 to 40 years ago when this was made, though, it was a a powerful feminist statement made within the all-pervasive Christian framework familiar to most members of Western society back then.

    And take note: The message is that viewing women as little more than sex objects is tantamount to crucifying them. It’s a little extreme, but it kinda gets the point across. The message is not “OMGLOLZ a chickzor in l3ther on a cross! h4wt!”

    Phikus: “Homohive”? Freudian slip?

  41. Anonymous says:

    #5: I’m old enough to remember that crucifixion was used to put many many more people to death than Jesus, and therefore this pic may not have intended any religiocity (sweet non-word) at all

  42. Powerphail says:

    @36 insertfingerhere

    Guy Fawkes?

  43. Kieran O'Neill says:

    Re what I said about the message: Append to the end of my second to last paragraph:

    “even if that seems to be the average BB response. Sigh.”

  44. Teller says:

    Sure, possible, can’t argue that. It’s also possible that since Raquel is tied and not nailed, it’s not a Jesus reference. I don’t think so for a minute, but one must allow.

  45. Phikus says:

    Kieran: Yeah, that’s what it was. Sure.

  46. Daneel says:

    Mmm, sacrilicious.

  47. Bender says:

    @ Antinous- Please. You’re kidding, right?

  48. Phikus says:

    Clarification: Homohive. My intention was to get under the skin of one so easily offended by “blasphemy.” I meant no disrespect to actual homosexual readers. It was a cheap shot, yes. I’m not above that today, given the right impetus.

  49. spazzm says:

    Teller:Sure, possible, can’t argue that. It’s also possible that since Raquel is tied and not nailed, it’s not a Jesus reference.

    Must. Resist. Nailing. Joke.

    I’m old enough to remember when blaspheming someone’s religious belief was considered a BAD THING. When did this change?

    That changed when people realised that anyone can make up a religion, that all religions are equally (in)valid, and what it is blasphemous to do according to one religion it may be blasphemous to not do according to another religion.

    In other words: It changed when it became impossible to take religion seriously.

  50. Anonymous says:

    Yep, many people were killed via crucifixion. It was such a horrid way to die (usually took 2-3 days to die), Rome decreed that its citizens could not be killed that way.

    Also, when someone was crucified, their clothes were removed–just to add insult to injury. In other words, if this picture was more accurate, Raquel would be naked.

    Now, as a man, after thinking about that, I need to go splash some cold water on my face–it is suddenly too warm…

  51. Powerphail says:

    Delicious blasphemy. Mmm.

  52. LightningRose says:

    Reminiscent of Australian artist Norman Lindsay’s, “The Crucified Venus”, a central theme in the 1994 film, “Sirens”.

    http://www.bpib.com/illustrat/lindsay.htm
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0111201/

  53. Phikus says:

    Wizardofplum: I do phuks. I phuks good! XD Never did the Craigslist for personal reasons. How is it?

    Let Homejive come up with his own zingers, instead of leaving it to Dolly Madison.

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  54. Phikus says:

    I’d like to add that, to me, this image is sacred and I am offended by the idea that it could be simply assumed as blasphemy by outmoded sensibilities; hence my over-the-top reaction, which I do not attempt to excuse. However, if any Christians are offended by these comments, I’d like to quote Rev. Bill by simply asking them to forgive me.

  55. Takuan says:

    again the bloody fish-cultists start pretending they invented everything. Now get this straight: we were tacking people on crosses, trees, stick things and other upright objects before your saviour was a gleam in your god’s eye. You don’t own it, you don’t hold copyright and if anyone has the right to cry blasphemy it’s us.

  56. Teller says:

    Spazzm: Raquel tied and not nailed does strain credulity.

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