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	<title>Comments on: Chunky crapgadget used to conduct the US census (kind&#160;of)</title>
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		<title>By: redconsensus</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479232</link>
		<dc:creator>redconsensus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly, unnamed science fiction stories are the best basis for judging the quality of electronics paid for with federal tax dollars.

And you know, the article actually states that it &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; count the number of people in a household.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly, unnamed science fiction stories are the best basis for judging the quality of electronics paid for with federal tax dollars.</p>
<p>And you know, the article actually states that it <i>can&#8217;t</i> count the number of people in a household.</p>
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		<title>By: Cory Doctorow</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479236</link>
		<dc:creator>Cory Doctorow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only can&#039;t it count the number of people in the household (as the FA states), it also can&#039;t even direct the census workers who are carrying it to the houses they&#039;re supposed to count, turning random ridges into passable roads, etc (also per the FA). But don&#039;t let that stop you, @Art Carnage, since you clearly have an imaginary version of this gadget that you&#039;re compelled to defend by citing hypothetical science fiction stories, and that moral high ground entitles you to call me &quot;stupid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only can&#8217;t it count the number of people in the household (as the FA states), it also can&#8217;t even direct the census workers who are carrying it to the houses they&#8217;re supposed to count, turning random ridges into passable roads, etc (also per the FA). But don&#8217;t let that stop you, @Art Carnage, since you clearly have an imaginary version of this gadget that you&#8217;re compelled to defend by citing hypothetical science fiction stories, and that moral high ground entitles you to call me &#8220;stupid.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479237</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently RTFA-itis is also in pandemic mode.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479243</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so much hostility! It&#039;s just a blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so much hostility! It&#8217;s just a blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-480781</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am presently a Census address &quot;lister.&quot;
&quot;Enumeration&quot; (collection of demographic info) won&#039;t take place until next Spring.
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I agree pretty much with the Census employees who have commented here but I would like to address some of the points made by non-Census folks.
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The Harris hand-held computer:  I think that the  HHC does its job pretty well.  Occasionally it &quot;hiccups&quot; during use but that is usually resolved by cycling power or doing a manual reset of the unit.  Having used my HHC fulltime for the past four weeks, I think it is a pretty reliable unit.  It has never lost any info.  Is it overpriced?  After a $700 billion bailout, a $787 billion stimulus package, and a $3 trillion increase in the national debt, how can anyone seriously ask this question?
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GPS:  With the built-in GPS, you can move a foot in any direction and you will see a change in the map.  The GPS seems pretty accurate -- I don&#039;t think it has been off by more than 10 feet at any time.
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Maps:  Census mapping details and previously recorded addresses are downloaded to the HHC as needed.  These maps do contain errors:  Bad addresses, misnamed streets, and even street positioning errors.  It is the Census lister&#039;s job to get accurate information which includes correcting all errors in the database.
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Xmit/Recv:  The cell phone link (which I believe is encrypted both ways) takes maybe 30 seconds to upload a day&#039;s worth of addresses and download any messages.
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Security:  The fingerprint scanner (which works reliably for me), the login password, and the two-way data encryption are necessary.  In the address collection process this year, this level of security may seem like overkill.  But next year, people have to trust that the personal information they give to the Census enumerators will remain confidential.  In fact, we hand out a confidentiality notice to each resident who answers his/her door.  As you may know, the decennial Census is mandated by the U.S. Constitution and numerous federal laws.  As Census employees, we are subject to a jail term and/or fine if we reveal any information we have collected during our work.  I take this subject pretty seriously, as I am sure my fellow employees do.     </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am presently a Census address &#8220;lister.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Enumeration&#8221; (collection of demographic info) won&#8217;t take place until next Spring.<br />
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I agree pretty much with the Census employees who have commented here but I would like to address some of the points made by non-Census folks.<br />
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The Harris hand-held computer:  I think that the  HHC does its job pretty well.  Occasionally it &#8220;hiccups&#8221; during use but that is usually resolved by cycling power or doing a manual reset of the unit.  Having used my HHC fulltime for the past four weeks, I think it is a pretty reliable unit.  It has never lost any info.  Is it overpriced?  After a $700 billion bailout, a $787 billion stimulus package, and a $3 trillion increase in the national debt, how can anyone seriously ask this question?<br />
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GPS:  With the built-in GPS, you can move a foot in any direction and you will see a change in the map.  The GPS seems pretty accurate &#8212; I don&#8217;t think it has been off by more than 10 feet at any time.<br />
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Maps:  Census mapping details and previously recorded addresses are downloaded to the HHC as needed.  These maps do contain errors:  Bad addresses, misnamed streets, and even street positioning errors.  It is the Census lister&#8217;s job to get accurate information which includes correcting all errors in the database.<br />
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Xmit/Recv:  The cell phone link (which I believe is encrypted both ways) takes maybe 30 seconds to upload a day&#8217;s worth of addresses and download any messages.<br />
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Security:  The fingerprint scanner (which works reliably for me), the login password, and the two-way data encryption are necessary.  In the address collection process this year, this level of security may seem like overkill.  But next year, people have to trust that the personal information they give to the Census enumerators will remain confidential.  In fact, we hand out a confidentiality notice to each resident who answers his/her door.  As you may know, the decennial Census is mandated by the U.S. Constitution and numerous federal laws.  As Census employees, we are subject to a jail term and/or fine if we reveal any information we have collected during our work.  I take this subject pretty seriously, as I am sure my fellow employees do.     </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-493583</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m cool with the rapturists.

I always tell them that my handheld is scanning for unregistered firearms.</description>
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<p>I always tell them that my handheld is scanning for unregistered firearms.</p>
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		<title>By: jmendonsa</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479251</link>
		<dc:creator>jmendonsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, would it be possible to, say, challenge someone to write an iPhone app that does this with Google Maps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, would it be possible to, say, challenge someone to write an iPhone app that does this with Google Maps?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479253</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me for my noobness, but what part of this device requires dedicated, customized hardware?  Why couldn&#039;t they use Windows Mobile/Palm/iPhone/TabletPC, written some custom software, and spent a chunk of change on giving everyone wireless data to upload data in real time.  No security issues because nothing is stored on the device (for long), built on proven technology, and doesn&#039;t cost an arm and a leg.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me for my noobness, but what part of this device requires dedicated, customized hardware?  Why couldn&#8217;t they use Windows Mobile/Palm/iPhone/TabletPC, written some custom software, and spent a chunk of change on giving everyone wireless data to upload data in real time.  No security issues because nothing is stored on the device (for long), built on proven technology, and doesn&#8217;t cost an arm and a leg.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479772</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, a friend working for the census confirms they&#039;re pretty much doorstops.  

She told me last night that users must have two different fingerprints recognized by the system, so they can still get into the unit in case one of their fingers get chopped off.  Ugh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, a friend working for the census confirms they&#8217;re pretty much doorstops.  </p>
<p>She told me last night that users must have two different fingerprints recognized by the system, so they can still get into the unit in case one of their fingers get chopped off.  Ugh!</p>
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		<title>By: Brettspiel</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-481052</link>
		<dc:creator>Brettspiel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;giant, clunky, dysfunctional&quot;

Only one of these words is pertinent to the performance of the tool, and judging by comments from actual users of the device, not entirely accurate. The rest are hyperbole or subjective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;giant, clunky, dysfunctional&#8221;</p>
<p>Only one of these words is pertinent to the performance of the tool, and judging by comments from actual users of the device, not entirely accurate. The rest are hyperbole or subjective.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479775</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently a QC Enumerator (read: census worker), and to be perfectly honest, I have not experienced a single problem with my handheld.  The maps (guess what) are only as accurate as they have been entered by previous census employees.  It is the fault of the employee if the roads are entered incorrectly, not the fault of the GPS.  In fact, part of what I get paid $17.50 to do is to correct dated or incorrect information.    We don&#039;t get to keep the handhelds at the end.  They are not designed to be a workers new toy or to make you feel hip and stylin&#039;; they are for entering information, and so far as my experience goes, they do that job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently a QC Enumerator (read: census worker), and to be perfectly honest, I have not experienced a single problem with my handheld.  The maps (guess what) are only as accurate as they have been entered by previous census employees.  It is the fault of the employee if the roads are entered incorrectly, not the fault of the GPS.  In fact, part of what I get paid $17.50 to do is to correct dated or incorrect information.    We don&#8217;t get to keep the handhelds at the end.  They are not designed to be a workers new toy or to make you feel hip and stylin&#8217;; they are for entering information, and so far as my experience goes, they do that job.</p>
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		<title>By: Cadin</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479520</link>
		<dc:creator>Cadin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was a census enumerator in 98. They just gave us big books of bad, inaccurate paper maps.</description>
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		<title>By: Harrkev</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479522</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrkev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am getting a kick out of this, because I used to work for Harris, and am still friends with one of the higher-ups who *used* to work on this thing.

This project started years ago, before you could get a PDA with a GPS built-in.  The government does NOT want to take a &quot;the consumer market will built just what we need when we need it&quot; approach.  If the technology is not off-the-shelf (and it wasn&#039;t at the time), they will build it.

Also keep in mind that it is just not about providing a solution.  I do not know the details about this device in particular, but governments run on paperwork.  There were specifications that Harris had to meet.  I would not be surprised if the specifications changed on a weekly basis.  This thing probably had to be waterproof, drop-proof, and secure.

Hind-sight is always 20/20.  It is easy to say now that the iPhone is out and would fit the needs perfectly, but who knew exactly what an iPhone was four years ago?  They also started coding this years ago.  Which language do they use?  C++?  Won&#039;t work on an iPhone.  If they pick a language, they have to stick to it, or go through the pain of porting.  Same for the OS on the phone.  Who could predict exactly what the software environment would look like in three years?  If you make your own, you have control over these types of things.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am getting a kick out of this, because I used to work for Harris, and am still friends with one of the higher-ups who *used* to work on this thing.</p>
<p>This project started years ago, before you could get a PDA with a GPS built-in.  The government does NOT want to take a &#8220;the consumer market will built just what we need when we need it&#8221; approach.  If the technology is not off-the-shelf (and it wasn&#8217;t at the time), they will build it.</p>
<p>Also keep in mind that it is just not about providing a solution.  I do not know the details about this device in particular, but governments run on paperwork.  There were specifications that Harris had to meet.  I would not be surprised if the specifications changed on a weekly basis.  This thing probably had to be waterproof, drop-proof, and secure.</p>
<p>Hind-sight is always 20/20.  It is easy to say now that the iPhone is out and would fit the needs perfectly, but who knew exactly what an iPhone was four years ago?  They also started coding this years ago.  Which language do they use?  C++?  Won&#8217;t work on an iPhone.  If they pick a language, they have to stick to it, or go through the pain of porting.  Same for the OS on the phone.  Who could predict exactly what the software environment would look like in three years?  If you make your own, you have control over these types of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrkev</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479525</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrkev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.  I forgot to mention.  The fingerprint reader was probably a &quot;shall&quot; line in the specifications.  Since it is not likely that any existing device would have one built-in, they HAD to build their own, or they did not meet all of the requirements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh.  I forgot to mention.  The fingerprint reader was probably a &#8220;shall&#8221; line in the specifications.  Since it is not likely that any existing device would have one built-in, they HAD to build their own, or they did not meet all of the requirements.</p>
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		<title>By: Modusoperandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Modusoperandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art Carnage, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Guess who won the war?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Halliburton?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Carnage, <i>&#8220;Guess who won the war?&#8221;</i><br />
Halliburton?</p>
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		<title>By: liatach</title>
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		<dc:creator>liatach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ MODUSOPERANDI
/Win


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ MODUSOPERANDI<br />
/Win</p>
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		<title>By: Bungo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bungo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sam - You&#039;ve got it all wrong. This &lt;b&gt;must&lt;/b&gt; be secure because it&#039;s going to have the same information on it that would be on a pile of paper otherwise. 

Any government contractor will want a good excuse for price gouging - so expensive solutions mean complex things that break all the time (those helpdesk calls are a source of income for someone). 

Actually having it being a better solution than a paper map and a clipboard probably wasn&#039;t part of the tender, and probably wasn&#039;t evaluated by anyone competent.

@Monopole - if this did what it was supposed to do, and was half as robust as the FedEx doodads, my guess is that most BBers would be saying WANT! (the rest would need a steam gauge added).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sam &#8211; You&#8217;ve got it all wrong. This <b>must</b> be secure because it&#8217;s going to have the same information on it that would be on a pile of paper otherwise. </p>
<p>Any government contractor will want a good excuse for price gouging &#8211; so expensive solutions mean complex things that break all the time (those helpdesk calls are a source of income for someone). </p>
<p>Actually having it being a better solution than a paper map and a clipboard probably wasn&#8217;t part of the tender, and probably wasn&#8217;t evaluated by anyone competent.</p>
<p>@Monopole &#8211; if this did what it was supposed to do, and was half as robust as the FedEx doodads, my guess is that most BBers would be saying WANT! (the rest would need a steam gauge added).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#56 poster.  The system &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; work.  And the Census Bureau lets lucrative contracts for consulting to MITRE, Booze Allen Hamilton, etc, to help with oversight of contractors, so maybe you should pursue some of those.  Even those consulting giants do not take on projects like the Field Data Collection Automation program--but maybe you could handle it.  Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#56 poster.  The system <i>does</i> work.  And the Census Bureau lets lucrative contracts for consulting to MITRE, Booze Allen Hamilton, etc, to help with oversight of contractors, so maybe you should pursue some of those.  Even those consulting giants do not take on projects like the Field Data Collection Automation program&#8211;but maybe you could handle it.  Right.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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		<description>I too was a crew leader this past spring and agree with the shrink-wrap analysis put forth by #72. It was a fairly easy way to get my chunk of stimulus $ however. Quite typical of big corp crash programs...most management people playing the blame game and more interested in covering their tails than actually maintaining integrity of the job at hand. 

HHC?  The hand strap was a nice touch.  My crew lost two of these $1000 units by using them to break a fall while clumping around in the wilderness.  Well, they did save a scraped up hand.

I haven&#039;t researched how address canvassing was achieved 10 years ago, so don&#039;t know if the HHC made things easier or not.  There were problems other than the HHC of course, but the job was completed ahead of schedule.  Most of the field problems were solved by the enumerators themselves with good ole yankee ingenuity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too was a crew leader this past spring and agree with the shrink-wrap analysis put forth by #72. It was a fairly easy way to get my chunk of stimulus $ however. Quite typical of big corp crash programs&#8230;most management people playing the blame game and more interested in covering their tails than actually maintaining integrity of the job at hand. </p>
<p>HHC?  The hand strap was a nice touch.  My crew lost two of these $1000 units by using them to break a fall while clumping around in the wilderness.  Well, they did save a scraped up hand.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t researched how address canvassing was achieved 10 years ago, so don&#8217;t know if the HHC made things easier or not.  There were problems other than the HHC of course, but the job was completed ahead of schedule.  Most of the field problems were solved by the enumerators themselves with good ole yankee ingenuity.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story you had in mind was A C Clarke, &quot;Superiority.&quot; It was inspired by the German V2 and jet development programs (also Clarke worked on the Allied radar program, and was a member of the British Interplanetary Society, not to mention being the first person to propose communication satellites after the war, so it&#039;s not like he was a Luddite).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story you had in mind was A C Clarke, &#8220;Superiority.&#8221; It was inspired by the German V2 and jet development programs (also Clarke worked on the Allied radar program, and was a member of the British Interplanetary Society, not to mention being the first person to propose communication satellites after the war, so it&#8217;s not like he was a Luddite).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To # 63:

The HHC will not be reused next year for enumeration. The sole purpose of the HHC is to canvass addresses. The actual counting would be paper based.</description>
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<p>The HHC will not be reused next year for enumeration. The sole purpose of the HHC is to canvass addresses. The actual counting would be paper based.</p>
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		<title>By: mwiik</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479555</link>
		<dc:creator>mwiik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s crappy so it wouldn&#039;t be stolen, err I mean lost. Give out tens of thousands of iPhones to people, how many would come back?
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479566</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure the solution to the Census problem will come from the private sector.  I will be skeptical if the population of the U.S. comes out to be exactly equal to the number of Wal*Mart shoppers, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure the solution to the Census problem will come from the private sector.  I will be skeptical if the population of the U.S. comes out to be exactly equal to the number of Wal*Mart shoppers, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479822</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon people, even shiny new GPS&#039;s constantly tell people to drive into cliffs, ditches, and rivers, and even misdirect them away from thoroughfares! (Ask your friendly neighbourhood trucker)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon people, even shiny new GPS&#8217;s constantly tell people to drive into cliffs, ditches, and rivers, and even misdirect them away from thoroughfares! (Ask your friendly neighbourhood trucker)</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479567</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20: The fingerprint reader isn&#039;t &quot;unnecessary&quot;. It&#039;s essential to protect confidentiality, without which nobody would cooperate with the census at all.</description>
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		<title>By: toyg</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479321</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam @11: the process started in 2001, well before the iPhone, GoogleMaps and all sorts of fantastic new tech that today we take for granted came to be. 
Today, you and me could probably develop something new, from scratch, using some chinese iPhone-knockoff, googlemaps and Django/Rails, in a month and for less than $1000... but you can&#039;t expect your government to wait &quot;a few years&quot; for new technology before they start pushing out tenders.

The real shame here is Harris taking so many years to build such a crap device. But hey, from Halliburton-style companies I don&#039;t expect anything better -- they don&#039;t really care about satisfying the customer, as competition in the sector is ridiculously small anyway, the only thing that matters is getting as much taxpayer money as possible in the less accountable way as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam @11: the process started in 2001, well before the iPhone, GoogleMaps and all sorts of fantastic new tech that today we take for granted came to be.<br />
Today, you and me could probably develop something new, from scratch, using some chinese iPhone-knockoff, googlemaps and Django/Rails, in a month and for less than $1000&#8230; but you can&#8217;t expect your government to wait &#8220;a few years&#8221; for new technology before they start pushing out tenders.</p>
<p>The real shame here is Harris taking so many years to build such a crap device. But hey, from Halliburton-style companies I don&#8217;t expect anything better &#8212; they don&#8217;t really care about satisfying the customer, as competition in the sector is ridiculously small anyway, the only thing that matters is getting as much taxpayer money as possible in the less accountable way as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-480863</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Continuation of #62)
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The HHCs will be reused next yaar.  I don&#039;t expect any hardware changes since the hardware works well (IMHO).  I expect that the HHCs will &quot;earn their stripes&quot; during the enumeration next year.  The Census Bureau will just replace the address canvassing software with enumeration software and train the Census takers to use it.  
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Ease of use: The HHC&#039;s elastic strap on the back  holds it comfortably to the user&#039;s hand.  Pretty slick idea.  Like any PDA, the user enters info via a stylus on the touchscreen.  This method seems a lot better than previous paper methods.  I expect that the enumeration next year will be quicker and more accurate using this Census&#039;s approach than it has been previously.
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Security in the 2010 Census:  From the enumerator&#039;s point of view, much better than in the past.  In the past, some thief could have swiped complete enumeration forms.  Even if today&#039;s bad guy has the HHC, he/she will have a heckuva time getting information out of the unit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Continuation of #62)<br />
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The HHCs will be reused next yaar.  I don&#8217;t expect any hardware changes since the hardware works well (IMHO).  I expect that the HHCs will &#8220;earn their stripes&#8221; during the enumeration next year.  The Census Bureau will just replace the address canvassing software with enumeration software and train the Census takers to use it.<br />
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Ease of use: The HHC&#8217;s elastic strap on the back  holds it comfortably to the user&#8217;s hand.  Pretty slick idea.  Like any PDA, the user enters info via a stylus on the touchscreen.  This method seems a lot better than previous paper methods.  I expect that the enumeration next year will be quicker and more accurate using this Census&#8217;s approach than it has been previously.<br />
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Security in the 2010 Census:  From the enumerator&#8217;s point of view, much better than in the past.  In the past, some thief could have swiped complete enumeration forms.  Even if today&#8217;s bad guy has the HHC, he/she will have a heckuva time getting information out of the unit.</p>
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		<title>By: minamisan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479334</link>
		<dc:creator>minamisan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@2:
&lt;i&gt;Guess who won the war?&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not sure who won in your story, but in a real life battle I&#039;d put my money on the side with the better tech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@2:<br />
<i>Guess who won the war?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure who won in your story, but in a real life battle I&#8217;d put my money on the side with the better tech.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/04/29/chunky-crapgadget-us.html#comment-479855</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, the handheld computers did not cost $600M.  That cost includes 2 Data Processing Centers with full redundancy, several Test and Integration processing centers, a Network Operations Center to monitor the entire system of systems, a Security Operations Center also monitoring the entire system, an Asset Management System tracking hundreds of thousands of assets down to the person issued the device, a Help Desk for hundreds of thousands of users, Training for those users, external interfaces to 15 very large existing Census Bureau systems (all of which are unique), full compliance with NIST/Department of Commerce/Census Bureau Information System Security requirements (including 2-factor identity verification-hence the fingerprint reader), cellular and wired telecom networks,just to name a partial list.

Second, the problems with the long transmission times referred to in #20 has been fixed.  It was not inherent to the hand held computers; it resulted from problems synchronizing the databases in the fielded handhelds to the servers in the Data Processing Center.

Third, the Census Bureau is way ahead of schedule on the Address Canvassing operation.  They expected to be able to canvass 1.5 million addresses a day, but have achieved 9 million.

Fourth,  the maps are provided by the Government.  The handhelds can only display the maps provided.  The handheld apps do allow the canvassers to add/delete houses/streets/neighborhoods accurately using the GPS capability and a simple touchscreen operation.

Finally, the Census is far more than counting the people in households.  When you get your Census form to fill out, you will be surprised how long the form is.  The canvassers also have to count people in jails, retirement homes, homeless communities in the woods, etc.

What the handheld looks like is absolutely meaningless in a project of this size.  Tell us again how two hacks could put this system together in 6 months.

An informed reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, the handheld computers did not cost $600M.  That cost includes 2 Data Processing Centers with full redundancy, several Test and Integration processing centers, a Network Operations Center to monitor the entire system of systems, a Security Operations Center also monitoring the entire system, an Asset Management System tracking hundreds of thousands of assets down to the person issued the device, a Help Desk for hundreds of thousands of users, Training for those users, external interfaces to 15 very large existing Census Bureau systems (all of which are unique), full compliance with NIST/Department of Commerce/Census Bureau Information System Security requirements (including 2-factor identity verification-hence the fingerprint reader), cellular and wired telecom networks,just to name a partial list.</p>
<p>Second, the problems with the long transmission times referred to in #20 has been fixed.  It was not inherent to the hand held computers; it resulted from problems synchronizing the databases in the fielded handhelds to the servers in the Data Processing Center.</p>
<p>Third, the Census Bureau is way ahead of schedule on the Address Canvassing operation.  They expected to be able to canvass 1.5 million addresses a day, but have achieved 9 million.</p>
<p>Fourth,  the maps are provided by the Government.  The handhelds can only display the maps provided.  The handheld apps do allow the canvassers to add/delete houses/streets/neighborhoods accurately using the GPS capability and a simple touchscreen operation.</p>
<p>Finally, the Census is far more than counting the people in households.  When you get your Census form to fill out, you will be surprised how long the form is.  The canvassers also have to count people in jails, retirement homes, homeless communities in the woods, etc.</p>
<p>What the handheld looks like is absolutely meaningless in a project of this size.  Tell us again how two hacks could put this system together in 6 months.</p>
<p>An informed reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also a QC Enumerator.

The main problem I have with the HHC could be fixed very easily. I work in a rural state and deal with AAs (Assigned Areas) that are sometimes upwards of 60 square miles with dozens of Census Blocks included in the AA. I start at a specific address that the HHC has selected and either accept or reject what the Address Canvasser has entered and then proceed to check that next address as the original canvasser would have done. Once the HHC tells me that the entire AA has paased quality control check, I have to then go to each block that has duplicates or deletes. The HHC tells me (in text), what blocks need to be checked. The problem is that the blocks on the map are not marked with the block numbers making it hard to find all of the blocks that need checking. You can go to the map and hit an I (Identification button) and tap a block to find the block numbber, but with so many blocks needing checks, this is not a good way to figure out where to start and where to go next. 

Solution: Simply change all the blocks that need to be checked to a different color. This would make it easy to find the blocks and plan an efficient route to do the checks. Adding the block number to the map would be gravy.

Currently, I use Google maps to print out the large AAs, usually in 2 or more sheets. I then use the HHC and fill in block numbers on the paper maps. Clunky, but I think I do a more efficient job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also a QC Enumerator.</p>
<p>The main problem I have with the HHC could be fixed very easily. I work in a rural state and deal with AAs (Assigned Areas) that are sometimes upwards of 60 square miles with dozens of Census Blocks included in the AA. I start at a specific address that the HHC has selected and either accept or reject what the Address Canvasser has entered and then proceed to check that next address as the original canvasser would have done. Once the HHC tells me that the entire AA has paased quality control check, I have to then go to each block that has duplicates or deletes. The HHC tells me (in text), what blocks need to be checked. The problem is that the blocks on the map are not marked with the block numbers making it hard to find all of the blocks that need checking. You can go to the map and hit an I (Identification button) and tap a block to find the block numbber, but with so many blocks needing checks, this is not a good way to figure out where to start and where to go next. </p>
<p>Solution: Simply change all the blocks that need to be checked to a different color. This would make it easy to find the blocks and plan an efficient route to do the checks. Adding the block number to the map would be gravy.</p>
<p>Currently, I use Google maps to print out the large AAs, usually in 2 or more sheets. I then use the HHC and fill in block numbers on the paper maps. Clunky, but I think I do a more efficient job.</p>
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