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	<title>Comments on: 911 police officer refuses to help girl who calls about her dying father because she said the F word before the call was&#160;answered</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-484609</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care how many commendations this officer has.  Commendations mean nothing in the face of actually contributing to the death of an individual.  If he&#039;d had a gun and shot the girl&#039;s father, his commendations wouldn&#039;t be a factor.  He&#039;s lucky the patient survived, but he should lose his job and he should be held personally financially responsible for what I hope will be a huge settlement for this family.  There are few things in life that should be reliable every time it is used, and 911 emergency response is one of those things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care how many commendations this officer has.  Commendations mean nothing in the face of actually contributing to the death of an individual.  If he&#8217;d had a gun and shot the girl&#8217;s father, his commendations wouldn&#8217;t be a factor.  He&#8217;s lucky the patient survived, but he should lose his job and he should be held personally financially responsible for what I hope will be a huge settlement for this family.  There are few things in life that should be reliable every time it is used, and 911 emergency response is one of those things.</p>
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		<title>By: tizroc</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-483330</link>
		<dc:creator>tizroc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RevengeofPomPom,

I thought you could sue for punitive damages if you were falsely arrested. In my quick study on answers.com and subsiquest online law search brought this up.

&quot;...An action can be instituted for the damages ensuing from false arrest, such as loss of salary while imprisoned, or injury to reputation that results in a pecuniary loss to the victim. Ill will and malice are not elements of the tort, but if these factors are proven, punitive damages can be awarded in addition to compensatory damages or nominal damages.&quot;

So it appears you can, however it must be done only after the first factors are met. Please note I am not saying she can in this case, because I am not a lawyer. I am only showing the possibility is there.

Now on the side, and my opinion it would seem that the court and public outcry is the only recourse her family has available. No matter what personal reason the officer had (with that background he must have brought personal issues to work, which is a huge no-no!) his actions could have caused serious issues. He should have faced criminal charges, but he DID end up sending support (so he will get through by the skin of his teeth). It is up to the people of the township to persue the issue to the full authority they have to pressure the department to either fire him, or push him into early retirement. They can hold further tax support and other recourses over the department and force their hands. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RevengeofPomPom,</p>
<p>I thought you could sue for punitive damages if you were falsely arrested. In my quick study on answers.com and subsiquest online law search brought this up.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;An action can be instituted for the damages ensuing from false arrest, such as loss of salary while imprisoned, or injury to reputation that results in a pecuniary loss to the victim. Ill will and malice are not elements of the tort, but if these factors are proven, punitive damages can be awarded in addition to compensatory damages or nominal damages.&#8221;</p>
<p>So it appears you can, however it must be done only after the first factors are met. Please note I am not saying she can in this case, because I am not a lawyer. I am only showing the possibility is there.</p>
<p>Now on the side, and my opinion it would seem that the court and public outcry is the only recourse her family has available. No matter what personal reason the officer had (with that background he must have brought personal issues to work, which is a huge no-no!) his actions could have caused serious issues. He should have faced criminal charges, but he DID end up sending support (so he will get through by the skin of his teeth). It is up to the people of the township to persue the issue to the full authority they have to pressure the department to either fire him, or push him into early retirement. They can hold further tax support and other recourses over the department and force their hands. </p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-483331</link>
		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;She called 911 which in this town is patched into the local police dispatch where Douchey McNegligence was &quot;on duty&quot; or more likely on the can.&lt;/i&gt;

Deejayqueue, are you by chance a Lileks fan?  &quot;Douchey McNegligence&quot; sounds like a nickname for one of the perps in the Lance Lawson mysteries on buzz.mn.

And yes, the cop should have been canned immediately for that little stunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>She called 911 which in this town is patched into the local police dispatch where Douchey McNegligence was &#8220;on duty&#8221; or more likely on the can.</i></p>
<p>Deejayqueue, are you by chance a Lileks fan?  &#8220;Douchey McNegligence&#8221; sounds like a nickname for one of the perps in the Lance Lawson mysteries on buzz.mn.</p>
<p>And yes, the cop should have been canned immediately for that little stunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Lady Strathconn</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-482052</link>
		<dc:creator>Lady Strathconn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the one bright side is that her father didn&#039;t die.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the one bright side is that her father didn&#8217;t die.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-493318</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This event is known as a justifiable outburst. 

This &quot;Officer&quot; for whatever reason no-longer had the ability appropriate the amount of response to the proper incident. That is to, when an officer comes upon an event he immediately begins triage-What needs to be done NOW?- this officer did not do that and especially when dealing with something so critical, you cannot just not take issue with something that irks you.

As to what was going on, he broke. After 30+ years on the force, his mind just couldnt take it anymore. The problem is, 2 weeks wont fix it. When you break, thats about it.

One major flaw here though is that theres seems to have been only one operator. Where were the rest? Any city of any sorts needs at least 2-or more likely 4, unless its the size and technological equivilant of Mayberry-They do still exist and they are that creepy.

Now I dont know enough about it but I&#039;m just guestimating logistics and possibillities. At any rate there should have been someone else in the room.

She cussed, he broke, everybody is still alive.
Watch the father in future. Get the girl a lawyer. Get the officer a pension plan that includes psychiatric. Make the 911 room occupancy minimum 3.

Follow through and get over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This event is known as a justifiable outburst. </p>
<p>This &#8220;Officer&#8221; for whatever reason no-longer had the ability appropriate the amount of response to the proper incident. That is to, when an officer comes upon an event he immediately begins triage-What needs to be done NOW?- this officer did not do that and especially when dealing with something so critical, you cannot just not take issue with something that irks you.</p>
<p>As to what was going on, he broke. After 30+ years on the force, his mind just couldnt take it anymore. The problem is, 2 weeks wont fix it. When you break, thats about it.</p>
<p>One major flaw here though is that theres seems to have been only one operator. Where were the rest? Any city of any sorts needs at least 2-or more likely 4, unless its the size and technological equivilant of Mayberry-They do still exist and they are that creepy.</p>
<p>Now I dont know enough about it but I&#8217;m just guestimating logistics and possibillities. At any rate there should have been someone else in the room.</p>
<p>She cussed, he broke, everybody is still alive.<br />
Watch the father in future. Get the girl a lawyer. Get the officer a pension plan that includes psychiatric. Make the 911 room occupancy minimum 3.</p>
<p>Follow through and get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-484107</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not only should he be fired but he should be charged. 
reckless endangerment sounds about right.
and that&#039;s not even getting into the false arrest. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not only should he be fired but he should be charged.<br />
reckless endangerment sounds about right.<br />
and that&#8217;s not even getting into the false arrest. </p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-483100</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t this the Dave Chappelle joke about &quot;Who calls 911 calm and relaxed?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t this the Dave Chappelle joke about &#8220;Who calls 911 calm and relaxed?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DanC</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-482079</link>
		<dc:creator>DanC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s significant that this was a cop and not an emergency operator. He probably had no real training. No excuse, but still.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s significant that this was a cop and not an emergency operator. He probably had no real training. No excuse, but still.</p>
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		<title>By: vettekaas</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-482081</link>
		<dc:creator>vettekaas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Nixar

&#039;Â«The world is full of idiots, and here we have two of them.Â»

Yeah, there&#039;s nothing here that would excuse that girl from not being completely 100% totally rational. It&#039;s not like she could think her father was dying. Oh wait.&#039;

I believe the reference to the girl being an idiot wasn&#039;t about her conduct during the phone call, but the conduct of her and her family afterwards (asking for $$$).     

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Nixar</p>
<p>&#8216;Â«The world is full of idiots, and here we have two of them.Â»</p>
<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s nothing here that would excuse that girl from not being completely 100% totally rational. It&#8217;s not like she could think her father was dying. Oh wait.&#8217;</p>
<p>I believe the reference to the girl being an idiot wasn&#8217;t about her conduct during the phone call, but the conduct of her and her family afterwards (asking for $$$).     </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-484642</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, I know some professional 911 operators, and ran a non-emergency help desk myself. If I would have hung up on someone distraught even once, I would have been fired on the spot. Here a seizure victim is in distress and possibly dying. How did a 20-year veteran get on this desk? My guess is that when her attorneys do pre-trial discovery, they will find multiple offenses over the years in their personnel folder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, I know some professional 911 operators, and ran a non-emergency help desk myself. If I would have hung up on someone distraught even once, I would have been fired on the spot. Here a seizure victim is in distress and possibly dying. How did a 20-year veteran get on this desk? My guess is that when her attorneys do pre-trial discovery, they will find multiple offenses over the years in their personnel folder.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-483107</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about instead of filthy mouth we say &quot;distraught&quot;. Wouldn&#039;t one think an expletive during a 911 call is a sign of an upset person in need of assistance instead of some haughty, filthy-mouthed girl. To think we put our lives in the hands of such people. 

Don&#039;t worry, the government will save you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about instead of filthy mouth we say &#8220;distraught&#8221;. Wouldn&#8217;t one think an expletive during a 911 call is a sign of an upset person in need of assistance instead of some haughty, filthy-mouthed girl. To think we put our lives in the hands of such people. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry, the government will save you.</p>
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		<title>By: deejayqueue</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-482852</link>
		<dc:creator>deejayqueue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, first and foremost, the news crews got it wrong.

The sound of the phone dialing and the ring tone are inserted sounds.  Unless your phone is 100% tapped and rolling 100% of the time there is simply no way to record a call that hasn&#039;t been placed yet. Listen to the beeps, there are WAY too many to be 9-1-1 and they aren&#039;t even standard touchtone beeps.  

What happened is most likely this:
She called 911 which in this town is patched into the local police dispatch where Douchey McNegligence was &quot;on duty&quot; or more likely on the can.  When nothing happens and nobody picks up she hangs up and calls again.  This time Douchey picks up the phone but she&#039;s distracted for a split second (by her possibly dying father, seizing on the floor) and thinks it&#039;s still ringing.  Maybe he picks up during that pause between rings?  So she&#039;s like &quot;WTF?&quot; only he&#039;s picked up and hears it.  

From there it&#039;s all downhill.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, first and foremost, the news crews got it wrong.</p>
<p>The sound of the phone dialing and the ring tone are inserted sounds.  Unless your phone is 100% tapped and rolling 100% of the time there is simply no way to record a call that hasn&#8217;t been placed yet. Listen to the beeps, there are WAY too many to be 9-1-1 and they aren&#8217;t even standard touchtone beeps.  </p>
<p>What happened is most likely this:<br />
She called 911 which in this town is patched into the local police dispatch where Douchey McNegligence was &#8220;on duty&#8221; or more likely on the can.  When nothing happens and nobody picks up she hangs up and calls again.  This time Douchey picks up the phone but she&#8217;s distracted for a split second (by her possibly dying father, seizing on the floor) and thinks it&#8217;s still ringing.  Maybe he picks up during that pause between rings?  So she&#8217;s like &#8220;WTF?&#8221; only he&#8217;s picked up and hears it.  </p>
<p>From there it&#8217;s all downhill.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-483109</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He only gets suspended?!?!

I work in a call center and in our standard, he won&#039;t be suspended.It doesn&#039;t matter how many awards and commendations he&#039;s received. He&#039;d be fired right on the spot and sued as hell!!! He hung up three times, he interrupted her many times, he quickly denied her an ambulance when HE DIDN&#039;T EVEN ASK WHY SHE&#039;S CALLING OR WHY SHE NEEDS AN AMBULANCE (AND COMMON SENSE, IF PEOPLE SAY THEY NEED AN AMBULANCE, IT ALREADY MEANS IT&#039;S AN EMERGENCY SO HE SHOULD HAVE JUST SKIPPED THE ARGUMENT AND SENT HER AN AMBULANCE), and he even called her A STUPID ASS, A BUFFOON, A FILTHY-MOUTHED GIRL!!! Let&#039;s not forget, she got arrested!!! 

Since he&#039;s a 911 operator, the first thing that he should be well trained at is listening to clues or cues like speed, tone of voice, etc. He should have known how swearing is definitely a clue to how grave the caller&#039;s situation is!!!

He&#039;s lucky her dad didn&#039;t die or else he&#039;s in a even bigger problem!!!

One question though, IS HE THE ONLY OPERATOR THERE?</description>
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<p>I work in a call center and in our standard, he won&#8217;t be suspended.It doesn&#8217;t matter how many awards and commendations he&#8217;s received. He&#8217;d be fired right on the spot and sued as hell!!! He hung up three times, he interrupted her many times, he quickly denied her an ambulance when HE DIDN&#8217;T EVEN ASK WHY SHE&#8217;S CALLING OR WHY SHE NEEDS AN AMBULANCE (AND COMMON SENSE, IF PEOPLE SAY THEY NEED AN AMBULANCE, IT ALREADY MEANS IT&#8217;S AN EMERGENCY SO HE SHOULD HAVE JUST SKIPPED THE ARGUMENT AND SENT HER AN AMBULANCE), and he even called her A STUPID ASS, A BUFFOON, A FILTHY-MOUTHED GIRL!!! Let&#8217;s not forget, she got arrested!!! </p>
<p>Since he&#8217;s a 911 operator, the first thing that he should be well trained at is listening to clues or cues like speed, tone of voice, etc. He should have known how swearing is definitely a clue to how grave the caller&#8217;s situation is!!!</p>
<p>He&#8217;s lucky her dad didn&#8217;t die or else he&#8217;s in a even bigger problem!!!</p>
<p>One question though, IS HE THE ONLY OPERATOR THERE?</p>
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		<title>By: invisibelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>invisibelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if, being near Detroit, this city is a high-crime area? I&#039;ve noticed that most of the complaints I hear about 911 tend to be regarding dispatchers who work in rough parts of town, as if maybe they just get worn down by call volume and the lack of social graces among the folks who call. 

That&#039;s just my theory. I have a friend whose both mother- and father-in-law died when their vehicle sank into a river, because 911 hung up on them multiple times (it apparently sank slowly, which is horrifying), because they weren&#039;t speaking intelligible-enough English. (They were Korean immigrants.) I keep telling myself that it happened because the operators were working in a rough part of town, East Dallas, and had too much to deal with.

Still not that comforting, though. Regardless of stress, desensitization, whatever, 911 operators should not be hanging up on people unless they&#039;re VERY sure it&#039;s a prank call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if, being near Detroit, this city is a high-crime area? I&#8217;ve noticed that most of the complaints I hear about 911 tend to be regarding dispatchers who work in rough parts of town, as if maybe they just get worn down by call volume and the lack of social graces among the folks who call. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s just my theory. I have a friend whose both mother- and father-in-law died when their vehicle sank into a river, because 911 hung up on them multiple times (it apparently sank slowly, which is horrifying), because they weren&#8217;t speaking intelligible-enough English. (They were Korean immigrants.) I keep telling myself that it happened because the operators were working in a rough part of town, East Dallas, and had too much to deal with.</p>
<p>Still not that comforting, though. Regardless of stress, desensitization, whatever, 911 operators should not be hanging up on people unless they&#8217;re VERY sure it&#8217;s a prank call.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-482350</link>
		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Any time spent talking after that is about them getting details to be passed on to the emergency team while they&#039;re in transit, or to give you advice to get you or someone else out of danger. Or just to calm you down.&quot;

Nope, any excuse you give to help them downgrade your emergency will be exploited. Because it saves money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any time spent talking after that is about them getting details to be passed on to the emergency team while they&#8217;re in transit, or to give you advice to get you or someone else out of danger. Or just to calm you down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, any excuse you give to help them downgrade your emergency will be exploited. Because it saves money.</p>
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		<title>By: TJ S</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-481839</link>
		<dc:creator>TJ S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you were to create a list of &quot;appropriate times to swear&quot;, it&#039;s going to contain almost 100% of the things on a list of &quot;times to call 911&quot;. 

That should be one of the first things that Emergency line operators are trained to deal with, and should respond by attempting to calm down the (rightly) stressed person on the other end. (I&#039;m not knocking other 911 operators, and I&#039;ve no doubt that this particular one is just a bad apple.)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were to create a list of &#8220;appropriate times to swear&#8221;, it&#8217;s going to contain almost 100% of the things on a list of &#8220;times to call 911&#8243;. </p>
<p>That should be one of the first things that Emergency line operators are trained to deal with, and should respond by attempting to calm down the (rightly) stressed person on the other end. (I&#8217;m not knocking other 911 operators, and I&#8217;ve no doubt that this particular one is just a bad apple.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ratdog</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-481840</link>
		<dc:creator>Ratdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,

Somebody just got their career ruined.

You would think he would be used to freaked out people swearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,</p>
<p>Somebody just got their career ruined.</p>
<p>You would think he would be used to freaked out people swearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problems with the girl&#039;s actions. She should sue. The cop&#039;s conduct was reprehensible and could easily have cost lives. He&#039;ll be placed on two week upnpaid suspension? Big deal. Whats next, the investigation clearing him of any wrongdoing?
Lawsuits are the public&#039;s only recourse in these situations. Insult to injury; She was falsely arrested. There should be consequences.
Serious ones. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problems with the girl&#8217;s actions. She should sue. The cop&#8217;s conduct was reprehensible and could easily have cost lives. He&#8217;ll be placed on two week upnpaid suspension? Big deal. Whats next, the investigation clearing him of any wrongdoing?<br />
Lawsuits are the public&#8217;s only recourse in these situations. Insult to injury; She was falsely arrested. There should be consequences.<br />
Serious ones. </p>
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		<title>By: editjunk</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-484400</link>
		<dc:creator>editjunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a similar situation in Australia recently where a kid who was lost in the bush had become very disoriented &amp; was unable to articulate his situation effectively to the emergency services operator, who hung up on him several times. The kid died.

On another point, the quality of journalism in that report was excessively low. Is this what passes for reporting these days? That was some skewed &amp; objectionable subjective shit the reporter was coming up with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a similar situation in Australia recently where a kid who was lost in the bush had become very disoriented &#038; was unable to articulate his situation effectively to the emergency services operator, who hung up on him several times. The kid died.</p>
<p>On another point, the quality of journalism in that report was excessively low. Is this what passes for reporting these days? That was some skewed &#038; objectionable subjective shit the reporter was coming up with.</p>
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		<title>By: Tgg161</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-481843</link>
		<dc:creator>Tgg161</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@TJ.  There&#039;s a Venn diagram in there somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TJ.  There&#8217;s a Venn diagram in there somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: madsci</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-482099</link>
		<dc:creator>madsci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#18 - That is most certainly &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; the way to get a speedy, appropriate response from 911.  Do your best to stay calm, explain &lt;i&gt;clearly&lt;/i&gt; what&#039;s going on, and answer their questions.

Most of these people are not idiots like the operator in the story.  I had to call 911 about a week ago when I was in a car accident.  Despite being totally pumped full of adrenaline I managed to get most of the important stuff out - I&#039;vebeeninacaraccidentI&#039;matsantamariawayandhollyoaklaneI&#039;mnothurtbutIcan&#039;tgettotheotherdriver... the operator did an admirable job of sorting all of that out, asked a few other relevant questions, and got help there within a few minutes.

Same story just about every other time; the operator asked for all of the information I should have given in the first place but was too shaken up to think about, e.g., &quot;no, there are no hazmat markings on the overturned truck, looks like a reefer, and it&#039;s not blocking the lane.&quot;

The one exception would be the time I couldn&#039;t get through to 911 for an injury accident that happened right in front of me at the grocery store.  That time I may well have been swearing at the busy signal I kept getting on my phone, and like the caller in the story I&#039;d probably have been swearing if it kept ringing without being picked up.

The real problem that time was that the woman in the gathering crowd (the only other one trying to help) who did get through didn&#039;t communicate clearly that it was an injury accident and we were there for 10 or 15 minutes (a mile from the hospital and about that far from the police station) before a single traffic cop showed up.  Once he got there and called it in properly, a medic unit was there within 3 minutes.  In the meantime I got to put my rusty EMT skills to work assessing the driver who was too drunk to tell if he was seriously hurt, and trying to get the bleeding non-drunk driver to calm down and stay put, while trying to get the owner of the parked car that the drunk guy knocked the other guy into to stop badgering everyone for insurance information.  Good times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#18 &#8211; That is most certainly <i>not</i> the way to get a speedy, appropriate response from 911.  Do your best to stay calm, explain <i>clearly</i> what&#8217;s going on, and answer their questions.</p>
<p>Most of these people are not idiots like the operator in the story.  I had to call 911 about a week ago when I was in a car accident.  Despite being totally pumped full of adrenaline I managed to get most of the important stuff out &#8211; I&#8217;vebeeninacaraccidentI&#8217;matsantamariawayandhollyoaklaneI&#8217;mnothurtbutIcan&#8217;tgettotheotherdriver&#8230; the operator did an admirable job of sorting all of that out, asked a few other relevant questions, and got help there within a few minutes.</p>
<p>Same story just about every other time; the operator asked for all of the information I should have given in the first place but was too shaken up to think about, e.g., &#8220;no, there are no hazmat markings on the overturned truck, looks like a reefer, and it&#8217;s not blocking the lane.&#8221;</p>
<p>The one exception would be the time I couldn&#8217;t get through to 911 for an injury accident that happened right in front of me at the grocery store.  That time I may well have been swearing at the busy signal I kept getting on my phone, and like the caller in the story I&#8217;d probably have been swearing if it kept ringing without being picked up.</p>
<p>The real problem that time was that the woman in the gathering crowd (the only other one trying to help) who did get through didn&#8217;t communicate clearly that it was an injury accident and we were there for 10 or 15 minutes (a mile from the hospital and about that far from the police station) before a single traffic cop showed up.  Once he got there and called it in properly, a medic unit was there within 3 minutes.  In the meantime I got to put my rusty EMT skills to work assessing the driver who was too drunk to tell if he was seriously hurt, and trying to get the bleeding non-drunk driver to calm down and stay put, while trying to get the owner of the parked car that the drunk guy knocked the other guy into to stop badgering everyone for insurance information.  Good times.</p>
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		<title>By: RevengeofPomPom</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-483891</link>
		<dc:creator>RevengeofPomPom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#75, Tizroc,
On the off chance you are still reading this thread and because, as a lawyer, I cannot help myself but clear up people&#039;s misunderstandings about the law:

A person can&#039;t sue a municipality of other government entity for punitive damages, unless there is a statute that expressly allows for it. This rule is laid out in the Supreme Court case City of Newport v. Fact Concerts, Inc., 453 US 247 (1981). So, in other words, there would have to be a Michigan statute that says &quot;a person can recover punitive damages against a city for violations of that person&#039;s rights,&quot; or something to that effect. I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;ve quoted up there, but it&#039;s probably talking about suing the individual officer (i.e., if you sued him and won, he&#039;d pay you out of pocket, not from city funds). Like I said above, a person can sue a municipality or other government entity (like a police department or sheriffs&#039; department) for compensatory, not punative, damages. Without getting way into the details of it, succeeding in even that is usually hard. Typically, you&#039;d have to show that the person at the top had some role in the officer&#039;s misconduct, for example, that they failed to train their police officers, or knew that police officers were doing illegal things and failed to stop them, or had some kind of policy (like, &quot;when you pick up a 911 call, feel free to do whatever you want&quot;). So as a general rule, it&#039;s usually pretty challenging to get the city on the hook for misconduct by any individual officer. 

I&#039;m just speaking totally in generalities here and truly have no opinion as to whether this girl or her family could succeed in a lawsuit. I&#039;m just trying to clear up how damages work. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#75, Tizroc,<br />
On the off chance you are still reading this thread and because, as a lawyer, I cannot help myself but clear up people&#8217;s misunderstandings about the law:</p>
<p>A person can&#8217;t sue a municipality of other government entity for punitive damages, unless there is a statute that expressly allows for it. This rule is laid out in the Supreme Court case City of Newport v. Fact Concerts, Inc., 453 US 247 (1981). So, in other words, there would have to be a Michigan statute that says &#8220;a person can recover punitive damages against a city for violations of that person&#8217;s rights,&#8221; or something to that effect. I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;ve quoted up there, but it&#8217;s probably talking about suing the individual officer (i.e., if you sued him and won, he&#8217;d pay you out of pocket, not from city funds). Like I said above, a person can sue a municipality or other government entity (like a police department or sheriffs&#8217; department) for compensatory, not punative, damages. Without getting way into the details of it, succeeding in even that is usually hard. Typically, you&#8217;d have to show that the person at the top had some role in the officer&#8217;s misconduct, for example, that they failed to train their police officers, or knew that police officers were doing illegal things and failed to stop them, or had some kind of policy (like, &#8220;when you pick up a 911 call, feel free to do whatever you want&#8221;). So as a general rule, it&#8217;s usually pretty challenging to get the city on the hook for misconduct by any individual officer. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just speaking totally in generalities here and truly have no opinion as to whether this girl or her family could succeed in a lawsuit. I&#8217;m just trying to clear up how damages work. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d bet that New York 911 operators will hang up on you if you &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; drop an f-bomb or equivalent.  Because it&#039;s not a real emergency without a few bad words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d bet that New York 911 operators will hang up on you if you <i>don&#8217;t</i> drop an f-bomb or equivalent.  Because it&#8217;s not a real emergency without a few bad words.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy is a complete moron! Who the hell is offended who is offended by someone that was swearing over the fact that her father is having a seizer!  and further more he answers 911 calls he should be able to handle these kind of situations.  And how he is not fired i will never know, whom ever made the decision to only suspend him should be fired along with him.  And further more if he&#039;s SO offended by the fact that she said &quot;fuck&quot; then why did he feel that he had the right to say it to her?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy is a complete moron! Who the hell is offended who is offended by someone that was swearing over the fact that her father is having a seizer!  and further more he answers 911 calls he should be able to handle these kind of situations.  And how he is not fired i will never know, whom ever made the decision to only suspend him should be fired along with him.  And further more if he&#8217;s SO offended by the fact that she said &#8220;fuck&#8221; then why did he feel that he had the right to say it to her?  </p>
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		<title>By: Nelson.C</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/04/911-police-officer-r.html#comment-481848</link>
		<dc:creator>Nelson.C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, fuck, if you can&#039;t swear during an emergency, when can you do it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, fuck, if you can&#8217;t swear during an emergency, when can you do it?</p>
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		<title>By: Bitgod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The operator is a moron.  I deal with people over the phone for a living, and I don&#039;t have a cow if they swear.  The main place to start at is, are they just swearing or swearing at me?  If it&#039;s at me, I&#039;ll give them a warning and if they continue, I&#039;ll disconnect them.  But if it&#039;s just general swearing, I just ignore it unless I think it&#039;s very excessive, then I&#039;ll mention it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The operator is a moron.  I deal with people over the phone for a living, and I don&#8217;t have a cow if they swear.  The main place to start at is, are they just swearing or swearing at me?  If it&#8217;s at me, I&#8217;ll give them a warning and if they continue, I&#8217;ll disconnect them.  But if it&#8217;s just general swearing, I just ignore it unless I think it&#8217;s very excessive, then I&#8217;ll mention it.</p>
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		<title>By: abe lugo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FCC will end up fining her also for transmitting foul language.

But really, sometimes swear words are a &quot;trigger&quot; of sorts to some of the people with imaginary authority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FCC will end up fining her also for transmitting foul language.</p>
<p>But really, sometimes swear words are a &#8220;trigger&#8221; of sorts to some of the people with imaginary authority.</p>
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		<title>By: mgfarrelly</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine had a seizure (no history of them either) while we were in a far suburb. She was driving and I didn&#039;t know the area. I was 21 freaking out after having just grabbed the wheel and shoved her aside to hit the brake.

I called 911 and was swearing and screaming and freaking out. The cop was cool, calm and professional. She stayed on the phone until the ambulance found us and she made sure I was calm too. I swore, ALOT, and before I hung up I apologized. She laughed and said &quot;Hey, that&#039;s why they pay me the big bucks babe. I hope you and your friend are ok.&quot;

That&#039;s how you do it. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine had a seizure (no history of them either) while we were in a far suburb. She was driving and I didn&#8217;t know the area. I was 21 freaking out after having just grabbed the wheel and shoved her aside to hit the brake.</p>
<p>I called 911 and was swearing and screaming and freaking out. The cop was cool, calm and professional. She stayed on the phone until the ambulance found us and she made sure I was calm too. I swore, ALOT, and before I hung up I apologized. She laughed and said &#8220;Hey, that&#8217;s why they pay me the big bucks babe. I hope you and your friend are ok.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s how you do it. </p>
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		<title>By: ZippySpincycle</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unable to watch the video but it appears that the incident occurred last fall: http://www.wxyz.com/content/news/investigators/story/WILSON-Emergency-Aid-Delayed/8UXeuN7eFkytW0KGC5IDKg.cspx  Also, it appears that this is Lincoln Park MICHIGAN, as the TV station is in Detroit.

Absolutely disgusting; so far, haven&#039;t found anty follow-up reporting on the fallout, if any.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unable to watch the video but it appears that the incident occurred last fall: <a href="http://www.wxyz.com/content/news/investigators/story/WILSON-Emergency-Aid-Delayed/8UXeuN7eFkytW0KGC5IDKg.cspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.wxyz.com/content/news/investigators/story/WILSON-Emergency-Aid-Delayed/8UXeuN7eFkytW0KGC5IDKg.cspx</a>  Also, it appears that this is Lincoln Park MICHIGAN, as the TV station is in Detroit.</p>
<p>Absolutely disgusting; so far, haven&#8217;t found anty follow-up reporting on the fallout, if any.</p>
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		<title>By: gredux</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that is actually Lincoln Park,Michigan, downriver of Detroit.

The reporter is Steve Wilson a great investigative reporter that was a thorn in Kwame Kilpatricks side for a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that is actually Lincoln Park,Michigan, downriver of Detroit.</p>
<p>The reporter is Steve Wilson a great investigative reporter that was a thorn in Kwame Kilpatricks side for a long time.</p>
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