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		<title>By: Padraig</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506624</link>
		<dc:creator>Padraig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find this whole discussion weird.

I&#039;ve not been searched at any cinema (don&#039;t know if they can in Australia) and certainly have taken food in.

If a cinema won&#039;t let me take in my own chocolate or water etc then I wouldn&#039;t go. Then again, if they were all like that you&#039;d just have to stop going and/or lobby the cinema in your local area/s.

Strange things going on in the USA.

Anyone able to comment about the UK, Ireland or other European countries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find this whole discussion weird.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not been searched at any cinema (don&#8217;t know if they can in Australia) and certainly have taken food in.</p>
<p>If a cinema won&#8217;t let me take in my own chocolate or water etc then I wouldn&#8217;t go. Then again, if they were all like that you&#8217;d just have to stop going and/or lobby the cinema in your local area/s.</p>
<p>Strange things going on in the USA.</p>
<p>Anyone able to comment about the UK, Ireland or other European countries?</p>
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		<title>By: alisong76</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506369</link>
		<dc:creator>alisong76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian McCloud at 17: An 3 litre orange juice bottle filled with cheap cask wine when I and a friend were 16 or 17. My friend and I were seeing Last of the Mohicans in a cinema that was completely empty except for us two. We got trashed, lol. To this day, it remains the funniest movie I&#039;ve ever seen. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian McCloud at 17: An 3 litre orange juice bottle filled with cheap cask wine when I and a friend were 16 or 17. My friend and I were seeing Last of the Mohicans in a cinema that was completely empty except for us two. We got trashed, lol. To this day, it remains the funniest movie I&#8217;ve ever seen. </p>
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		<title>By: Antinous / Moderator</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506372</link>
		<dc:creator>Antinous / Moderator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And if it is true that theaters sustain themselves on food sales I wonder how this affects other business decisions... &lt;/i&gt;

Why do you think blockbusters are called popcorn movies?

&lt;i&gt;What&#039;s the most absurd food you&#039;ve ever snuck into a theater?&lt;/i&gt;

When I saw Naked Lunch in its first run in San Francisco, it was quite warm in the theater.  Almost everyone had stripped down to their underwear.  And people were passing around big bowls of picnic food, like potato salad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And if it is true that theaters sustain themselves on food sales I wonder how this affects other business decisions&#8230; </i></p>
<p>Why do you think blockbusters are called popcorn movies?</p>
<p><i>What&#8217;s the most absurd food you&#8217;ve ever snuck into a theater?</i></p>
<p>When I saw Naked Lunch in its first run in San Francisco, it was quite warm in the theater.  Almost everyone had stripped down to their underwear.  And people were passing around big bowls of picnic food, like potato salad.</p>
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		<title>By: alisong76</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506373</link>
		<dc:creator>alisong76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 - The fact that the small, indie cinema I used to go to that showed &quot;smaller&quot; movies sold tickets more cheaply than the big cinemas and also sold candy at a reasonable price would seem to support this. 

They were forced to close when, after fifteen years of trading, a council inspection found that one of their firewalls didn&#039;t make the grade. I&#039;m sure the fact that a Westfield was talking about wanting to open in the area and they wanted to put in their own multiplex had NOTHING to do with it at all. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 &#8211; The fact that the small, indie cinema I used to go to that showed &#8220;smaller&#8221; movies sold tickets more cheaply than the big cinemas and also sold candy at a reasonable price would seem to support this. </p>
<p>They were forced to close when, after fifteen years of trading, a council inspection found that one of their firewalls didn&#8217;t make the grade. I&#8217;m sure the fact that a Westfield was talking about wanting to open in the area and they wanted to put in their own multiplex had NOTHING to do with it at all. </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506629</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why fewer people go to the actual movie theaters. When are they going to start with the body cavity searches?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why fewer people go to the actual movie theaters. When are they going to start with the body cavity searches?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian_McLoud</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506377</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian_McLoud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess this is why all the drive-in theaters are gone. Folks won&#039;t submit to a comprehensive vehicle search and, as a result, no concessions profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess this is why all the drive-in theaters are gone. Folks won&#8217;t submit to a comprehensive vehicle search and, as a result, no concessions profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506381</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are they allowing laptops in the theatre? I was just
thinking about how small the working part of my
usb web cam is and how easy it would be to conceal
in a hat. Then again you could probably hide a
regular video camera inside a prosthetic potbelly.
Or you could conceal a decent recording system in a
wheelchair, and if you locked the wheels the chair
could be as steady as a tripod.

I love how reading about this theatre searching
people for cameras has sparked my creativity to
come up with ways to sneak a camera in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are they allowing laptops in the theatre? I was just<br />
thinking about how small the working part of my<br />
usb web cam is and how easy it would be to conceal<br />
in a hat. Then again you could probably hide a<br />
regular video camera inside a prosthetic potbelly.<br />
Or you could conceal a decent recording system in a<br />
wheelchair, and if you locked the wheels the chair<br />
could be as steady as a tripod.</p>
<p>I love how reading about this theatre searching<br />
people for cameras has sparked my creativity to<br />
come up with ways to sneak a camera in.</p>
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		<title>By: arkizzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>arkizzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Padraig, 

Irish and UK cinemas certainly restrict what you can bring in. They occasionally do a casual bag search (as in, &quot;lift the flap, thanks&quot;) but are absolutely within their rights to prevent food and cameras from entering the theatre.

We sneak stuff in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Padraig, </p>
<p>Irish and UK cinemas certainly restrict what you can bring in. They occasionally do a casual bag search (as in, &#8220;lift the flap, thanks&#8221;) but are absolutely within their rights to prevent food and cameras from entering the theatre.</p>
<p>We sneak stuff in.</p>
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		<title>By: dove</title>
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		<dc:creator>dove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@21 - the drive in by my house doesn&#039;t search- at all, actually. it&#039;s business as usual to sneak in anyone over 2 people (no one believes you&#039;d come by yourself), and they don&#039;t look for food or care if you&#039;ve got more people. they also don&#039;t care if you switch screens after the first movie. and if you know the right people, you can even get in free. the logical part of my brain says that it&#039;ll be closed soon, but i certainly hope not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@21 &#8211; the drive in by my house doesn&#8217;t search- at all, actually. it&#8217;s business as usual to sneak in anyone over 2 people (no one believes you&#8217;d come by yourself), and they don&#8217;t look for food or care if you&#8217;ve got more people. they also don&#8217;t care if you switch screens after the first movie. and if you know the right people, you can even get in free. the logical part of my brain says that it&#8217;ll be closed soon, but i certainly hope not.</p>
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		<title>By: adamnvillani</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506390</link>
		<dc:creator>adamnvillani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I guess this is why all the drive-in theaters are gone. Folks won&#039;t submit to a comprehensive vehicle search and, as a result, no concessions profit.&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re joking, right? Drive-ins have been on decline since VCRs became popular in the mid-1980s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I guess this is why all the drive-in theaters are gone. Folks won&#8217;t submit to a comprehensive vehicle search and, as a result, no concessions profit.</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re joking, right? Drive-ins have been on decline since VCRs became popular in the mid-1980s.</p>
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		<title>By: frogmarch</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/05/30/canadian-cinema-fine.html#comment-506647</link>
		<dc:creator>frogmarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Padraig--

I&#039;ve never been searched at a cinema in France. Of course, many cinemas here don&#039;t have concessions at all. I presume this is because the French take both eating and film so seriously that one would not attempt to do both at the same time, lest it lessen one&#039;s appreciation of each. You could certainly sneak food in, but doing so would be considered tacky, which to a Frenchman is greater deterrent than fine or imprisonment.

I&#039;ve also never been &quot;searched&quot; at a cinema in the US. Everyone on this thread referring to sneaking in food simply means sticking it in a pocket or under your jacket where the ticket-taker doesn&#039;t see it. At worst you face an &quot;I&#039;m sorry, sir, no outside food allowed&quot; if you were to accidentally drop your drink bottle in front of cinema staff.

Sporting events are an entirely different matter, however, both in Europe and the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Padraig&#8211;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been searched at a cinema in France. Of course, many cinemas here don&#8217;t have concessions at all. I presume this is because the French take both eating and film so seriously that one would not attempt to do both at the same time, lest it lessen one&#8217;s appreciation of each. You could certainly sneak food in, but doing so would be considered tacky, which to a Frenchman is greater deterrent than fine or imprisonment.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also never been &#8220;searched&#8221; at a cinema in the US. Everyone on this thread referring to sneaking in food simply means sticking it in a pocket or under your jacket where the ticket-taker doesn&#8217;t see it. At worst you face an &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry, sir, no outside food allowed&#8221; if you were to accidentally drop your drink bottle in front of cinema staff.</p>
<p>Sporting events are an entirely different matter, however, both in Europe and the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We just plan our movie outings for the show immediately after lunch (for a weekend matinÃ©e) or immediately after dinner. Then the whole overpriced snack issue is moot because we aren&#039;t hungry anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just plan our movie outings for the show immediately after lunch (for a weekend matinÃ©e) or immediately after dinner. Then the whole overpriced snack issue is moot because we aren&#8217;t hungry anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason concessions are so high priced is that&#039;s the main way the theater itself makes money.  The movie companies get 90% of ticket sales when a movie first opens, and it&#039;s a gradual sliding scale after that.  80-20, 70-30 etc.  If the split was more even to begin with the concessions could go down as well.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason concessions are so high priced is that&#8217;s the main way the theater itself makes money.  The movie companies get 90% of ticket sales when a movie first opens, and it&#8217;s a gradual sliding scale after that.  80-20, 70-30 etc.  If the split was more even to begin with the concessions could go down as well.  </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#13, I respectfully disagree.  Girls are getting their first periods earlier and earlier, and I wouldn&#039;t want to put my 8-year-old on the pill for no medical reason.

But I do see where you&#039;re coming from.  When I was 12 or so and needed sinus surgery, I had to give urine for a pregnancy test- hospital policy for every female over the age of 10.  Very sad.  I also do some fundraising for a pregnancy center in a bad part of town, and the director said the youngest client they&#039;ve had was 13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13, I respectfully disagree.  Girls are getting their first periods earlier and earlier, and I wouldn&#8217;t want to put my 8-year-old on the pill for no medical reason.</p>
<p>But I do see where you&#8217;re coming from.  When I was 12 or so and needed sinus surgery, I had to give urine for a pregnancy test- hospital policy for every female over the age of 10.  Very sad.  I also do some fundraising for a pregnancy center in a bad part of town, and the director said the youngest client they&#8217;ve had was 13.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@17
I remember going to see Spawn with my oldest brother.  We had two bags of burritos from Taco Bell and just walked in without any hassle.  We bought theatre soda though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@17<br />
I remember going to see Spawn with my oldest brother.  We had two bags of burritos from Taco Bell and just walked in without any hassle.  We bought theatre soda though.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work at the front door of a movie theater in the states, and it was rather hilarious how brazen some folks were trying to sneak food and drinks in.  One fellow just brought in a straight up paper lunch bag, immediately informing me we were not allowed to search his bag(even though i never asked to) when I told him no outside food or drink was allowed.  What this individual failed to realize is his fresh from the fridge coke was condensating and essentially was falling out the bottom of his bag and I could see the label and everything.  lawls</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work at the front door of a movie theater in the states, and it was rather hilarious how brazen some folks were trying to sneak food and drinks in.  One fellow just brought in a straight up paper lunch bag, immediately informing me we were not allowed to search his bag(even though i never asked to) when I told him no outside food or drink was allowed.  What this individual failed to realize is his fresh from the fridge coke was condensating and essentially was falling out the bottom of his bag and I could see the label and everything.  lawls</p>
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		<title>By: failix</title>
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		<dc:creator>failix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never been searched at a cinema in Germany, but the food here is very expensive too, and I know they don&#039;t allow any other food than theirs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never been searched at a cinema in Germany, but the food here is very expensive too, and I know they don&#8217;t allow any other food than theirs.</p>
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		<title>By: ral8158</title>
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		<description>Um, since when does taking birth control mean that one is sexually active? Some girls have really heavy periods and need birth control pills to regulate them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, since when does taking birth control mean that one is sexually active? Some girls have really heavy periods and need birth control pills to regulate them. </p>
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		<title>By: gentle_her</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very diturbed about what happened to me last week. After my school day I decided to go to No Frills to pu a few specials they had advertised. I got to the check out and after putting my purchases about $80.00 worth the cashier TOLD me to put my bag on the belt. This was my personal bag which was a recycled bag from Winners which I carry my school things in. I was surprised however I put the bag behind my last purchase. Without my consent she just went ahead and started to search my bag!!! She saw 2 apples in it which I had brought from home for my lunch at school and my school books. She then asked me if they were MY apples .. I was shocked!!!! I said YES!! and I told her I was not happy with this and I left my groceries and walked out. I was stunned and after a few minutes went back in and asked for the Manager. Well according to her it is their right in that store to do random bag checks on whoever they want. She did say the cashier was a nice girl and that maybe she didnt go about it right. She continued to try to calm me down because I was furiuos, embarrased and  disgusted. Even tho I continued to tell her it was wrong what was done she just said well there is a lot of theft and this is their policy. I could understand if someone saw me attempt to steal something but this was not the case. I contacted Loblaws and they also said because No Frills is a Franchise they can do what they want.I am still in disagreement with this!!!! Does anyone know if this was actually illegal? I did tell them I was going to contact a Laywer. Am I wasting my time? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very diturbed about what happened to me last week. After my school day I decided to go to No Frills to pu a few specials they had advertised. I got to the check out and after putting my purchases about $80.00 worth the cashier TOLD me to put my bag on the belt. This was my personal bag which was a recycled bag from Winners which I carry my school things in. I was surprised however I put the bag behind my last purchase. Without my consent she just went ahead and started to search my bag!!! She saw 2 apples in it which I had brought from home for my lunch at school and my school books. She then asked me if they were MY apples .. I was shocked!!!! I said YES!! and I told her I was not happy with this and I left my groceries and walked out. I was stunned and after a few minutes went back in and asked for the Manager. Well according to her it is their right in that store to do random bag checks on whoever they want. She did say the cashier was a nice girl and that maybe she didnt go about it right. She continued to try to calm me down because I was furiuos, embarrased and  disgusted. Even tho I continued to tell her it was wrong what was done she just said well there is a lot of theft and this is their policy. I could understand if someone saw me attempt to steal something but this was not the case. I contacted Loblaws and they also said because No Frills is a Franchise they can do what they want.I am still in disagreement with this!!!! Does anyone know if this was actually illegal? I did tell them I was going to contact a Laywer. Am I wasting my time? </p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
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		<description>@22
give the underpaid projectionist a few bucks and just get a copy.</description>
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give the underpaid projectionist a few bucks and just get a copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Phrosty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phrosty</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;What&#039;s the most absurd food you&#039;ve ever snuck into a theater?&quot;
 
A couple years ago, a few friends and I were bored out of our minds on Thanksgiving afternoon, so we went to see a horror movie (Can&#039;t remember which. Apparently, like most horror movies, the horror wasn&#039;t the content, but the film itself.). I ended up sneaking in a 2-liter Dr. Pepper, a couple Tupperware bowls and some Ziploc bags of hot leftover Thanksgiving food, and miscellaneous utensils inside my hoodie. I immediately regretted my decision when I realized that, once the movie started, I couldn&#039;t see what I was eating. It got a little messy.</description>
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<p>A couple years ago, a few friends and I were bored out of our minds on Thanksgiving afternoon, so we went to see a horror movie (Can&#8217;t remember which. Apparently, like most horror movies, the horror wasn&#8217;t the content, but the film itself.). I ended up sneaking in a 2-liter Dr. Pepper, a couple Tupperware bowls and some Ziploc bags of hot leftover Thanksgiving food, and miscellaneous utensils inside my hoodie. I immediately regretted my decision when I realized that, once the movie started, I couldn&#8217;t see what I was eating. It got a little messy.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Am I the only one who thinks this is the perfect opportunity for an impromptu contest to see who can put the most outrageous thing in a bag and then go to the movies to be deliberately searched?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>&quot;Strange things going on in the USA.&quot;

No, this story took place in Canada.  They&#039;re their own sovereign nation, honestly.  At least the USA hasn&#039;t annexed them to my knowledge, and surely it&#039;d be in the news.

I&#039;ve never had a bag searched at a theater in the US.</description>
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<p>No, this story took place in Canada.  They&#8217;re their own sovereign nation, honestly.  At least the USA hasn&#8217;t annexed them to my knowledge, and surely it&#8217;d be in the news.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had a bag searched at a theater in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>I was asked to be searched yesterday in Washington D.C. at a movie theater I frequent almost weekly.  I refused, returned my ticket, and vowed never to go back.

Saying that I&#039;m pissed beyond belief is an understatement.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was asked to be searched yesterday in Washington D.C. at a movie theater I frequent almost weekly.  I refused, returned my ticket, and vowed never to go back.</p>
<p>Saying that I&#8217;m pissed beyond belief is an understatement.  </p>
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		<title>By: dd528</title>
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		<description>I worked at a large, city centre Odeon cinema in the UK until last year.  Odeon policy (at least where I worked, and they&#039;re all pretty much the same) is to let people bring in their own food, as long as it&#039;s not something hot like pizza or a kebab or whatever.  A lot of people find this surprising because rival chains such as Cineworld, Showcase or AMC don&#039;t let customers bring in their own food.  The rationale at Odeon though, is that the vast majority of people still buy their food in the cinema anyway.  Which they do.

It&#039;s actually very easy to tell where the cinema is going to make money on food and drinks.  I generally found that when I went to clean out a screen on a weekday early afternoon, or for an arthouse film, then there would be mostly empty juice bottles, crisp bags, or sandwich wrappers from food that people had bought themselves in shops nearby.  For basically all other showings (i.e. blockbusters, kids&#039; films, Bollywood films, the many crappy romantic comedies and action films that don&#039;t even do that much business) 99% of the rubbish would be from stuff people had bought on site.  You also find that in these kinds of films, a far greater percentage of the audience will choose to eat during the film (not eating for two hours whilst you&#039;re in the cinema is an option people!)

So people buy food from the cinema anyway.  I think this is for two reasons.  One is convenience.  The other is that people &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; the cinema food experience.  Sure, you can bring your own crisps, but you can&#039;t bring your own hot popcorn, or nachos.  Now, when you work at a cinema, and see the quality of the food, it takes you a while to realise that a lot of people really, genuinely think the food is delicious.  In fact, where I worked we often had to disappoint people who came in off the street &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; to buy a hot dog or some nachos.  You need a ticket to get through to the concession stands, so we had to turn them away.  The mind boggles.

I&#039;ve also worked in a small independent cinema, where I was involved in admin, so I have some appreciation of the economics.  It is very true that, especially with first run films, the cinema makes very little money on ticket sales.  It&#039;s something of a catch-22; new films attract big audiences, but the cinema only gets a tiny share of the profits.  Old films offer a much larger share of the ticket price, but without the benefit of massive, nationwide promotional campaigns, it is a constant struggle to get people to actually come and see the films, even if they&#039;re established classics like The Godfather or Blade Runner.

So yeah, the markup on food and drink is high, and that&#039;s where the cinema makes their money (although adverts help somewhat).  To give you some idea, we used to get an industrial size bag of sweet popcorn (we didn&#039;t pop on site) that was probably enough for about 20 large size popcorns that would be sold to customers.  That large bag cost the cinema about Â£2.50.  Each large popcorn we sold to the customer was Â£4.50.  If you buy a bucket of popcorn in a multiplex cinema, I can almost guarantee that the cinema will have paid more for the bucket that for the popcorn that goes in it.

The same is true of drinks.  The cost to the cinema of the syrup that goes in a large drink (which retails for about Â£3.15) is probably between 10 and 15p.  Each one is worth so little that if you order the wrong drink by mistake, it just gets poured down a sink round the back of the concession stand.  Staff are not allowed to eat or drink any orders that turn out to be mistakes, so a huge amount of perfectly good food and drink gets thrown away every day.  

Obviously, cinemas have huge overheads.  The machinery is extremely expensive.  To run a 15 or 20 screen facility requires a huge number of staff and massive amounts of energy.  In a city centre location, the sheer scale of modern cinemas mean that rent is going to be very high.  Something else that people don&#039;t realise is how low attendances are for most screenings.  A good 50% of my time on a typical weekday shift would be spent literally standing around doing nothing.  Perhaps as much as 75% if it was a Tuesday or Thursday (the quietest days, due to no promotions running), or if the weather was good outside.  Whilst we might easily have 2 or 3000 customers in the cinema on a Friday or Saturday night, on a Tuesday lunchtime, there would typically be fewer than 20 customers in the building.  We wouldn&#039;t even bother showing films on over half the screens until the evening.  For the first three or four hours that the cinema was open, it was typical for there to be more staff than customers in the building. 

But make no mistake, large cinema chains do far better than just breaking even.  If memory serves, in 2007 Odeon made something like Â£30 million in profits.  For independents it&#039;s a different story.  The same is true for old cinemas in major chains that were built when 3 or 4 screens was the norm.  They are often closed down and replaced with 15 screen out of towners.

On the security issue, the law in the UK as was explained to me is that cinema staff have a right to seize any equipment that they see being used to make illegal video or audio recordings anywhere in the cinema, but if this happens, the police must be called immediately, and they take over when they arrive.  They can request to see inside someone&#039;s bag or jacket, if they suspect equipment (or a weapon or a bomb) is being hidden in there, but if the customer says no, all that can then be done is to ask them to leave.  They absolutely &lt;i&gt;do not&lt;/i&gt; have the right to search customers against their will, even if a disclaimer were to be on display at the point of ticket purchase.

People filming cinema showings is a decreasing problem though, because most pirated copies are now made from pre-screener DVDs, or from the digital media that are sent out to cinemas that digitally project films.  Still, in the time I worked at the Odeon, a couple of people were caught in the act, and there were a couple of other suspicious incidents.  Although most customers don&#039;t notice, in most showings, a member of staff will come into the screen at least once every 30 minutes and stand at the side.  This is partly to check that the picture and sound and general atmosphere are ok, but also to cast an eye over the audience and check for any troublemakers.  This is rarely people attempting to film though.  Maybe 25% of the time it&#039;s kids making noise or throwing stuff about.  Less than 1% it&#039;s pirates, and the rest of the time it&#039;s people getting a bit too friendly with each other on the back rows.  I won&#039;t tell you the number of used condoms I found in my spell working there, but suffice to say that it was &lt;i&gt;well&lt;/i&gt; into double figures.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked at a large, city centre Odeon cinema in the UK until last year.  Odeon policy (at least where I worked, and they&#8217;re all pretty much the same) is to let people bring in their own food, as long as it&#8217;s not something hot like pizza or a kebab or whatever.  A lot of people find this surprising because rival chains such as Cineworld, Showcase or AMC don&#8217;t let customers bring in their own food.  The rationale at Odeon though, is that the vast majority of people still buy their food in the cinema anyway.  Which they do.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually very easy to tell where the cinema is going to make money on food and drinks.  I generally found that when I went to clean out a screen on a weekday early afternoon, or for an arthouse film, then there would be mostly empty juice bottles, crisp bags, or sandwich wrappers from food that people had bought themselves in shops nearby.  For basically all other showings (i.e. blockbusters, kids&#8217; films, Bollywood films, the many crappy romantic comedies and action films that don&#8217;t even do that much business) 99% of the rubbish would be from stuff people had bought on site.  You also find that in these kinds of films, a far greater percentage of the audience will choose to eat during the film (not eating for two hours whilst you&#8217;re in the cinema is an option people!)</p>
<p>So people buy food from the cinema anyway.  I think this is for two reasons.  One is convenience.  The other is that people <i>like</i> the cinema food experience.  Sure, you can bring your own crisps, but you can&#8217;t bring your own hot popcorn, or nachos.  Now, when you work at a cinema, and see the quality of the food, it takes you a while to realise that a lot of people really, genuinely think the food is delicious.  In fact, where I worked we often had to disappoint people who came in off the street <i>just</i> to buy a hot dog or some nachos.  You need a ticket to get through to the concession stands, so we had to turn them away.  The mind boggles.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also worked in a small independent cinema, where I was involved in admin, so I have some appreciation of the economics.  It is very true that, especially with first run films, the cinema makes very little money on ticket sales.  It&#8217;s something of a catch-22; new films attract big audiences, but the cinema only gets a tiny share of the profits.  Old films offer a much larger share of the ticket price, but without the benefit of massive, nationwide promotional campaigns, it is a constant struggle to get people to actually come and see the films, even if they&#8217;re established classics like The Godfather or Blade Runner.</p>
<p>So yeah, the markup on food and drink is high, and that&#8217;s where the cinema makes their money (although adverts help somewhat).  To give you some idea, we used to get an industrial size bag of sweet popcorn (we didn&#8217;t pop on site) that was probably enough for about 20 large size popcorns that would be sold to customers.  That large bag cost the cinema about Â£2.50.  Each large popcorn we sold to the customer was Â£4.50.  If you buy a bucket of popcorn in a multiplex cinema, I can almost guarantee that the cinema will have paid more for the bucket that for the popcorn that goes in it.</p>
<p>The same is true of drinks.  The cost to the cinema of the syrup that goes in a large drink (which retails for about Â£3.15) is probably between 10 and 15p.  Each one is worth so little that if you order the wrong drink by mistake, it just gets poured down a sink round the back of the concession stand.  Staff are not allowed to eat or drink any orders that turn out to be mistakes, so a huge amount of perfectly good food and drink gets thrown away every day.  </p>
<p>Obviously, cinemas have huge overheads.  The machinery is extremely expensive.  To run a 15 or 20 screen facility requires a huge number of staff and massive amounts of energy.  In a city centre location, the sheer scale of modern cinemas mean that rent is going to be very high.  Something else that people don&#8217;t realise is how low attendances are for most screenings.  A good 50% of my time on a typical weekday shift would be spent literally standing around doing nothing.  Perhaps as much as 75% if it was a Tuesday or Thursday (the quietest days, due to no promotions running), or if the weather was good outside.  Whilst we might easily have 2 or 3000 customers in the cinema on a Friday or Saturday night, on a Tuesday lunchtime, there would typically be fewer than 20 customers in the building.  We wouldn&#8217;t even bother showing films on over half the screens until the evening.  For the first three or four hours that the cinema was open, it was typical for there to be more staff than customers in the building. </p>
<p>But make no mistake, large cinema chains do far better than just breaking even.  If memory serves, in 2007 Odeon made something like Â£30 million in profits.  For independents it&#8217;s a different story.  The same is true for old cinemas in major chains that were built when 3 or 4 screens was the norm.  They are often closed down and replaced with 15 screen out of towners.</p>
<p>On the security issue, the law in the UK as was explained to me is that cinema staff have a right to seize any equipment that they see being used to make illegal video or audio recordings anywhere in the cinema, but if this happens, the police must be called immediately, and they take over when they arrive.  They can request to see inside someone&#8217;s bag or jacket, if they suspect equipment (or a weapon or a bomb) is being hidden in there, but if the customer says no, all that can then be done is to ask them to leave.  They absolutely <i>do not</i> have the right to search customers against their will, even if a disclaimer were to be on display at the point of ticket purchase.</p>
<p>People filming cinema showings is a decreasing problem though, because most pirated copies are now made from pre-screener DVDs, or from the digital media that are sent out to cinemas that digitally project films.  Still, in the time I worked at the Odeon, a couple of people were caught in the act, and there were a couple of other suspicious incidents.  Although most customers don&#8217;t notice, in most showings, a member of staff will come into the screen at least once every 30 minutes and stand at the side.  This is partly to check that the picture and sound and general atmosphere are ok, but also to cast an eye over the audience and check for any troublemakers.  This is rarely people attempting to film though.  Maybe 25% of the time it&#8217;s kids making noise or throwing stuff about.  Less than 1% it&#8217;s pirates, and the rest of the time it&#8217;s people getting a bit too friendly with each other on the back rows.  I won&#8217;t tell you the number of used condoms I found in my spell working there, but suffice to say that it was <i>well</i> into double figures.</p>
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		<title>By: belldl</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17:  A six pack of Mickey&#039;s Big Mouth, in pockets and coat sleeves, Star Trek VI.  A damned fine movie.  Only problem was when I accidentally kicked an empty and it rolled down about 10 rows.  Other people looked around, but that was all.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>@17 Acid</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<description>Sooo, I actually work at Guzzo, and know what the rules and everything are. So, for people getting searched, it&#039;s not technically a breach of somebody&#039;s privacy because the security guard asks the client, themselves,  to open their bags (not purses, just overly large bags) and if there happens to be food that was bought elsewhere, we tell them to either leave it in the car, or leave it at the cash to be picked up later. There are some security guards who, in my opinion, are idiots and actually put their hands in the customer&#039;s bags, but, they don&#039;t last long, at all. But them checking for food is just a secondary priorty, their main priority to check for cameras, trust me, I know, I watch them do it. But anyways, the main business is to sell tickets AND food, so it would totally defeat the purpose if we let in people who bought food elsewhere. Or at least, it would defeat half the purpose.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooo, I actually work at Guzzo, and know what the rules and everything are. So, for people getting searched, it&#8217;s not technically a breach of somebody&#8217;s privacy because the security guard asks the client, themselves,  to open their bags (not purses, just overly large bags) and if there happens to be food that was bought elsewhere, we tell them to either leave it in the car, or leave it at the cash to be picked up later. There are some security guards who, in my opinion, are idiots and actually put their hands in the customer&#8217;s bags, but, they don&#8217;t last long, at all. But them checking for food is just a secondary priorty, their main priority to check for cameras, trust me, I know, I watch them do it. But anyways, the main business is to sell tickets AND food, so it would totally defeat the purpose if we let in people who bought food elsewhere. Or at least, it would defeat half the purpose.  </p>
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		<title>By: orangebag</title>
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		<description>#54 +1 informative!! thx dd5528!!</description>
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		<title>By: Tzctlp</title>
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		<description>I would refuse to go to a cinema were I was searched.

Enough is enough, it is a shame that people in other places put up with this nonsense.</description>
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<p>Enough is enough, it is a shame that people in other places put up with this nonsense.</p>
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