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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514816</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2

I suppose that counterfeiters could do that, however if mPedigree is smart, their system will recognize when the exact same code is being verified by different people. The system could then remove that code from the certified database.</description>
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<p>I suppose that counterfeiters could do that, however if mPedigree is smart, their system will recognize when the exact same code is being verified by different people. The system could then remove that code from the certified database.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514337</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I to understand that these fake drugs are not cheaper &#039;generic&#039; or reverse-engineered equivalents or synthetics, but unrelated random ingredients?

I would be concerned if this database contained only patented versions of medicines, and not also their generic or synthetic equivalent. In that case, it would seem to be a propaganda tool from Big Pharma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I to understand that these fake drugs are not cheaper &#8216;generic&#8217; or reverse-engineered equivalents or synthetics, but unrelated random ingredients?</p>
<p>I would be concerned if this database contained only patented versions of medicines, and not also their generic or synthetic equivalent. In that case, it would seem to be a propaganda tool from Big Pharma.</p>
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		<title>By: zuzu</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514338</link>
		<dc:creator>zuzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Also implement life sentences for drug counterfeiters.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unless there was a political motive by China to defame India, if and when the drug counterfeiters are caught in China, they&#039;ll be swiftly executed, just as the producers of products tainted with melamine and diethylene glycol were.

In China, corporatism is Serious Business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also implement life sentences for drug counterfeiters.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unless there was a political motive by China to defame India, if and when the drug counterfeiters are caught in China, they&#8217;ll be swiftly executed, just as the producers of products tainted with melamine and diethylene glycol were.</p>
<p>In China, corporatism is Serious Business.</p>
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		<title>By: GuidoDavid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514123</link>
		<dc:creator>GuidoDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is Technoliberation!
Bottom-up approaches rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is Technoliberation!<br />
Bottom-up approaches rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514129</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if I&#039;m a drug counterfeiter, what&#039;s to stop me getting my hands on a small sample of legitimate coded labels, then just printing those same numbers on my fakes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if I&#8217;m a drug counterfeiter, what&#8217;s to stop me getting my hands on a small sample of legitimate coded labels, then just printing those same numbers on my fakes?</p>
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		<title>By: WalterBillington</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514131</link>
		<dc:creator>WalterBillington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes!</p>
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		<title>By: phisrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>phisrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@#1: I agree that this is a clever mechanism, and likely will fill an important need; but how exactly is it &quot;bottom-up&quot;? 
mPedigree maintains a database, and prints unique code labels(luckily, nobody would ever skim the labels off a cheap drug and affix them to fakes of something much more expensive, that would be wrong and impossible) and the manufacturer applies them. The end user can query the database by phone.

It is an efficient, quick top-down solution; but it is totally top-down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#1: I agree that this is a clever mechanism, and likely will fill an important need; but how exactly is it &#8220;bottom-up&#8221;?<br />
mPedigree maintains a database, and prints unique code labels(luckily, nobody would ever skim the labels off a cheap drug and affix them to fakes of something much more expensive, that would be wrong and impossible) and the manufacturer applies them. The end user can query the database by phone.</p>
<p>It is an efficient, quick top-down solution; but it is totally top-down.</p>
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		<title>By: The Life Of Bryan</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514142</link>
		<dc:creator>The Life Of Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be more cost effective to simply teach people what oregano smells like?

Oh, wait, what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be more cost effective to simply teach people what oregano smells like?</p>
<p>Oh, wait, what?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there&#039;s a you tube video showing how mpedigree works:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfX9nhVEfnY  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there&#8217;s a you tube video showing how mpedigree works:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfX9nhVEfnY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfX9nhVEfnY</a>  </p>
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		<title>By: Shabbir</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514168</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabbir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>huh, two counterfeit drug stories on boingboing in 24 hours. It&#039;s like you know what I do for a living!

One of the nonprofits I work for writes up and archives just a few of the incidents that are really noteworthy at:
http://www.safemedicines.org/counterfeit-drug-incident-encyclopedia.html

The problem is very widespread in the whole world though.  We&#039;re very protected from it in the US, but elsewhere, people die, regularly, from counterfeits either because they don&#039;t do the job they need to do, or because they&#039;re actually made with harmful ingredients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh, two counterfeit drug stories on boingboing in 24 hours. It&#8217;s like you know what I do for a living!</p>
<p>One of the nonprofits I work for writes up and archives just a few of the incidents that are really noteworthy at:<br />
<a href="http://www.safemedicines.org/counterfeit-drug-incident-encyclopedia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.safemedicines.org/counterfeit-drug-incident-encyclopedia.html</a></p>
<p>The problem is very widespread in the whole world though.  We&#8217;re very protected from it in the US, but elsewhere, people die, regularly, from counterfeits either because they don&#8217;t do the job they need to do, or because they&#8217;re actually made with harmful ingredients.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;My biggest concern right now is how to get *all* consumers to check their drugs with the scratch-off labels&#039;

And where exactly are you having this &#039;challenge&#039;? I thought mPedigree had completed the pilot and was now advocating for implementation? You sound as if the service is actually available. Please let us have some clarity.

Van Der Meeren</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;My biggest concern right now is how to get *all* consumers to check their drugs with the scratch-off labels&#8217;</p>
<p>And where exactly are you having this &#8216;challenge&#8217;? I thought mPedigree had completed the pilot and was now advocating for implementation? You sound as if the service is actually available. Please let us have some clarity.</p>
<p>Van Der Meeren</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2: If the system were to have any merit then the codes would be unique, one-time codes. Using a code a second time would not work. 

Which leads to a the problem suggested by #4: a scammer buying a cheap legit medicine, and using the code from that to sell an expensive fake. Well, for a start the scammers costs have already gone up considerably, possibly making it not worthwhile. But if not, you could imagine the system match codes and medicine names, so the reply SMS contains the name of the drug that you supposedly bought. 

It will probably push the scammers higher up the ladder, though. Even to the point where they set up their own fake SMS-drug-authentication infrastructure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2: If the system were to have any merit then the codes would be unique, one-time codes. Using a code a second time would not work. </p>
<p>Which leads to a the problem suggested by #4: a scammer buying a cheap legit medicine, and using the code from that to sell an expensive fake. Well, for a start the scammers costs have already gone up considerably, possibly making it not worthwhile. But if not, you could imagine the system match codes and medicine names, so the reply SMS contains the name of the drug that you supposedly bought. </p>
<p>It will probably push the scammers higher up the ladder, though. Even to the point where they set up their own fake SMS-drug-authentication infrastructure.</p>
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		<title>By: theseandavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>theseandavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds cool. But, here where I&#039;m living in Uganda I&#039;ve never seen or heard of the thing before.

Sounds like a great system but I&#039;d like for them to penetrate the thing and get it known. Without knowledge of the system no one even knows that the possiblity exists over here to be buying fake drugs.

That last counterfit drug article had me forwarding it on to a hundred others in two seconds. This one sounds great but if its not implemented how do we get it into the country and running? And soon?

Given the number of cell phones and scratchy codes for airtime out here this system is pretty much instinctual in its ease of use. I love the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds cool. But, here where I&#8217;m living in Uganda I&#8217;ve never seen or heard of the thing before.</p>
<p>Sounds like a great system but I&#8217;d like for them to penetrate the thing and get it known. Without knowledge of the system no one even knows that the possiblity exists over here to be buying fake drugs.</p>
<p>That last counterfit drug article had me forwarding it on to a hundred others in two seconds. This one sounds great but if its not implemented how do we get it into the country and running? And soon?</p>
<p>Given the number of cell phones and scratchy codes for airtime out here this system is pretty much instinctual in its ease of use. I love the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: GuidoDavid</title>
		<link>http://boingboing.net/2009/06/09/service-helps-africa.html#comment-514715</link>
		<dc:creator>GuidoDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Am I to understand that these fake drugs are not cheaper &#039;generic&#039; or reverse-engineered equivalents or synthetics, but unrelated random ingredients?&quot;

No, these are FAKE drugs that KILL people and create resistance of the pathogen, as sometimes they have a lower concentration of the active substance. Indian companies are not part of Big Pharma, as I understand the term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Am I to understand that these fake drugs are not cheaper &#8216;generic&#8217; or reverse-engineered equivalents or synthetics, but unrelated random ingredients?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, these are FAKE drugs that KILL people and create resistance of the pathogen, as sometimes they have a lower concentration of the active substance. Indian companies are not part of Big Pharma, as I understand the term.</p>
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		<title>By: GuidoDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>GuidoDavid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;@#1: I agree that this is a clever mechanism, and likely will fill an important need; but how exactly is it &quot;bottom-up&quot;? &quot;

You need people in the field sending the codes, and you will need feedback from them once you discover the fake boxes. It is impractical to have an army of surveyors, specially in developing countries. Without distributed sampling this system cannot work for long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@#1: I agree that this is a clever mechanism, and likely will fill an important need; but how exactly is it &#8220;bottom-up&#8221;? &#8221;</p>
<p>You need people in the field sending the codes, and you will need feedback from them once you discover the fake boxes. It is impractical to have an army of surveyors, specially in developing countries. Without distributed sampling this system cannot work for long.</p>
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		<title>By: theseandavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>theseandavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 - I think the system has the end user in mind more than the distributors. All that has to work is the text - if it says ok, pay for the drug and be on your way. If it says its a fake, don&#039;t pay and get a new sample or go to a different store.

This all assumes that the whole thing is so widely used that companies are affixing fake labels though.... doesn&#039;t it? SOL otherwise. Maybe Im misunderstanding the concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 &#8211; I think the system has the end user in mind more than the distributors. All that has to work is the text &#8211; if it says ok, pay for the drug and be on your way. If it says its a fake, don&#8217;t pay and get a new sample or go to a different store.</p>
<p>This all assumes that the whole thing is so widely used that companies are affixing fake labels though&#8230;. doesn&#8217;t it? SOL otherwise. Maybe Im misunderstanding the concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ashifi Gogo here. Thanks for the comments - it&#039;s great to see new thoughts on the mobile phone anti-counterfeit method. Please keep in mind the fact that a similar scratch-off system has been in use by the phone companies for the last 10 years to sell top-up airtime on mobile phones for the numerous pay-as-you-go clients in developing nations. It&#039;s been working flawlessly for this billion dollar industry. I&#039;m applying a similar concept, but for drugs.

My biggest concern right now is how to get *all* consumers to check their drugs with the scratch-off labels, instead of just going &quot;oh, it has a scratch-off thingy, it must be genuine&quot;. If they don&#039;t actually scratch and text the code, counterfeiters will just put blank scratch-offs and consumers won&#039;t know they&#039;ve been duped.

If you have any more questions or ideas, kindly email me at ashifi@sproxil.com or DM me @ashifi on twitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ashifi Gogo here. Thanks for the comments &#8211; it&#8217;s great to see new thoughts on the mobile phone anti-counterfeit method. Please keep in mind the fact that a similar scratch-off system has been in use by the phone companies for the last 10 years to sell top-up airtime on mobile phones for the numerous pay-as-you-go clients in developing nations. It&#8217;s been working flawlessly for this billion dollar industry. I&#8217;m applying a similar concept, but for drugs.</p>
<p>My biggest concern right now is how to get *all* consumers to check their drugs with the scratch-off labels, instead of just going &#8220;oh, it has a scratch-off thingy, it must be genuine&#8221;. If they don&#8217;t actually scratch and text the code, counterfeiters will just put blank scratch-offs and consumers won&#8217;t know they&#8217;ve been duped.</p>
<p>If you have any more questions or ideas, kindly email me at <a href="mailto:ashifi@sproxil.com">ashifi@sproxil.com</a> or DM me @ashifi on twitter.</p>
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		<title>By: GuidoDavid</title>
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		<dc:creator>GuidoDavid</dc:creator>
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		<description>&quot;his all assumes that the whole thing is so widely used that companies are affixing fake labels though.... doesn&#039;t it? SOL otherwise. Maybe Im misunderstanding the concept.&quot;


 I am not sure I understand you. I am not a native English Speaker. And yes, I am assuming that the system relies more on end users than on distributors. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;his all assumes that the whole thing is so widely used that companies are affixing fake labels though&#8230;. doesn&#8217;t it? SOL otherwise. Maybe Im misunderstanding the concept.&#8221;</p>
<p> I am not sure I understand you. I am not a native English Speaker. And yes, I am assuming that the system relies more on end users than on distributors. </p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just adapt current measures used to defend currency.
Also implement life sentences for drug counterfeiters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just adapt current measures used to defend currency.<br />
Also implement life sentences for drug counterfeiters.</p>
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		<title>By: Takuan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Takuan</dc:creator>
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		<description>in that case, I have no objection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in that case, I have no objection.</p>
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