Comments on: Philly's Homegrown Saint http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html Brain candy for Happy Mutants Sat, 18 May 2013 09:19:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1 By: Joyuna http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523778 Joyuna Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523778 Saint, or <a href="http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=old+navy+mannequins&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=">Old Navy Mannequin</a>? Saint, or Old Navy Mannequin?

]]> By: Alex_M http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523789 Alex_M Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523789 They canonized John von Neumann? Seems appropriate given his contributions to physics and computers. They canonized John von Neumann?

Seems appropriate given his contributions to physics and computers.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524055 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524055 Here's the Catholic.com page for John Neumann: http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=70 Looks like he was a pretty impressive guy. Here’s the Catholic.com page for John Neumann:
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=70

Looks like he was a pretty impressive guy.

]]> By: EMJ http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523800 EMJ Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523800 haunting instruments of self mortification??? haunting instruments of self mortification???

]]> By: The Real Mary Sue http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523835 The Real Mary Sue Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523835 The thing they say mass on is an ALTAR. Not an altEr. The thing they say mass on is an ALTAR. Not an altEr.

]]> By: thatbob http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524091 thatbob Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524091 Am not a believer, but was raised in the Catholic flavor, so can help explain. Some Protestants (Jack Chick, for example) like to deride the Catholics for "worshipping" saints, relics, and Marian apparitions in pretty clear violation of the first amendment - I mean commandment - and there's enough history there to be a bit of a sore spot. But, to echo what Anonymous #8 says, Catholics don't consider "veneration" of these things to be on the same level as "adoration" due to the Trinity ie. 3 forms of God that they worship. So, a word to the Atlas editors: you can avoid offending some Catholic-flavored believers, and avoid perpetuating misinformation among the Protestant-flavored believers, with a word substitution: "Upon his canonization, Saint John Neumann was exhumed and placed on display for </i>veneration</i>." "Worship" is just kind of loaded. On the other hand, one could possibly refer to both veneration and adoration as "worship," and not be entirely wrong. So, whatevs. Cthulhu's going to eat us all up in the end. Am not a believer, but was raised in the Catholic flavor, so can help explain. Some Protestants (Jack Chick, for example) like to deride the Catholics for “worshipping” saints, relics, and Marian apparitions in pretty clear violation of the first amendment – I mean commandment – and there’s enough history there to be a bit of a sore spot.

But, to echo what Anonymous #8 says, Catholics don’t consider “veneration” of these things to be on the same level as “adoration” due to the Trinity ie. 3 forms of God that they worship. So, a word to the Atlas editors: you can avoid offending some Catholic-flavored believers, and avoid perpetuating misinformation among the Protestant-flavored believers, with a word substitution: “Upon his canonization, Saint John Neumann was exhumed and placed on display for veneration.” “Worship” is just kind of loaded.

On the other hand, one could possibly refer to both veneration and adoration as “worship,” and not be entirely wrong. So, whatevs. Cthulhu’s going to eat us all up in the end.

]]> By: Takuan http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524094 Takuan Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524094 yes, but some will be eaten last. yes, but some will be eaten last.

]]> By: wizardofplum http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524374 wizardofplum Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524374 #17 Anonymous-Curiouser and curiouser,P.Hoffman in his"O Vatican" New York 1984 and quoted by John Cornwell in his "Hitler'sPope"wrote"As the hearse passed outside St John Lateran,a series of dreadful farts and eructations was heard to issue from the coffin,a result,apparently, of rapid fermentation.During the lying-in-state in St.Peter's,the dead Pope's face turned grey-green and then purple,and the stench was so overpowering that one of the attendant guards fainted.A final indignity,his nose went black and fell off before interment".Wouldn't it be appropriate for His Nibs to invoke divine intervention at this stage?thus preserving the myth of infallibility #17 Anonymous-Curiouser and curiouser,P.Hoffman in
his”O Vatican” New York 1984 and quoted by John
Cornwell in his “Hitler’sPope”wrote”As the hearse
passed outside St John Lateran,a series of dreadful farts and eructations was heard to issue
from the coffin,a result,apparently, of rapid fermentation.During the lying-in-state in St.Peter’s,the dead Pope’s face turned grey-green
and then purple,and the stench was so overpowering
that one of the attendant guards fainted.A final
indignity,his nose went black and fell off before
interment”.Wouldn’t it be appropriate for His Nibs
to invoke divine intervention at this stage?thus
preserving the myth of infallibility

]]> By: Chrs http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523873 Chrs Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523873 @#4, definitely the patron saint of gray goo. @#4, definitely the patron saint of gray goo.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523877 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523877 "Upon his canonization, Saint John Neumann was exhumed and placed on display for worship." This is a misstatement; people don't worship saints. If you're convinced that people worship saints, you have misconceptions on the Catholic beliefs in prayer, intercession, miracles, & the afterlife. “Upon his canonization, Saint John Neumann was exhumed and placed on display for worship.”
This is a misstatement; people don’t worship saints. If you’re convinced that people worship saints, you have misconceptions on the Catholic beliefs in prayer, intercession, miracles, & the afterlife.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524143 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524143 "Remember when I said I'd kill you last, Solly?" “Remember when I said I’d kill you last, Solly?”

]]> By: Dillenger69 http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523890 Dillenger69 Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523890 Is that Saint Robbie Rotten or Saint Sportacus? I didn't know Lazytown was Catholic. Is that Saint Robbie Rotten or Saint Sportacus?
I didn’t know Lazytown was Catholic.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524146 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524146 why would anyone do this? exhuming a corpse, cutting it to pieces, using said peices in religious objects/items totaly makes me shudder, its morbid at best gross and tasteless at worst. why can they just let the poor body rest in piece 6 feet underground? or in a proper cememnatary? and no i do not mean to offend or inflame, apologies if i do, i just want to state the obvious that no one wants to mention. why would anyone do this? exhuming a corpse, cutting it to pieces, using said peices in religious objects/items totaly makes me shudder, its morbid at best gross and tasteless at worst. why can they just let the poor body rest in piece 6 feet underground? or in a proper cememnatary? and no i do not mean to offend or inflame, apologies if i do, i just want to state the obvious that no one wants to mention.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523897 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523897 Went to that high school. Hated every nanosecond of it. Went to that high school. Hated every nanosecond of it.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-612476 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-612476 The catholic church uses masks,chemicals,wax and other methods to preserve their saints.Type in most catholics saints in a search engine +wax and you have your answer. The orthodox Church is forbiden to preserve priests or monks bodies in any way.The incorruption is real and is not because of climate or conditions as some incorruption of bodies are a result of. Saint John of Shanghai's body was uncovered and the cloths had rotted and crumbled to dust upon touching, but the body remianed preserved by a miracle. you can look up the account on opening his tomb and see photos too. The catholic church uses masks,chemicals,wax and other methods to preserve their saints.Type in most catholics saints in a search engine +wax and you have your answer. The orthodox Church is forbiden to preserve priests or monks bodies in any way.The incorruption is real and is not because of climate or conditions as some incorruption of bodies are a result of. Saint John of Shanghai’s body was uncovered and the cloths had rotted and crumbled to dust upon touching, but the body remianed preserved by a miracle. you can look up the account on opening his tomb and see photos too.

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524177 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524177 seconding the comment about St. John Maximovitch in San Francisco - his body was not decomposed when exhumed and is on display without any embalming or mask or anything like that. Even his vestments were just like the day he was buried, although his coffin was covered with rust. It is a major pilgrimage site on the west coast; almost every living Orthodox convert in the US has some connection to St. John. IC XC NIKA ! seconding the comment about St. John Maximovitch in San Francisco – his body was not decomposed when exhumed and is on display without any embalming or mask or anything like that. Even his vestments were just like the day he was buried, although his coffin was covered with rust. It is a major pilgrimage site on the west coast; almost every living Orthodox convert in the US has some connection to St. John.

IC XC NIKA !

]]> By: wizardofplum http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524443 wizardofplum Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524443 I think that it is important to note that Eugenio Pacelli's embalmer was an eye specialist who had gained The Pope's trust.Galeazzi-Lisi opted to use a new method "leaving the intestines in place;in consequence,the corpse began to rot immediately in the Autumn heat"thus corrupting the uncorruptable? I think that it is important to note that Eugenio
Pacelli’s embalmer was an eye specialist who had
gained The Pope’s trust.Galeazzi-Lisi opted to use
a new method “leaving the intestines in place;in
consequence,the corpse began to rot immediately in
the Autumn heat”thus corrupting the uncorruptable?

]]> By: Anonymous http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-524008 Anonymous Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-524008 In San Francisco is the body of Saint John of Shanghai: http://www.sfsobor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75&Itemid=68&lang=ru In San Francisco is the body of Saint John of Shanghai: http://www.sfsobor.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75&Itemid=68&lang=ru

]]> By: ghostpoint http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523766 ghostpoint Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523766 This is in my neighborhood. Nuemann High is my polling station. Friends of mine who grew up around here tell me they remember when a flasher tried to target the high-school Catholic girls who instead of reacting with shock, chased down the offender, beat him up, and delivered him to the cops. At local festivals they bring out statues of Saints and cover them with robes of money, which makes for an odd photo. I just have a passing familiarity with all this- glad to learn more... This is in my neighborhood. Nuemann High is my polling station. Friends of mine who grew up around here tell me they remember when a flasher tried to target the high-school Catholic girls who instead of reacting with shock, chased down the offender, beat him up, and delivered him to the cops.
At local festivals they bring out statues of Saints and cover them with robes of money, which makes for an odd photo. I just have a passing familiarity with all this- glad to learn more…

]]> By: TJ S http://boingboing.net/2009/06/22/phillys-homegrown-sa.html#comment-523770 TJ S Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 #comment-523770 *shudder* That mask is resting uncomfortably in the uncanny valley, and it's freaking me out. *shudder*

That mask is resting uncomfortably in the uncanny valley, and it’s freaking me out.

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